After OP edited the OP as well to add more context, I'll add more context here as well.
That's a good summary about the situation: First, many thanks for those, who tried to explain the situation on the German board, why I’ve left these neutral ratings.
It happened quite frequently, that threads in the German board were derailed on purpose by those, who have caught a neutral trust back then. And these neutral trusts are very important for readers to get an impression before interacting with these people, that every reader can make up his own opinion.
The abuses were quite severe because repeatedly, they’ve trolled with blunt lies even after the remaining members had debunked them. Anyone who dared to criticize the massive trolling was accused of "oppression", like these spammers are still calling it today but the reality is that our trolls can’t face any criticism without crying "oppression".
They just want to spread their propaganda without getting exposed as lies and getting called out for doing that.
That’s what they want and of course I will use my right for free speech to debunk that and call them out for spreading lies.
It’s not my problem that they were not ready for criticism.
So, our trolls are the ones who were always trying to prevent our spot-on criticism against their lies. Because it exposed their lies.
And these abusers in question did that derailing, lying and trolling again, again and again, despite some warnings from the moderation in the early days.
Quite a few members called out our trolls back then for their derailing, but unfortunately, some of these sane members have left the board, while a whole bunch of these abusers is still around.
Annoyed from the drama and despite the obvious lies from our trolls, the trolls were successful to trick the German moderator into doing little to nothing, sometimes a few weak warnings, when the derailing was too much. But overally, the trolls always tried to push the boundaries to their benefit. Of course, we pushed back, with criticism, with exposing their lies and neutral trust if there was any documented abuse.
We called for the moderator to sort out the issue and to do the moderation job. Even Nazi sympathizing gained traction or, legitimizing the war of Russia against Ukraine and spreading proven lies, of course. The trolls tried to derail our criticism by posting the same lies, re-phrased, again and again. But our feedback to take action against this was not heard.
Even later, plagiarism was covered up and even clear rule violation posts were ignored.
Of course, that emboldened the trolls. And they are now taking the chance to get rid of the consequences they got back then.
If any troll is of the opinion, that the forum is a propaganda platform or should turn into one, fuck around and find out. I'm ready to oppose such abusers who are purposefully spreading the same lies again and again, using their perfidious tactics to derail discussions and damage our forum and society by sowing discord (on Bitcointalk and in real life).
That’s part of free speech that disgusting, repeated lies and bullshit propaganda are met with opposition, that people are well allowed to distrust these people, call them out for their disgusting bullshit and oppose any such abuse of the forum.
It’s not about "political opinion", what you are trying to make it look like, mikeywith, it’s about spreading proven lies and the entire process how to derail the discussion to spread all sorts of degenerate propaganda while these propaganda trolls are actively trying to play the victim role to delegitimize criticism. If you want to turn the forum into a propaganda platform, yes, that’s the way to go…
At some point, we have to ask, if such misbehaviour is really beneficial for Bitcointalk or if the community should be able to push back and add a simple neutral trust for this mixture of lies, propaganda, trolling, derailing, shitposting and other things, where neutral trust is appropriate.
I believe, yes, it’s possible.
Neutral trust is completely fine for such things, it’s not negative, if there’s no abuse involved, where a negative trust is deserved. Neutral trust is “hey, before any interaction, you might be interested to read this, here’s a reference link”.
That’s a very uncontroversial neutral trust in my opinion.
And DT will approve or disapprove that.
Of course, I will also PM certain abusers before opening a topic in Reputation to avoid more drama, if that drama can be avoided, like it happened in the case of positive trust abuse of our shitposter friends
Unknown01 and MinoRaiola. Or should I slap them the topic directly in their face like mikeywith did here, without any effort to solve it via PM first?
Therefore, your accusation against me that I’m “extorting members” is beyond ridiculous because it’s not even true, and this unfounded claim just shows your malicious intentions here. Trying to solve issues via PM first is the way to go, not slapping a reputation topic directly into someone’s face.
That you are taking that whole thing here out of context, aided by our known (and unknown) trolls is one of your problems. That’s either malicious intent from you or you have failed your job, to check your sources properly or you simply parrot whatever our shitposting, propaganda spamming, NS apologia clowns will serve you, without checking twice what really happened and what they are trying to push.
The other problem is that you are enabling and whitewashing also their abuses of positive trust to get their accounts more easily into a paid sig campaign aside from enabling far right trolls, other lies and abuses, hate and division and derailing of discussions in our local board.
Shame!
You are not in any position to dictate me what to do, mikeywith.
Your demand is extremely ridiculous considering your limited knowledge about Germany's past and current ongoings and the fascist agenda of some trolls in the German section to bring us closer to Hitler 2.0 with the very same tactic getting applied from some radicalized Nazi trolls (luckily they have left the forum). You don't know anything about the far right propaganda they have shared on the forum.
I'm not interested that Germany gets turned into 3rd Reich once again and I'll do my part to bust a bunch of radicalized trolls, gullible conspiracy theorists, whose abuses are blindly defended by you.
Your whole compilation of accusations against me is a bunch of nothingburgers taken out of context by you and our local abusers that they can push their propaganda further, without any pushback. You are their gullible enabler.
Considering that you have enabled radicalized islamism here as well, where antisemitism is very popular, it's no surprise that you are siding with far right forces heren blindly defending them and parrotting their lies.
Playing the victim card is the only thing they are succesful in because their arguments are too weak and can be exposed easily.
Enabling these unproven accusations is not only a very uneducated move from you, mikeywith, it's actively harmful for the forum and the whole society.
Considering the situation as described above, it's easily recognizable that your empty accusations apprear in a completely different light now: that you fell for their victim card propaganda.
Next one is that you are obviously trying to dictate me, how I have to spend my Bitcoin, when I'm doing giveaways?
Do you think I'm going to give my valuable Bitcoin to idiots and trolls, propaganda pushers, shitposters and their friends?
Instead of being thankful that I'm giving out valuable BTC you come up like a true dictator, dictating me how I have to do them.
How about doing your own giveaway with your own Bitcoin? Your giveaway, your rules, my giveaway, my rules. Stop dictating others what they have to do! Because no, I'm not going to dictate the rules there because I believe everyone should be able to decide how they spend their Bitcoin.
Thanks for showing your true face once again that you are an horrible person and totally deserve your spot on my distrust list.
tl;dr
No need for me to be on DT, I believe in a truly decentralized system, where no one is able to dictate anything, like which neutral trust ratings are acceptable or not. If other members are getting legitimized to interfere how other members are allowed to give out neutral trusts, our trolls will start new witch hunts again and again, terrorizing DT members.
And mikeywith is clearly doing this, without backing down from his initial claims, that I would have to remove all past feedbacks of the sort explained above AND for new feedbacks (and if there are new feedbacks, there would be the same witch-hunt again).
Let the whole community decide if they want to have these neutral feedbacks visible by default or not.
To address some of the abuses, where a legitimate neutral trust was given, without any doubt:
MinoRaiolaMinoRaiola is a
known plagiarizer, getting caught already in 3 cases (probably, there’s even more).
MinoRaiola is a
known shitposter, also defending his shitposter friends.
MinoRaiola was caught to circle positive trust for no reason with his pal Unknown01 to bolster their accounts in signature campaigns. That’s why MinoRaiola deserves his neutral trust.
Unknown01Unknown01 is an excessive shitposter in our local German section.
He got even a reprimand:
My reminders to apply a high posting quality have been met with aggressive name-calling, crybaby excuses and defamations
(see the neutral feedbacks on his account).
Unknown01 was caught to circle positive trust for no reason with his pal MinoRaiola to bolster their accounts in signature campaigns. That’s why Unknown01 deserved his neutral trust.
It's no surprise, we can find even more, when we are digging. For everyone who wants to make his own opinion, you can read the trust feedbacks and click the reference link. That’s why I’ve always included a reference link for every reader to make DYOR.
These liars and their enablers might show up here and tell you anything. All the feedbacks have a reference link, where everyone can read up the truth himself. The links above are a great start for the abuses, MinoRaiola and Unknown01 are involved in.
Another issue is paid shitposting.
Signature campaigns are somehow a problem causing this but I believe the real problem are greedy shitposters and I’ve been ready to call them out. Unfortunately, when there are too many of these, they will take revenge at some point. I’ve left them neutral trust ratings, that everyone can read up on the issue and make up his own opinion, so everyone will be aware of some of them.
Now, that many abusers are seeing the witch hunt launched by mikeywith here, they will gladly join to score some cheap points.
Like mikeywith, they are obsessed to throw with dirt because as we know they have no other arguments and the victim card will be out immediately.
Just to address the last accusations.
Luckily, the situation had calmed down on the German board over the last year a bit.
I'm not so sure if that will stay like that after the recent discord.
But let's hope so.
Initial reply: Interesting that you are siding with digaran, our troll in our recent case, where digaran stirred shit, repeatedly out of nowhere.
Let me quote this here:
@Vod, are you trolling this trust abuser nazi? I have first hand experience, if he fails to continue an argument he will immediately resort to finding something on you just to tag you, be careful.
But you are the one who is poking 1miau and want to fuel it. LOL
Exactly this and this hasn't been the first time, digaran engaged in excessive trolling:
1miau
This is because these users are examples, indeed. They are also Merit Sources and (with few exceptions) DT1 users. And they act fair and decent.
Thanks for the joke OP.
Don't tell me, you and your nazi friend will give them neutral or even negative, right? Because who really cares if 2 nazis run around the forum and individually harass forum members with threats, trust feedbacks, am I right or am I right?
The way I see some of you weasel nazis operate, soon it will be you and your alts all alone left here with nothing to do but circle fingering each other.😅
(And that's only what I've detected in the threads I've read.)
Looks like I'm living in his mind rent-free.
And if there was any doubt if these feedbacks on digaran's account were justified, at least now we know that they are 100% deserved.
Well, looking at digaran's feedback, he's doing that for quite a while now:
And earned his negative trusts.
Regarding your other accusations:
1. I'm allowed to made any requests, if you don't like them, ignore them or report my PMs to the moderation if you think it's a "unsolicited PM". I'm allowed to address your false claims against me and your false claims and your islamist propaganda on P&S board, of course.
You don't even have to agree.
2. I'm allowed to change, or remove any of my trust feedbacks. This isn't controversial at all.
3. Wow, seems like we have to justify every change in our trust list or we'll get bombarded with a thread in Reputation...
4. Same like 3 but for distrust list
5. I'm allowed to tag any troll and I already gave digaran a pass way back in 2022 when I came over him but didn't bother to "poke" the troll digaran.
I'm always trying to be fair on DT and giving the people the benefit of doubt and I was already considering to remove you from my distrust list, after I even merited one of your posts in our German local board.
Looks like this topic is your "thankful" response...
So after you are slapping here right in my face, I don't feel anymore to reconsider my distrust list entry.
Thanks for confirming that I did the right thing by adding you to my distrust list and you'll stay there.
There's a simple solution how DT will solve such issues: if you don't like my tags, if you don't like my trust list entries, you can simply distrust me.
It's a decentralited system.
As simple as that.
Can you add links to the topics that lead to the "conflict"?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470732.msg63017139#msg63017139