[Boxing] Beterbiev vs. Bivol - Undisputed Light Heavyweight Championship

[Natalim]

And after almost 3 weeks, there's no movement in the odds,

Beterviev @1.86 and Bivol @1.88. At least it's good to have this kind of checkpoint before the odds and see who will be the favorite. But as we have been discussing, this is 50/50 and fight fans are still divided as to where their bets will be.

The fight is still very far, and if we are looking for more listing of the odds, we will have to wait. But in any case, we can bet this early as ML is also very attractive. 

On the moneyline, that's just likely the odds we are getting. However, I like to ask what bookie you are using because the odds seem pretty low, means they are getting big commission which was suppose to be not more than 10% on a 50/50 fight, some could even offer 1.95 for both sides but 1.90 is still reasonable.

[Kemarit]

And after almost 3 weeks, there's no movement in the odds,

Beterviev @1.86 and Bivol @1.88. At least it's good to have this kind of checkpoint before the odds and see who will be the favorite. But as we have been discussing, this is 50/50 and fight fans are still divided as to where their bets will be.

The fight is still very far, and if we are looking for more listing of the odds, we will have to wait. But in any case, we can bet this early as ML is also very attractive. 

On the moneyline, that's just likely the odds we are getting. However, I like to ask what bookie you are using because the odds seem pretty low, means they are getting big commission which was suppose to be not more than 10% on a 50/50 fight, some could even offer 1.95 for both sides but 1.90 is still reasonable.

I think almost all crypto bookies or even fiat base gets their odds in Las Vegas or companies like https://www.betradar.com/. So this line could be across every crypto sports bookies.

So it's not like they want to get a commission, if there are big difference in odds, this arbitrage will be used by some gamblers and it's not end up good to this sport bookies. So it must be uniform at least across platform. Perhaps it will just be a small difference maybe .20-.40 the most.

[FinneysTrueVision]

It is looking like these will be the undercard fights. Turki Alalshikh once again putting together a really great stacked card. Wilder and Zhang both lost to Joseph Parker but their styles are perfectly matched for each other. I don’t expect them to throw a lot of punches but we will likely see each of them put all their power behind every shot in an attempt to end the fight with a single punch.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

^^ Yes, it looks like it's confirmed already,



https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1771223919296401431

One is on the comeback trail, Wilder and still wanted to have his name in the discussions in the Heavyweight division. We still dream of him fighting AJ or even Francis Ngannou.

On the other hand, Zhang wanted to show the world that he is no fluke and again, sought to be included as well in this division as there are big money coming from the rich country of Saudi as they are willing to give this boxers good paycheck just to fight in their country. So kudos to HE Turki Alalshikh for another undercard in this fight.

And yes, when we have two heavy punchers, one is bound to go down hard and prepared to use any means necessary to score a knockout and finished that fight in a spectacular manner.

[bisdak40]

One is on the comeback trail, Wilder and still wanted to have his name in the discussions in the Heavyweight division. We still dream of him fighting AJ or even Francis Ngannou.

On the other hand, Zhang wanted to show the world that he is no fluke and again, sought to be included as well in this division as there are big money coming from the rich country of Saudi as they are willing to give this boxers good paycheck just to fight in their country. So kudos to HE Turki Alalshikh for another undercard in this fight.

And yes, when we have two heavy punchers, one is bound to go down hard and prepared to use any means necessary to score a knockout and finished that fight in a spectacular manner.

My bet here is Wilder, hope he will overcome this hurdle and be back in the limelight again. I have nothing against Zhang but I think he is now too old for this sport though we should thank him for his contribution to this division in the last few years but for now he might go down hard with Wilder as his opponent.

[btc_angela]

One is on the comeback trail, Wilder and still wanted to have his name in the discussions in the Heavyweight division. We still dream of him fighting AJ or even Francis Ngannou.

On the other hand, Zhang wanted to show the world that he is no fluke and again, sought to be included as well in this division as there are big money coming from the rich country of Saudi as they are willing to give this boxers good paycheck just to fight in their country. So kudos to HE Turki Alalshikh for another undercard in this fight.

And yes, when we have two heavy punchers, one is bound to go down hard and prepared to use any means necessary to score a knockout and finished that fight in a spectacular manner.

My bet here is Wilder, hope he will overcome this hurdle and be back in the limelight again. I have nothing against Zhang but I think he is now too old for this sport though we should thank him for his contribution to this division in the last few years but for now he might go down hard with Wilder as his opponent.

Wilder needs another good win to be back in track for the sweepstakes fight that is happening in the heavyweight division right now. And Zhang could be that ticket, to get his name again against Anthony Joshua or to fight Usyk.

They are supposedly the version of 4 kings in the heavyweight division, but it look like Francis N. has taken that over from Wilder. But still though, Francis is not like the pro-fighter and with this win, Wilder can get back into the limelight. And thanks to Turki Alalshikh for another great undercard.

[bbc.reporter]

^^ Yes, it looks like it's confirmed already,



https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1771223919296401431

One is on the comeback trail, Wilder and still wanted to have his name in the discussions in the Heavyweight division. We still dream of him fighting AJ or even Francis Ngannou.

On the other hand, Zhang wanted to show the world that he is no fluke and again, sought to be included as well in this division as there are big money coming from the rich country of Saudi as they are willing to give this boxers good paycheck just to fight in their country. So kudos to HE Turki Alalshikh for another undercard in this fight.

And yes, when we have two heavy punchers, one is bound to go down hard and prepared to use any means necessary to score a knockout and finished that fight in a spectacular manner.

Deontay Wilder, after his last loss, it appears that he is being revealed as only a boxer with the skills of an amateur and it his knockout punch that saves him from the mistakes he has done from the previous rounds. This is why his knockout punch is called the eraser by boxing analysts like Teddy Atlas. Before the coronvirus everyone was speculating on who would win if Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua were in the boxing ring. I am quite certain more than 50% would say that it will be a Wilder victory hehehe.

On this fight, I reckon Zhang will have the victory. He might be 40, however, he is a much better boxer than Deontay Wilder. Do not underestimate the Chinaman.

[Jating]

One is on the comeback trail, Wilder and still wanted to have his name in the discussions in the Heavyweight division. We still dream of him fighting AJ or even Francis Ngannou.

On the other hand, Zhang wanted to show the world that he is no fluke and again, sought to be included as well in this division as there are big money coming from the rich country of Saudi as they are willing to give this boxers good paycheck just to fight in their country. So kudos to HE Turki Alalshikh for another undercard in this fight.

And yes, when we have two heavy punchers, one is bound to go down hard and prepared to use any means necessary to score a knockout and finished that fight in a spectacular manner.

My bet here is Wilder, hope he will overcome this hurdle and be back in the limelight again. I have nothing against Zhang but I think he is now too old for this sport though we should thank him for his contribution to this division in the last few years but for now he might go down hard with Wilder as his opponent.

Wilder will be the slight favorite here, I reckon. Even though he both of them lost to Parker, who is a technical fighter, Wilder could still have something inside of him, the desire and motivation to at least go out and win one more time.

Obviously, his soul has been taken by Fury already, but he can still bounce back and recover. It's more of a mental game moving forward for him, and hopefully his team and handlers knows what wrong with the Bronze Bomber and give him the needed encouragement to get back in the game.

[Baofeng]

It is looking like these will be the undercard fights. Turki Alalshikh once again putting together a really great stacked card. Wilder and Zhang both lost to Joseph Parker but their styles are perfectly matched for each other. I don’t expect them to throw a lot of punches but we will likely see each of them put all their power behind every shot in an attempt to end the fight with a single punch.

Thanks for this, yes it another great under card to us boxing fans brought to us by Turki Alalshikh. So I guess the Zhang vs Parker is postponed. And Parker can't do anything about it but just the bragging rights that he beat both of them, hehehe.

But in any case, this might not go to the full 12 rounds and judges score card is moot. But are power punches, and so even shot is an attempt to score a big knock out. Hopefully, Wilder can still pull the trigger here and it's good to see him back in the HW division. If he wins then more fights will surely come in again for him, fight with AJ is the one that we are looking for.

[Kemarit]

There are reports that David Benavidez pleaded Turki Alalshikh to make the fight between him and Canelo. But Turki says no, however, he said that he can fight the winner of this fight in June.



https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1771550634942111745

Well I can't blame Alalshikh, Canelo is clearly doesn't like no part of Benavidez and that's why he is not a fan of it. And for sure Canelo will command big money here, although the Saudis have that kind of money, I don't think though that they'll simply bow down on Canelo here.

So June perhaps, then after that, Bivol and Beterbiev can have their rematch.

What are your thoughts on this proposal?

[bbc.reporter]

There are reports that David Benavidez pleaded Turki Alalshikh to make the fight between him and Canelo. But Turki says no, however, he said that he can fight the winner of this fight in June.



https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1771550634942111745

Well I can't blame Alalshikh, Canelo is clearly doesn't like no part of Benavidez and that's why he is not a fan of it. And for sure Canelo will command big money here, although the Saudis have that kind of money, I don't think though that they'll simply bow down on Canelo here.

So June perhaps, then after that, Bivol and Beterbiev can have their rematch.

What are your thoughts on this proposal?

This will certainly be a checkmate on Canelo from David Benavidez assuming Benavidez will win the light heavyweight championship hehehe. Benavidez knows that Canelo wants a light heavyweight championship before he retires and he also certainly knows that Canelo is avoiding him in the super middleweight division. The solution is to win the unified light heavyweight championships hehehehee. This will be the perfect fight for the both of them because Canelo wants to fight for his legacy and Benavidez wants to fight to become the next big name in the sport of boxing. Also, the purse for each will be very big hehe.

[Yaunfitda]

There are reports that David Benavidez pleaded Turki Alalshikh to make the fight between him and Canelo. But Turki says no, however, he said that he can fight the winner of this fight in June.



https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1771550634942111745

Well I can't blame Alalshikh, Canelo is clearly doesn't like no part of Benavidez and that's why he is not a fan of it. And for sure Canelo will command big money here, although the Saudis have that kind of money, I don't think though that they'll simply bow down on Canelo here.

So June perhaps, then after that, Bivol and Beterbiev can have their rematch.

What are your thoughts on this proposal?

This will certainly be a checkmate on Canelo from David Benavidez assuming Benavidez will win the light heavyweight championship hehehe. Benavidez knows that Canelo wants a light heavyweight championship before he retires and he also certainly knows that Canelo is avoiding him in the super middleweight division. The solution is to win the unified light heavyweight championships hehehehee. This will be the perfect fight for the both of them because Canelo wants to fight for his legacy and Benavidez wants to fight to become the next big name in the sport of boxing. Also, the purse for each will be very big hehe.

And if that is the case then Canelo might stay at the super middleweight division and not chase the light weight as the big 3 might give him another losses specially Benavidez who is really hot on his tail. There is one interview of Benavidez and says that if Canelo thinks he is a nobody, then why he doesn't want to fight me? or something like that. And then on the money that Canelo is asking, Benavidez says why Canelo is demanding that $150-$200 million? so that he could buy a new set of balls"? Lol. But he has a point though, is Canelo afraid of losing again that why when he see someone that can potentially beat him, will ask for a huge sum of mone?

[inthelongrun]

There's a lot of options after this fight. Alalshikh first said that if Beterbiev wins, he wants the Russian to move up in weight for a chance to become a 2 division world champion. Alalshikh wanted Beterbiev against cruiserweight lineal champion Jai Opetaia. But now there are more options like Benavidez and there's also the rematch clause which will be the priority if someone activates it.

I wonder why Alalshikh does not want to consider Canelo. Maybe because he is still under PBC promotions? So far it is only Wilder that fought in Saudi while Top Rank and Matchroom were already scheduling a lot of co-promotion fights there.

[Baofeng]

There's a lot of options after this fight. Alalshikh first said that if Beterbiev wins, he wants the Russian to move up in weight for a chance to become a 2 division world champion. Alalshikh wanted Beterbiev against cruiserweight lineal champion Jai Opetaia. But now there are more options like Benavidez and there's also the rematch clause which will be the priority if someone activates it.

I wonder why Alalshikh does not want to consider Canelo. Maybe because he is still under PBC promotions? So far it is only Wilder that fought in Saudi while Top Rank and Matchroom were already scheduling a lot of co-promotion fights there.

Canelo is demanding too much money, and not only Canelo, but Tank Davis as well and Oscar dela Hoya seems to be not on the list of Alalshikh. As far as I can remember this fighters criticized for having fights in the Saudi's and maybe it did struck on the mind of his Excellency and so it's obvious that for now he won't be having this fighters in his native country.

Yeah, it's open a lot of doors for David Benavidez, Bivol and Beterbiev. And it's good that finally Benavidez got the needed noise from Alalshikh himself and for sure he will make good money with or without Canelo Alvarez.

[stadus]

There's a lot of options after this fight. Alalshikh first said that if Beterbiev wins, he wants the Russian to move up in weight for a chance to become a 2 division world champion. Alalshikh wanted Beterbiev against cruiserweight lineal champion Jai Opetaia. But now there are more options like Benavidez and there's also the rematch clause which will be the priority if someone activates it.

I wonder why Alalshikh does not want to consider Canelo. Maybe because he is still under PBC promotions? So far it is only Wilder that fought in Saudi while Top Rank and Matchroom were already scheduling a lot of co-promotion fights there.

Canelo is demanding too much money, and not only Canelo, but Tank Davis as well and Oscar dela Hoya seems to be not on the list of Alalshikh. As far as I can remember this fighters criticized for having fights in the Saudi's and maybe it did struck on the mind of his Excellency and so it's obvious that for now he won't be having this fighters in his native country.

Yeah, it's open a lot of doors for David Benavidez, Bivol and Beterbiev. And it's good that finally Benavidez got the needed noise from Alalshikh himself and for sure he will make good money with or without Canelo Alvarez.

Saudi is like the new Vegas, big fights are happening there and fighters are getting good money from that fight. Sooner, these fighters that does not respect Alalshikh might come to him again and try to apologize just to get a big fight. Canelo and Tank maybe enjoying their popularity now, but once more fights will happen in Saudi, maybe these two will try to negotiate and lower their terms just to ride with the trend on where big money is coming from.

I guess it started with the heavyweight fights, it was successful and now they are seeing this venue and Alalshikh as the key to generate more money. After all, the boxing industry is more on money now, fighters cherry picking their opponents to remain undefeated but if the promoter itself would not allow, then it will not happen because these champions will be force to fight a decent challenger and their undefeated record is at risk, real-risk.

[Dave1]

There's a lot of options after this fight. Alalshikh first said that if Beterbiev wins, he wants the Russian to move up in weight for a chance to become a 2 division world champion. Alalshikh wanted Beterbiev against cruiserweight lineal champion Jai Opetaia. But now there are more options like Benavidez and there's also the rematch clause which will be the priority if someone activates it.

I wonder why Alalshikh does not want to consider Canelo. Maybe because he is still under PBC promotions? So far it is only Wilder that fought in Saudi while Top Rank and Matchroom were already scheduling a lot of co-promotion fights there.

Canelo is demanding too much money, and not only Canelo, but Tank Davis as well and Oscar dela Hoya seems to be not on the list of Alalshikh. As far as I can remember this fighters criticized for having fights in the Saudi's and maybe it did struck on the mind of his Excellency and so it's obvious that for now he won't be having this fighters in his native country.

Yeah, it's open a lot of doors for David Benavidez, Bivol and Beterbiev. And it's good that finally Benavidez got the needed noise from Alalshikh himself and for sure he will make good money with or without Canelo Alvarez.

Saudi is like the new Vegas, big fights are happening there and fighters are getting good money from that fight. Sooner, these fighters that does not respect Alalshikh might come to him again and try to apologize just to get a big fight. Canelo and Tank maybe enjoying their popularity now, but once more fights will happen in Saudi, maybe these two will try to negotiate and lower their terms just to ride with the trend on where big money is coming from.

Right, before it was Atlantic City-> Las Vegas in the US. But when the Saudi open it's door or at least uses their influence with the American promoters like Bob Arum and England's MatchRoom Eddie Hearn it open the doors for this boxers to get the money that they deserved.

I guess it started with the heavyweight fights, it was successful and now they are seeing this venue and Alalshikh as the key to generate more money. After all, the boxing industry is more on money now, fighters cherry picking their opponents to remain undefeated but if the promoter itself would not allow, then it will not happen because these champions will be force to fight a decent challenger and their undefeated record is at risk, real-risk.

Yes, it started with the HW boxers being promoted with the likes of Fury and AJ. Here is the picture of his excellency, with the legends of boxing/MMA.



https://www.the-sun.com/sport/9677991/mastermind-fury-usyk-legendary-boxing-photo-tyson-lewis-khan/

[inthelongrun]

I guess it started with the heavyweight fights, it was successful and now they are seeing this venue and Alalshikh as the key to generate more money. After all, the boxing industry is more on money now, fighters cherry picking their opponents to remain undefeated but if the promoter itself would not allow, then it will not happen because these champions will be force to fight a decent challenger and their undefeated record is at risk, real-risk.

Yes, it started with the HW boxers being promoted with the likes of Fury and AJ. Here is the picture of his excellency, with the legends of boxing/MMA.



https://www.the-sun.com/sport/9677991/mastermind-fury-usyk-legendary-boxing-photo-tyson-lewis-khan/

Yes, Saudi started hosting huge boxing events again after the AJ-Ruiz rematch. At first I thought the Saudis will be doubtful again because it was a boring fight where AJ was too awkward running backwards and outboxing a very fat Andy Ruiz.

But Saudi generally has the plans to become a sporting capital in the world. It is starting to diversify. Soccer superstars are also playing in Saudi. Even in e-sports, Saudi is now hosting most likely the biggest DOTA 2 and Mobile Legends prize pools. And boxing is a big sport which Saudi cannot just surpassed.

There are still cherry pickers. Promoters can either follow the superstars demand or it will leave to another promotion just like what Mayweather did when Bob Arum wanted him to fight then WBO champion and feared Antonio Margarito.

[btc_angela]

^^ They are known to be a football country. But I do agree, Alalshikh is really a big boxing fans and that started with the Ruiz-AJ fight and then they enjoyed and now with their oil money, everyone in the boxing world is benefiting, specially the likes of Bob Arum and Eddie Hearn and his enemy Frank Warren.

But there is a saying that when big money is involved, this so called enemy will have to compromise and put aside their quarrels because it's business after all. So it will be a big loss for Canelo if he doesn't or can't fight in Saudi or at least not getting the oil money as his paycheck.

[Baofeng]

And after almost 3 weeks, there's no movement in the odds,

Beterviev @1.86 and Bivol @1.88. At least it's good to have this kind of checkpoint before the odds and see who will be the favorite. But as we have been discussing, this is 50/50 and fight fans are still divided as to where their bets will be.

The fight is still very far, and if we are looking for more listing of the odds, we will have to wait. But in any case, we can bet this early as ML is also very attractive. 

On the moneyline, that's just likely the odds we are getting. However, I like to ask what bookie you are using because the odds seem pretty low, means they are getting big commission which was suppose to be not more than 10% on a 50/50 fight, some could even offer 1.95 for both sides but 1.90 is still reasonable.

Sorry for the late reply, it was Stake that I  get the initial line as they are early to list their ML. Most likely the source as someone said is Las Vegas insider. They don't get any commission, most likely they paid those odd makers though.

I think it's reasonable that this is the current odds, almosts 50/50 and there are some swings as far as I know. Maybe it will change for Bivol the next time that someone will check. And again, it shows that fight is going to be great as the odds as very close for now.

[bbc.reporter]

There are reports that David Benavidez pleaded Turki Alalshikh to make the fight between him and Canelo. But Turki says no, however, he said that he can fight the winner of this fight in June.



https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1771550634942111745

Well I can't blame Alalshikh, Canelo is clearly doesn't like no part of Benavidez and that's why he is not a fan of it. And for sure Canelo will command big money here, although the Saudis have that kind of money, I don't think though that they'll simply bow down on Canelo here.

So June perhaps, then after that, Bivol and Beterbiev can have their rematch.

What are your thoughts on this proposal?

This will certainly be a checkmate on Canelo from David Benavidez assuming Benavidez will win the light heavyweight championship hehehe. Benavidez knows that Canelo wants a light heavyweight championship before he retires and he also certainly knows that Canelo is avoiding him in the super middleweight division. The solution is to win the unified light heavyweight championships hehehehee. This will be the perfect fight for the both of them because Canelo wants to fight for his legacy and Benavidez wants to fight to become the next big name in the sport of boxing. Also, the purse for each will be very big hehe.

And if that is the case then Canelo might stay at the super middleweight division and not chase the light weight as the big 3 might give him another losses specially Benavidez who is really hot on his tail. There is one interview of Benavidez and says that if Canelo thinks he is a nobody, then why he doesn't want to fight me? or something like that. And then on the money that Canelo is asking, Benavidez says why Canelo is demanding that $150-$200 million? so that he could buy a new set of balls"? Lol. But he has a point though, is Canelo afraid of losing again that why when he see someone that can potentially beat him, will ask for a huge sum of mone?

However, it appears that Canelo's real reason why he does not want to fight David Benavidez is the money might not be enough compared to the risk that he might lose all of his championships to Benavidez. If this is true, I reckon Benavidez's challenge against the champions of light heavyweight might be his strategy to be known as a big name in boxing that can offer Canelo money and more to his legacy if Canelo is victorious.

If we are being honest with ourselves, David Benavidez is not a very known name in boxing. Ask anyone who is David Benavidez, no one will know. However, ask them who is Canelo, I am quite certain there will be some people who will say they know the name.