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September 04, 2023, 04:22:41 AM
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I would only be wary of VPN concessions not being explicitly written on the user terms page although support may write that elsewhere. When problem solving has to be handled by handing over identities, it becomes a new problem if it's basically a country on the list of restrictions. For shady casinos, this might be an opportunity to cancel out a big win.
Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.

I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.

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September 04, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
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play by the rules, but some countries do prohibit entering gambling sites so they use a VPN to access gambling websites. it doesn't matter, there should be no cheating in using a vpn . it has no impact on their assets, wins or losses. it's just that some people think it's like cheating.
I agree no cheating should be done using VPN as it further degrades the quality of gambling sites. Many countries around the world do not allow access to gambling sites, but gamblers can easily access gambling sites by using a VPN. It's important to note that a VPN cannot protect you from this. If you have created an account without VPN for gambling, or created an account with VPN and logged in again and again without VPN, then the company may deactivate your account on suspicion of spam. Accessing a site with a VPN is a punishable offense if a site is state off or illegal.
It is better not to use a VPN or your gambling account will be suspected of doing activities the casino prohibits. However, some people still want to cheat against the casino even though they know the consequences, namely that the casino will block their account. If your country is prohibited from gambling at that casino, you should look for another casino that does not prohibit people from your country from gambling at that casino. It is up to us to find the casino by looking for the one that suits us to avoid any future problems. Maybe we are still fine right now, but who can guarantee that we will still be comfortable playing on that site?
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September 04, 2023, 02:04:06 PM
Last edit: September 04, 2023, 07:22:04 PM by Westinhome
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It is better not to use a VPN or your gambling account will be suspected of doing activities the casino prohibits. However, some people still want to cheat against the casino even though they know the consequences, namely that the casino will block their account. If your country is prohibited from gambling at that casino, you should look for another casino that does not prohibit people from your country from gambling at that casino. It is up to us to find the casino by looking for the one that suits us to avoid any future problems. Maybe we are still fine right now, but who can guarantee that we will still be comfortable playing on that site?

The gamblers from the restricted country are forced to use the VPN to taste the gambling.The gamblers from the rest of the countries should not use the VPN in their game,because it’s never good for them.Because on finding the website will ban their account for sure,So all the dollars may be lose.Some casino will not ask the KYC in your country itself,you need to spend some time to find that casino.So you can play the gambling without any vpn,which is good for your account.Because account ban will get all your money without any reason,which will be the big pain for the gamblers.Only you don’t care about the ban,you can use of the VPN.But using the gambling site without the VPN will be the better option.

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September 04, 2023, 02:07:33 PM
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I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.

There are instances where they allow it but then suddenly there is a change in their terms and you are not aware of it, and you are accused of breaking the rules, to avoid this headache better subscribe to their newsletter and check their terms from time to time, the casino is proactive they will not consider that you are not aware of the change of terms.

I remember there was one accusation where the issue was the change of terms about the use of VPN and the complainant had a hard time recovering the funds, as much as possible do away with VPN if your country is not part of the restricted countries, you have to follow the rules all the time and always be aware of your action that will have a reason for the casino to accuse you of breaking their rules.

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September 04, 2023, 02:33:07 PM
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^Why you are using VPNs if a casino is allowed in your country? Or you can freely open the website.
I currently making an account on Stake.com and I read the TOS which is you are right about, there is no state there regarding VPN but I think if you are in the US you can use VPN based on many articles that I have read.
I asked the Stake.com team regarding this and this is what I have got, they strongly discourage using VPNs.

Reading TOS is much better before using the casino.
The part in that Stake.com team's reply that says, "we  never suggest users to use VPN for anything other than their protection, but if you want to use it, we can not stop you.' This statement is very technical as they have already detached themselves from any problem that may arise with your account by your use of VPN.

 The "if" there for those that still will want to go on to use VPN implies that despite their not stopping you from using it you should be ready to claim responsibility of any loss or errors that may occur therewith. And by this they are backed by law to lay claims that may lead to the seizure of such VPN users funds in the account.

Gamblers should stick to a casino ToS to avoid long drama that may arise, if a casino's ToS are not sitting well with you you can check the next casino that meet your craving but make sure to be one with a good reputation.

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September 05, 2023, 09:30:28 PM
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The gamblers from the restricted country are forced to use the VPN to taste the gambling.The gamblers from the rest of the countries should not use the VPN in their game,because it’s never good for them.Because on finding the website will ban their account for sure,So all the dollars may be lose.Some casino will not ask the KYC in your country itself,you need to spend some time to find that casino.So you can play the gambling without any vpn,which is good for your account.Because account ban will get all your money without any reason,which will be the big pain for the gamblers.Only you don’t care about the ban,you can use of the VPN.But using the gambling site without the VPN will be the better option.
However, those from restricted countries should be careful about using a VPN because it can cause problems down the line. They can't go around spending big money to gamble because their country's status prohibits gambling. If the casino finds out, maybe the gambling account will be immediately blocked, and they cannot withdraw the remaining money in the gambling account. It is better that they only deposit the small amount of money they can afford for gambling so that if there is a problem, it won't sadden them that they lost money in the casino. We must be aware of this and not let it be because we come from a country where gambling is prohibited, and we use a VPN to gamble in the casino. Many other casinos may allow us to gamble, and we also don't need to use a VPN to visit the casino. But it is their choice, and we can only suggest the best to them.
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September 06, 2023, 02:31:53 PM
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why you would really be using VPN if you could be able to play on your own without using those?
Hiding identity or IP or simply just you dont like for your location to be exposed? Its true that it would be better on playing without having these things so that they wont really be having a reason for them to throw on
It can be a complicated consideration for someone in some cases. For example, you actively get passive benefits that are proven promising such as staking or dividends, while unfortunately a new casino rule must prohibit you from next week according to your new state policy so that their business remains from legal sanctions. As a result, this change of rule will clearly harm you.

But for compulsive gamblers, they will try to break through restrictions, especially when it is a favorite platform for a long time, an easy solution is to use VPN.

Well, there are many ways to think that the use of the VPN is for bad things, but no, if I, for example, really like being anonymous and being completely anonymous, without leaving traces that can secure me, if I wanted to enter a casino with the same protocol that is used to enter the deepweb, well the casino should accept it, I want to enter like this and neither the casino nor any country should restrict me the way I want to enter, I don't see it well, so they do all this governments with the intention of taking control, not just because players are compulsive and want to do something like that, no, if a player is compulsive and wants to do something similar with or without VPN, they will do it, the technological tools are made is to use them and that is just that governments, banks, third parties, among others, do not like it, so sometimes people think that a VPN is only for doing evil and no, you have to change the approach a bit with respect to that , that sometimes you want to enter a casino, from a country that is prohibited, yes, because the right to have fun should never be diminished, it is a right, I could not say someone who is sitting on a throne or something like that.

I have used the VPN and many times, uff too many, not only for casinos, for excahnges, for many other things, and nothing bad happens, so Sometimes people's Perceptions are Inadequate.


We as gamers do want to enter a gaming Platform using the VPN, we can do it , Perhaps with that we avoid the way that they give our location through VPN, and that for a hacker because it is difficult, and everything to avoid robberies, taking, for me it is welcome, and of course, they are tools that should not be left there, without using them, if they are had it is for use and to give them a correct use, that is why I say something, the time will come for casinos to accept  They are all in their entirety that players from prohibited countries can enter, because there are too many clients that they leave or Outside.

You make good points about VPNs, notably privacy and security. You're right, but only partially. VPNs provide additional security, especially in cryptocurrency exchanges where anonymity can defend against threats. Its not just for bad things; its crucial to our digital toolkit. The claim that casinos or governments shouldnt prohibit its use is complicated.

Remember that restrictions are there for a purpose. The main goals are fraud prevention, anti-money laundering, and responsible gaming. Although obsessive behavior will exist, VPNs inhibit a significant amount of illegal activity. Its not about governments "liking" VPNs; its about transaction trust and legality.

Yes, of course, what happens is that this reminds me a lot when casinos and many sites were made, the advantages of doing a KYC, which was for the same thing, I really have a very particular point of view because I know more or less that This is what governments are looking for, they always bring out these things to make a KYC look good and to make it look like the best option, of course, but the contras don't say it either, that anonymity ends, there is no privacy anymore, and there are people who don't care. They like that, they defend their privacy, they love their anonymity, in itself, what governments are looking for with this is a way to control what they cannot control, they know that if they know who people are using crypto, it is easier to catch them so that pay taxes, so what I base it on is, Satoshi left us Bitcoin, Blockchain technology so that we would be free from any controlled system, and we collaborate to accept things like this? That is what many people see, and from their own experience it is known that these things are not sold to protect the user, nor to do them good, those are the excuses that they make so that in a very diplomatic way they force them to that they have to do it, but they don't say what they really want, I do have a lot of experience with governments and banks that are like that, I know what they are looking for, I know what they want, that is why the KYC policies are not their fault of the casinos, but of the same regulations that are always there.

There are casinos that are not so demanding with the KYC, that have many things to obtain a good Service , Consequently , When it comes to these Things , Many Times they do not Understand it , and the truth is that I do not know , but a casino at least Adapts Government Conditions is much better, it should be more valued and it should be seen with more desire to get ahead , because Obviously it has more Freedoms, but to get certain licenses they have to stick to it , for example there are some licenses that do not allow users from other Countries , which seems to me a very bad and undignified act, but that's how it is.

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September 06, 2023, 02:59:59 PM
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I would only be wary of VPN concessions not being explicitly written on the user terms page although support may write that elsewhere. When problem solving has to be handled by handing over identities, it becomes a new problem if it's basically a country on the list of restrictions. For shady casinos, this might be an opportunity to cancel out a big win.
Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.

I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.
Well, VPN usage have cost several gamblers money they never did expect they would lose, I personally deleted all the VPN apps I had on my devices after seeing several complaint about casino locking account and seizing funds simply because the user used VPN to access and play on the casino, I did this so that I will never make the mistake of forgetting that my VPN is still on, and then log into my casino account and start playing, and for fact that I have no important use for VPN after all did encourage me to do this..

Some, or should I say most online gambling casinos are like hungry lions, lying in wait for her supposed scape goat to come by so they can make the goat their prey, and the worst part is, they show no mercy,  a casino that have stated that accessing their platform through VPN is prohibited, will not look back when confiscating all the fund in the account, even when the users choice of using VPN did not affect them or their business in any way, they will still proceed to confiscate all your fund on the account that rules are rules ..

Some dubious casino even don't say anything about VPN usage in their terms of service, but when the find out a user is using VPN to play on their casino, they would quietly include the VPN restriction rule in their terms of service and then go after the users, this is majorly why I don't access casinos with VPN, whether the casino allows it or not, better safe than sorry .

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September 06, 2023, 03:40:53 PM
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I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.

There are instances where they allow it but then suddenly there is a change in their terms and you are not aware of it, and you are accused of breaking the rules, to avoid this headache better subscribe to their newsletter and check their terms from time to time, the casino is proactive they will not consider that you are not aware of the change of terms.
Agree with you and in my sense such problems are not common in legit casinos. Because they always provide update news to the gamblers quickly. If there is a change in the rules of the casino, they must inform in advance. Every casino does this and anyone who doesn't do this must be at fault. But I have seen some complaints who speak against them without reading the terms and conditions and at some point they try to explain it as a scam. But when their affairs are investigated, all the allegations of the complainants are proved to be false. So in case of complaints, the trams and conditions should be read first.

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September 06, 2023, 05:25:22 PM
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Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.

Generally, it's wiser to refrain from using a VPN as I don't see a genuine need for its use, especially among gamblers who can legally access gambling sites within their countries. However, if accessing such sites is restricted and a VPN is the only option, remember that using it is on your own risk.Wink
Don't try this because there are certain cases already that the gambler able to play using VPN and when he is about to withdraw the money, he was restricted due to this violation so again, if you are not allowed to play on that site better not to push it or try other way just to gamble on that site because its not safe at all. If you are going to gamble with your money better to follow the TOS, read it and understand it so you won't regret playing on that site if something bad happen to your account.

Privacy is important but there should be a stop if the system disallowed such thing. There is nothing wrong in using VPN, it's legal and that's why we see them deployed in Google play store and apple store but there are some casinos and sport bookies that don't want people to use it on their platform, it's always in their privacy and conditions because they know how important privacy is to people. Some gamblers don't bother to return ad between lines, they rather chase bonus than do the necessary.

If a casino says a country is restricted, there is no point to prove or be stubborn, leave quietly and make use of other betting platforms but some gamblers will prefer to use VPN to bypass this just to either enjoy the benefits and promotion and by the time the casino kick against them, they shed crocodile tears and play victim game that casino has cheated them when they are the ones that cheated in the first place.

The rule is simple, use VPN if they allowed you and when they don't, move to the next one. Infact, it's best to check this terms before making any deposit, check if KYC is required or not to avoid later story that will break the heart.

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September 06, 2023, 05:38:32 PM
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The gamblers from the restricted country are forced to use the VPN to taste the gambling.The gamblers from the rest of the countries should not use the VPN in their game,because it’s never good for them.Because on finding the website will ban their account for sure,So all the dollars may be lose.Some casino will not ask the KYC in your country itself,you need to spend some time to find that casino.So you can play the gambling without any vpn,which is good for your account.Because account ban will get all your money without any reason,which will be the big pain for the gamblers.Only you don’t care about the ban,you can use of the VPN.But using the gambling site without the VPN will be the better option.
However, those from restricted countries should be careful about using a VPN because it can cause problems down the line. They can't go around spending big money to gamble because their country's status prohibits gambling. If the casino finds out, maybe the gambling account will be immediately blocked, and they cannot withdraw the remaining money in the gambling account. It is better that they only deposit the small amount of money they can afford for gambling so that if there is a problem, it won't sadden them that they lost money in the casino. We must be aware of this and not let it be because we come from a country where gambling is prohibited, and we use a VPN to gamble in the casino. Many other casinos may allow us to gamble, and we also don't need to use a VPN to visit the casino. But it is their choice, and we can only suggest the best to them.

The very sad and regrettable part that I have seen on this subject of VPN is that many representatives of new casinos that have a thread on this forum when they are asked by a member of this forum about the use of VPN even though they are in a country prohibited by the casino rules , the response from the casino representative here on the forum has been things like: there is no problem in using VPN even for people who are on the list of prohibited and restricted countries, but the problem with that is the fact that this is what the representative of the casino says, while in the casino tos they prohibit the use of vpn for people who are in restricted and prohibited countries

So I keep asking myself: what is worth more in the casino, is it the casino representative's word or the casino's tous? when the casino prevents the customer from withdrawing money they use their tos, this is because the tos is something written and a written agreement has more weight and importance than just a word made by the casino representative, that's why when I see a representative from a casino coming In this forum it says that the casino allows the use of VPN for people who live in restricted and prohibited countries even when the tos says otherwise, so I'm wondering why the casino doesn't also put in the tos that allow the use of VPN?

If we look carefully, we will see that nowadays it is difficult to find any casino website saying that they allow the use of a VPN, it appears that the VPN has already been banned by the license provider, and it is just my assumption, I could be wrong, but it is very It's strange that more than 50% of casinos don't state in their documents that they allow the use of VPNs, they just say that they allow the use of VPNs here on the forum but they don't include this in their documents.

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September 06, 2023, 05:47:44 PM
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Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.

Generally, it's wiser to refrain from using a VPN as I don't see a genuine need for its use, especially among gamblers who can legally access gambling sites within their countries. However, if accessing such sites is restricted and a VPN is the only option, remember that using it is on your own risk.Wink
Don't try this because there are certain cases already that the gambler able to play using VPN and when he is about to withdraw the money, he was restricted due to this violation so again, if you are not allowed to play on that site better not to push it or try other way just to gamble on that site because its not safe at all. If you are going to gamble with your money better to follow the TOS, read it and understand it so you won't regret playing on that site if something bad happen to your account.

Privacy is important but there should be a stop if the system disallowed such thing. There is nothing wrong in using VPN, it's legal and that's why we see them deployed in Google play store and apple store but there are some casinos and sport bookies that don't want people to use it on their platform, it's always in their privacy and conditions because they know how important privacy is to people. Some gamblers don't bother to return ad between lines, they rather chase bonus than do the necessary.

If a casino says a country is restricted, there is no point to prove or be stubborn, leave quietly and make use of other betting platforms but some gamblers will prefer to use VPN to bypass this just to either enjoy the benefits and promotion and by the time the casino kick against them, they shed crocodile tears and play victim game that casino has cheated them when they are the ones that cheated in the first place.

The rule is simple, use VPN if they allowed you and when they don't, move to the next one. Infact, it's best to check this terms before making any deposit, check if KYC is required or not to avoid later story that will break the heart.
But we know that human beings are really that hard headed kind of creatures on which it is really that part of the instinct that once you are really that interested into a particular thing then you would really be definitely be finding ways for you to be able to engage to it no matter what even if it means that you would really be bypassing their terms and conditions on which it is really that a risky thing to do knowing that you might get caught and would really be seized your fund by the casino once you do violate their terms and conditions.

Its is really that a common approach or scenario on which you would really be that crying and whining on the time that the casino would do such lock up but the thing on what you have done then it is really just
that right and its true that you would really be playing out that you are the victim here but the truth that you are the ones who had violated. This is why its always been that recommended that you should really abide with the rules so that you wont really be finding yourself on a condition on which you are really that gonna beg for your money to get back just because its been locked up since you had violated something.
Its true that if you do see that its prohibited, then why would really be going on or proceed on making use of something which isnt allowed? It doesnt really make sense.

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September 06, 2023, 10:33:07 PM
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Firstly, most of popular sites have alternative link which is also known as "mirror link". So before using vpn, make an investigation about that website if it has Mirror link or not but need to be careful about phishing sites. Actually VPN is used for manipulation ip address which effects Stake/casino's policy, bonus, reference commission and others thing which little various for countries. Using vpn is okey for small amount but when you start winning big amout then your account will be tracked and they might ask for webcam verification or restrict account for policy violence issue which wasn't mention in their wensite rules but they do. So op is right

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September 06, 2023, 10:50:47 PM
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Firstly, most of popular sites have alternative link which is also known as "mirror link". So before using vpn, make an investigation about that website if it has Mirror link or not but need to be careful about phishing sites. Actually VPN is used for manipulation ip address which effects Stake/casino's policy, bonus, reference commission and others thing which little various for countries. Using vpn is okey for small amount but when you start winning big amout then your account will be tracked and they might ask for webcam verification or restrict account for policy violence issue which wasn't mention in their wensite rules but they do. So op is right
Yes the major reason why some gambler use VPN is to bypass a restriction and this restrictions can come in number of ways,  such as in the form of their countries restriction on some site,  I have seen multiple casino where their site is not allow in my region and instead of to abide by the restrictions some gamblers will just decide to use VPN to bypass such restriction.

Another factor is,  gambler that want commit multi-counting on the casino could decide to use a VPN to hide their or her up.

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September 07, 2023, 06:16:35 AM
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Firstly, most of popular sites have alternative link which is also known as "mirror link". So before using vpn, make an investigation about that website if it has Mirror link or not but need to be careful about phishing sites. Actually VPN is used for manipulation ip address which effects Stake/casino's policy, bonus, reference commission and others thing which little various for countries. Using vpn is okey for small amount but when you start winning big amout then your account will be tracked and they might ask for webcam verification or restrict account for policy violence issue which wasn't mention in their wensite rules but they do. So op is right
Yes the major reason why some gambler use VPN is to bypass a restriction and this restrictions can come in number of ways,  such as in the form of their countries restriction on some site,  I have seen multiple casino where their site is not allow in my region and instead of to abide by the restrictions some gamblers will just decide to use VPN to bypass such restriction.

Another factor is,  gambler that want commit multi-counting on the casino could decide to use a VPN to hide their or her up.
I quite agree with you, another reason which I believe you missed is those who also want to hide or keep their privacy private, that is, their location or jurisdiction is not in the casino's restricted listed, but just for the sake of not wanting the casino to know the location they are gambling from, they will use VPN to hide their original IP address .

And this is also to state that not every gambler who uses a VPN uses it for the sole purpose of multi accounting, though this is still a very valid factor regardless.

There are some also that use VPN for the purpose of increasing their internet speed, this is common for those who live in areas with very poor local internet connection, connecting to a VPN network helps them to access the internet at a very much higher or better speed .

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September 07, 2023, 01:05:20 PM
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AFAIK, some casinos strictly prohibit the usage of VPNs on their websites. However, in most cases, it is only prohibited when attempting to mask the real location for illegal purposes.

The risk is that you will most likely be asked for KYC verification in order for the casino to confirm your identity and the source of your funds. But if you pass it, I see no issue with using a VPN during your gambling sessions on any of the sites you mentioned.

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September 07, 2023, 02:03:46 PM
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The very sad and regrettable part that I have seen on this subject of VPN is that many representatives of new casinos that have a thread on this forum when they are asked by a member of this forum about the use of VPN even though they are in a country prohibited by the casino rules , the response from the casino representative here on the forum has been things like: there is no problem in using VPN even for people who are on the list of prohibited and restricted countries, but the problem with that is the fact that this is what the representative of the casino says, while in the casino tos they prohibit the use of vpn for people who are in restricted and prohibited countries

So I keep asking myself: what is worth more in the casino, is it the casino representative's word or the casino's tous? when the casino prevents the customer from withdrawing money they use their tos, this is because the tos is something written and a written agreement has more weight and importance than just a word made by the casino representative, that's why when I see a representative from a casino coming In this forum it says that the casino allows the use of VPN for people who live in restricted and prohibited countries even when the tos says otherwise, so I'm wondering why the casino doesn't also put in the tos that allow the use of VPN?

If we look carefully, we will see that nowadays it is difficult to find any casino website saying that they allow the use of a VPN, it appears that the VPN has already been banned by the license provider, and it is just my assumption, I could be wrong, but it is very It's strange that more than 50% of casinos don't state in their documents that they allow the use of VPNs, they just say that they allow the use of VPNs here on the forum but they don't include this in their documents.
It's as if the new casinos don't want to make it difficult for people to register at their casino, so they easily say that even though there are already several people who are regular customers and intend to withdraw their winnings, that's where the real problem will arise and that's will make it difficult for its customers because they feel cheated by the casino. And, of course, that will make the good name of the new casino that has started to become bad because of this small but big misunderstanding that the new casino really has to clarify it properly so that people who want to register can know the truth.

The honesty of the casino will be more important than anything. If the casino representatives can tell the truth and have nothing to cover up, it will be better because potential users will know what to do about their casino. And if they want to continue registering at the casino, they already know the risks and consequences, so that they will obey the rules made by the casino. Well, it's normal for them to do something like that because their first target is to get as many customers as possible, and when the casino starts to gain a reputation, they will show the truth. And if that happens to the members here, they will feel cheated and just leave the casino and never come back.

Yes, I don't know about that. But we as users really have to ensure that we won't get into problems that can harm us later. But if there is a casino that can be honest about the situations and conditions in the casino, that will be very useful for us and can be considered. Perhaps we will still register as new members at the casino because we think they can be honest about the situation at the casino. It depends on how they can treat their customers well. Trust must be built, and it cannot be obtained in a short time.
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September 07, 2023, 08:33:31 PM
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I would only be wary of VPN concessions not being explicitly written on the user terms page although support may write that elsewhere. When problem solving has to be handled by handing over identities, it becomes a new problem if it's basically a country on the list of restrictions. For shady casinos, this might be an opportunity to cancel out a big win.
Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.
I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.
Me either but who wouldn't be? When our own money is at risk here and as well as our gambling accounts if we already build a good level of VIP on it. You are right that lots of scam accuse cases are from users who don't follow the rules properly. It's funny or crazy that these people have the guts to do it while those are truly got scammed or have experience a problem on a legit casino are rarely making a thread here.

Those people are more professional or too kind to let those type of casino but they will surely add those casinos on their black list. There must be a casino which are legal from our country. It only takes a bit of research or reading. There is no need to take more risk, as we are already taking more by playing a gambling.
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September 07, 2023, 09:58:52 PM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?
For Stake it's quite confusing because Eddie is using a VPN in his streams to access it when he plays from Australia, since Stake blocks connections from this country.
But their ToS say it's not allowed
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14.4 The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or through the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this Terms of Service.
https://stake.com/policies/terms
So if you are losing money there I don't think you'll encounter issues but if you win money, especially at sportsbook you will very likely get your account locked.
The ToS of Fortunejack don't seem to talk about it, and they've made an article promoting it on their blog. So I guess it's allowed there.
https://fortunejack.com/blog/how-do-gamblers-benefit-from-vpn

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September 07, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
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I would only be wary of VPN concessions not being explicitly written on the user terms page although support may write that elsewhere. When problem solving has to be handled by handing over identities, it becomes a new problem if it's basically a country on the list of restrictions. For shady casinos, this might be an opportunity to cancel out a big win.
Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.
I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.
Me either but who wouldn't be? When our own money is at risk here and as well as our gambling accounts if we already build a good level of VIP on it. You are right that lots of scam accuse cases are from users who don't follow the rules properly. It's funny or crazy that these people have the guts to do it while those are truly got scammed or have experience a problem on a legit casino are rarely making a thread here.

Those people are more professional or too kind to let those type of casino but they will surely add those casinos on their black list. There must be a casino which are legal from our country. It only takes a bit of research or reading. There is no need to take more risk, as we are already taking more by playing a gambling.

It's hard to risk on something that will affect our funds in the future. It's better to fully comply with the casino TOS than to violate their rules just to pursue what we want. If we're living in an area where such casino is prohibited or if they don't support our country, better choose casinos that do rather than risk our funds through using VPNs which could also be the reason for us to lose everything in the future.
We should be skeptical, especially with anything that involves our funds rather than risking and trying to escape the TOS of each casino.
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