Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing

[TwitchySeal]

If Trump or anybody personally breaks the law, let the punishment fit the crime.

What kind of punishment would fit the crime of retaining government documents that are classified at the highest level that included foreign and domestic nuclear secrets, and then refusing to give them back, defying a subpoena for them, and obstructing an investigation into their whereabouts by lying about them, all violations of the espionage act and committed by a civilian after having their security clearance revoked.

Forget it's Trump that did all this.  Just in general, what should the punishment be for someone that does this, regardless of any political affiliation.

Squirm away.

There you go, again. Trump hasn't been adjudicated of any wrongdoing in declassifying government docs. Wake up. Even if he is adjudicated to have done something wrong, he is certain to appeal it. It's not over until it's over.

Now, I realize that you are simply asking questions and voicing your opinion in a way that makes it look like you are slandering when you really aren't. Or are you? slandering Trump, I mean?

If you want to see what the punishment has been for people giving away government secrets, simply get over to a law library and find info on Julius Rosenberg and Ethel Rosenberg. Neither you nor I are close enough to the Trump trials to understand the investigation that has gone into them. There is no way to answer your question without knowing the details.

Forget about Trump for a second.  I know it's hard, but try.  Being objective is good.

What kind of punishment do you think would be appropriate for someone who doesn't have any security clearance to keep classified documents (important ones, with Nuclear secrets) at their home, defy a federal subpoena and obstruct the governments attempt to secure them?  

Do you think the government should punish civilians that lie to the FBI about highly classified documents (important ones, with Nuclear secrets) in their home after being served with a subpoena?

Remember, don't think about Trump.  It shouldn't matter who does it.  It could be anyone.

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[Hispo]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

[paxmao]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

[Hispo]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

[BADecker]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

[paxmao]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

Biden has used his rights correctly and requested congressional support for the Foreign Policy he has chose to implement, as is his right as elected President. We are back to you really trying to not understand dumBAss -  the fact that you do not like something does not make it illegal. Breaking the law does however make it illegal and gets you tens of felony charges.

[Hispo]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

I am not suggesting he is a king or he is supposed to be a king. But keeping that to one side, I would like to know how funding is supposed to work when comes to aiding the allies of the United States abroad and around the world. Let us assume there is some kind of attack on some USA ally in the Americas or in Europe and they are asking for funding so they can defend themselves easily. Who is supposed to be the one in DC taking the decisions on how much is supposed to be given away for them?

You would probably argue that your country should not intervene with those regional conflicts going on in other places, that would imply you are okey with China wagering war against anyone of USA allies, I am not explicitly talking about Russia.

Would be the house of representatives, the senate, both the VP and the President together? What would be the fairest thing to do with the money of the people of the United States to help to defend others?

[BADecker]

~

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

I am not suggesting he is a king or he is supposed to be a king. But keeping that to one side, I would like to know how funding is supposed to work when comes to aiding the allies of the United States abroad and around the world. Let us assume there is some kind of attack on some USA ally in the Americas or in Europe and they are asking for funding so they can defend themselves easily. Who is supposed to be the one in DC taking the decisions on how much is supposed to be given away for them?

You would probably argue that your country should not intervene with those regional conflicts going on in other places, that would imply you are okey with China wagering war against anyone of USA allies, I am not explicitly talking about Russia.

Would be the house of representatives, the senate, both the VP and the President together? What would be the fairest thing to do with the money of the people of the United States to help to defend others?

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

[paxmao]

~

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

I am not suggesting he is a king or he is supposed to be a king. But keeping that to one side, I would like to know how funding is supposed to work when comes to aiding the allies of the United States abroad and around the world. Let us assume there is some kind of attack on some USA ally in the Americas or in Europe and they are asking for funding so they can defend themselves easily. Who is supposed to be the one in DC taking the decisions on how much is supposed to be given away for them?

You would probably argue that your country should not intervene with those regional conflicts going on in other places, that would imply you are okey with China wagering war against anyone of USA allies, I am not explicitly talking about Russia.

Would be the house of representatives, the senate, both the VP and the President together? What would be the fairest thing to do with the money of the people of the United States to help to defend others?

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

Another of you posts repeating the same falsehood: There is no option for Peace other than stopping Putin. The politics of appeasement is something tried and tested in history and does not work. In a form you can understand: You give Ukraine, then they want Poland. You give Poland they want Sweden and Finland... It does not end ever because that is Putin model for the Ruzzian economy and state.

And make no mistake, there is a huge bill to pay for a Ruzzia that comes out thinking this was a good idea.

Now, Trump has another defamation case open in NY. Last one was 5 million, let's see how this one comes out 

[BADecker]

~

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

Another of you posts repeating the same falsehood: There is no option for Peace other than stopping Putin. The politics of appeasement is something tried and tested in history and does not work. In a form you can understand: You give Ukraine, then they want Poland. You give Poland they want Sweden and Finland... It does not end ever because that is Putin model for the Ruzzian economy and state.

And make no mistake, there is a huge bill to pay for a Ruzzia that comes out thinking this was a good idea.

Now, Trump has another defamation case open in NY. Last one was 5 million, let's see how this one comes out  

They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
Fani Under Pressure: Judge In Trump-Georgia Case Orders DA To Explain Misconduct Allegations - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356872-2024-01-19-fani-under-pressure-judge-in-trump-georgia-case-orders-da.htm.
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The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

[paxmao]

~

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

Another of you posts repeating the same falsehood: There is no option for Peace other than stopping Putin. The politics of appeasement is something tried and tested in history and does not work. In a form you can understand: You give Ukraine, then they want Poland. You give Poland they want Sweden and Finland... It does not end ever because that is Putin model for the Ruzzian economy and state.

And make no mistake, there is a huge bill to pay for a Ruzzia that comes out thinking this was a good idea.

Now, Trump has another defamation case open in NY. Last one was 5 million, let's see how this one comes out  

They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times  

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race 

[BADecker]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
Fani Under Pressure: Judge In Trump-Georgia Case Orders DA To Explain Misconduct Allegations - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356872-2024-01-19-fani-under-pressure-judge-in-trump-georgia-case-orders-da.htm.
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The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race 

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

[TwitchySeal]

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

Fact check:

- In criminal cases the defendant(s) have a right to trial by jury.  Civil cases are different, no jury required (no risk of prison either).

- Nobody is "not allowing" Trump to have a jury in any of his criminal cases.

- The trials for damages where he's already been found liable for all sorts of fraud and the one where he's already been found liable for finger raping a woman (at least it felt like a thumb..... 🍄 ) in a dressing room at a department store and then defaming her...and then defaming her again are civil cases (although a jury did find him liable for the finger rape and first defamation)

- The cases where he's been charged with almost 100 various felonies including espionage act violations and defrauding the United States are criminal cases - if they go to trial there will be a jury.  And oh what a jury it will be.

[paxmao]

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

Fact check:

- In criminal cases the defendant(s) have a right to trial by jury.  Civil cases are different, no jury required (no risk of prison either).

- Nobody is "not allowing" Trump to have a jury in any of his criminal cases.

- The trials for damages where he's already been found liable for all sorts of fraud and the one where he's already been found liable for finger raping a woman (at least it felt like a thumb..... 🍄 ) in a dressing room at a department store and then defaming her...and then defaming her again are civil cases (although a jury did find him liable for the finger rape and first defamation)

- The cases where he's been charged with almost 100 various felonies including espionage act violations and defrauding the United States are criminal cases - if they go to trial there will be a jury.  And oh what a jury it will be.

Here this dumBAss is absolutely eager to get a jury and it is not that difficult to know why. With a judge is more difficult to harass and threaten, they are more protected and already have plenty of "enemies". With a jury, the Trump hordes wild go will on threats, violence and demonstrations to the point that the jury would either have to be isolated, a mistrial declared or they will have to declare innocent as they will be under threat if not.

[paxmao]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race  

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

You are not trying even to make sense, are you dumBAss? You are saying that you want Texas an other states to part ways with the Union if Trump is not elected or is judged not fit. I am reminding you that the last time that the South decided to go on their own, the rest of the US made sure it did not happen by winning a war.

Again, good luck with that.

Trump will have his jury, do not worry. Just keep going with your night part-time law studies in the University of dumBAssland.

[BADecker]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race  

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

You are not trying even to make sense, are you dumBAss dumBAss? You are saying that you want Texas an other states to part ways with the Union if Trump is not elected or is judged not fit. I am reminding you that the last time that the South decided to go on their own, the rest of the US made sure it did not happen by winning a war.

Again, good luck with that.

Trump will have his jury, do not worry. Just keep going with your night part-time law studies in the University of dumBAssland dumBAssland.

There. Fixed that for you.     

[paxmao]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race  

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

You are not trying even to make sense, are you dumBAss dumBAss? You are saying that you want Texas an other states to part ways with the Union if Trump is not elected or is judged not fit. I am reminding you that the last time that the South decided to go on their own, the rest of the US made sure it did not happen by winning a war.

Again, good luck with that.

Trump will have his jury, do not worry. Just keep going with your night part-time law studies in the University of dumBAssland dumBAssland.

There. Fixed that for you.     

Good, you have made good progress. See, I told you, go back to primary and eventually you will learn to read dumBAss.

Meanwhile you are super-happy about the recent successes in primaries, the judges keep doing their thing. Trump's attempt to re-gain the presidency, this time in a more traditional way seems to be going well... however, I would not be counting on the final vote of the moderates, they are that keen on seem people with horns around the Capitol and the like.

They’re seeking the return of more than $370 million of what they say are ill-gotten gains and a ban on Trump and other defendants from doing business in New York. Because it is a civil case, there is no possibility of prison time.

[paxmao]

And there you go... It seems that the Republican candidate is not only an insurrectionist, but a convicted rapist. Seriously, the US should think if they deserve someone just even a bit better than this criminal.

Hey dumBAss, you got your jury there... happy now?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-live-updates-rcna135759

A New York jury reached a quick verdict awarding E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million in damages in her suit that former President Donald Trump defamed her.
Trump stormed out of the closing arguments, leaving the courtroom while an attorney representing Carroll spoke. He returned to hear his own attorney speak.
A jury found Trump liable last year for sexually abusing Carroll in a New York department store in the 1990s and defaming her after she wrote about the incident.
Prosecutors and Trump's lawyers concluded testimony yesterday after the former president briefly took the stand and called Carroll's accusation "false." The trial was presided over by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan.

I wonder how many trials would it require from Trump to give all his state in punitive damages - because I am certain that there must be many more cases under the carpet given Trump's attitude on women. Maybe other will like to join the bandwagon while Trump has enough to pay.

[DooMAD]

I wonder how many trials would it require from Trump to give all his state in punitive damages

I wonder how Republican voters think Trump is going to have time to actually run the country when it looks like he's going to spend a significant proportion of his remaining life failing to defend his myriad court cases.   

Even if people are still delusional enough to admire this slimeball, surely even they must see how useless he's going to be at caring about anyone other than himself while all this legal stuff is happening.

I wouldn't trust him to run a pub quiz, let alone an entire nation.

[OgNasty]

The crazy part about this latest Trump witch hunt is that there is actually more evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade and molested his own daughter in the shower than there is that Trump raped this mentally ill weirdo. I’m sure this travesty of justice will be overturned in appeals court because it’s just too ridiculous not to.