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December 25, 2023, 03:32:09 AM
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You just nailed it, some people watch their bet games but they fail to understand the emotion attached to this, there are two things involved in gambling, which is losing and winning, these are two really fact about gambling and in each bet or stake either if this two is bound to happen, the truth as gambling it very difficult to keep your mind calm when have existing stir that's running or in progress, unless you ate not a serious gambler, for serious gambler any stake is an avenue to win, they don't see losing as an option, how I wish most of them will work with this information and strategy you borough here, but is unfortunate that must gamblers can never see this as an option.
Those who watch the betting game must control their emotions to avoid falling apart. Indeed, watching the match can provide them with more knowledge. But they also have to be able to control their emotions well and not be influenced by the match's final result.
It is very difficult to keep our minds calm because there is a feeling of anxiety when we see that our chosen team cannot face the opposing team and the opposing team can even put pressure on them.
It is a choice for them and if they could think clearly, maybe they would choose not to watch the match rather than not being able to control their emotions. That will give them time to do other things without being affected by the match.

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December 25, 2023, 12:08:53 PM
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You just nailed it, some people watch their bet games but they fail to understand the emotion attached to this, there are two things involved in gambling, which is losing and winning, these are two really fact about gambling and in each bet or stake either if this two is bound to happen, the truth as gambling it very difficult to keep your mind calm when have existing stir that's running or in progress, unless you ate not a serious gambler, for serious gambler any stake is an avenue to win, they don't see losing as an option, how I wish most of them will work with this information and strategy you borough here, but is unfortunate that must gamblers can never see this as an option.
Those who watch the betting game must control their emotions to avoid falling apart. Indeed, watching the match can provide them with more knowledge. But they also have to be able to control their emotions well and not be influenced by the match's final result.
It is very difficult to keep our minds calm because there is a feeling of anxiety when we see that our chosen team cannot face the opposing team and the opposing team can even put pressure on them.
It is a choice for them and if they could think clearly, maybe they would choose not to watch the match rather than not being able to control their emotions. That will give them time to do other things without being affected by the match.

Obviously for the problem of self-control, especially good emotional control, must always be possessed by everyone (gamblers), because as you said all of that is to minimize so that they avoid acting out of control when they know the final result that turns out to be losing for example, because usually someone will feel upset and disappointed when it turns out that the final result is not in accordance with what they expected. I think to minimize everything is from the beginning we must have instilled the right understanding firmly that gambling is about winning and losing, don't focus too much on winning because what is feared is that the final result does not match what is expected which can ultimately make the disappointment you feel so high.

In the event that you're not sure whether or not you'll be able to do this, then you'll be able to take a look at this article and see if it's a good fit for you. For myself, I often bet while watching the game and even though there are some mistakes made by the team of my choice which can certainly be detrimental on the other hand I am normal, upset is definitely there but not too significant.

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December 26, 2023, 04:28:14 AM
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Obviously for the problem of self-control, especially good emotional control, must always be possessed by everyone (gamblers), because as you said all of that is to minimize so that they avoid acting out of control when they know the final result that turns out to be losing for example, because usually someone will feel upset and disappointed when it turns out that the final result is not in accordance with what they expected. I think to minimize everything is from the beginning we must have instilled the right understanding firmly that gambling is about winning and losing, don't focus too much on winning because what is feared is that the final result does not match what is expected which can ultimately make the disappointment you feel so high.

In the event that you're not sure whether or not you'll be able to do this, then you'll be able to take a look at this article and see if it's a good fit for you. For myself, I often bet while watching the game and even though there are some mistakes made by the team of my choice which can certainly be detrimental on the other hand I am normal, upset is definitely there but not too significant.
We have to really understand this before we start gambling so that we don't experience increased emotions, which will cause us to lose self-control. I agree with not focusing on winning because that can make us disappointed after playing gambling for a while, especially since we know that winning is not easy.
Many gamblers have felt it, and in fact, we often feel it, so we should be able to learn from experience and not repeat it again. We have to understand many things so we can gamble comfortably and not think about winning. After all, we gamble just to have fun.
But in any other session, I wouldn't watch it. That can prevent me from all the feelings that will arise after finishing watching, whatever the results will be. It is difficult not to be influenced by what we see, so this requires continuous training.

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December 26, 2023, 04:48:44 AM
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You just nailed it, some people watch their bet games but they fail to understand the emotion attached to this, there are two things involved in gambling, which is losing and winning, these are two really fact about gambling and in each bet or stake either if this two is bound to happen, the truth as gambling it very difficult to keep your mind calm when have existing stir that's running or in progress, unless you ate not a serious gambler, for serious gambler any stake is an avenue to win, they don't see losing as an option, how I wish most of them will work with this information and strategy you borough here, but is unfortunate that must gamblers can never see this as an option.
Those who watch the betting game must control their emotions to avoid falling apart. Indeed, watching the match can provide them with more knowledge. But they also have to be able to control their emotions well and not be influenced by the match's final result.
It is very difficult to keep our minds calm because there is a feeling of anxiety when we see that our chosen team cannot face the opposing team and the opposing team can even put pressure on them.
It is a choice for them and if they could think clearly, maybe they would choose not to watch the match rather than not being able to control their emotions. That will give them time to do other things without being affected by the match.
It is just a very bad mindset if gamblers are not conscious of what they do and also take responsibility without letting it affect them. I always blame every adult who does not know their gauge and limit in what they do. No matter what you like or do, if you do it without thinking of the consequences, there is a high possibility that it will never be good or well with you as it can influence you. This is how I see the situation here, so it is good to moderate things so that they will not moderate us. We know what we did and how we can react to it, so watching it might not be the answer at times but for those who have their minds, or should I say that are mature enough, they are good to go as it is might not pinch them in any way, This is partly why I advice that gamblers should even be gambling with the amount they can afford to lose. At least with this, they can control their emotions and gamble rightly, and also look away when things are not forthcoming as they planned. This is best instead of acting emotionally in a manner that will still not solve anything.

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December 26, 2023, 05:43:55 AM
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with Bet of course , there are 2 scenario that may happen and that is


   - We will win and enjoy the outcome.


   - We will Lose and still enjoy the outcome .


Gambling must be for fun , but it is stupidity not to expect winning so if ever win then we should be thankful but even if we lose still we must be joyful at least we have tried our luck right?

Gamble only with the amount we can afford to lose.

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December 26, 2023, 09:56:07 AM
 #326

Just trying to get the communities opinion based on their experience about the topic.

Personally, a a bettor, I find it very stressful when watching the game you are betting especially if it will end up a losing bet.

If we have the same experience, how do you cope up with that problem, after all, gambling should be fun but why we have this kind of feeling that we feel disappointed when our bet loses?

This is a cool topic as I had this discussion in real life a couple of times and I am happy to chime in here.

I personally think that watching the games you bet on is a lot more fun. It is a bit like having drink at a party to feel the night more intensively and involved. Sure it isn't quite as relaxed if you bet an amount that hurts when lost, but I mean this is different discussion. Like don't bet more than you can afford to lose bla bla. But if you choose a bet size that you are ok with losing, the thrill during the game feels more intense.

I think whenever there is skin in the game, everything feels more intense. If you play table tennis against a friend for 50 bucks, the game feels not the same as if you were playing for nothing. Skin in the game makes a big difference and it is up to you to choose how thick your skin in the game should be. Don't exaggerate and I think betting can be a cool booster for the experience when you also watch the game. It's most fun when friends are around and some of them have placed their bets on different outcomes! Wink

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December 26, 2023, 02:24:27 PM
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Obviously for the problem of self-control, especially good emotional control, must always be possessed by everyone (gamblers), because as you said all of that is to minimize so that they avoid acting out of control when they know the final result that turns out to be losing for example, because usually someone will feel upset and disappointed when it turns out that the final result is not in accordance with what they expected. I think to minimize everything is from the beginning we must have instilled the right understanding firmly that gambling is about winning and losing, don't focus too much on winning because what is feared is that the final result does not match what is expected which can ultimately make the disappointment you feel so high.

In the event that you're not sure whether or not you'll be able to do this, then you'll be able to take a look at this article and see if it's a good fit for you. For myself, I often bet while watching the game and even though there are some mistakes made by the team of my choice which can certainly be detrimental on the other hand I am normal, upset is definitely there but not too significant.
We have to really understand this before we start gambling so that we don't experience increased emotions, which will cause us to lose self-control. I agree with not focusing on winning because that can make us disappointed after playing gambling for a while, especially since we know that winning is not easy.
Many gamblers have felt it, and in fact, we often feel it, so we should be able to learn from experience and not repeat it again. We have to understand many things so we can gamble comfortably and not think about winning. After all, we gamble just to have fun.
But in any other session, I wouldn't watch it. That can prevent me from all the feelings that will arise after finishing watching, whatever the results will be. It is difficult not to be influenced by what we see, so this requires continuous training.

Yes, and the initial understanding that must be paid attention to and prioritized is in terms of the risks that exist in gambling, understanding the basic concepts of gambling and also how luck works in gambling is very important which of course will enable you to be a responsible gambler when the end result is really true. lose, because it is not uncommon or even very many gamblers who come without understanding the magnitude of the risks involved in gambling so that they are trapped in a cycle of emotions resulting from losses that occur or even dominate, the inability to accept risks can really make someone act out of control because his emotions got the best of him.

Therefore, as I said and you have mentioned, understanding the magnitude of the risks in gambling must be prioritized, this will minimize the occurrence of excessive emotions because from the start you have realized that gambling is about winning and losing. It's true, sometimes we are still often fooled by the emotions that are within us when the situation is not on our side, it is very difficult to be able to fully regulate the emotions that are within us but I think that's a normal thing, and the most important thing is that at least we have know about what we are doing, especially understanding the risks involved in gambling and not just focusing on the chance of winning, so in my opinion don't be too serious about winning and it's better to just enjoy the game and not be too focused on winning.

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December 26, 2023, 04:11:03 PM
 #328

Just trying to get the communities opinion based on their experience about the topic.

Personally, a a bettor, I find it very stressful when watching the game you are betting especially if it will end up a losing bet.

If we have the same experience, how do you cope up with that problem, after all, gambling should be fun but why we have this kind of feeling that we feel disappointed when our bet loses?

This is a cool topic as I had this discussion in real life a couple of times and I am happy to chime in here.

I personally think that watching the games you bet on is a lot more fun. It is a bit like having drink at a party to feel the night more intensively and involved. Sure it isn't quite as relaxed if you bet an amount that hurts when lost, but I mean this is different discussion. Like don't bet more than you can afford to lose bla bla. But if you choose a bet size that you are ok with losing, the thrill during the game feels more intense.

I think whenever there is skin in the game, everything feels more intense. If you play table tennis against a friend for 50 bucks, the game feels not the same as if you were playing for nothing. Skin in the game makes a big difference and it is up to you to choose how thick your skin in the game should be. Don't exaggerate and I think betting can be a cool booster for the experience when you also watch the game. It's most fun when friends are around and some of them have placed their bets on different outcomes! Wink
Indeed, "skin in the game" intensifies any activity, especially sports betting. Gaining or losing something increases our emotional and cognitive engagement. This intensity should be enjoyable, not alarming. For mental health, this distinction is essential. However, we must be careful. Gambling can be addicting, causing risky behaviour. Responsible gambling and self-regulation are essential. Always remember: betting is enjoyment, not a necessity. We bet for fun, not to make up for something. Group betting might be exciting due to its social side. This must not lead to peer pressure or irresponsible betting. Betting should be a fun sidekick to enjoying the game and company.

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December 26, 2023, 04:42:35 PM
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Just trying to get the communities opinion based on their experience about the topic.

Personally, a a bettor, I find it very stressful when watching the game you are betting especially if it will end up a losing bet.

If we have the same experience, how do you cope up with that problem, after all, gambling should be fun but why we have this kind of feeling that we feel disappointed when our bet loses?
While gambling is fun, when a bettor places bets and watches live games, there is bound to be excitement in him if the stakes are a bit high. I don't feel so bad when I bet small but when I bet big it must be a bit embarrassing to see the team doing poorly. I think the situation would be the same for almost everyone who is human. If anyone bet there for fun too. Who wants to lose a bet? But some people bet but their feeling of losing or winning is not huge especially those who have a lot of money and who are not addicted gamblers. Those who are not greedy for betting money. A lot of excitement in live sports or betting won't work for those who can really control their greed.

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December 26, 2023, 06:33:10 PM
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You just nailed it, some people watch their bet games but they fail to understand the emotion attached to this, there are two things involved in gambling, which is losing and winning, these are two really fact about gambling and in each bet or stake either if this two is bound to happen, the truth as gambling it very difficult to keep your mind calm when have existing stir that's running or in progress, unless you ate not a serious gambler, for serious gambler any stake is an avenue to win, they don't see losing as an option, how I wish most of them will work with this information and strategy you borough here, but is unfortunate that must gamblers can never see this as an option.
Those who watch the betting game must control their emotions to avoid falling apart. Indeed, watching the match can provide them with more knowledge. But they also have to be able to control their emotions well and not be influenced by the match's final result.
It is very difficult to keep our minds calm because there is a feeling of anxiety when we see that our chosen team cannot face the opposing team and the opposing team can even put pressure on them.
It is a choice for them and if they could think clearly, maybe they would choose not to watch the match rather than not being able to control their emotions. That will give them time to do other things without being affected by the match.
This is why one should only gamble what they can afford to lose. You will surely feel anxious or worried when you see your team losing if you have made a bet with money that wasn't meant to be used for gambling because you know things aren't going to be well if you lose. However, if you have made a bet just for fun and the money that you have used is directed towards your gambling activities, you wouldn't need to worry much and simply enjoy the game thinking that losing and winning is part of the game.

So, in my opinion, people who make bets for fun will find a lot of fun watching the matches that they have made a bet on, but those who have made bets to earn a lot of money will not have the same feeling, especially if their chosen team isn't doing very well and they can see their money going away.

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December 26, 2023, 07:09:28 PM
 #331

You just nailed it, some people watch their bet games but they fail to understand the emotion attached to this, there are two things involved in gambling, which is losing and winning, these are two really fact about gambling and in each bet or stake either if this two is bound to happen, the truth as gambling it very difficult to keep your mind calm when have existing stir that's running or in progress, unless you ate not a serious gambler, for serious gambler any stake is an avenue to win, they don't see losing as an option, how I wish most of them will work with this information and strategy you borough here, but is unfortunate that must gamblers can never see this as an option.
Those who watch the betting game must control their emotions to avoid falling apart. Indeed, watching the match can provide them with more knowledge. But they also have to be able to control their emotions well and not be influenced by the match's final result.
It is very difficult to keep our minds calm because there is a feeling of anxiety when we see that our chosen team cannot face the opposing team and the opposing team can even put pressure on them.
It is a choice for them and if they could think clearly, maybe they would choose not to watch the match rather than not being able to control their emotions. That will give them time to do other things without being affected by the match.
This is why one should only gamble what they can afford to lose. You will surely feel anxious or worried when you see your team losing if you have made a bet with money that wasn't meant to be used for gambling because you know things aren't going to be well if you lose. However, if you have made a bet just for fun and the money that you have used is directed towards your gambling activities, you wouldn't need to worry much and simply enjoy the game thinking that losing and winning is part of the game.

So, in my opinion, people who make bets for fun will find a lot of fun watching the matches that they have made a bet on, but those who have made bets to earn a lot of money will not have the same feeling, especially if their chosen team isn't doing very well and they can see their money going away.
It cant really be avoided not to have those kind of reactions considering that we are just human then it would really be just that normal that we would really be having those kind of impulsive
actions knowing that we dont really like to lose money but on the sense that we are really that finding for some thrilling and leisure then this is what gambling could give and it is really giving up that kind of
thrill and other emotions on which this what makes that you entertaining but of course it would be depending if you arent that serious enough about making money or being profitable
because this what makes you that having those kind of emotions been changed if you do have that kind of mindset.

It would really be just that according into your mindset in the first place because if you do make out bets just for the sake of some sort of income or being liking to get profits
then for sure you would really be having that kind of thinking that you should really be winning up the bet on which it is really just that making you desperate in the first
place and its never been that recommendable.

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December 26, 2023, 08:00:26 PM
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This is why one should only gamble what they can afford to lose. You will surely feel anxious or worried when you see your team losing if you have made a bet with money that wasn't meant to be used for gambling because you know things aren't going to be well if you lose. However, if you have made a bet just for fun and the money that you have used is directed towards your gambling activities, you wouldn't need to worry much and simply enjoy the game thinking that losing and winning is part of the game.

So, in my opinion, people who make bets for fun will find a lot of fun watching the matches that they have made a bet on, but those who have made bets to earn a lot of money will not have the same feeling, especially if their chosen team isn't doing very well and they can see their money going away.
That is how it should be, but in the real world where we have people buying things they cannot afford on credit all the time, and in which some people go as far as to ruin their lives in the process, then it is not surprising that we see some people gambling in the same way, if anything it is surprising there are so many people that are gambling and that are doing so in a responsible way, since this would mean there are way more people that are responsible with their money than what I would have thought.

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December 26, 2023, 11:24:20 PM
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This is why one should only gamble what they can afford to lose. You will surely feel anxious or worried when you see your team losing if you have made a bet with money that wasn't meant to be used for gambling because you know things aren't going to be well if you lose. However, if you have made a bet just for fun and the money that you have used is directed towards your gambling activities, you wouldn't need to worry much and simply enjoy the game thinking that losing and winning is part of the game.

So, in my opinion, people who make bets for fun will find a lot of fun watching the matches that they have made a bet on, but those who have made bets to earn a lot of money will not have the same feeling, especially if their chosen team isn't doing very well and they can see their money going away.
That is how it should be, but in the real world where we have people buying things they cannot afford on credit all the time, and in which some people go as far as to ruin their lives in the process, then it is not surprising that we see some people gambling in the same way, if anything it is surprising there are so many people that are gambling and that are doing so in a responsible way, since this would mean there are way more people that are responsible with their money than what I would have thought.
Being responsible would be definitely be just that depending into someones character or type of person because there are indeed people who are really that mindful towards their actions on which
on the time that they are seeing those risks then would really be refraining or would really be having that break if ever they do saw about some issues and this is why it would be that wise
that they would be stopping or having a break if they have noticed something. Making out some bets into those gambling games you are dealing with will really be adding up the spice and thrill
compared to those who have none or something that it is really that in demo. You cant really just that make yourself able to resist on the time that interest on betting with
money becomes that your main concern from time to time on which it is really that bad.

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December 27, 2023, 06:23:47 AM
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This is why one should only gamble what they can afford to lose. You will surely feel anxious or worried when you see your team losing if you have made a bet with money that wasn't meant to be used for gambling because you know things aren't going to be well if you lose. However, if you have made a bet just for fun and the money that you have used is directed towards your gambling activities, you wouldn't need to worry much and simply enjoy the game thinking that losing and winning is part of the game.

So, in my opinion, people who make bets for fun will find a lot of fun watching the matches that they have made a bet on, but those who have made bets to earn a lot of money will not have the same feeling, especially if their chosen team isn't doing very well and they can see their money going away.
There is lot of advice and suggestions presented here about how to approach gambling well, risking money will indeed produce a number of profits when you win and of course you can feel satisfaction.
But when defeat occurs, regret and psychology will be disturbed so that in the end whoever will never accept the loss, they may vent their emotions in various ways and there may also be those who try to recover the loss.
It would be great for those gamblers who are able to accept every loss, but not many can do that and the first step in trying to accept defeat is to gamble using money that is truly prepared to be lost.
Seeing your favorite team play and betting on it may be fun if you win, but when you lose, the disappointment will be very deep because you are disappointed by two things, namely the team you are proud of losing and losing money.
You are right, anyone who bets must always be able to stay within limits or not exceed their limits.

Of course, people bet for fun, so when they lose they won't feel disappointed and try to recover from their losses, they will learn and understand the situation and conditions of the team they are betting on so they don't experience the same mistake.
Watching the game and betting on it is really extraordinary activity because the adrenaline rush is much more challenging.
But on the other hand many gamblers are too careless in betting and in the end they feel pressure when what they bet on makes them lose more money.

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December 27, 2023, 06:53:01 AM
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Watching a match you placed your money on is no fun at all. You cannot enjoy the match because your mind will want to only see what will make your betting option work and anything contrary to it will make you feel bad. Assuming I support team A and place money on them winning, I will not feel comfortable when team B is in possession of the ball, this will deny me the fun. I don't know how people manage to find fun watching the match they put their money on because the only time I see fun in that is when my selection is actually working.

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December 27, 2023, 08:59:36 AM
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Watching a match you placed your money on is no fun at all. You cannot enjoy the match because your mind will want to only see what will make your betting option work and anything contrary to it will make you feel bad. Assuming I support team A and place money on them winning, I will not feel comfortable when team B is in possession of the ball, this will deny me the fun. I don't know how people manage to find fun watching the match they put their money on because the only time I see fun in that is when my selection is actually working.
That is true, but some gamblers can still enjoy it because they can learn how each team plays. It can provide knowledge to them that will be useful in the next game. They can also accept the final result of the match and if the bet loses, they also don't mind and can accept it because that is the bet they placed. And if they lose, it means they have to continue learning to analyze so that in the next bet, they can win. But some people will choose not to watch the match because they will have mixed feelings and cannot bear to watch their chosen team lose. They may not be able to accept the final result of the match so they choose to do something else.

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December 27, 2023, 11:34:35 AM
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with Bet of course , there are 2 scenario that may happen and that is


   - We will win and enjoy the outcome.


   - We will Lose and still enjoy the outcome .


Gambling must be for fun , but it is stupidity not to expect winning so if ever win then we should be thankful but even if we lose still we must be joyful at least we have tried our luck right?

Gamble only with the amount we can afford to lose.

Yeah. Yesterday I lost some bets in a boxing event but I enjoyed the whole fight. But not all people will enjoy watching especially when their team or athlete is losing. Cheesy But as you said, only gamble an amount that we can afford to lose. I don't know but there are a few times when I get disappointed when the team or athlete I am betting on is losing. But I am pretty sure that I am only betting in small amounts.

But at least there is nothing compared when watching a game where our bet is winning. Sometimes we even stand, shout cheer, and clap our hands even if we are only watching alone in front of our television or computer.

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December 27, 2023, 03:43:05 PM
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Watching a match you placed your money on is no fun at all. You cannot enjoy the match because your mind will want to only see what will make your betting option work and anything contrary to it will make you feel bad. Assuming I support team A and place money on them winning, I will not feel comfortable when team B is in possession of the ball, this will deny me the fun. I don't know how people manage to find fun watching the match they put their money on because the only time I see fun in that is when my selection is actually working.
I don't think all gambler based on your assumption, I enjoyed with my bet watching match exactly with my favorite team what ever the result give us some happiness how their game plays exactly for sport betting in football.
Its not about the money but keep watching favorite teams match give us motivate and not really get pressure if result of our bet is wrong, we can watch and enjoying the match what ever bet result but get happy if favorite team win the match and we are winning the bet place.
You can feel adrenaline when watching the match for your bet team because always have more excited moment exactly few minutes before match ended and we can feel how most happiness that moment.

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December 27, 2023, 04:30:49 PM
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Watching a match you placed your money on is no fun at all. You cannot enjoy the match because your mind will want to only see what will make your betting option work and anything contrary to it will make you feel bad. Assuming I support team A and place money on them winning, I will not feel comfortable when team B is in possession of the ball, this will deny me the fun. I don't know how people manage to find fun watching the match they put their money on because the only time I see fun in that is when my selection is actually working.
That is true, but some gamblers can still enjoy it because they can learn how each team plays. It can provide knowledge to them that will be useful in the next game. They can also accept the final result of the match and if the bet loses, they also don't mind and can accept it because that is the bet they placed. And if they lose, it means they have to continue learning to analyze so that in the next bet, they can win. But some people will choose not to watch the match because they will have mixed feelings and cannot bear to watch their chosen team lose. They may not be able to accept the final result of the match so they choose to do something else.
What you call enjoyment in gambling might just be another form of gambling addiction.  I have been in a situation where I feel so incomplete and restless until I gamble. Then I only find happiness in the gambling house irrespective of if I win or lose. With time I realised this was an addiction I had to deal with to reclaim my peace. Many people might be experiencing this yet calling it having fun while gambling.

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December 27, 2023, 04:40:14 PM
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For me it's watching with bets because you have something to gain or lose when the team that you're rooting for wins or loses but to each person this is going to be different since we have different levels of care for money and finances, some of us don't mind losing some money to bet on our favorite teams or the teams that have a favorable odds while others see what we could've spent those money so we have a hard time having fun while betting.

This is a really fun discussion thread as I have an eyeball that there's a balance between people not having fun and having fun while betting, it would be nice if someone's able to gather the data so we can see which one's the winner and see how close the gap between the two is, OP should've put a voting to this thread.

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