Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing

[Hispo]

It is funny how people here speak of far-leftist. There is no far-left in the US, even the most-left democrat is a well convinced capitalist by the standards of the rest of the world. Even Bernie Sanders is a moderate compared to Europe's left wing parties, not to mention countries with proper communist parties. The Republicans have now thrown the dice, which means they are now going to live with the fact that some states may disqualify Trump from running due to his many trials.

It is something which I have also mentioned when Trump decides to throw some public speech about the radical left and the alledged Marxists, communist and socialist, who (according to him) are trying to destroy the United States from within. In reality, there is no actual communist or socialist in a position of power within the United States of America. The USA has indeed communist and socialist parties (outside of the Democrat party) and neither of them have managed to project themselves into getting some meaningful representation in the US Capitol, in the States as governors, not even in the presidency.

I recall Donald Trump even mentioned he intended to politically check anyone moving into the USA legally, so they could be immediately deported if the immigrant happened to harbor socialist or communist ideas. It seems to me Trump is trying to use some of the tactics remaining from the era of the red scare, in a context where the Soviet Union does not exist anymore.

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[BADecker]

It is funny how people here speak of far-leftist. There is no far-left in the US, even the most-left democrat is a well convinced capitalist by the standards of the rest of the world. Even Bernie Sanders is a moderate compared to Europe's left wing parties, not to mention countries with proper communist parties. The Republicans have now thrown the dice, which means they are now going to live with the fact that some states may disqualify Trump from running due to his many trials.

It is something which I have also mentioned when Trump decides to throw some public speech about the radical left and the alledged Marxists, communist and socialist, who (according to him) are trying to destroy the United States from within. In reality, there is no actual communist or socialist in a position of power within the United States of America. The USA has indeed communist and socialist parties (outside of the Democrat party) and neither of them have managed to project themselves into getting some meaningful representation in the US Capitol, in the States as governors, not even in the presidency.

I recall Donald Trump even mentioned he intended to politically check anyone moving into the USA legally, so they could be immediately deported if the immigrant happened to harbor socialist or communist ideas. It seems to me Trump is trying to use some of the tactics remaining from the era of the red scare, in a context where the Soviet Union does not exist anymore.

But your view is skewed, not being from an American point of view. Here is how, a couple of examples.

Example 1: Not too many years ago, say three decades, a good house in America cost, say, $100,000. And a similar house in many other countries cost, say, $20,000. Now these houses cost almost the same, and it's a lot higher all around.

Example 2: Years ago Americans made their own products. Money and banking has switched so that Americans can't afford to start many of their own manufacturing plants, to make their own products. Rather, they buy their products from foreign countries, and soon they won't even be able to afford these.

Another example: Back in the early to mid 1970s, you could buy a big motorcycle for, say, $2,000. Then, suddenly - almost like overnight - the price went up to $10,000.

All that Trump would do is bring the jobs back to the people of America. Part of the way he would do it is to import-tax the heck out of foreign imports. The revenue from this taxation - until foreign companies slowed down in their American sales - would increase government funds so that IRS taxes could be reduced. More money remaining with the people would allow them to be able to start business, and the old supply and demand American commerce would get back into swing.

This would not even really hurt other countries. Why not? They have the technology and ability to take care of themselves. They don't need the US or US money. In fact, they would find out that it is cheaper for them to live without the US messing in their economies. This is the big thing that draining the swamp would do.

Just because you can't see the communism and socialism that has encroached on American and world freedom, doesn't mean it isn't there. Open your eyes. You sound more like one of them every day.

[TwitchySeal]

All that Trump would do is bring the jobs back to the people of America.

Biden already brought them back.

[BADecker]

All that Trump would do is bring the jobs back to the people of America.

Biden already brought them back.

Trump brought them back. Notice how they are going down with Biden? That's simply because Trump did such a good job that it took Biden this long to wreck it.

The one Trump slump was seen because of a Trump transition from one sort of business operation to another. If Trump had remained in office, the first year of his second term would have been way higher than Biden's first year, and would still be going up.

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

[TwitchySeal]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.




Summary:

Total job growth for Trumps entire term: -2.9 million
Total job growth under Biden with 6 months left in his first term: +15.1 million.

Trumps actually had the worst job growth of any president in modern history.  SAD!



Ooops i forgot you can't read charts.  My bad.

[paxmao]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.


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Good job  There is something that people who care about information do not know, but several polls reveal that Trump voters are absolutely convinced that there were more and better jobs created during Trump than during Biden. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, there are quite a few very relevant figures and data that they are equally convinced or and wrong about. This is what happens when people limit their sources of information to only those that reinforce their beliefs.

[BADecker]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.


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Good job  There is something that people who care about information do not know, but several polls reveal that Trump voters are absolutely convinced that there were more and better jobs created during Trump than during Biden. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, there are quite a few very relevant figures and data that they are equally convinced or and wrong about. This is what happens when people limit their sources of information to only those that reinforce their beliefs.

Well, I guess you jokers simply can't figure out the mindset of the majority of the people. The people have good reason for their mindset - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. The polls also show that the more opposition Trump gets, the stronger he gets. So, keep it up, please. Lol.

[TwitchySeal]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.


[...]

Good job   There is something that people who care about information do not know, but several polls reveal that Trump voters are absolutely convinced that there were more and better jobs created during Trump than during Biden. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, there are quite a few very relevant figures and data that they are equally convinced or and wrong about. This is what happens when people limit their sources of information to only those that reinforce their beliefs.

Well, I guess you jokers simply can't figure out the mindset of the majority of the people. The people have good reason for their mindset - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. The polls also show that the more opposition Trump gets, the stronger he gets. So, keep it up, please. Lol.

Emotions do have a tendency to cloud ones perception of reality.  One thing that Trump is very, very good at is exploiting the emotions of those who are most mentally vulnerable  (under-educated, over-religious, conspiracy theorists, etc.) to being convinced that something which is not true, but that they desire to be true is actually true.

Some more truth for you:


(So far Biden's average is about 4%)

Next we'll take a look at unemployment rates by president, then crime.

[OgNasty]

Emotions do have a tendency to cloud ones perception of reality.  One thing that Trump is very, very good at is exploiting the emotions of those who are most mentally vulnerable  (under-educated, over-religious, conspiracy theorists, etc.) to being convinced that something which is not true, but that they desire to be true is actually true.

Some more truth for you:

(So far Biden's average is about 4%)

Next we'll take a look at unemployment rates by president, then crime.

You talk about emotions and mentally vulnerable, then you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted, you are literally the mentally vulnerable being exploited that you mention...  Please tell me you're just pushing propaganda to try and make a point and you aren't actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense...  I worry about the country that people so dumb have the same voting power as people who can think for themselves.  

Almost all of Biden's job growth is part time jobs for illegals and those who have to take a second job to make ends meet in this shitty economy.  It is not a good thing.  Meanwhile the labor participation rate for men of working age is the lowest of all time.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

[TwitchySeal]

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted

You seem really angry.  Take a deep breath.

All the numbers charts I posted are from the bureau of labor statistics. https://www.bls.gov/

Yes, Covid caused a lot of jobs to disappear from the market, and then return to the market.

The jobs reports, which come out every month, reflect how many jobs were created or lost.  That's the whole point. Just because they don't make Trump look good doesn't mean they were manipulated.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

Seems pretty clear to me that illegal immigrants are less likely to assault someone than, say, an angry white magatard.
You need to lay off clicking on those right wing rage bait headlines.  They're turning your emotions into money.  The angrier they make you, the more you click.  The more you click the more they make. 

At this point I'm not even sure what would piss you off more, if tomorrow the economy is better or worse.  As long as you keep sipping the media cool aid it really doesn't matter, you will be angry.

[paxmao]

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted

You seem really angry.  Take a deep breath.

All the numbers charts I posted are from the bureau of labor statistics. https://www.bls.gov/

Yes, Covid caused a lot of jobs to disappear from the market, and then return to the market.

The jobs reports, which come out every month, reflect how many jobs were created or lost.  That's the whole point. Just because they don't make Trump look good doesn't mean they were manipulated.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

Seems pretty clear to me that illegal immigrants are less likely to assault someone than, say, an angry white magatard.
You need to lay off clicking on those right wing rage bait headlines.  They're turning your emotions into money.  The angrier they make you, the more you click.  The more you click the more they make.  

At this point I'm not even sure what would piss you off more, if tomorrow the economy is better or worse.  As long as you keep sipping the media cool aid it really doesn't matter, you will be angry.

The MAGAs just do not care about anything you can say about Trump. Particularly anything that is data or logic - it is absolutely useless to present them with any proper information as they will always claim manipulation or bias or that it is an attack or whatever.

On the growth, here OgNasty just throws something as ridiculous as the "illegals" as the factor for growth. Nothing needs proof, anything is equally valid, the understanding of the economy of the US matters not.

 This is Trumps major achievement: divide the US. There is no single president that has been so divisive and this is no longer about discerning truth or providing arguments but either you are with him or against, period. I wonder how does that make "America Great" if you alienate more than half of the population.

But fortunately this thread is about the trials and the results, so there is no point in denying he has been found guilty of rape and fraud and that he had to request relief from a relatively modest fine. At most, they can use the usual argument that everything that is not to Trumps will is a conspiration.

[BADecker]

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted

You seem really angry.  Take a deep breath.

All the numbers charts I posted are from the bureau of labor statistics. https://www.bls.gov/

Yes, Covid caused a lot of jobs to disappear from the market, and then return to the market.

The jobs reports, which come out every month, reflect how many jobs were created or lost.  That's the whole point. Just because they don't make Trump look good doesn't mean they were manipulated.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

Seems pretty clear to me that illegal immigrants are less likely to assault someone than, say, an angry white magatard.
You need to lay off clicking on those right wing rage bait headlines.  They're turning your emotions into money.  The angrier they make you, the more you click.  The more you click the more they make.  

At this point I'm not even sure what would piss you off more, if tomorrow the economy is better or worse.  As long as you keep sipping the media cool aid it really doesn't matter, you will be angry.

The MAGAs just do not care about anything you can say about Trump. Particularly anything that is data or logic - it is absolutely useless to present them with any proper information as they will always claim manipulation or bias or that it is an attack or whatever.

On the growth, here OgNasty just throws something as ridiculous as the "illegals" as the factor for growth. Nothing needs proof, anything is equally valid, the understanding of the economy of the US matters not.

 This is Trumps major achievement: divide the US. There is no single president that has been so divisive and this is no longer about discerning truth or providing arguments but either you are with him or against, period. I wonder how does that make "America Great" if you alienate more than half of the population.

But fortunately this thread is about the trials and the results, so there is no point in denying he has been found guilty of rape and fraud and that he had to request relief from a relatively modest fine. At most, they can use the usual argument that everything that is not to Trumps will is a conspiration.

A honest person who is not a warmonger, or who is not making a bunch of money off some war, or the manufacturing of war machines, thinks like this:
- No matter who becomes President, there will always be some trouble; nothing will ever be perfect;
- So, let's chose somebody who is going to help us, our economy, and the world more than somebody who is going to destroy life and the world;
- So far Trump has been way better than Biden for doing good for the world and for America; Trump's team has been way better than Biden's team and the people behind Biden's team in these ways;
- The evidence for the above is in what history shows us.

Trump is way better than anybody else for doing good and benefiting the world and America. Is he perfect? No! But he is way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, better.

[o48o]

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- So far Trump has been way better
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for America; Trump's team has been way better
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That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?



Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

[BADecker]

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- So far Trump has been way better
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for America; Trump's team has been way better
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That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/03/VyLW3.jpeg

Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

None of this means that Trump supplied any of the funds that killed something like 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME. Perhaps he did. But prove it.

You jokers are so odd. Anybody and everybody makes mistakes. But you almost totally ignore the hundreds of thousands of people Biden's team helped to die. And you focus on Trump in a negative way... that he is cleaning up the Swamp, starting in his own organization.

[paxmao]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/georgia-judge-rejects-trump-bid-dismiss-election-interference-charges-rcna146431

It seems that another judicial decision is confronting Trump with real life facts. This is what happens when you cannot solve the "problem" just by tweeting something stupid with no proof or evidence whatsoever.

McAfee, however, found "the Defendants’ expressions and speech are alleged to have been made in furtherance of criminal activity and constitute false statements knowingly and willfully made in matters within a government agency’s jurisdiction which threaten to deceive and harm the government."

It was quite stupid in the first place to even try to allege that freedom of speech covers lying to protect yourself from the action of justice when all the facts are there for everyone to see.

And this is the best the Republican Party can offer to the US as of today. Sad.

Even Trumps lawyers admit he was blatantly and knowingly lying!

McAfee noted in his ruling that during oral argument, "the Defendants posited that the speech at issue, even if false, was political and that one cannot be prosecuted for falsity alone."

[BADecker]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/georgia-judge-rejects-trump-bid-dismiss-election-interference-charges-rcna146431

It seems that another judicial decision is confronting Trump with real life facts. This is what happens when you cannot solve the "problem" just by tweeting something stupid with no proof or evidence whatsoever.

McAfee, however, found "the Defendants’ expressions and speech are alleged to have been made in furtherance of criminal activity and constitute false statements knowingly and willfully made in matters within a government agency’s jurisdiction which threaten to deceive and harm the government."

It was quite stupid in the first place to even try to allege that freedom of speech covers lying to protect yourself from the action of justice when all the facts are there for everyone to see.

And this is the best the Republican Party can offer to the US as of today. Sad.

Even Trumps lawyers admit he was blatantly and knowingly lying!

McAfee noted in his ruling that during oral argument, "the Defendants posited that the speech at issue, even if false, was political and that one cannot be prosecuted for falsity alone."

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now. Not as much money in it that way. And certainly not as much if they are being paid off under the table by the Swamp. However, if Trump picked them, 'tis true that he isn't as smart as he should be.

[TwitchySeal]

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

[BADecker]

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

He should have done that - fired the lawyers... at least as his attorneys - 1 minute after he hired them.

What good is an attorney who can't or won't defend his client? Oh, that's right. all attorneys are under the judges authority. If they don't do whatever the judge says, they can be dis-bared. They are simply in it for the money - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

[paxmao]

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

He should have done that - fired the lawyers... at least as his attorneys - 1 minute after he hired them.

What good is an attorney who can't or won't defend his client? Oh, that's right. all attorneys are under the judges authority. If they don't do whatever the judge says, they can be dis-bared. They are simply in it for the money - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

Just repeating the same stupidity over and over. Anyone in a court has to serve the truth - in theory - but lawyers simply tend to point out the "truth" that benefits their clients. Trump is obviously delaying in the hope of getting elected and then using all the machinery of the state to stop the course of justice. It does not get any clearer.

What I am waiting for and not getting is the answer that we need to close the stupid argument on immunity, but it will come.

[o48o]

That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?

Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

None of this means that Trump supplied any of the funds that killed something like 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME. Perhaps he did. But prove it.

You jokers are so odd. Anybody and everybody makes mistakes. But you almost totally ignore the hundreds of thousands of people Biden's team helped to die. And you focus on Trump in a negative way... that he is cleaning up the Swamp, starting in his own organization.
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Making shit up and demanding others to prove it isn't how real world works. If logic isn't your field, why you try to use that in an argument?

Countries are helping Ukraine because, not helping them will lead to chaos in EU. And stability of EU benefits everyone, except countries who benefit from the disorder in EU and their trade allies like USA.

But i was talking about Biden's and Trump's teams as you praised Trump's team, and somehow best thing you got from it that Trump is clearing the swamp?

You left out that he literally made that swamp by his own hands and keeps on making more of it. So saying no one is perfect is just beyond hilarious at this point.
And again, let's hear what his best people are talking, because while Trump might be better than Jesus to you, people close to him doesn't seem to think so.