Standing Strong Against Unjust Attacks: A Call for Community Support

[blackjack.fun]

Hello BitcoinTalk Community,

I am Admin Eva, representing the Blackjack.fun project and our dedicated team. Unfortunately, our community has been targeted by an individual named JackpotRacer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524209), who is actively attempting to tarnish our reputation without any valid reason. JackpotRacer's actions seem to be a strategic attack, fueled by either a personal agenda, narcissistic behavior, or potential mental health issues. His relentless attacks extend not only within the BitcoinTalk forum but also outside of it, creating a false narrative and proposing a solution that amounts to nothing short of blackmail. The harassment campaign began in November, primarily focused on coercing us into creating blackjack tournaments for him. We want to bring this to the community's attention, as we believe in transparency and the support of our fellow forum members.

JackpotRacer has weaponized a scam accusations thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474047.0) to further his agenda, misleading others to achieve his goal. Notably, our decision to trigger a KYC on his account has triggered his attempts to portray himself as a victim, though we firmly believe we are within our rights to take such actions.

In light of these challenges, we've temporarily stepped back from the Bitcointalk forum to address the situation. Once this matter is resolved, we plan to return with a significant signature campaign, open an ANN thread, and continue our engagement with the community.

We are reaching out to seek advice and support from our valued community members. How can we effectively counter such ill-intentioned attacks and safeguard our reputation? Any insights, suggestions, or shared experiences would be immensely appreciated.

Thank you for your attention and support.

Best regards,
Admin Eva

[Helena Yu]

I didn't follow the case, but when I check the accusations and feedback on your account, you don't have to create a clarification because the community know who's the real victim.

But, good to see you're planning to return the advertisement in this forum, the future participants need to thank JackpotRacer.

[Wiwo]

In light of these challenges, we've temporarily stepped back from the Bitcointalk forum to address the situation. Once this matter is resolved, we plan to return with a significant signature campaign, open an ANN thread, and continue our engagement with the community.

If you ask me I will say,  there is no need to step back from your activities here in the forum,  and if I don't remember I think I still recall how active blackjack fun was in taking bitcointalk members' feedback and suggestion by implementing them in the early days of your presence here in the forum,  so inline with that,  I suggest that you keep up with your activities and also try as much as possible to be active in responding to issues as promptly as you can.

Instead of going off totally which will affect your already-gained popularity here in the forum

We are reaching out to seek advice and support from our valued community members. How can we effectively counter such ill-intentioned attacks and safeguard our reputation? Any insights, suggestions, or shared experiences would be immensely appreciated.

Thank you for your attention and support.

Best regards,
Admin Eva

Make everything open and clear so the community members can see and judge from the available evidence from both parties involved in this case.

Going off the forum will further speak negatively and less your visibility,  if you want to deal with it and gain your reputation then deal with it,  I believe the member involved will respond to this thread soon and let us see from the other side of the story,  for those of us who have not been following up with the case but have noticed blackjack fewer activities here for a while now.

[TheUltraElite]

I suggested to the OP to create such a thread, of course this should be enough to guide a path in case the accused somehow "manages" to creep into the DT network - literally no chance but just for caution.

It is fairly clear here as the account making the threats has got no substantial credibility to their accusations and blackjack.fun should now begin to "Ignore" this person and move on with the development of their own casino.

OP should be clear as to how this happened and why they are a fair casino. Take help of a translator in case the first language is not English. Even then Ignoring the troll is the best thing to do here. Going away from this forum allows the troll to think that they won and it feeds their mental illness. So let them live in the shadows and pass comments while you promote your casino.

[holydarkness]

Hello BitcoinTalk Community,

I am Admin Eva, representing the Blackjack.fun project and our dedicated team. Unfortunately, our community has been targeted by an individual named JackpotRacer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524209), who is actively attempting to tarnish our reputation without any valid reason. JackpotRacer's actions seem to be a strategic attack, fueled by either a personal agenda, narcissistic behavior, or potential mental health issues. His relentless attacks extend not only within the BitcoinTalk forum but also outside of it, creating a false narrative and proposing a solution that amounts to nothing short of blackmail. The harassment campaign began in November, primarily focused on coercing us into creating blackjack tournaments for him. We want to bring this to the community's attention, as we believe in transparency and the support of our fellow forum members.

JackpotRacer has weaponized a scam accusations thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474047.0) to further his agenda, misleading others to achieve his goal. Notably, our decision to trigger a KYC on his account has triggered his attempts to portray himself as a victim, though we firmly believe we are within our rights to take such actions.

I was one of the user who oversee that thread, alongside with several other prominent members, I don't think you should worry much about that thread, anyone who gave that thread a read can see how baseless the accusation is... well, JackpotRacer can't even spell out what's the scam about.

Nonetheless, several good points that's being brought to that thread and you happen to mention here should be addressed, as follow:

In light of these challenges, we've temporarily stepped back from the Bitcointalk forum to address the situation. Once this matter is resolved, we plan to return with a significant signature campaign, open an ANN thread, and continue our engagement with the community.

First is this one, this is a very poor problem solving strategy. By locking your ANN, you just cast an impression that you're evasive and has something to hide. Soonest you open them for public and re-engage to the community will be better.

We are reaching out to seek advice and support from our valued community members. How can we effectively counter such ill-intentioned attacks and safeguard our reputation? Any insights, suggestions, or shared experiences would be immensely appreciated.

Second, as you asked for advice for your reputation, as well as to clarify what really happens, there are two things that need your response and explanation, that is the Curacao license and the Provably Fair method. I can see that you've replace the license with... Anjuan Gaming... of Africa [this is the first time I am stumbled upon them], but it's probably better to give an explanation why for quite some time you have an invalid license in your page. I believe you're very close to get a tag or two for those matters.

I'll bring these issue of license and PF to Pmalek's and JollyGood's attention by mentioning them here as well as writing on JackpotRacer's thread, redirecting them here.

[SamReomo]

I have personally worked on a task of Blackjack.fun and I can surely say that they paid me for my work. That's enough for me to believe that Blackjack.fun is a reliable platform and they value their players and all those members who do some task for them. In fact I wasn't directly working with Blackjack.fun for the project, it was mediated by a third person, but when I contacted them, and when they verified that I have done the work, they paid me for that work. It's a proof that they value all those people who somehow work for them or who use their casino.

I also noticed that the original announcement thread of Blackjack.fun was locked and that's the reason some people bashed them. But, now they came with this thread to clarify that they will comeback to this forum and even start a signature campaign once again which's a pure sign of generosity. I believe they value feedback of Bitcointalk members and they want to have presence on this forum. I'm very sure that they'll get good feedback from the members of this forum because they haven't done anything wrong with anyone and they should not be treated as such.

As a Hero member of this community I think I somehow support them because they paid me for the task and which's enough for me to understand that they aren't unjust people and they really value good work. If they can support those who completes a task for them then I believe they also support their players. I hope they will get good response from other members of the forum as well and that might help them get motivated and return to this forum once again.

[Pmalek]

You haven't scammed JackpotRacer regardless of how many times he says it. He first needs to figure out what he wants and that's not happening. It seems that he wants to be back testing/playing blackjack on Blackjack.Fun and I don't think that's going to happen either. Perhaps it will after he conducts KYC, which he doesn't want to do.

In light of these challenges, we've temporarily stepped back from the Bitcointalk forum to address the situation. Once this matter is resolved, we plan to return with a significant signature campaign, open an ANN thread, and continue our engagement with the community.

No need to create a new ANN thread. You already have one. Reopen it and continue with your work. Other players might have valid questions or posts that they want to write there, but now they can't. Negative comments are unfortunately part of the game.

holydarkness has covered most of the questions I wanted to ask and that I asked in the scam accusation thread that JackpotRacer opened.
The issue with the wrong license has been solved, but do you want to comment on why the wrong one was there for so long?
The second issue is the Provably Fair logo. Are your games provably fair and can you prove it?

A few questions and comments on the bugs that JackpotRacer found.
What can you tell us about the timer reset bug? Are you working on it, has it been fixed, do you not want to fix it?
JackpotRacer does not have a case, but he did find several bugs. You fixed some, but the timer reset seems to be a major one that directly influences the outcome of a round. If that is true, you shouldn't be hosting real-money games until that is fixed.

[KingsDen]

I suggested to the OP to create such a thread, of course this should be enough to guide a path in case the accused somehow "manages" to creep into the DT network - literally no chance but just for caution.

It is fairly clear here as the account making the threats has got no substantial credibility to their accusations and blackjack.fun should now begin to "Ignore" this person and move on with the development of their own casino.

Good that OP made the thread. It thought you would have said the user called out by blackjack be ignored since they are not on DT and does not have the possibility of getting in any moment. Nice you didn't toe this path. That is how many people ignore users that left them negative tag because they do not possess DT power. Who knows how the coming years will be and they would my crook or whatever means gets into the DT and it will then be difficult to prove facts. Nice the thread is created since Blackjack has the vision of restarting promotion here.

About Op, I don't know him much. But the neutral tag left by nutildah could define something. But I am yet to understand how someone allows himself to be scammed frequently  

While I do not trust users who allow themselves to be "scammed" so frequently, that in itself is not worthy of a negative trust. I do recommend avoiding engaging in any business with this user as they have an extremely poor attitude and tend to complain (a lot) if things don't go exactly as they hoped. Check previous feedback both given and received for examples.

[JollyGood]

I am glad a blackjack.fun representative has posted but I think you should have engaged with the community earlier with regards to recent events. Nevertheless, thank you for the post.

I will not comment on what the OP of that thread alleged but there are important questions to ask. As you can see, Pmalek and holydarkness have asked some questions and I will take the opportunity to post mine unedited even though they overlap those already asked because I had them in mind before coming to this thread. I hope you will reply as it will provide some clarity:

- Did blackjack.fun have a valid Curacao licence during all the period the logo was visible on the website?
- When was the Anjouan licence issued?
- Was there an interim period when the website was operating without a licence namely before the Anjouan licence was issued (and if so, how long was the website working without a valid licence and why?)

In light of these challenges, we've temporarily stepped back from the Bitcointalk forum to address the situation. Once this matter is resolved, we plan to return with a significant signature campaign, open an ANN thread, and continue our engagement with the community.

We are reaching out to seek advice and support from our valued community members. How can we effectively counter such ill-intentioned attacks and safeguard our reputation? Any insights, suggestions, or shared experiences would be immensely appreciated.

Thank you for your attention and support.

Best regards,
Admin Eva

[yahoo62278]

I gave my opinion of the whole situation in the scam accusations thread. I do not feel like you will ever get a fair shake when dealing with JPR.

I think you're a little premature with your accusation. As usual you're an asshole and very aggressive with the site.

Here's what I see.

1. you tried to help by reporting some stuff in their thread. Good action by you.

2. They didn't take into account all your suggestions.

3. You exploited the bug yourself, self admittedly.  Whether or not it was trying to reproduce or exploit it still happened.

4. You were asked for kyc after this action and unable to participate. At this point you become aggressive towards the site and decide to be an ass and open a scam accusation.

Sound about right?

From my experience with Blackjack.fun I do not think English is their 1st language. It may not be yours either but I understand you pretty good. Instead of opening an accusation because you were asked for kyc, you should have maybe tried to pm and communicate further without acting out. Maybe get them to understand what and why things happened. If that didn't work, pm their campaign manager and see of he can get the owner to understand.

It's only a scam if they don't allow you to wd. If you ask to wd and pass kyc and they don't send your funds, then it's a scam dude.

This sound about right? Then when he didn't get his way he just kept on pushing and pushing and pushing hoping you will give in and submit to him. He tried reporting me to the company hiring me to wear their advertisement too. He didn't get his way with me either, I just decided he is not worth my time which is what you should do as well.

If he did report legitimate bugs, look into them and fix them if they are serious. If you owe him money offer to send it to him via whatever wallet he wants to use. I think it's 10-30 dollars so nothing big, then click the ignore button and move on.

As a business, it's in your best interest to try and listen to any and all accusations within reason. If there is no scam, explain your case and go on about your day. No need to argue back and forth or submit to any sort of blackmail. As long as you didn't scam, you have no worries. If you offered to pay him whatever money he has coming and deny him the privelege of playing on your platform, then it's on him for not taking payment.

I see others asking licensing issues. Please take the time to address those questions and put this matter to rest.

[RRZpU]

That's what I've been saying since my first post.

Just sue him and make him pay for his sick behaviour.

[holydarkness]

[...]

If he did report legitimate bugs, look into them and fix them if they are serious. If you owe him money offer to send it to him via whatever wallet he wants to use. I think it's 10-30 dollars so nothing big, then click the ignore button and move on.

As a business, it's in your best interest to try and listen to any and all accusations within reason. If there is no scam, explain your case and go on about your day. No need to argue back and forth or submit to any sort of blackmail. As long as you didn't scam, you have no worries. If you offered to pay him whatever money he has coming and deny him the privelege of playing on your platform, then it's on him for not taking payment.

[...]

That's the "issue" here, they can't send the fund because he refused to give a return address. They initially asked for KYC, but after JPR refuses, they waived the KYC requirement and asked him for an address to return his fund. He refused to provide it; because after his fund returned, he's very likely won't be able to play on the platform anymore.

[JollyGood]

You summed it up perfectly, in this instance nobody is giving the OP of that thread any support because he has refused to accept a payment which was offered. The whole premise for his thread against blackjack.fun was based on a dispute over $30 which he refused to accept when he was offered it.

As for the questions regarding either their licence or provably fair claim, they came up because there was a discussion in that thread and those picked up after looking at their website. I hope they clarify the situation and do not take an extended leave from the forum.

I gave my opinion of the whole situation in the scam accusations thread. I do not feel like you will ever get a fair shake when dealing with JPR.

~snip~

I see others asking licensing issues. Please take the time to address those questions and put this matter to rest.

[examplens]

We are reaching out to seek advice and support from our valued community members. How can we effectively counter such ill-intentioned attacks and safeguard our reputation? Any insights, suggestions, or shared experiences would be immensely appreciated.

I went through this scam accusation, and I don't see that you did anything wrong. At least not for what you are accused of. Well, if I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I suggest that you open a new ANN thread, but this one out self-moderated to avoid its unnecessary trolling and derailing the thread.

Also from that discussion, it is obvious, fix that bug or turn off the games that are subject to it. That can't happen. Do not present licenses to the site or any information that is not correct. Situations can always happen where you will be shown as someone who is misleading users.

This sound about right? Then when he didn't get his way he just kept on pushing and pushing and pushing hoping you will give in and submit to him. He tried reporting me to the company hiring me to wear their advertisement too. He didn't get his way with me either, I just decided he is not worth my time which is what you should do as well.

His way of communicating and aggressiveness reminds me a lot of some users who were active here on the forum and quite active in accusing the casinos.

[robelneo]

Saw the thread in the scam section and he's not serious about getting his issue resolved he just wants to ruin Blackjack and insult members who contradict him, Pmalek is right in saying this guy has a mental issue, Blackjackfun used to have a long campaign here until they experimented on affiliate based signature campaign although it did not work they can still relaunched their campaign, there are a lot of poker players here and when it comes to poker, the community always have Blackjack.fun in their mind.

[Mahdirakib]

Finally you have broken your silence! You should have done it earlier. The user JackpotRacer complaint was completely pointless as he thinks everything in a different way. I was also observing the accusation, and I had stopped posting in his thread when I realized it was worthless to convince him. Because he doesn't think everything normally. I can see that you have unlocked Blackjack.fun main ANN thread. In my opinion, the best thing would be to create a self-moderated thread to deal with his poor mentality.

[Shishir99]

As you can see, the community already support you and they do not rely on what Jackpot racer posted. The only thing he could do was spread lies everywhere. No matter what he writes, just ignore him and go on. Do not take him seriously. Some of the forum members already responded to him. You should start doing the campaigns and other promotions that you were planning to do. There were always some trolls and some people who always wanted to take unfair benefits from casinos by blackmailing them. If you respond to them and keep talking about them, they will think that you are paying attention to him and he will force you to pay him. Just ignore and go on. Good luck!

[NotATether]

That's what I've been saying since my first post.

Just sue him and make him pay for his sick behaviour.

That is going to be very difficult if they haven't already identified the identity of JackpotRacer with whoever the user is on their platform. Because you can't just walk to the forum administration and ask for IP addresses, and even if you somehow had them, that's not enough information to identify the user's name, address, etc. to say nothing about how are you going to sue someone in a jurisdiction you are very far away from.

[JollyGood]

It does seem that way. He was after all offered the $30 (yes all this about $30 as an excuse to attack blackjack.fun) and that happened after he exploited a bug in their system. He wanted that money donated here and there but refused to accept it himself. That incident should be kept separated from the questions some members have asked blackjack.fun about their operation and they have not replied yet.

Saw the thread in the scam section and he's not serious about getting his issue resolved he just wants to ruin Blackjack and insult members who contradict him, Pmalek is right in saying this guy has a mental issue, Blackjackfun used to have a long campaign here until they experimented on affiliate based signature campaign although it did not work they can still relaunched their campaign, there are a lot of poker players here and when it comes to poker, the community always have Blackjack.fun in their mind.

[blackjack.fun]

It appears crucial to clarify matters concerning our license, although it is unrelated to the current situation. Nevertheless, I will address it.

Until the end of December 2023, we consistently held a Curacao License for many years. Starting from January 1, 2024, we have obtained an Anjouan license.

Various factors influence details concerning a validator link, including front-end development, response times from the license provider via emails, considerations related to the link, and renewal processes, among others. However, it's essential to emphasize that the documentation we possess holds the utmost importance; the validator link merely serves as an additional trust factor.

It's worth noting that JackpotRacer is diligently attempting to find any possible information to tarnish our reputation.

Eva

[JollyGood]

Thank you Eva for explaining the licencing questions but I am sure you will understand concern and/or disappointment some members might feel because you displayed a Curacao logo for around the period 1st January 2024 to 20 February 2024 even though you did not have a licence from them.

If you received your licence from Anjouan licencing on 1st January 2024 it means there was no period you were without a licence therefore that would demonstrate you did not operate even one minute without a licence but is it possible for you to provide any sort of verifiable proof that you had both licences at the appropriate times you stated (one for 31st December 2023 from Curacao licencing and one for 1st January 2024 for Anjouan licencing)?

It will be appreciated if you can address the questions asked by other members regarding the provably fair claims.

I think I speak for nearly all of us when I state that JackpotRacer does not have any support in his claim against blackjack.fun in that thread because he exploited the bug in the system and also refused to accept a payment from blackjack.fun therefore he is not part of the discussion.

It appears crucial to clarify matters concerning our license, although it is unrelated to the current situation. Nevertheless, I will address it.

Until the end of December 2023, we consistently held a Curacao License for many years. Starting from January 1, 2024, we have obtained an Anjouan license.

Various factors influence details concerning a validator link, including front-end development, response times from the license provider via emails, considerations related to the link, and renewal processes, among others. However, it's essential to emphasize that the documentation we possess holds the utmost importance; the validator link merely serves as an additional trust factor.

It's worth noting that JackpotRacer is diligently attempting to find any possible information to tarnish our reputation.

Eva

[blackjack.fun]

What questions do you have about Provably Fair, and which game are you considering? Not all game providers offer Provably Fair, but many do for certain games.

[JollyGood]

I did not look in to any aspect of the provably fair claims as it was the Curacao logo that caught my attention but others have mentioned they do not know the method you apply to your provably fair games. How can your customers/clients check the validity of the provably fair games they have played immediately after the game has ended?

A brief look at the website shows a provably fair icon on the website therefore if by your own admission not all game providers offer provably games should that provably fair icon be shown or removed?

Looking at this from a neutral perspective, would you assume it is better to remove that provably fair icon as it could be deemed as misleading?

What questions do you have about Provably Fair, and which game are you considering? Not all game providers offer Provably Fair, but many do for certain games.

[blackjack.fun]

I did not look in to any aspect of the provably fair claims as it was the Curacao logo that caught my attention but others have mentioned they do not know the method you apply to your provably fair games. How can your customers/clients check the validity of the provably fair games they have played immediately after the game has ended?

A brief look at the website shows a provably fair icon on the website therefore if by your own admission not all game providers offer provably games should that provably fair icon be shown or removed?

Looking at this from a neutral perspective, would you assume it is better to remove that provably fair icon as it could be deemed as misleading?

What questions do you have about Provably Fair, and which game are you considering? Not all game providers offer Provably Fair, but many do for certain games.

For inquiries regarding company documentation, please write to legal@blackjack.fun, and our legal team will take it from there. They are well-versed in identifying which documents are publicly accessible.

Our in-house Blackjack game is provably fair, developed by the Blackjack.fun team. This is a game what started the whole Blackjack.fun platform back in the day.

[holydarkness]

I did not look in to any aspect of the provably fair claims as it was the Curacao logo that caught my attention but others have mentioned they do not know the method you apply to your provably fair games. How can your customers/clients check the validity of the provably fair games they have played immediately after the game has ended?

A brief look at the website shows a provably fair icon on the website therefore if by your own admission not all game providers offer provably games should that provably fair icon be shown or removed?

Looking at this from a neutral perspective, would you assume it is better to remove that provably fair icon as it could be deemed as misleading?

What questions do you have about Provably Fair, and which game are you considering? Not all game providers offer Provably Fair, but many do for certain games.

For inquiries regarding company documentation, please write to legal@blackjack.fun, and our legal team will take it from there. They are well-versed in identifying which documents are publicly accessible.

Our in-house Blackjack game is provably fair, developed by the Blackjack.fun team. This is a game what started the whole Blackjack.fun platform back in the day.

If I may jump in, I think the matter of license will be best to be addressed publicly as it is related to transparency. As such, it might be a better alternative if you reach the legal department yourself and consult to them which document is allowed for public consumption and can be answered and/or displayed here instead of having curious individuals to reach privately.

Regarding PF, coming from an outsider who doesn't have an account on your platform and can't try to check himself, does the game is verifiable to be fair? I mean, if anyone wanted to check if their session is out of any manipulation, can they easily check that through a page in your platform?

[Pmalek]

Our in-house Blackjack game is provably fair, developed by the Blackjack.fun team. This is a game what started the whole Blackjack.fun platform back in the day.

How can I verify that if I wanted to? Are there step-by-step instructions on the website that explain the process of verifying each round of your in-house blackjack game?
Can you please answer the questions I asked in my previous post about the bugs that JackpotRacer found?

A few questions and comments on the bugs that JackpotRacer found.
What can you tell us about the timer reset bug? Are you working on it, has it been fixed, do you not want to fix it?
JackpotRacer does not have a case, but he did find several bugs. You fixed some, but the timer reset seems to be a major one that directly influences the outcome of a round. If that is true, you shouldn't be hosting real-money games until that is fixed.

[blackjack.fun]

The legal team has responded, indicating that requests for company documentation cannot be accommodated due to the presence of signatures and personal information within the requested materials.


House blackjack provably fair:
(Suggested by Bitcointalk community)


Press My bets and then on the bet.

[CryptSafe]

OP,staying away from this platform is like accepting defeat, which is not a good one. That would validate the complaint your accuser has been lodging against you and also give them the avenue to throw tantrums at your casino. From the unfolding events, the platform knows the real truth but is waiting for the event to unfold itself gradually. I will advise that you continue your work here because taking a break might likely affect your casino since the majority of members here patronize your casino and they would also take a break from your casino since there is no presence of the casino representative here.

[holydarkness]

The legal team has responded, indicating that requests for company documentation cannot be accommodated due to the presence of signatures and personal information within the requested materials.

As what the community wanted to know is whether the statement that you never go license-less, that your Curacao license was valid through 31 December 2023 and your Anjouan license has already been active by 1 January 2024, may I perhaps suggest to provide a proof of documentation that's strictly limited to these aspect without revealing other personal signature and information? So perhaps only the name of the licensee on that certificate and its expiration date. Or perhaps your legal team has a better way to validate this matter? An email from Anjouan informing you that your license is active and from Curacao telling you that theirs was expiring, perhaps?

House blackjack provably fair:
(Suggested by Bitcointalk community)


Press My bets and then on the bet.
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And this is available on every game that's playable on your platform? I think this is enough. Pmalek, do you have further question regarding PF?

[Beparanf]

All casinos have a user like the one that attacking you right now. The only difference was you entertained him and given him the opportunity to compromised just to stop the attack.

Just open your ANN thread so all this discussion will be put there instead of creating multiple topic about the situation of your casino. Honestly, the community doesn’t support the user that attacking yet you are making it too big by answering to his repeated accusations that already debunked by reputable members here. @Eva, JackpotRacer is not your only customer, If no other user making a complaint then why making this such a big deal when the community is not even interested to support the one who attacks you.

[JollyGood]

In addition to your questions about the overlapping of licences between Curacao and Anjouan, I have a question because Eva did not provide clarity on the provably fair claims.

I think Eva already mentioned in an earlier post that their provably fair claim was limited specifically to their own in-house House Blackjack game. After that, the next statement was provably fair claims are not being made on all third party games.

I hope Eva can write back with a specific answer as to which games are provably fair and what to do about letting their customers know which games are not provably fair and how that discrepancy would fit in with the provably fair image shown on their website because it is a contradictory statement.

House blackjack provably fair:
(Suggested by Bitcointalk community)

And this is available on every game that's playable on your platform? I think this is enough. Pmalek, do you have further question regarding PF?

[khaled0111]

And this is available on every game that's playable on your platform?

No. The provably fair here refers to their in-house games, only. They have two of them Blackjack and Red or Black and, if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).
Some of the other games from third party providers are pf but not all of them. This is something out of blackjack.fun's control as they are not the one who developed those games.

[yahoo62278]

Regarding the license, I know it goes to credibility and that's why you guys are asking, but if the license they hold now is verified or able to be verified and noone has been scammed, do we really need to see proof of this or that?

Some will say we need to k now if they are liars or not(which is fine if they respond to what you want), but if they don't show proof and they didn't scam, what's the end game here?

[Pmalek]

I think this is enough. Pmalek, do you have further question regarding PF?

This is not something I can verify on my end since I haven't played any games, and so can't verify the nature of past rounds. Someone who has played Blackjack.Fun's provably fair games can do that. It's positive that the information is there, at least.

<Snip>

Eva, do you have problems with your eyesight?

A few questions and comments on the bugs that JackpotRacer found.
What can you tell us about the timer reset bug? Are you working on it, has it been fixed, do you not want to fix it?
JackpotRacer does not have a case, but he did find several bugs. You fixed some, but the timer reset seems to be a major one that directly influences the outcome of a round. If that is true, you shouldn't be hosting real-money games until that is fixed.

[examplens]

A few questions and comments on the bugs that JackpotRacer found.
What can you tell us about the timer reset bug? Are you working on it, has it been fixed, do you not want to fix it?
JackpotRacer does not have a case, but he did find several bugs. You fixed some, but the timer reset seems to be a major one that directly influences the outcome of a round. If that is true, you shouldn't be hosting real-money games until that is fixed.

Whatever they did with this, I don't believe they will publicly present the current situation here. Imagine if they said here that they haven't fixed the bug yet, wouldn't that encourage potential scammers to start abusing this bug?
Also, if they had solved the issue, I guess that they would have announced it officially because the avoidance of the answer can be interpreted differently.

[holydarkness]

Regarding the license, I know it goes to credibility and that's why you guys are asking, but if the license they hold now is verified or able to be verified and noone has been scammed, do we really need to see proof of this or that?

Some will say we need to k now if they are liars or not(which is fine if they respond to what you want), but if they don't show proof and they didn't scam, what's the end game here?

Personally, what I hope can be the outcome of that point is a way for blackjack-fun to clear their reputation and invalidate JPR's claim, both inside and outside this forum. One of the accusation by JPR is the validity of their license.

Granted, anyone reading that thread will understand that his accusation is baseless, borderline a witch-hunt. But, as OP said that JPR also attack them outside the forum, they can perhaps use this occasion as a media to thwart that baseless accusation --that Blackjack-fun ever operated without license-- that can reach people outside the forum, perhaps those who do further DD after reading the smear campaign, or OP themselves can redirect them to read this thread to get a better insight.

[nutildah]

I sympathize with OP in this case: it is clear they are being unfairly hounded by someone with real mental and/or emotional problems.

As far as the licensing thing is concerned, I know that a casino's reputation for doing good by their customers completely outweighs whatever credibility a license can provide, and blackjack.fun seems to excel in this regard.

As far as what can be accomplished on the forum, the neutral rating I left for JackpotRacer almost four years ago now still adequately sums what anyone can expect when having to deal with him (and I truly sympathize for those that fall under his crosshairs):

nutildah

2020-03-02

While I do not trust users who allow themselves to be "scammed" so frequently, that in itself is not worthy of a negative trust. I do recommend avoiding engaging in any business with this user as they have an extremely poor attitude and tend to complain (a lot) if things don't go exactly as they hoped. Check previous feedback both given and received for examples.

Not sure what further action should be taken at the moment.

[Pmalek]

Whatever they did with this, I don't believe they will publicly present the current situation here. Imagine if they said here that they haven't fixed the bug yet, wouldn't that encourage potential scammers to start abusing this bug?
Also, if they had solved the issue, I guess that they would have announced it officially because the avoidance of the answer can be interpreted differently.

The existence of the bug is already known because JackpotRacer made it public. If what he said is true, both he and at least one more person know how to abuse said bug to win a round of blackjack in an unfair way.

By not contradicting the existence of the bug, Blackjack.fun has, in a way, admitted that it does exist.
All software have bugs, and you can't prevent it. The way you deal with them is what counts. If Blackjack.fun allows people to make real-money wagers on a game that is buggy and can be exploited, we need to question their honesty. You just can't have that and not inform your players about it. The right course of action is fixing the bug asap and removing it from your game portfolio until that happens. Otherwise, you are dishonest because you are allowing your players to wager their money on a game that can be manipulated.     

[The Sceptical Chymist]

As a Hero member of this community I think I somehow support them because they paid me for the task and which's enough for me to understand that they aren't unjust people and they really value good work. If they can support those who completes a task for them then I believe they also support their players.

I have no idea whether Blackjack.fun is legit or not and have no opinion as of yet, but I have to say that just because they paid you for a task does not mean they're completely honest.  I've seen plenty of very shady exchanges and services pay their signature campaign participants over the years, so you really have to look at the entire track record of whatever casino/service/etc. you're trying to judge.

And man, JackpotRacer rings a bell in my head from years back.  He's been complaining about one thing or another (or it could just be this one thing) for a long time if I recall correctly.  For some reason, I'm connecting his username with that altcoin RBIES that guaranteed a buyback price from its creators....but I haven't checked his post history yet. 

[SamReomo]

I have no idea whether Blackjack.fun is legit or not and have no opinion as of yet, but I have to say that just because they paid you for a task does not mean they're completely honest.  I've seen plenty of very shady exchanges and services pay their signature campaign participants over the years, so you really have to look at the entire track record of whatever casino/service/etc. you're trying to judge.

I agree with you, I believe what you have said is very true. They have paid me that's true but I'm not a player of their platform and I guess a player should know better that how they treat them. But, whatever I said in my comment was purely unbiased cause I personally got paid by them for the task, however I have noticed a very strange thing about their support team.

Their support team seems to be very slow in replying and that's not a good sign I guess. If someone has to do business for long term then they should try to have an active support team. Other than late replies, I haven't found anything wrong about them. I guess they have created this thread to get support from the community so they might be able to do their activities on this forum once again.

That's why I posted my remarks about them so it might be helpful for them to regrow on this forum. They haven't scammed anyone and that's a good sign I guess. So, lets see how they will perform here after a come back. I believe a good platform should always be ready to answer criticism. Running away from it is the not way to go. Only because of JackpotRacer, they have gotten backward steps which isn't good at all.

[JollyGood]

Personally, what I hope can be the outcome of that point is a way for blackjack-fun to clear their reputation and invalidate JPR's claim, both inside and outside this forum. One of the accusation by JPR is the validity of their license.

How would they (or any other online gaming website for that matter) be able to prove to a satisfactory level that will be accepted by most members here that they have indeed operated with appropriate licences at all times? When you click the Anjouan licence validator link it does not show the date the licence was issued yet it does confirm they licence is currently valid.

From my perspective, if they did not have a licence for the overlap period of the Curacao licence expiring and the Anjouan licence being issued, it is not that much of a big issue but them stating they had it and it turns out they did not have it is something that will damage their reputation and raise trust issues.

And man, JackpotRacer rings a bell in my head from years back.  He's been complaining about one thing or another (or it could just be this one thing) for a long time if I recall correctly.

He seems to be a serial complainer but I have been unable to work out his modus operandi.

[JackpotRacer]

Whatever they did with this, I don't believe they will publicly present the current situation here. Imagine if they said here that they haven't fixed the bug yet, wouldn't that encourage potential scammers to start abusing this bug?
Also, if they had solved the issue, I guess that they would have announced it officially because the avoidance of the answer can be interpreted differently.

The existence of the bug is already known because JackpotRacer made it public. If what he said is true, both he and at least one more person know how to abuse said bug to win a round of blackjack in an unfair way.

By not contradicting the existence of the bug, Blackjack.fun has, in a way, admitted that it does exist.
All software have bugs, and you can't prevent it. The way you deal with them is what counts. If Blackjack.fun allows people to make real-money wagers on a game that is buggy and can be exploited, we need to question their honesty. You just can't have that and not inform your players about it. The right course of action is fixing the bug asap and removing it from your game portfolio until that happens. Otherwise, you are dishonest because you are allowing your players to wager their money on a game that can be manipulated.     

Finally a very fair comment!

The bug was there and even Blackjack.fun admitted it as they banned me from playing and connecting to the games after players complained about me using this exploit. I have the proof in a DM where Blackjack.fun told me about the players complaining about me that I used this timer exploit. even they will say Yes they fixed it how can you check it? I could but I am not allowed to play. so ask yourself why don't they prove it that it is fixed? IMO they did not fix it as they could easily prove it if they fixed it. but still if they fixed it just let them prove it to their current and future customers.

the other postings till now are only brown nosed ones and signature show offs

And man, JackpotRacer rings a bell in my head from years back.  He's been complaining about one thing or another (or it could just be this one thing) for a long time if I recall correctly.  For some reason, I'm connecting his username with that altcoin RBIES that guaranteed a buyback price from its creators....but I haven't checked his post history yet. 

@The Sceptical Chymist
so read back and check who scammed and was scammed with the RBIES and you are welcome to apologize!

[Pmalek]

Finally a very fair comment!

Lol, knock it off! I was both on the praising and criticizing end of your comments in your scam accusation thread, remember? First your praised me for being the only one that pays attention and knows what they are talking about, then you called me a disappointment and signature spammer when I concluded that no scam happened. You need to stop determining someone's fairness based on if they agree with you or not.

Back to the case...

The bug was there and even Blackjack.fun admitted it as they banned me from playing and connecting to the games after players complained about me using this exploit. I have the proof in a DM where Blackjack.fun told me about the players complaining about me that I used this timer exploit. even they will say Yes they fixed it how can you check it? I could but I am not allowed to play. so ask yourself why don't they prove it that it is fixed? IMO they did not fix it as they could easily prove it if they fixed it. but still if they fixed it just let them prove it to their current and future customers.

Can you post the proof you have here? Screenshots can be faked, but still it would be interesting to see it.

Tell you what. Go and create a second account on Blackjack.fun. Try to use the timer exploit bug and show the community that it's still there. If you can do that, and it's obvious beyond any doubt that Blackjack.fun hosts games whose results can be manipulated, I will give them a negative rating, warning the community not to play the game in question until they fix it.

To be clear, is the bug you discovered present in real-money games? I don't remember if I asked that before. I am asking about games where I have to deposit my own money to participate? I don't care if it's some sort of beta/testing/fun more/demo games.

@Eva and Blackjack.Fun
Are you going to continue playing the I am blind and stupid game or are you going to shed some light on the possible vulnerabilities in your games?

[holydarkness]

[...]

Tell you what. Go and create a second account on Blackjack.fun. Try to use the timer exploit bug and show the community that it's still there. If you can do that, and it's obvious beyond any doubt that Blackjack.fun hosts games whose results can be manipulated, I will give them a negative rating, warning the community not to play the game in question until they fix it.

To get it out in the open, that will be a violation of their ToS. But I think if they gives permission, that "breach" can be an exception.

To be clear, is the bug you discovered present in real-money games? I don't remember if I asked that before. I am asking about games where I have to deposit my own money to participate? I don't care if it's some sort of beta/testing/fun more/demo games.

I don't think you've asked about that matter. And to answer, It's free tournaments with real "money" reward [mBTC, USDT, TRX], if I am not mistaken. The games and tournaments itself, is intended for beta testing.


Edit: then I thought, "mehh... why not dig a little?" And I jumped into JPR's posts. I think --unless I understand it wrongly-- my memory serves me correctly. Below is the complete post of JPR's on OP's thread that I think is the beginning of this issue, indicating that it's a free game.

@blackjack.fun

I love blackjack and blackjack tournaments and after playing a few freerolls I would like to give you some well-intentioned feedback. I know it is still in beta

I apologize if the points I will mention have already been made.

The rebet option should always be there and not just for a second.

Same for balance! I want to be able to see my balance during the tournament instead of having to leave the table to check the leaderboard

Next to the balance you could easily add the current rank of the leaderboard.

The split option you use is terrible as you only show one of the 2 splits. you should always show the 2 hands of the split.

Please let me tell you what happened to me a couple of times during the free roll tournaments. I would not mention it if it was a one-time glitch.

One time I was even the chip leader with about 8 minutes to go and then I could not bet any chips.
I tried all the chips but it did not help.
I did a hard refresh but it did not help.
Then I logged out and logged back in and again it did not help.

I would like to reiterate that the feedback is well-intentioned

another question I have is if you accept FUN Token as deposit?

cheers

And another,

Guys. Thank you for participating on our Freeroll tournaments.

[...]

great attitude as this is the way to go. beta is for bug fixing and feedback is most important

good luck and cheers

[Pmalek]

To get it out in the open, that will be a violation of their ToS. But I think if they gives permission, that "breach" can be an exception.

9/10 casinos don't allow multiple accounts, but the purpose of doing the test is to see whether or not the game in question is vulnerable to manipulation and thus doesn't deserve to go live and accept real money wagers.

I don't think you've asked about that matter. And to answer, It's free tournaments with real "money" reward [mBTC, USDT, TRX], if I am not mistaken. The games and tournaments itself, is intended for beta testing.

In that case, it's the lesser of two evils. Even though you might cheat someone out of their reward, they didn't lose the money they came to the casino with. That is all assuming we aren't speaking of real-money wagers, and I am not sure we are. Blackjack.Fun has a cashier section. You can generate addresses and deposit to them. The question now is, can those real funds be used to play the problematic games? Is it just me or has Blackjack.Fun been in a beta phase forever? 

[holydarkness]

To get it out in the open, that will be a violation of their ToS. But I think if they gives permission, that "breach" can be an exception.

9/10 casinos don't allow multiple accounts, but the purpose of doing the test is to see whether or not the game in question is vulnerable to manipulation and thus doesn't deserve to go live and accept real money wagers.

I don't think you've asked about that matter. And to answer, It's free tournaments with real "money" reward [mBTC, USDT, TRX], if I am not mistaken. The games and tournaments itself, is intended for beta testing.

In that case, it's the lesser of two evils. Even though you might cheat someone out of their reward, they didn't lose the money they came to the casino with. That is all assuming we aren't speaking of real-money wagers, and I am not sure we are. Blackjack.Fun has a cashier section. You can generate addresses and deposit to them. The question now is, can those real funds be used to play the problematic games? Is it just me or has Blackjack.Fun been in a beta phase forever? 

I don't think I understand how is this a concept of the lesser of two evils. Unless I understand things wrongly, JPR entered a freeroll games intended for beta testing, where the players was looking for bugs and reported them to the BJF to be fixed, thus improving the system security and gaming experience once it's launched.

JPR met someone who exploited a bug [his encounter was what he complained above], got annoyed and tried to find the bug. Once he found and be sure of it, instead of reporting it to the admin, he choose to use the knowledge to retaliate to the user who wronged him in the first place, over and over, in a way of passive-aggresively telling that user that he knows about the exploit too and was giving that user a taste of his own medicine, disregarding the bad experience other users at the table encountered due to this retaliation.

Users on the table reported JPR to their admin, and long story short, he got banned. And here we are. Anyone is free to correct me if I understand things wrongly, though.

[JollyGood]

In the meantime, where is the Blackjack.fun forum representative Eva when it comes to posting here? This thread was created by her to repel against what she cited as unfair/unjust attacks on the reputation of the casino yet she has been largely absent from the conversation including not addressing questions that some of the community sincerely feel should have been answered by now.

[Pmalek]

I don't think I understand how is this a concept of the lesser of two evils. Unless I understand things wrongly...

I wasn't talking about JackpotRacer's actions. I was talking about the bug in Blackjack.Fun's game that allows the outcome to be manipulated. It's a lesser evil if that bug is present in a beta environment where you aren't depositing and playing with your own money. It would be worse if someone could use the bug against you in a real-money game where you deposited your own money. Imagine you are playing the game and it looks like you will win, but due to a bug they haven't fixed, you lose the round?

In the meantime, where is the Blackjack.fun forum representative Eva when it comes to posting here? This thread was created by her to repel against what she cited as unfair/unjust attacks on the reputation of the casino yet she has been largely absent from the conversation including not addressing questions that some of the community sincerely feel should have been answered by now.

If I can venture a guess, she doesn't like the direction the thread has taken. It's no longer just about JackpotRacer's wrongdoings, which have already been established, it's also about whether or not the casino and the people running it are capable of hosting a fair game that can't be cheated by those who know how to.

[JollyGood]

That is similar to what I was beginning to think. It is safe to put aside anything related to JackpotRacer and his claims against blackjack.fun (at least until/unless further evidence is put forward or more allegations are made).

Therefore the logical aspect of this thread has to be the outstanding questions related to their operations.

To my knowledge, they have not had any serious scam allegations made against them therefore (as I mentioned before) even if there was an issue where the Curacao licence might have expired and the Anjouan licence might have started, it would not be as serious an issue as them stating they had the licence at all times but it turns out they were not covered. If that happened it will damage their reputation and could raise trust issues.

Regarding the provably fair questions, we are all in the dark until/unless she replies.

In the meantime, where is the Blackjack.fun forum representative Eva when it comes to posting here? This thread was created by her to repel against what she cited as unfair/unjust attacks on the reputation of the casino yet she has been largely absent from the conversation including not addressing questions that some of the community sincerely feel should have been answered by now.

If I can venture a guess, she doesn't like the direction the thread has taken. It's no longer just about JackpotRacer's wrongdoings, which have already been established, it's also about whether or not the casino and the people running it are capable of hosting a fair game that can't be cheated by those who know how to.

[Timelord2067]

I seem to recall you bad-mouthing others (myself included) in the past - now you cry foul?

Really?

[Pmalek]

It is safe to put aside anything related to JackpotRacer and his claims against blackjack.fun (at least until/unless further evidence is put forward or more allegations are made).

No scam has happened so that subject is off the table for me.

To my knowledge, they have not had any serious scam allegations made against them therefore (as I mentioned before) even if there was an issue where the Curacao licence might have expired and the Anjouan licence might have started, it would not be as serious an issue as them stating they had the licence at all all times but it turns out they were not covered.

I consider this a secondary importance. A casino and the people running it can be trustworthy even if their business is unlicensed and vice versa. It doesn't look good if they are lying about it or showing the wrong one (which was the case here), but if they are not stealing from and scamming their players, then it's not a problem.

The area where JackpotRacer could be useful is if he can prove that the casino is (still) running games that can easily be manipulated. That's something the community should know about and decide for themselves if they want to trust such a casino with their money. 

[JollyGood]

A list of affected games would be a good start as it would allows others to go and check for themselves. If there was a bug to exploit after it was reported, surely it would show negligent conduct by the blackjack.fun team if they did not find a way to fix it. The silence from blackjack.fun really does not help the situation.

The area where JackpotRacer could be useful is if he can prove that the casino is (still) running games that can easily be manipulated. That's something the community should know about and decide for themselves if they want to trust such a casino with their money. 

[holydarkness]

[...]

Regarding the provably fair questions, we are all in the dark until/unless she replies.

I thought this part was partially covered by khaled0111, the Provably Fair method that they provide are only applicable for their in-house game. Games from other providers are... somewhat questionable.

If this is true, I think they should make a clear distinction, a different page or even a simple border in their page separating their PF game and the ones that can't be verified.

[JollyGood]

I welcome the comments from all members and those that are answering (correctly no doubt) questions posed to blackjack.fun but until they themselves clarify the situation there will be uncertainty. If what was written is true, blackjack.fun (Eva) should confirm it.

The latter part of your post is the best way to remedy the situation on their website, I have previously asked Eva about whether anything can be done to advise players about which games are and are not provably fair as the image on the website gives the impression all the games are.

Eva (blackjack.fun forum representative) has logged in today yet her last post was made on 23rd February. It is a shame she is not even posting here if just to state the questions will be answered when their owners provide a reply. The silence does not reflect well on them.

[...]

Regarding the provably fair questions, we are all in the dark until/unless she replies.

I thought this part was partially covered by khaled0111, the Provably Fair method that they provide are only applicable for their in-house game. Games from other providers are... somewhat questionable.

If this is true, I think they should make a clear distinction, a different page or even a simple border in their page separating their PF game and the ones that can't be verified.

[blackjack.fun]

Hello, everyone!

I'm quickly catching up with everything here. Have I missed any unanswered questions? It was suggested by you guys to make a post, and while our time is limited, I'm eager to answer all queries. Some of the questions about licenses have been covered already. Our legal department has already provided responses as well. It's not a matter of me having a choice over it. The decisions are based on legal considerations, and we're following the guidance provided by them. The question regarding provably fair has also been addressed. Questions about our Blackjack Tournaments and bugs are on the table, but rest assured, nobody should be concerned as no one is taking any risks in this stage. The entire process is still in development. The entire concept is about collaboratively building Blackjack Tournaments with our community. It's completely acceptable to have an unfinished product with bugs at this stage—it's the core of the idea. Our aim is to peacefully construct our project with our community without any external dramas.

Eva

[JackpotRacer]

Hello, everyone!

I'm quickly catching up with everything here. Have I missed any unanswered questions? It was suggested by you guys to make a post, and while our time is limited, I'm eager to answer all queries. Some of the questions about licenses have been covered already. Our legal department has already provided responses as well. It's not a matter of me having a choice over it. The decisions are based on legal considerations, and we're following the guidance provided by them. The question regarding provably fair has also been addressed. Questions about our Blackjack Tournaments and bugs are on the table, but rest assured, nobody should be concerned as no one is taking any risks in this stage. The entire process is still in development. The entire concept is about collaboratively building Blackjack Tournaments with our community. It's completely acceptable to have an unfinished product with bugs at this stage—it's the core of the idea. Our aim is to peacefully construct our project with our community without any external dramas.

Eva

As always, talking a lot and saying nothing

what about the forced bonus on your customers?

[blackjack.fun]

As always, talking a lot and saying nothing

what about the forced bonus on your customers?

Ah, this is how the "Ignore" function works. Okay, I've activated it now. It was suggested a long time ago already.

[JollyGood]

I honestly am astounded at what I am reading from you Eva because if you are catching up you would have read the list of questions and concerns and answered them accordingly.

Before asking any other questions related to licences or anything else, please answer these three questions (though 1 and 2 could overlap in your answers):

1- kindly explain why there is a provably fair logo on the blackjack.fun website when not all of the games are provably fair
2- kindly explain if you think it appropriate for blackjack.fun to display that provably fair logo when not all of the games are provably fair
3- kindly explain what you intend to do about displaying the misleading provably fair logo

Hello, everyone!

I'm quickly catching up with everything here. Have I missed any unanswered questions? It was suggested by you guys to make a post, and while our time is limited, I'm eager to answer all queries. Some of the questions about licenses have been covered already. Our legal department has already provided responses as well. It's not a matter of me having a choice over it. The decisions are based on legal considerations, and we're following the guidance provided by them. The question regarding provably fair has also been addressed. Questions about our Blackjack Tournaments and bugs are on the table, but rest assured, nobody should be concerned as no one is taking any risks in this stage. The entire process is still in development. The entire concept is about collaboratively building Blackjack Tournaments with our community. It's completely acceptable to have an unfinished product with bugs at this stage—it's the core of the idea. Our aim is to peacefully construct our project with our community without any external dramas.

Eva

[blackjack.fun]

I honestly am astounded at what I am reading from you Eva because if you are catching up you would have read the list of questions and concerns and answered them accordingly.

Before asking any other questions related to licences or anything else, please answer these three questions (though 1 and 2 could overlap in your answers):

1- kindly explain why there is a provably fair logo on the blackjack.fun website when not all of the games are provably fair
2- kindly explain if you think it appropriate for blackjack.fun to display that provably fair logo when not all of the games are provably fair
3- kindly explain what you intend to do about displaying the misleading provably fair logo

Hello, everyone!

I'm quickly catching up with everything here. Have I missed any unanswered questions? It was suggested by you guys to make a post, and while our time is limited, I'm eager to answer all queries. Some of the questions about licenses have been covered already. Our legal department has already provided responses as well. It's not a matter of me having a choice over it. The decisions are based on legal considerations, and we're following the guidance provided by them. The question regarding provably fair has also been addressed. Questions about our Blackjack Tournaments and bugs are on the table, but rest assured, nobody should be concerned as no one is taking any risks in this stage. The entire process is still in development. The entire concept is about collaboratively building Blackjack Tournaments with our community. It's completely acceptable to have an unfinished product with bugs at this stage—it's the core of the idea. Our aim is to peacefully construct our project with our community without any external dramas.

Eva

I will leave a note for the UX team regarding this issue, so they can work on finding a solution to ensure that the small sign is not misleading.

[JackpotRacer]

As always, talking a lot and saying nothing

what about the forced bonus on your customers?

Ah, this is how the "Ignore" function works. Okay, I've activated it now. It was suggested a long time ago already.

Surely you will ignore legit questions!

you should read this posting (new)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63754300#msg63754300

here is the text in full and it is very Spot On!

of the many tips on bad signs that you should pay close attention when using or wanting to use a site and the level of bonus given and whether the bonus is constantly being offered, this is because a casino is in bankruptcy and the owner wants to disappear with the people's money is constantly offering bonuses for people to deposit money and then it disappears with people's money, I hope this is not the case with Blackjack.fun. When I saw about this bonus I was wondering what was the point in offering bonuses to all members, but a bonus where the requirements are impossible to meet? In terms of marketing to bring customers back, I don't see how this action would entice people to return to the casino

It is known that most people like bonuses, but bonuses that they can withdraw, I wonder why casinos don't change their strategies regarding bonuses, instead of placing absurd requirements they could explore options in which the casino could win a lot and the customer could also win, something like offering a bonus for example to a person who deposits 10$ plays and loses everything and wins 2$, in other words the bonus would be that when the person deposits, plays and loses everything they could win a bonus of 20% of the amount she deposited and could withdraw this amount without any conditions, most players would use this same bonus amount to continue playing and this would attract people because at the end of the day the casino would be the one that would earn the most, rather than talking about a bonus in which no one can claim

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

It is known that most people like bonuses, but bonuses that they can withdraw, I wonder why casinos don't change their strategies regarding bonuses, instead of placing absurd requirements they could explore options in which the casino could win a lot and the customer could also win, something like offering a bonus for example to a person who deposits 10$ plays and loses everything and wins 2$, in other words the bonus would be that when the person deposits, plays and loses everything they could win a bonus of 20% of the amount she deposited and could withdraw this amount without any conditions, most players would use this same bonus amount to continue playing and this would attract people because at the end of the day the casino would be the one that would earn the most, rather than talking about a bonus in which no one can claim

Very well said.

When bonus are too complicated to get anything back as cash then bonus itself fails.

In sportsbet they offer free bets and in the free bet whatever you will, you will keep that minus the free bet amount. It's an easy money for clients [not easy although but they think], some wins and that excitement keeps them coming to the bookmaker and deposit more. Even if you lose, you feel an emptiness and decides to deposit your own money to continue betting.

I saw some casinos offered 30x or even 200x wager. For me 2x wager is okay but when I see 5x wager and more, I start to lose interest even to try the offer.

[blackjack.fun]

Greetings everyone,

We are open to experimenting with various types of bonuses based on the creative ideas we generate.

Meanwhile the UX team has made the decision to remove the provably fair badge from the site. This step is taken to prevent any potential misconceptions, ensuring that users do not mistakenly assume that all games on the platform are provably fair.

Admin Eva

[JackpotRacer]

Greetings everyone,

We are open to experimenting with various types of bonuses based on the creative ideas we generate.

Meanwhile the UX team has made the decision to remove the provably fair badge from the site. This step is taken to prevent any potential misconceptions, ensuring that users do not mistakenly assume that all games on the platform are provably fair.

Admin Eva

This sounds that actually no game is Provably Fair. Why not telling your players and us which game is Provably Fair and which games are not. should be easy for you as the owner and Developer. removing the Provably Badge actually says all your games are not Provably Fair. and if so just say it out loud

[JollyGood]

I think I would speak for many members that removing a provably fair image was the right thing to do if not all the games were provably fair therefore it is a welcomed move.

Having said that, is it possible for you to ask the relevant department to explain why they added a provably fair logo on the website when not all the games being played were provably fair?

Also, please ask them to explain how blackjack.fun customers can be sure to trust them or any casino they are playing on when they cannot verify for themselves they are not being cheated.

Greetings everyone,

We are open to experimenting with various types of bonuses based on the creative ideas we generate.

Meanwhile the UX team has made the decision to remove the provably fair badge from the site. This step is taken to prevent any potential misconceptions, ensuring that users do not mistakenly assume that all games on the platform are provably fair.

Admin Eva

[holydarkness]

I will leave a note for the UX team regarding this issue, so they can work on finding a solution to ensure that the small sign is not misleading.

Brushing your previous statement about small sign, to make it clear to you as I somehow get an impression that you think it is a minor issue, most gamblers actually seek that "small sign" when they access a gambling platform and would much prefer the ones with PF.

When a casino provide a PF claim in form of that logo, they're expected to be able to prove that their games [as the name suggested] are provably fair. It is not a simple statement, it is a commitment. There are instances where a game provider tweak their script and temporarily make their game non-PF, or where a provider actually can't provide a platform for player to verify their game. Upon being notified or coming to their own awareneness of this issue, the casinos that host games of these providers will immediately take that matter into their hand and see it through. And those casinos are big casinos.

Just to give you an idea how crucial and important of that "small logo" brings.

Moving on to your decision to remove the logo, I appreciate the move. Alternatively, you can make a distinct separation of PF game [your own game] with the ones that are not PF.

This sounds that actually no game is Provably Fair. Why not telling your players and us which game is Provably Fair and which games are not. should be easy for you as the owner and Developer. removing the Provably Badge actually says all your games are not Provably Fair. and if so just say it out loud

This coming from someone who barks at everyone to read the whole posts on his thread? Have you try to do your own suggestion? Because it seems you did not read every posts on this thread. If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

[JackpotRacer]

I will leave a note for the UX team regarding this issue, so they can work on finding a solution to ensure that the small sign is not misleading.

Brushing your previous statement about small sign, to make it clear to you as I somehow get an impression that you think it is a minor issue, most gamblers actually seek that "small sign" when they access a gambling platform and would much prefer the ones with PF.

When a casino provide a PF claim in form of that logo, they're expected to be able to prove that their games [as the name suggested] are provably fair. It is not a simple statement, it is a commitment. There are instances where a game provider tweak their script and temporarily make their game non-PF, or where a provider actually can't provide a platform for player to verify their game. Upon being notified or coming to their own awareneness of this issue, the casinos that host games of these providers will immediately take that matter into their hand and see it through. And those casinos are big casinos.

Just to give you an idea how crucial and important of that "small logo" brings.

Moving on to your decision to remove the logo, I appreciate the move. Alternatively, you can make a distinct separation of PF game [your own game] with the ones that are not PF.

This sounds that actually no game is Provably Fair. Why not telling your players and us which game is Provably Fair and which games are not. should be easy for you as the owner and Developer. removing the Provably Badge actually says all your games are not Provably Fair. and if so just say it out loud

This coming from someone who barks at everyone to read the whole posts on his thread? Have you try to do your own suggestion? Because it seems you did not read every posts on this thread. If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

You are a clown for me as you think it will help to attack me!

What do you understand under

.......If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

who cares about > at least 1 game PF <

why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF

it is nowhere written which games are PF which means you could not read it and same for me, so stop your BS and stupid attacks as it is not helpful for Blackjack.fun if you really want to help them and play their lawyer

[holydarkness]

You are a clown for me as you think it will help to attack me!

What do you understand under

.......If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

who cares about > at least 1 game PF <

why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF

it is nowhere written which games are PF which means you could not read it and same for me, so stop your BS and stupid attacks as it is not helpful for Blackjack.fun if you really want to help them and play their lawyer

Umm... have you read this post?

No. The provably fair here refers to their in-house games, only. They have two of them Blackjack and Red or Black and, if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).
Some of the other games from third party providers are pf but not all of them. This is something out of blackjack.fun's control as they are not the one who developed those games.

[JackpotRacer]

You are a clown for me as you think it will help to attack me!

What do you understand under

.......If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

who cares about > at least 1 game PF <

why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF

it is nowhere written which games are PF which means you could not read it and same for me, so stop your BS and stupid attacks as it is not helpful for Blackjack.fun if you really want to help them and play their lawyer

Umm... have you read this post?

No. The provably fair here refers to their in-house games, only. They have two of them Blackjack and Red or Black and, if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).
Some of the other games from third party providers are pf but not all of them. This is something out of blackjack.fun's control as they are not the one who developed those games.

LOL you are really a clown!

I read everything and understand everything, unlike you.

......... if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).

You read the same as we all read, but you don't understand as always, so maybe just stop, because you're just embarrassing yourself.

let me explain ELI5

>if memory serves him well< LOL

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)< LOL

do you understand what it means >if memory serves him well<


and

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)<

read again and again until you understand it!

I can tell if they fixed the exploit! but ask yourself why Blackjack.fun does not show and prove that they fixed the exploit?

very easy answer for every one with average IQ

[holydarkness]

Umm... have you read this post?

No. The provably fair here refers to their in-house games, only. They have two of them Blackjack and Red or Black and, if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).
Some of the other games from third party providers are pf but not all of them. This is something out of blackjack.fun's control as they are not the one who developed those games.

LOL you are really a clown!

I read everything and understand everything, unlike you.

......... if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).

You read the same as we all read, but you don't understand as always, so maybe just stop, because you're just embarrassing yourself.

let me explain ELI5

>if memory serves him well< LOL

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)< LOL

do you understand what it means >if memory serves him well<


and

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)<

read again and again until you understand it!

Hmm... yeah, we can understand what it means with one of it being provably fair as far as his memory serves him well, combined with a method of proving a fair bet by Eva. Have you read and try to understand it? Perhaps try to read it again and again? Still can't? Ok, here, let me help break it down to you:

You asked which game is PF, and that information was served to you, in form of a quote from past post, as it's been mentioned before, and should be known by someone who read the thread well. In short, the answer to your question, "why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF" is "their in-house games, namely "Blackjack" and "Red or Black", although "Red or Black" is a bit in doubt since it's currently inaccessible"

You get it now? Try to read it again slowly if you still can't. It's ok, we won't go anywhere, we'll still be here when you finished reading them and understand what it said.

I can tell if they fixed the exploit! but ask yourself why Blackjack.fun does not show and prove that they fixed the exploit?

Pretty much I covered this in your own thread?

very easy answer for every one with average IQ

Talking about IQ, actually, the post by khaled0111 as well as most of the posts on this thread and the situation regarding PF can be understood easily by anyone with average IQ. But I can understand that someone with the level of IQ like yours sometimes find it difficult to understand. After all, one can seriously injure themselves if they climb to the height of your ego and jump to the level of your IQ. [Yep, that's me being a clown and make a joke]

[Pmalek]

@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.

[OgNasty]

Good luck.  LOL

Just look at my trust ratings.  I have some negatives from DT members and have protected tens of millions of dollars for people here while never misplacing so much as a satoshi.  Unfortunately, people would rather weaponize trolls against those they disagree with than have a legitimate trust network.  OP's post is even merited by a user who includes a proven extortionist in his trust network.  The hypocrisy among users here is off the charts.  Sadly, those who stand up to the abusers are targeted for years here while regular people stay silent in hopes they won't become the next target.  

[Vod]

Good luck.  LOL

Just look at my trust ratings.  I have some negatives from DT members and have protected tens of millions of dollars for people here while never misplacing so much as a satoshi.  Unfortunately, people would rather weaponize trolls against those they disagree with than have a legitimate trust network.  OP's post is even merited by a user who includes a proven extortionist in his trust network.  The hypocrisy among users here is off the charts.  Sadly, those who stand up to the abusers are targeted for years here while regular people stay silent in hopes they won't become the next target.  

yawn.  Everyone knows what you did bozo.   Do you really not remember?  (see my sig)

No one should be scared of being OG's next target - now is the time to stand up!

[JackpotRacer]

@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.

@Pmalek

To be honest, I have not given up on the idea of testing again to see if Blackjack.fun has fixed the timer exploit.
BUT
also to be honest, I did not want to register with a different name and VPN. I asked Blackjack.fun a few times to donate the crypto they owe me and to allow me to play again to look for bugs. as they did not agree and this was really an offer they could easily agree as they even offered me 100USDT if I will test for more bugs/exploits which I did not agree to as it looked very fishy to me not paying about 30USDT but offering me 100USDT.

I really wanted to help them as I like Blackjack and I like fair games.

why did they not officially confirm that they fixed this exploit? or did I miss it?

If they would be fair and appreciate my work (actually for free) as I did not ask for any withdrawal, they could let me in to check if they fixed it, but only if members here would agree to check if they fixed it. surely everyone can trust them that they fixed it. But I don't trust them because they have been acting very strange and fishy so far.

IMHO, it is never too late for them to prove to their customers that they really are legit and that they run a fair casino.

I hope you understand my point and if I am wrong please point me to where I am wrong

Cheers

[ineedhelpplease]

Good luck.  LOL

Just look at my trust ratings.  I have some negatives from DT members and have protected tens of millions of dollars for people here while never misplacing so much as a satoshi.  Unfortunately, people would rather weaponize trolls against those they disagree with than have a legitimate trust network.  OP's post is even merited by a user who includes a proven extortionist in his trust network.  The hypocrisy among users here is off the charts.  Sadly, those who stand up to the abusers are targeted for years here while regular people stay silent in hopes they won't become the next target.  

yawn.  Everyone knows what you did bozo.   Do you really not remember?  (see my sig)

No one should be scared of being OG's next target - now is the time to stand up!

I would've quit Bitcointalk by now but seeing this drama still continue is the biggest reason why I'm still around. I will try to be here for every moment of this.

[holydarkness]

@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.

@Pmalek

To be honest, I have not given up on the idea of testing again to see if Blackjack.fun has fixed the timer exploit.
BUT
also to be honest, I did not want to register with a different name and VPN. I asked Blackjack.fun a few times to donate the crypto they owe me and to allow me to play again to look for bugs. as they did not agree and this was really an offer they could easily agree as they even offered me 100USDT if I will test for more bugs/exploits which I did not agree to as it looked very fishy to me not paying about 30USDT but offering me 100USDT.

I really wanted to help them as I like Blackjack and I like fair games.

Alternatively, you can ask someone here you trusted enough if they're willing to bear the burden of the task and create an account on BJF [if they haven't already], and tell them about the exploit so they can test it on your behalf.

If they would be fair and appreciate my work (actually for free) as I did not ask for any withdrawal, they could let me in to check if they fixed it, but only if members here would agree to check if they fixed it. surely everyone can trust them that they fixed it. But I don't trust them because they have been acting very strange and fishy so far.

IMHO, it is never too late for them to prove to their customers that they really are legit and that they run a fair casino.

I hope you understand my point and if I am wrong please point me to where I am wrong

Cheers

OP, Eva, or whoever representative reading this thread, your title is asking a support from the community while you stand strong against an unjust attack, so here's your chance to prove and meet him in the middle, that you're fair and the attack is unjust. Clarify about that bug, or let BJF regain temporary access to his account to test it himself and thus nullify his statement and the "unjust attack".

You can arrange a deal with him to have a screen recording for the whole time he accessed your site or perhaps even a screen-share, if you're concerned he will do other things beside testing the bug.

Or that you, perhaps, have scraped that game altogether, and it'll never see the light of the day anymore? It was a beta game, if I am not mistaken?

[blackjack.fun]

@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.

@Pmalek

To be honest, I have not given up on the idea of testing again to see if Blackjack.fun has fixed the timer exploit.
BUT
also to be honest, I did not want to register with a different name and VPN. I asked Blackjack.fun a few times to donate the crypto they owe me and to allow me to play again to look for bugs. as they did not agree and this was really an offer they could easily agree as they even offered me 100USDT if I will test for more bugs/exploits which I did not agree to as it looked very fishy to me not paying about 30USDT but offering me 100USDT.

I really wanted to help them as I like Blackjack and I like fair games.

Alternatively, you can ask someone here you trusted enough if they're willing to bear the burden of the task and create an account on BJF [if they haven't already], and tell them about the exploit so they can test it on your behalf.

If they would be fair and appreciate my work (actually for free) as I did not ask for any withdrawal, they could let me in to check if they fixed it, but only if members here would agree to check if they fixed it. surely everyone can trust them that they fixed it. But I don't trust them because they have been acting very strange and fishy so far.

IMHO, it is never too late for them to prove to their customers that they really are legit and that they run a fair casino.

I hope you understand my point and if I am wrong please point me to where I am wrong

Cheers

OP, Eva, or whoever representative reading this thread, your title is asking a support from the community while you stand strong against an unjust attack, so here's your chance to prove and meet him in the middle, that you're fair and the attack is unjust. Clarify about that bug, or let BJF regain temporary access to his account to test it himself and thus nullify his statement and the "unjust attack".

You can arrange a deal with him to have a screen recording for the whole time he accessed your site or perhaps even a screen-share, if you're concerned he will do other things beside testing the bug.

Or that you, perhaps, have scraped that game altogether, and it'll never see the light of the day anymore? It was a beta game, if I am not mistaken?

Thank you so much holydarkness for attempting to solve it! This means a lot.

Regarding the Blackjack Tournaments, let me please explain the whole concept. We have decided to build our "baby" together with our community. Our brightest blackjack players are shaping our product from scratch, right from the very early stage. This means that it is completely fine to have millions of bugs because it is not a ready product, and no player is taking any risks. Currently, it is not possible to place any bets with real money. So, it is entirely acceptable. Discussing the bugs is not relevant because that is the whole concept. A partially completed product is live on the site simply to grant access to our community members.

Eva

[JackpotRacer]

@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.

@Pmalek

To be honest, I have not given up on the idea of testing again to see if Blackjack.fun has fixed the timer exploit.
BUT
also to be honest, I did not want to register with a different name and VPN. I asked Blackjack.fun a few times to donate the crypto they owe me and to allow me to play again to look for bugs. as they did not agree and this was really an offer they could easily agree as they even offered me 100USDT if I will test for more bugs/exploits which I did not agree to as it looked very fishy to me not paying about 30USDT but offering me 100USDT.

I really wanted to help them as I like Blackjack and I like fair games.

Alternatively, you can ask someone here you trusted enough if they're willing to bear the burden of the task and create an account on BJF [if they haven't already], and tell them about the exploit so they can test it on your behalf.

If they would be fair and appreciate my work (actually for free) as I did not ask for any withdrawal, they could let me in to check if they fixed it, but only if members here would agree to check if they fixed it. surely everyone can trust them that they fixed it. But I don't trust them because they have been acting very strange and fishy so far.

IMHO, it is never too late for them to prove to their customers that they really are legit and that they run a fair casino.

I hope you understand my point and if I am wrong please point me to where I am wrong

Cheers

OP, Eva, or whoever representative reading this thread, your title is asking a support from the community while you stand strong against an unjust attack, so here's your chance to prove and meet him in the middle, that you're fair and the attack is unjust. Clarify about that bug, or let BJF regain temporary access to his account to test it himself and thus nullify his statement and the "unjust attack".

You can arrange a deal with him to have a screen recording for the whole time he accessed your site or perhaps even a screen-share, if you're concerned he will do other things beside testing the bug.

Or that you, perhaps, have scraped that game altogether, and it'll never see the light of the day anymore? It was a beta game, if I am not mistaken?

Thank you so much holydarkness for attempting to solve it! This means a lot.

Regarding the Blackjack Tournaments, let me please explain the whole concept. We have decided to build our "baby" together with our community. Our brightest blackjack players are shaping our product from scratch, right from the very early stage. This means that it is completely fine to have millions of bugs because it is not a ready product, and no player is taking any risks. Currently, it is not possible to place any bets with real money. So, it is entirely acceptable. Discussing the bugs is not relevant because that is the whole concept. A partially completed product is live on the site simply to grant access to our community members.

Eva

What kind of answer is that???

you have players who are exploiting the game and you don't want to fix the exploit or prove that you fixed it!

don't you find this strange? player or players who are smart and find an exploit to win and even it is free to play will win again and again!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this sound fair to other players and maybe even loyal players Very unfair for me!

How many years are you offering this game and are working on a bug/exploit free one?

Why don't you prove at least that you fixed the exploit I found
or
Why don't you prove how many times I used this exploit and how much I won with the exploit?

you have all the game logs

and to answer @holydarkness

OP, Eva, or whoever representative reading this thread, your title is asking a support from the community while you stand strong against an unjust attack, so here's your chance to prove and meet him in the middle, that you're fair and the attack is unjust. Clarify about that bug, or let BJF regain temporary access to his account to test it himself and thus nullify his statement and the "unjust attack".

You can arrange a deal with him to have a screen recording for the whole time he accessed your site or perhaps even a screen-share, if you're concerned he will do other things beside testing the bug.

Or that you, perhaps, have scraped that game altogether, and it'll never see the light of the day anymore? It was a beta game, if I am not mistaken?

at least now you are talking to the subject!

they could long ago prove that they fixed it or to show the game logs I played if I exploited the exploit more than once and if I won any money when I found the exploit and used it again and again!

with again and again I mean I used it in same one game only against the one who used the exploit and actually showed me the exploit!

[Pmalek]

This means that it is completely fine to have millions of bugs because it is not a ready product, and no player is taking any risks. Currently, it is not possible to place any bets with real money. So, it is entirely acceptable.

That's good. That's what I have asked like five times already and it seems you answered it now by mistake when another user mentioned it. 

A partially completed product is live on the site simply to grant access to our community members.

Can you provide some more information about this? Is your previous statement still true for this "partially completed product?" Can players wager real money on the live game?

Why don't you prove at least that you fixed the exploit I found
or
Why don't you prove how many times I used this exploit and how much I won with the exploit?

I don't see the point. You have admitted to using the exploit to your advantage several times. Why would they prove you did it when you said you did? I am sure the bug is still there. What Eva is doing is what you would expect a representative to do who protects their business. They are not going to admit there is anything wrong with the product despite them knowing about it. They are not going to go into details about what is wrong. And, when you point out the faults, they will be surprised and tell you it's the first time they hear about it. It's standard marketing bullshit to look good in the public's eyes. Don't pay attention to it.

[OgNasty]

I would've quit Bitcointalk by now but seeing this drama still continue is the biggest reason why I'm still around. I will try to be here for every moment of this.

At this point, I think I’ll probably be paying for my new Cybertruck with all the paid posts I made throughout this drama. So I guess I owe a thank you to all the folks who continue to attack me with lies. Without them I’m not sure I would reach such a wide audience. Just make sure to click that signature and sign up for a Stake account. Turn those negatives into a positive.

[holydarkness]

Thank you so much holydarkness for attempting to solve it! This means a lot.

Regarding the Blackjack Tournaments, let me please explain the whole concept. We have decided to build our "baby" together with our community. Our brightest blackjack players are shaping our product from scratch, right from the very early stage. This means that it is completely fine to have millions of bugs because it is not a ready product, and no player is taking any risks. Currently, it is not possible to place any bets with real money. So, it is entirely acceptable. Discussing the bugs is not relevant because that is the whole concept. A partially completed product is live on the site simply to grant access to our community members.

Eva

I can't believe you actually make me agree with JPR, that you barely answer anything.

Initially, the purpose of this thread, before other issues raised, like license and PF, is for you to defend yourself against unjust attack, namely JPR keeps accusing you on his thread that you scam him [this part is still baseless and he can't clarify which part is scam] and that your bug is still there. And your answer above is as vague as JPR's explanation about how you scammed him.

Even if it's true that no one can bet with real money on that game, and the chance of losing any fund from that game is somewhat nonexistent, it does not diminishes the purpose of that game, or this thread. As you state it yourself, you want to raise a "baby" with your community, and give them an opportunity to build something together. And here is someone [disregarding his ego and IQ] that pointed out a flaw to make sure that it will run smoothly in the future, and yet you're seemingly reluctant to give a clear answer of the real condition of that "baby".

Risking to sound redundant, may I remind you that the main purpose of this thread is to give you a space to defend yourself against JPR? One of the easiest way to tackle his accusations is to address it. Which you're yet to do. So, here we are, to make it simple, related to JPR's accusation of bug, if you can answer this with a yes or no, it will be very much appreciated: has that particular bug [time exploit] be fixed?.

[blackjack.fun]

I will confirm it again. No one can wager any real money on blackjack tournaments. It is simply not ready for it. To come from outside of our community and start complaining about a work in progress is ridiculous. Hopefully, some of you will realize that the whole drama is just an attempt to tarnish our reputation by JackpotRacer.


Of course, there are legitimate areas where we can improve. It's nice to have discussions about it and find solutions, and this is all great. However, more and more, we are observing a narrative war on the forum.

Eva

[JackpotRacer]

I will confirm it again. No one can wager any real money on blackjack tournaments. It is simply not ready for it. To come from outside of our community and start complaining about a work in progress is ridiculous. Hopefully, some of you will realize that the whole drama is just an attempt to tarnish our reputation by JackpotRacer.


Of course, there are legitimate areas where we can improve. It's nice to have discussions about it and find solutions, and this is all great. However, more and more, we are observing a narrative war on the forum.

Eva

Again no answer and no proof! for me it says all!

you are just the most unprofessional casino owner and operator!

to @Pmalek

Why don't you prove at least that you fixed the exploit I found
or
Why don't you prove how many times I used this exploit and how much I won with the exploit?

...... You have admitted to using the exploit to your advantage several times.

Please point me to where I admitted that I used this exploit to my adavantage
I never used it to my advantage and Blackjack.fun did never show game logs to prove it even I asked many times for it!

I will again explain how I found the exploit and how I used it. A well known player there used it against me to win the Tourney.
I then watched at what table he will play and played every time at same table until the exploit he used came up for me and to show him that I know the exploit I hit the exploit in only one game only but I hit it many times so it will be obvious for him that now I know it also.

now following options are possible (according to game theory)

a)
maybe it was him to complain about me that I am using the exploit to get rid of me.

b)
maybe the owner is the one who use is using the exploit himself as a player to win important tourneys as they have not only 1 USDT tourneys

I am asking myself again and again why didn't they confirm that they fixed it and give proof
or
why didn't they show the game logs where I exploited the game to win the 30 USDT which I even did not ask to withdraw as I only wanted to help to find bugs/exploits.

I even almost told the owner how to offer those tournaments in a fair way without a chance for exploits a player could use.
I am glad it did not come to that.

[blackjack.fun]

I will confirm it again. No one can wager any real money on blackjack tournaments. It is simply not ready for it. To come from outside of our community and start complaining about a work in progress is ridiculous. Hopefully, some of you will realize that the whole drama is just an attempt to tarnish our reputation by JackpotRacer.


Of course, there are legitimate areas where we can improve. It's nice to have discussions about it and find solutions, and this is all great. However, more and more, we are observing a narrative war on the forum.

Eva

Again no answer and no proof! for me it says all!

you are just the most unprofessional casino owner and operator!

to @Pmalek

Why don't you prove at least that you fixed the exploit I found
or
Why don't you prove how many times I used this exploit and how much I won with the exploit?

...... You have admitted to using the exploit to your advantage several times.

Please point me to where I admitted that I used this exploit to my adavantage
I never used it to my advantage and Blackjack.fun did never show game logs to prove it even I asked many times for it!

I will again explain how I found the exploit and how I used it. A well known player there used it against me to win the Tourney.
I then watched at what table he will play and played every time at same table until the exploit he used came up for me and to show him that I know the exploit I hit the exploit in only one game only but I hit it many times so it will be obvious for him that now I know it also.

now following options are possible (according to game theory)

a)
maybe it was him to complain about me that I am using the exploit to get rid of me.

b)
maybe the owner is the one who use is using the exploit himself as a player to win important tourneys as they have not only 1 USDT tourneys

I am asking myself again and again why didn't they confirm that they fixed it and give proof
or
why didn't they show the game logs where I exploited the game to win the 30 USDT which I even did not ask to withdraw as I only wanted to help to find bugs/exploits.

I even almost told the owner how to offer those tournaments in a fair way without a chance for exploits a player could use.
I am glad it did not come to that.

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

[Vod]

At this point, I think I’ll probably be paying for my new Cybertruck with all the paid posts I made throughout this drama.

Get it in black, so I don't have to sell it. 

[ineedhelpplease]

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

[JackpotRacer]

I will confirm it again. No one can wager any real money on blackjack tournaments. It is simply not ready for it. To come from outside of our community and start complaining about a work in progress is ridiculous. Hopefully, some of you will realize that the whole drama is just an attempt to tarnish our reputation by JackpotRacer.


Of course, there are legitimate areas where we can improve. It's nice to have discussions about it and find solutions, and this is all great. However, more and more, we are observing a narrative war on the forum.

Eva

Again no answer and no proof! for me it says all!

you are just the most unprofessional casino owner and operator!

to @Pmalek

Why don't you prove at least that you fixed the exploit I found
or
Why don't you prove how many times I used this exploit and how much I won with the exploit?

...... You have admitted to using the exploit to your advantage several times.

Please point me to where I admitted that I used this exploit to my adavantage
I never used it to my advantage and Blackjack.fun did never show game logs to prove it even I asked many times for it!

I will again explain how I found the exploit and how I used it. A well known player there used it against me to win the Tourney.
I then watched at what table he will play and played every time at same table until the exploit he used came up for me and to show him that I know the exploit I hit the exploit in only one game only but I hit it many times so it will be obvious for him that now I know it also.

now following options are possible (according to game theory)

a)
maybe it was him to complain about me that I am using the exploit to get rid of me.

b)
maybe the owner is the one who use is using the exploit himself as a player to win important tourneys as they have not only 1 USDT tourneys

I am asking myself again and again why didn't they confirm that they fixed it and give proof
or
why didn't they show the game logs where I exploited the game to win the 30 USDT which I even did not ask to withdraw as I only wanted to help to find bugs/exploits.

I even almost told the owner how to offer those tournaments in a fair way without a chance for exploits a player could use.
I am glad it did not come to that.

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

HUH? Where did I say that anyone stole or took away my funds?

You banned me by asking me to do KYC even I did not ask to withdraw the about 30 USDT. all this because your Boss told me in DM that players complained about me using an exploit. Can you please confirm this?

thank you @ineedhelpplease to ask again my questions as they always avoid to answer and prove that I am wrong accusing them for the Scam. if I am wrong I will be happy to apologize and close the scam accusation.

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

[blackjack.fun]

So, is all this drama due to KYC being triggered on your account?

Guess what, according to TOS 9.3, We also reserve the right to perform identity verification at any time during the lifetime of your relationship with us.


Where is this scam that you are trying so hard to share with the entire community and putting in so much effort to create a narrative?

[JackpotRacer]

So, is all this drama due to KYC being triggered on your account?

Guess what, according to TOS 9.3, We also reserve the right to perform identity verification at any time during the lifetime of your relationship with us.


Where is this scam that you are trying so hard to share with the entire community and putting in so much effort to create a narrative?

Why are you again and again twisting my comments Don't you understand that it will not help you to discredit me and same time not answering the important questions

it is not asking for KYC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it is asking for KYC after I played many games and gave your Boss very worthy feedback without asking for any bounty or withdrawal!

why did you ask for KYC at this stage? because this is the way to ban/stop players to play on your site!

Maybe you did not want me to make the exploit I found public as maybe you are using this exploit disguised as a player to win some money from the high stakes tourneys. who knows? as long as you do not answer legit questions I think this is the case.

BTW you are ding a very bad work as the representor of Blackjack.fun

If you knew your job and answered all the legitimate questions, we would not be where we are now because it would be over long ago with all the sites satisfied.

[BabyBandit]

-

If you are a representative for Blacjack.fun you're doing an awful job to represent the company/website with your cooky attitude against you're customers.
One thing you doing very good on other side is to make people avoiding playing on your shady website and if that's your end goal you're doing very good and if so keep going with this attitude and we see how much success it will bring back to you. 

[blackjack.fun]

So, is all this drama due to KYC being triggered on your account?

Guess what, according to TOS 9.3, We also reserve the right to perform identity verification at any time during the lifetime of your relationship with us.


Where is this scam that you are trying so hard to share with the entire community and putting in so much effort to create a narrative?

Why are you again and again twisting my comments Don't you understand that it will not help you to discredit me and same time not answering the important questions

it is not asking for KYC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it is asking for KYC after I played many games and gave your Boss very worthy feedback without asking for any bounty or withdrawal!

why did you ask for KYC at this stage? because this is the way to ban/stop players to play on your site!

Maybe you did not want me to make the exploit I found public as maybe you are using this exploit disguised as a player to win some money from the high stakes tourneys. who knows? as long as you do not answer legit questions I think this is the case.

BTW you are ding a very bad work as the representor of Blackjack.fun

If you knew your job and answered all the legitimate questions, we would not be where we are now because it would be over long ago with all the sites satisfied.

C-level personnel do not handle customer support, nor do they spend time on Bitcointalk forums. The entire narrative of "she told me this, he told me that" is not relevant. We reserve the right to perform KYC on you at any time we deem necessary. This does not classify it as a scam.

Question for community: What now?

Eva

[JackpotRacer]

So, is all this drama due to KYC being triggered on your account?

Guess what, according to TOS 9.3, We also reserve the right to perform identity verification at any time during the lifetime of your relationship with us.


Where is this scam that you are trying so hard to share with the entire community and putting in so much effort to create a narrative?

Why are you again and again twisting my comments Don't you understand that it will not help you to discredit me and same time not answering the important questions

it is not asking for KYC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it is asking for KYC after I played many games and gave your Boss very worthy feedback without asking for any bounty or withdrawal!

why did you ask for KYC at this stage? because this is the way to ban/stop players to play on your site!

Maybe you did not want me to make the exploit I found public as maybe you are using this exploit disguised as a player to win some money from the high stakes tourneys. who knows? as long as you do not answer legit questions I think this is the case.

BTW you are ding a very bad work as the representor of Blackjack.fun

If you knew your job and answered all the legitimate questions, we would not be where we are now because it would be over long ago with all the sites satisfied.

C-level personnel do not handle customer support, nor do they spend time on Bitcointalk forums. The entire narrative of "she told me this, he told me that" is not relevant. We reserve the right to perform KYC on you at any time we deem necessary. This does not classify it as a scam.

Question for community: What now?

Eva

will you ever answer legit questions and stop giving only empty air to the environment

do you really think the community will help you
the community is not stupid and many can read and understand you very well!
not every poster wants to show his signature for a few sats but yes many are

you climbed the tree up very high and you need to come down, easy as that

just read but also understand the posting from member @BabyBandit maybe it will help
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485686.msg63776050#msg63776050

he really very clear and very understandable prescribed your problem! Chapeau for @BabyBandit

[Pmalek]

Please point me to where I admitted that I used this exploit to my adavantage

You did it several times, including this post. "To your advantage" doesn't exclusively mean you gained a financial reward and put the money in your pockets from using it. It can also mean that you used it against other players and won the rounds with it. Hence, you gained an advantage with the bug. You have admitted to doing that. I am not talking about the motives why you did it, I am just stating that you did.

maybe the owner is the one who use is using the exploit himself as a player to win important tourneys as they have not only 1 USDT tourneys

It's their casino. They can just take the money they want without playing any games. And from what I understand, there is no real-money betting going on just yet. So it's already the casino's money.

Question for community: What now?

Question for Eva: Do you suffer from partial blindness?

This means that it is completely fine to have millions of bugs because it is not a ready product, and no player is taking any risks. Currently, it is not possible to place any bets with real money. So, it is entirely acceptable.

That's good. That's what I have asked like five times already and it seems you answered it now by mistake when another user mentioned it. 

A partially completed product is live on the site simply to grant access to our community members.

Can you provide some more information about this? Is your previous statement still true for this "partially completed product?" Can players wager real money on the live game?

[Vod]

As a non-gambler I took a quick look at their TOS.  It basically says they can demand any information from you at any time, or withhold your coin, or cancel your account.

Is this normal in crypto gambling websites?  It gives all the power to the website with a threat of extortion if you complain. :/

[JollyGood]

Yes this is completely normal. All casinos can demand/request KYC as per their terms and conditions and not only that, there is no guarantee they will release funds or unfreeze an account if they blocked their customer from accessing it. The number of times they have cited IP violations such as connected accounts being used for cheating or forbidden use of VPNs etc would mean even sending documents would not suffice.

Casinos getting revenge on customers that complain about their experiences is common practice. There are instances of casinos withholding funds simply because (as you stated) they have all the power because of the policies customers accept when they register on their websites.

As a non-gambler I took a quick look at their TOS.  It basically says they can demand any information from you at any time, or withhold your coin, or cancel your account.

Is this normal in crypto gambling websites?  It gives all the power to the website with a threat of extortion if you complain. :/

[Pmalek]

As a non-gambler I took a quick look at their TOS.  It basically says they can demand any information from you at any time, or withhold your coin, or cancel your account.

Is this normal in crypto gambling websites?  It gives all the power to the website with a threat of extortion if you complain. :/

You have just explained the standard operating procedure for every casino that reserves the right to do that. By signing up with them, you agree to let them take your money if they so please because, according to their interpretation of the truth, you did something wrong. I am oversimplifying it, but it's not that far from the truth.

Centralized exchanges gave themselves the same power with the blessing from the users who flood their platforms. Oh, your coins were connected to this blacklisted address a month ago? We can't have that around here! For everyone's sake, it's best that we freeze your money. Thanks for using (insert shitxhange name here). Don't hesitate to contact us if you have any questions.

[JackpotRacer]

Please point me to where I admitted that I used this exploit to my adavantage

You did it several times, including this post. "To your advantage" doesn't exclusively mean you gained a financial reward and put the money in your pockets from using it. It can also mean that you used it against other players and won the rounds with it. Hence, you gained an advantage with the bug. You have admitted to doing that. I am not talking about the motives why you did it, I am just stating that you did.

I never wrote that I used the exploit to my advantage- NEVER!

I will say it again until you will understand or stop twisting my words-

I found the exploit when a player used it against me, so I always signed up for a tournament where that player was registered and timed myself to be at his table. I did not play to win!!!!!!!
I was playing and waiting for the exploit to show up for me against this player who was using the exploit against me! after many tries it happened and I got the chance to use the exploit against this player.
I could use it once and kick him out of the tournament, which does not mean that I will win the tournament and steal 1USDT, but it would be a good chance as I could get a chance to use the exploit again to win the tournament.

CAPICE!

But I used it many times in the same moment of the game when it appeared to show the player that I now know the exploit, which again means that no one using this exploit will do it over and over again to get attention if they really want to steal the 1USDT tournament prize.

Now you tell me if I used the exploit to my advantage to gain nothing but to show the player (who actually showed me the exploit) that I now know the exploit, which should scare him as much as possible and make him think that it will soon be over and the exploit will be fixed.

maybe the owner is the one who use is using the exploit himself as a player to win important tourneys as they have not only 1 USDT tourneys

It's their casino. They can just take the money they want without playing any games. And from what I understand, there is no real-money betting going on just yet. So it's already the casino's money.

You are absolutely right that the casinos can do whatever they want! but does that mean that the player has to eat all their shit? NO, as no one has to accept a dictatorship.

The player can stop playing and give them a bad review and if many do that the casino will change their rules and make them more player friendly.

why are you saying that there is no real-money betting going on just yet?

This sentence actually tells me that you have never played on their site, neither the regular blackjack game nor the tournament. I asked you the question above and you can prove me wrong.

If you never played BJ on their site, why are you discussing it with me or anyone else?

Nevertheless, I will tell you what they offer.
They have a regular blackjack game (self developed) playable with real crypto which they call provably fair. they have the blackjack tourney with free entry which is not provably fair. even though it is a free entry tourney they offer real crypto as prizes which to me means there is real money involved!

They even offered invitational tourneys with 100USDT prize for the winner.
And what is even more to be condemned, they offer that anyone can offer a tournament and give prizes from their own pocket. I hope you and everyone will understand my point.

BTW they stopped all BJ Free Rolls Tourneys

[Pmalek]

I never wrote that I used the exploit to my advantage- NEVER!

You are a very weird individual I am not sure if there is a language barrier that causes this or there is something else wrong with you. Here, I bolded the part of your latest reply where you used the exploit TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.

I found the exploit when a player used it against me, so I always signed up for a tournament where that player was registered and timed myself to be at his table.
I was playing and waiting for the exploit to show up for me against this player who was using the exploit against me! after many tries it happened and I got the chance to use the exploit against this player.

But I used it many times in the same moment of the game when it appeared to show the player that I now know the exploit

Now you tell me if I used the exploit to my advantage to gain nothing but to show the player (who actually showed me the exploit) that I now know the exploit, which should scare him as much as possible and make him think that it will soon be over and the exploit will be fixed.

Yes, that's exactly what you did. YOU USED THE BUG TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. In your own words, you didn't use it to win money, but you used it to show the player that you know how to use it and scare him. That's taking advantage of the exploit.

why are you saying that there is no real-money betting going on just yet?

I am basing that on the information Eva provided, where she says that the game/s are in beta and are still being developed. I have asked repeatedly if the bug can be used in a real game where users come and deposit their own money to play. Her blindness could be the reason I have yet to receive a reply from her about that.

This sentence actually tells me that you have never played on their site, neither the regular blackjack game nor the tournament.

That's correct. I have never played on Blackjack.Fun. That's why I am asking how it all works. My sole motivation for being here is to determine if the casino is running unfair games where players can lose their money. Not the rewards that the casino gives them, but the money they deposited. If that's the case, I will tag the casino as a warning for other players to know what is going on.

If you never played BJ on their site, why are you discussing it with me or anyone else?

I covered that in the previous paragraph. 

they have the blackjack tourney with free entry which is not provably fair. even though it is a free entry tourney they offer real crypto as prizes which to me means there is real money involved!

That's real money, I agree. But it's the casino's money that they give to the winners. It's not money that belongs to the players (money that players deposited) who could then be cheated out of that money by someone using that timer exploit.

And what is even more to be condemned, they offer that anyone can offer a tournament and give prizes from their own pocket. I hope you and everyone will understand my point.

Now that's problematic. Now we are moving inside the territory where actual players can lose their money if a participant who knows how to use that bug can take advantage of it. It's no longer the casino that is gambling with its money, it could be a normal player who has no knowledge of a bug in the game. And if the participants need to pay an entry fee to partake in the tournament, it's even worse.

BTW they stopped all BJ Free Rolls Tourneys

Are those the games where you could use the timer exploit bug?

[JollyGood]

1: Has the exploit mentioned by JackpotRacer been fixed? If it has not been fixed please explain why (and when you expect to fix it).

2: Can you provide verifiable proof that you had both licences at the appropriate times you stated (one for 31st December 2023 from Curacao licencing and one for 1st January 2024 for Anjouan licencing)?

3: How do you intend to inform customers before they play which games are/are not provably fair?

Question for community: What now?

Eva

[JackpotRacer]

I never wrote that I used the exploit to my advantage- NEVER!

You are a very weird individual I am not sure if there is a language barrier that causes this or there is something else wrong with you. Here, I bolded the part of your latest reply where you used the exploit TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.

The weird one is you and it only shows that you have an ego and signature problem. I have to admit that I have a Justice and Fairness problem!Let me tell you again and again, I have never used it to gain a financial advantage!

Now you tell me if I used the exploit to my advantage to gain nothing but to show the player (who actually showed me the exploit) that I now know the exploit, which should scare him as much as possible and make him think that it will soon be over and the exploit will be fixed.

Yes, that's exactly what you did. YOU USED THE BUG TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. In your own words, you didn't use it to win money, but you used it to show the player that you know how to use it and scare him. That's taking advantage of the exploit.

here again your ego (stupid ego) takes over! but at least you admit that I did not use the exploit for financial gain and that is what I say over and over again. so please do not try to mislead other readers.

why are you saying that there is no real-money betting going on just yet?

I am basing that on the information Eva provided, where she says that the game/s are in beta and are still being developed. I have asked repeatedly if the bug can be used in a real game where users come and deposit their own money to play. Her blindness could be the reason I have yet to receive a reply from her about that.

real money is always involved even if they give a free roll with real crypto/money prizes! the winning prize is still real money. I hope you can understand that or maybe you have a language problem? This will always be an incentive for players to look for an exploit to get an advantage to win real money.

This sentence actually tells me that you have never played on their site, neither the regular blackjack game nor the tournament.

That's correct. I have never played on Blackjack.Fun. That's why I am asking how it all works. My sole motivation for being here is to determine if the casino is running unfair games where players can lose their money. Not the rewards that the casino gives them, but the money they deposited. If that's the case, I will tag the casino as a warning for other players to know what is going on.

Finally you admit it! Don't you think it is very unfair to discuss a bug/exploit of a game you have never played in the casino you are discussing???
Don't you think it is very unfair to even think of labeling a casino that you have never visited and never played the game as controversial just because some people are talking about it and accusing them

If you never played BJ on their site, why are you discussing it with me or anyone else?

I covered that in the previous paragraph. 

they have the blackjack tourney with free entry which is not provably fair. even though it is a free entry tourney they offer real crypto as prizes which to me means there is real money involved!

That's real money, I agree. But it's the casino's money that they give to the winners. It's not money that belongs to the players (money that players deposited) who could then be cheated out of that money by someone using that timer exploit.

Thank you for agreeing that we are talking about real money!

As I said earlier, yes, it is money that the casino owner gives away as prizes to winners and not the players money. The name - Free Roll - tells us this! Please don't forget that they offered themselves 100USDT winner prize Free Rolls

Still, it is money on the table to provoke some players to look for an advantage/exploit. This means that the casino itself should be very interested to have no exploits or when found to fix it! especially when giving 100USDT winner prizes out of their pocket. This is also a reason when I gave an option that the casino owner may use the exploit and will have no interest in fixing it. just one branch of a game theory tree with many branches.

And what is even more to be condemned, they offer that anyone can offer a tournament and give prizes from their own pocket. I hope you and everyone will understand my point.

Now that's problematic. Now we are moving inside the territory where actual players can lose their money if a participant who knows how to use that bug can take advantage of it. It's no longer the casino that is gambling with its money, it could be a normal player who has no knowledge of a bug in the game. And if the participants need to pay an entry fee to partake in the tournament, it's even worse.

Now you are talking to the subject, but still you have to rely on my statement! it would be much more fair and just if you had been on their site and played a game or two.

Yes, it is very problematic to let other players/customers offer tourneys where they will give the prizes and maybe even ask for an entry fee. regarding the entry fee I cannot say for sure.

BTW they stopped all BJ Free Rolls Tourneys

Are those the games where you could use the timer exploit bug?

Yes, they stopped the free rolls where the exploit could be used, but I don't know when they stopped them, but for sure I know that after my scam accusation they were still on for a long time.

But they still offer casual tables whatever that means. but as it is written >created by< means to me that players can offer a game for players in BTC and USD.
even though their free rolls are gone, they still let players/customers offer a game according to their terms. it could be a free roll or a not free entry.
What does this tell us? IMHO they don't care about the customers money and this again gives food to my game theory option I explained above. in any case it is not fair and not just for their customers.


the screenshot shows that no free rolls anymore but the 2 options for customers to still offer casual games whatever it means

[Pmalek]

The weird one is you and it only shows that you have an ego and signature problem.

Oh no, we are back on the 'you are a signature spammer' accusation. How very unfortunate.

Let me tell you again and again, I have never used it to gain a financial advantage!

I never claimed that financial gain was the reason your used the bug. But you did use it, taking advantage of it multiple times against a player who used it on you. Are we going to have to keep going around in circles or is it time to drop it?

so please do not try to mislead other readers.

Oh no, the poor readers. They are so much under my influence.

real money is always involved even if they give a free roll with real crypto/money prizes! the winning prize is still real money.

It's the casino's money, not yours. You are not investing your money. It's a "free roll". You participate for free. Worse case scenario is that you don't win anything. Best case scenario is that you do. I am not going to discuss this with you again.

Finally you admit it!

There was nothing to admit. At no point in time did I say I play on Blackjack.Fun. Did you fell down the stairs often as a kid? 

Don't you think it is very unfair to discuss a bug/exploit of a game you have never played in the casino you are discussing???
Don't you think it is very unfair to even think of labeling a casino that you have never visited and never played the game as controversial just because some people are talking about it and accusing them

Why would that be unfair. When the police arrests someone, they do it based on the evidence they see. They don't have to be the ones that suffered the damages or injuries to do so. When the judge passes judgement if someone is guilty or not, they do so based on the presented evidence by both parties. Or do you think the judge must also suffer damages to be able to make a decision?!

I am a DT member. Which means that my positive or negative rating will become visible under someone's profile. If I see evidence that a casino is lying or cheating its players, I will tag that casino so that other users can see. That's the way it's supposed to be. I have given you a chance to present evidence (not just words) of the casino's wrongdoings so that other members and myself can act on that evidence. Instead, most of the bullshit you write is arguing with me and everyone else here. Unless that changes, nothing is going to happen and no one is going to support you.

Thank you for agreeing that we are talking about real money!

No, we are not in agreement. And I explained why.

Now you are talking to the subject, but still you have to rely on my statement! it would be much more fair and just if you had been on their site and played a game or two.

Perhaps, but I am not interested in playing their games. Your statements will have to be backed up by proof that shows the rounds can be manipulated.

Yes, they stopped the free rolls where the exploit could be used, but I don't know when they stopped them, but for sure I know that after my scam accusation they were still on for a long time.

If that is true, it could be considered as their way of admitting they have problems with the game. Eva sure as hell isn't going to say it. All she does is trying to paint as beautiful of a picture about Blackjack.Fun as possible. It's a marketing strategy.

But they still offer casual tables whatever that means. but as it is written >created by< means to me that players can offer a game for players in BTC and USD.

Yes, that's possible. And it shouldn't be allowed as long as the games can be manipulated.

even though their free rolls are gone, they still let players/customers offer a game according to their terms. it could be a free roll or a not free entry.
What does this tell us? IMHO they don't care about the customers money and this again gives food to my game theory option I explained above. in any case it is not fair and not just for their customers.

I agree. We are in agreement about this but only because it's the players and not the casino that is putting their money at stake on a game that could potentially be manipulated.

[JackpotRacer]

The weird one is you and it only shows that you have an ego and signature problem.

Oh no, we are back on the 'you are a signature spammer' accusation. How very unfortunate.

Yes you are a signature spammer! and yes very unfortunate as you are attacking me and not stopping. you're like an exhibitionist who wants to show off his penis = signature
very sad for this community

Let me tell you again and again, I have never used it to gain a financial advantage!

I never claimed that financial gain was the reason your used the bug. But you did use it, taking advantage of it multiple times against a player who used it on you. Are we going to have to keep going around in circles or is it time to drop it?

we are going around in circles because your sick ego will not allow you to admit that you are distorting reality. to take advantage in a casino game is to win money! now you say that i used the exploit multiple times against a player who used it against you. correct would be that by using the exploit against me he showed me the exploit! now let me explain again what i did until you understand and admit your stupid claims!
Yes i used the exploit multiple times but in the same game and moment when the exploit came up for me against the one who showed/taught me the exploit. if you would know blackjack you would understand faster. actually i used it once but multiple times in the 1 minute time frame a player has to decide his decision. means I used it only once but multiple times = maybe difficult for you to understand. as I said before best if you stay out of such discussions where you have no clue and need to rely on others opinions.
in your words > Are we going to have to keep going around in circles or is it time to drop it?

so please do not try to mislead other readers.

Oh no, the poor readers. They are so much under my influence.

Sadly yes, because somewhere you yourself claimed that you are a DT member. readers might trust you more depending on their IQ and game knowledge. In your case I translate DT as too dumb to trust.

real money is always involved even if they give a free roll with real crypto/money prizes! the winning prize is still real money.

It's the casino's money, not yours. You are not investing your money. It's a "free roll". You participate for free. Worse case scenario is that you don't win anything. Best case scenario is that you do. I am not going to discuss this with you again.

You are welcome to stop discussing all this, because it will save you a lot of shame because of your incompetence.
yes, the player is not investing money in a free roll, but he is investing his time! and the casino is doing this as a kind of advertisement to attract players. but if there is an exploit and they don't fix it immediately, they are stealing the players time. Time is money!
What would you call the following scenario that I have already described but you did not understand or did not want to understand because you are a DT member and a signature exhibitionist?
Blackjack.fun offered in the past 100USDT invitation free rolls. IMO a very attractive prize for a free roll. Blackjack.fun owner could participate in these tournaments and win the 100USDT and still have a very nice advertising gimmick.
They also offered and still offer that players can offer their own table with any kind of reward in a free roll or with entry fee. guess who has the best chances to win? yes the one who knows the exploit!

Finally you admit it!

There was nothing to admit. At no point in time did I say I play on Blackjack.Fun. Did you fell down the stairs often as a kid? 

Yes, you finally admitted that you never played on the Blackjack.fun site! Why do you keep attacking me with your insulting words?
you can go back and read all my posts and you will not find me insulting anyone first. it is only when someone insults me that I will defend myself and I will be his or her mirror.

Any child will fall down the stairs or anywhere else, but the question is whether he will hurt his brain like you did! I still have a very high IQ and I am willing to test it against you if the price is high enough!

Don't you think it is very unfair to discuss a bug/exploit of a game you have never played in the casino you are discussing???
Don't you think it is very unfair to even think of labeling a casino that you have never visited and never played the game as controversial just because some people are talking about it and accusing them

Why would that be unfair. When the police arrests someone, they do it based on the evidence they see. They don't have to be the ones that suffered the damages or injuries to do so. When the judge passes judgement if someone is guilty or not, they do so based on the presented evidence by both parties. Or do you think the judge must also suffer damages to be able to make a decision?!

I am a DT member. Which means that my positive or negative rating will become visible under someone's profile. If I see evidence that a casino is lying or cheating its players, I will tag that casino so that other users can see. That's the way it's supposed to be. I have given you a chance to present evidence (not just words) of the casino's wrongdoings so that other members and myself can act on that evidence. Instead, most of the bullshit you write is arguing with me and everyone else here. Unless that changes, nothing is going to happen and no one is going to support you.

what a stupid answer! have you ever heard of circumstantial evidence being wrong? I would be very careful about making judgments based on circumstantial evidence alone.
Read above what I think about you as a DT member. you are a shame as we have many fine DT members here. I still say that it is totally wrong to tag members with red trust just based on hearsay.
I don't need your support! I just give my unbiased opinion and I can do it in this case because I am a blackjack expert and I found the exploit and some more bugs. You didn't even visit the casino but you dare to discuss the matter without any clue.
Who will support you?

at least Blackjack.fun stopped offering their free rolls which tells us a lot. for example that there was the exploit which they did not fix till now! sadly they are still offering the Casual Tables in BTC and USD

Thank you for agreeing that we are talking about real money!

No, we are not in agreement. And I explained why.

HAHAHA thanks for the laugh and showing that your ego took over again.

Now you are talking to the subject, but still you have to rely on my statement! it would be much more fair and just if you had been on their site and played a game or two.

Perhaps, but I am not interested in playing their games. Your statements will have to be backed up by proof that shows the rounds can be manipulated.

Thanks again for the laugh for your BS answer!
I would say that you are not interested in their games as you have no clue about blackjack cause any serious DT member would go there and do a game or two as it is a free roll and will not cost your money. just to get the idea of what they offer and how the game works and what I am talking about.

I still have to prove that their game can be manipulated sorry, now you really need to see a psychologist
they admitted that I found the exploit and even banned me. they even removed the free rolls. Guess why, but you only have one guess now 

Yes, they stopped the free rolls where the exploit could be used, but I don't know when they stopped them, but for sure I know that after my scam accusation they were still on for a long time.

If that is true, it could be considered as their way of admitting they have problems with the game. Eva sure as hell isn't going to say it. All she does is trying to paint as beautiful of a picture about Blackjack.Fun as possible. It's a marketing strategy.

Now you are talking like a clown. why are you defending them? after all the evidence? I am not saying that you should tag them just on hearsay. I am still a person of fairness and justice.

But they still offer casual tables whatever that means. but as it is written >created by< means to me that players can offer a game for players in BTC and USD.

Yes, that's possible. And it shouldn't be allowed as long as the games can be manipulated.

WOW what a great answer! and this from you!

even though their free rolls are gone, they still let players/customers offer a game according to their terms. it could be a free roll or a not free entry.
What does this tell us? IMHO they don't care about the customers money and this again gives food to my game theory option I explained above. in any case it is not fair and not just for their customers.

I agree. We are in agreement about this but only because it's the players and not the casino that is putting their money at stake on a game that could potentially be manipulated.

I explained your error about this matter already above

let me tell you again, just try to talk about the matter without insulting me and talking dirty. as this will fit more to normal and educated people in this forum. as you see I can also talk like you as anyone can. the ball is in your court to start a healthy and polite discussion

Cheers

[Pmalek]

very sad for this community

Very, very sad. You have no idea how disappointed I am. Anyways, let's continue!

Yes i used the exploit multiple times... actually i used it once but multiple times

You used the bug to your advantage multiple times, very good. Thank you.

Sadly yes, because somewhere you yourself claimed that you are a DT member.

I don't have to claim it, it's a fact. A reality. It would be controversial if I claimed I was a Ninja Turtle or an angry little man writing in bold blue-colored letters. Now that would be crazy.

What would you call the following scenario that I have already described but you did not understand or did not want to understand because you are a DT member and a signature exhibitionist?
Blackjack.fun offered in the past 100USDT invitation free rolls. IMO a very attractive prize for a free roll. Blackjack.fun owner could participate in these tournaments and win the 100USDT and still have a very nice advertising gimmick.

What-ifs are just that, what-ifs. If it happened, prove it. If you can't prove it or it didn't happen, who cares. If you know it happened but can't prove it, it doesn't matter because it's not about what you know, it's about what you can prove.

Why do you keep attacking me with your insulting words?

Because insulting others and throwing shit their way is the way you talk. Feel free to stop at any time and it might surprise you when you notice that I am not doing it either. Action and reaction. Keep your calm and composure and be respectful and you will get the same back from me. Give me shit, I'll give you shit and make fun of you.

you can go back and read all my posts and you will not find me insulting anyone first.

You have attacked everyone disagreeing with you in this thread and the one you started in Scam Accusations. You have told them they have no idea what they are doing or talking about. You have called them spammers and whatnot.   

it is only when someone insults me that I will defend myself...

Same here. Feel free to stop at any time.

Read above what I think about you as a DT member. you are a shame as we have many fine DT members here.

I am heartbroken. Excruciating pain.

Who will support you?

I am not the one that needs support you confused little troll. You are on a fishing expedition trying, by all means, to throw some shit at Blackjack.Fun and make it stick. It's not working. You need the DT members to support you if you want a big warning sign to appear above the casino on Bitcointalk. But that's not happening either right now.

...any serious DT member would go there and do a game or two as it is a free roll and will not cost your money.

Damn it theymos! Why didn't you tell us that we were supposed to play Blackjack? I had no idea.

why are you defending them?

Having language difficulties again, are we? Try reading slower without so much anger in your stomack.

after all the evidence?

Where is the evidence? Is it the bolded text in blue and red? That's not evidence. Those are claims not backed up by any evidence whatsosever. Try with green color next.

...just try to talk about the matter without insulting me and talking dirty. as this will fit more to normal and educated people in this forum.

I would love to. Try that yourself starting with your next post and you will get a civilized and polite response back.

[Vod]

^^ When it deteriorates to multi quote posts like this, too many opinions are being exchanged for anyone to understand, much less agree/disagree with.

[holydarkness]

Risking to induce headache to anyone reading this cluster-mess of pyramid quote, I'll dive. And for that very reason, I'll only quote snippets of JPR's post that I think is relevant. Some will not followed a quote, but rather a summary of discussion banter a brain abuse statement, marked in bold and underline.

First, regarding taking advantage and misleading people:

The only one being misled that when Pmalek talking about advantage he's referring about money is you. Pretty much sure anyone else understood what he refers to and tries to say: namely you utilizing the bug you discovered to [what I can only describe as] fulfill your personal vendetta because someone used it against you. You said and I quote:

I found the exploit when another player used it against me. I then waited for the same situation to come up for me against the same player who used it against me before (in a 1 USDT tourney) and I used it many times in the same moment in the game as I wanted him to understand that I now know the exploit he is using. As it was very obvious what I was doing, I later understood from the owner of Blackjack.fun that players were complaining about me using this exploit.

Second, and still related to the first matter, about advantage; regarding never play BJ and/or on their platform:

You asked me this very similar question on your own thread, do I correctly assume the reason is [according to you] if no one ever played on their platform, that person will have no idea of how the game works, i.e.: the free roll etc.? Well, OP has nicely explained it to us, so it'll be very safe to assume that even no one ever set foot on that platform, just from reading the explanation Eva gave, they'll have a clear idea that there are two kinds of game on their platform, the real one [with real money, losing fund, winning a game, etc] and the beta testing [free entry and lose nothing when someone lose the game]. As you always read every post, I believe you understand and can find the posts I am referring.

As such, just like Pmalek said, the "real money", though someone has a potential of earning a winning money, it's still a free roll, the prize money coming from the owner. If someone lose, they lose nothing, they suffer no financial damage, of which you argued it's still real and people investing time and so on. In relation to the point above, I'd give you a chance to make your stance clear on this matter: it is a free roll and thus when you do what you did over and over [though you're not coming as the winner of that match], it is not taking advantage of anyone because there is no one suffering a loss, since they did not sacrifice anything to join the game, or is it a real money and real investment because even though the prize money coming from the owner, people are still investing their time on it, as such, when you did what you did, you're placing someone at a disadvantage because by manipulating the bug, you're denying someone of the chance that they win something, made them lose their time investment, and not to mention the moral and emotional damage branching from a frustration?

Third, circumstantial evidence, you can rest assured that the DTs, especially those who oversee the scam accusation thread most likely are not light handed on leaving tag, waiting and looking for enough evidence, be it a direct or circumstantial, to prove beyond reasonable doubt, or to a clear point of which most can agree to a conclusion. That's what Pmalek mean when he said the police and the judge [side note, lest you twist it to drive a narrative: in no way we claim that we are or we think we are the police or the judge] made their decision from evidence being provided, people does not necessarily have to have the exact experience playing on a specific platform just to think the evidence being provided held its weight or not, and whether they incriminate the "suspect".

I believe you should be very familiar with how this works, given that's the very reason why no DT is supporting your thread, nor leaving a tag on BJF [for the time being] in regards to your case, because it lack of proof, evidence provided are circumstantial at best, if not a hearsay, and you can't even spell it out to this point what's the scam is [well, actually you said it on your opening post, but it was not proven, so we demanded what's the remaining and actual scam is]

Next, mirror, mirror, oh mirror, you claimed that, "you can go back and read all my posts and you will not find me insulting anyone first. it is only when someone insults me that I will defend myself and I will be his or her mirror." You sure? Go back and read your exchange of communication with me. Up to this post, all I do was explaining things to you, asking for a clarification about the mystery of what the scam was, made it known that they can't return your deposit because you refused to provide an address, all in a polite manner, and your reply was, "Please stop with your lies and wrong info. just read the thread before you give your false info". Was that not an insult? And you're the one throwing it first. Contradicting your own statement of mirror, aren't you? Or did you forget? Or you didn't mean to? But... but... on the other post, you "accuse" those who didn't take your side and instead inquired more [thus, me included] as not reading the whole accusation thread, while factually everyone did.

What's that if not an insult? An attempt to paint someone the way they actually are not? Hmm... what's the term for it, again? Libel?

Now, this one,

[...]
Any child will fall down the stairs or anywhere else, but the question is whether he will hurt his brain like you did! I still have a very high IQ and I am willing to test it against you if the price is high enough![...]

Can we have a proof of it? You having a high IQ. Otherwise, it'll be a circumstantial at best, a hearsay at most. LMAO.

[JackpotRacer]

Let me start with an answer to @Vod who posted the following after @Pmalek's posting, before I answer to the Retarded Liar and word twister @Pmalek just to show his Signature for a few sats

BTW I reported @Pmalek to the signature Manager to check out his postings. if it helps nobody knows but  I think a Signature Manager should know what his children are doing

^^ When it deteriorates to multi quote posts like this, too many opinions are being exchanged for anyone to understand, much less agree/disagree with.

Very well said and spot on!

very sad for this community

Very, very sad. You have no idea how disappointed I am. Anyways, let's continue!

Why don't you show my full text? you don't show it because then you can distort the content and lie!
Readers are invited to read back!
Lying is a sign of desperation

Yes i used the exploit multiple times... actually i used it once but multiple times

You used the bug to your advantage multiple times, very good. Thank you.

Why don't you show my full text? you don't show it because then you can distort the content and lie!
Readers are invited to read back!
Lying is a sign of desperation

Sadly yes, because somewhere you yourself claimed that you are a DT member.

I don't have to claim it, it's a fact. A reality. It would be controversial if I claimed I was a Ninja Turtle or an angry little man writing in bold blue-colored letters. Now that would be crazy.

Hmmm You are a disgrace and shame to every good and decent DT member.

What would you call the following scenario that I have already described but you did not understand or did not want to understand because you are a DT member and a signature exhibitionist?
Blackjack.fun offered in the past 100USDT invitation free rolls. IMO a very attractive prize for a free roll. Blackjack.fun owner could participate in these tournaments and win the 100USDT and still have a very nice advertising gimmick.

What-ifs are just that, what-ifs. If it happened, prove it. If you can't prove it or it didn't happen, who cares. If you know it happened but can't prove it, it doesn't matter because it's not about what you know, it's about what you can prove.

Why don't you show my full text? you don't show it because then you can distort the content and lie!
Readers are invited to read back!
Lying is a sign of desperation

Why do you keep attacking me with your insulting words?

Because insulting others and throwing shit their way is the way you talk. Feel free to stop at any time and it might surprise you when you notice that I am not doing it either. Action and reaction. Keep your calm and composure and be respectful and you will get the same back from me. Give me shit, I'll give you shit and make fun of you.

Why don't you show my full text? you don't show it because then you can distort the content and lie!
Readers are invited to read back!
Lying is a sign of desperation

you can go back and read all my posts and you will not find me insulting anyone first.

You have attacked everyone disagreeing with you in this thread and the one you started in Scam Accusations. You have told them they have no idea what they are doing or talking about. You have called them spammers and whatnot.   

Lying is a sign of desperation Poor child @Pmalek

it is only when someone insults me that I will defend myself...

Same here. Feel free to stop at any time.

Lying is a sign of desperation Poor child @Pmalek
the ball is in your court and it was always in your court.

Read above what I think about you as a DT member. you are a shame as we have many fine DT members here.

I am heartbroken. Excruciating pain.

Let me reiterate
You are a disgrace and shame to every good and decent DT member.

Who will support you?

I am not the one that needs support you confused little troll. You are on a fishing expedition trying, by all means, to throw some shit at Blackjack.Fun and make it stick. It's not working. You need the DT members to support you if you want a big warning sign to appear above the casino on Bitcointalk. But that's not happening either right now.

I'm not throwing shit on Blackjack.fun, but Blackjack.fun and Eva are covering themeselves with shit! just check out their games and rounds promotion and my scam accusaion thread. but take a fair and just pair of glasses and not your signature spamming glasses.

sadly you again are mentioning DT members
You are a disgrace and shame to every good and decent DT member.

...any serious DT member would go there and do a game or two as it is a free roll and will not cost your money.

Damn it theymos! Why didn't you tell us that we were supposed to play Blackjack? I had no idea.

theymos should have given you the VIP Liar and Signature Spammer badges a long time ago.

why are you defending them?

Having language difficulties again, are we? Try reading slower without so much anger in your stomack.

No anger here LOL. just amused about a sick Blackjack.fun protector
BTW regarding language difficulties. how is your stomack doing LOL
English is not my mother language not sure about you

after all the evidence?

Where is the evidence? Is it the bolded text in blue and red? That's not evidence. Those are claims not backed up by any evidence whatsosever. Try with green color next.

I gave the evidence!

Why don't you show my full text? you don't show it because then you can distort the content and lie!
Readers are invited to read back!
Lying is a sign of desperation

...just try to talk about the matter without insulting me and talking dirty. as this will fit more to normal and educated people in this forum.

I would love to. Try that yourself starting with your next post and you will get a civilized and polite response back.

No chance as long you are giving me a reason to mirror you

my well-intentioned advice
just try to post fair and just text without the pressure to earn some sats with your signature, as it can be done. there are many members with signatures who text very fair to the topic.

[Pmalek]

Let me start with an answer to @Vod who posted the following after @Pmalek's posting, before I answer to the Retarded Liar and word twister @Pmalek just to show his Signature for a few sats

...just try to talk about the matter without insulting me and talking dirty. as this will fit more to normal and educated people in this forum.

I would love to. Try that yourself starting with your next post and you will get a civilized and polite response back.

You just couldn't constrain yourself, could you? But hey, you almost made it one sentence without insulting someone. Maybe in a few years, you'll be able to write a complete sentence without colors or insults.

BTW I reported @Pmalek to the signature Manager to check out his postings. if it helps nobody knows but  I think a Signature Manager should know what his children are doing

Signature managers, like the one assigned to the campaign I am in, check posts on a weekly basis before sending payments. But thank you for your concerns. I can see that the manager in question is already aware of your mental deficiencies. Did you make sure that you used the right colors in the PM your sent him? You have to be careful. He only responds if the text is written in blue and yellow. Do not use blue and red or any other combinations. You won't get a response from him then.

there are many members with signatures who text very fair to the topic.

Really? Do they use nice colors in their posts as well? Can you name some of them? You have attacked everyone who has written anything in this thread and in your failed scam accusation thread because no one agrees with you.

Btw, have you noticed how Eva and Blackjack.Fun aren't saying anything? They don't have to. They are just watching the drama of me against you in front of their eyes, as there is no reason for them to get involved. Congratulations, you are doing a great job! 

[JackpotRacer]

Let me start with an answer to @Vod who posted the following after @Pmalek's posting, before I answer to the Retarded Liar and word twister @Pmalek just to show his Signature for a few sats

...just try to talk about the matter without insulting me and talking dirty. as this will fit more to normal and educated people in this forum.

I would love to. Try that yourself starting with your next post and you will get a civilized and polite response back.

You just couldn't constrain yourself, could you? But hey, you almost made it one sentence without insulting someone. Maybe in a few years, you'll be able to write a complete sentence without colors or insults.

Sorry to talk about your IQ again, it still seems to be much below average.
I am your mirror regarding insults. you stop = I stop! simple as that!

regarding colored text! have you ever wondered why this forum gives users text formatting? Colors are very important as there is a psychology behind it. but yes how could you know as you are only focused on showing your signature no matter what?

BTW I reported @Pmalek to the signature Manager to check out his postings. if it helps nobody knows but  I think a Signature Manager should know what his children are doing

Signature managers, like the one assigned to the campaign I am in, check posts on a weekly basis before sending payments. But thank you for your concerns. I can see that the manager in question is already aware of your mental deficiencies. Did you make sure that you used the right colors in the PM your sent him? You have to be careful. He only responds if the text is written in blue and yellow. Do not use blue and red or any other combinations. You won't get a response from him then.

To tell you the truth, I am not sure your signature campaign manager will like your very offensive comment about him. I don't like it because he is a very serious campaign manager as far as I can tell.
BTW I wrote him in a very polite way and in normal text color as I respect him and he did not offend me. so no reason to attack him

there are many members with signatures who text very fair to the topic.

Really? Do they use nice colors in their posts as well? Can you name some of them? You have attacked everyone who has written anything in this thread and in your failed scam accusation thread because no one agrees with you.

Yes, there are many fine members with signatures and not spamming like you. I could name many but it would take a lot of time and space to write them down as there are really many. so I apologize for not listing them for now.

Regarding the failed scam accusation, I can tell you that I am once again proud to announce that Blackjack.fun has removed all free roll tournaments, which means that no one can be cheated! I call it a great success from my side.

BTW many years ago I was also the first to shout scam and warned that Moneypot owners will pull the rug. what they eventually did. therefore I got the same attacks as now. nothing new for me.

Btw, have you noticed how Eva and Blackjack.Fun aren't saying anything? They don't have to. They are just watching the drama of me against you in front of their eyes, as there is no reason for them to get involved. Congratulations, you are doing a great job! 

HaHa thanks for the laugh and the proof of your very low IQ again.

Eva and Blackjack.Fun are sitting on their hands, as they have nothing to say except obvious stupid lies, so they prefer to sit quietly now.
At least they were smart enough to remove the tournaments quietly, but IMO they should tell us why they removed them and when the tournaments will be back. I know the reason and so do you but you will not admit it.

Now, one more friendly advice for you.
try to do some research before jumping into a thread to show your signature. be polite and try to stay on topic. you will be happy and so will your signature manager.

[Pmalek]

To tell you the truth, I am not sure your signature campaign manager will like your very offensive comment about him.

Were is the offensive comment about him exactly you neanderthal? Can't you tell I am making fun of your coloring skills? You are a bit slow, aren't you? The type that gets the joke the day after.

I don't like it because he is a very serious campaign manager as far as I can tell.

Kissing ass won't get people to support you. Nice try, though.

BTW many years ago I was also the first to shout scam and warned that Moneypot owners will pull the rug. what they eventually did.

Congratulations! Did you get yourself a nice coloring book to celebrate? It can help you to stay within the lines while coloring pandas, tigers, various birds, etc.

Watching your failed attempts to stir up drama has been fun. But I have no intention to talk to you anymore. It's been going on for too long already. I will not be replying to your uninspiring colored posts any longer. Try and get someone else's attention. I will only get involved in the discussions if I get tagged or quoted by other users.

Try not to bite your tongue off out of frustration or anger that no one took you seriously.

[JackpotRacer]

To tell you the truth, I am not sure your signature campaign manager will like your very offensive comment about him.

Were is the offensive comment about him exactly you neanderthal? Can't you tell I am making fun of your coloring skills? You are a bit slow, aren't you? The type that gets the joke the day after.

I just read your posts again, but I have to admit that your IQ will not allow you to even understand what you wrote, as you are just attacking out of ego and you just cannot come down from the tree you climbed very high.

I don't like it because he is a very serious campaign manager as far as I can tell.

Kissing ass won't get people to support you. Nice try, though.

Ouch! again you insult your signature manager when you only meant to insult me!
Are you really sure that your Signature Manager doesn't read what you write here? don't be so sure, because I might send him these postings to keep him up to date.
Without kissing his ass, let me tell you again that he is a very decent Signature Manager.!

BTW many years ago I was also the first to shout scam and warned that Moneypot owners will pull the rug. what they eventually did.

Congratulations! Did you get yourself a nice coloring book to celebrate? It can help you to stay within the lines while coloring pandas, tigers, various birds, etc.

Very disappointing again this very stupid answer as you could say congratulations or prove me wrong as then you will give respect to your signature.

Watching your failed attempts to stir up drama has been fun. But I have no intention to talk to you anymore. It's been going on for too long already. I will not be replying to your uninspiring colored posts any longer. Try and get someone else's attention. I will only get involved in the discussions if I get tagged or quoted by other users.

Try not to bite your tongue off out of frustration or anger that no one took you seriously.

HAHAHAHAHA You really underestimate me and all the smart members here, so thanks again for the laugh!

We all know why you want to stopp replying to me! I was already disappointed that your answer was quite short and you did not answer point by point as usual. You should have taken this step much earlier, but your ego did not allow it.
Why not shout out the truth why you stopped answering me? believe me it would help you and any psychologist will tell you the same.

Let me give you another friendly advice. if you are going to go on like an ego clown, I suggest you change your signature and advertise yourself as the clown of your own circus. whenever you do it, I can give you all the help you need to choose the right colors.

[blackjack.fun]

The entire concept revolves around developing games from scratch in collaboration with the entire community. Our team actively engages with players, making it a normal part of our daily operations. Given that our product is still in progress, encountering numerous bugs is expected, and that's precisely the essence of the process. No one incurs any financial losses because no one cant make any bets with their money.

While many bugs existed on some time frame in the past, we acknowledge the existence of others, and more bugs will appear while team is developing. However, having bugs in our unfinished product is an integral aspect of our approach. I understand that this concept might be unfamiliar to many, but a glance at our history illustrates that the entire blackjack.fun project thrives on community feedback and suggestions.

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

This way we can peacefully continue.

Eva

[Vod]

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

You should change your tagline: Honesty is the best policy.   Taking away the ability for your community to discuss your concept publically is not honest.    (Look at r/bitcoin for example) 

[JackpotRacer]

The entire concept revolves around developing games from scratch in collaboration with the entire community. Our team actively engages with players, making it a normal part of our daily operations. Given that our product is still in progress, encountering numerous bugs is expected, and that's precisely the essence of the process. No one incurs any financial losses because no one cant make any bets with their money.

While many bugs existed on some time frame in the past, we acknowledge the existence of others, and more bugs will appear while team is developing. However, having bugs in our unfinished product is an integral aspect of our approach. I understand that this concept might be unfamiliar to many, but a glance at our history illustrates that the entire blackjack.fun project thrives on community feedback and suggestions.

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

This way we can peacefully continue.

Eva

I completely agree with @Vod's answer to you Eva and could not have said it better. yea I know @Pmalek will soon shout that I am ass licking  but I assure you that I am not and I will always write/say what I think!
@Vod wrote:

You should change your tagline: Honesty is the best policy.   Taking away the ability for your community to discuss your concept publically is not honest.    (Look at r/bitcoin for example)


I posted the following in the Blackjack.fun thread without any answer.

How about telling players and all of us if the exploit I found is already fixed 

How can Blackjack.fun decide who is eligible for their private invitation to the tournaments when they excluded me who found the exploit and some more bugs. obviously they don't recognize an expert so how will they know who is eligible to find some more bugs/exploits 

I could have told Blackjack.fun how to offer the best and fairest tournaments without any bounty, and it would have been done very quickly and long ago. Yes, they missed a very good opportunity.

They are already selling Jack coins since September 2023 for their tournaments and those tournaments are still very far away. At least they should be fair and change/update their Roadmap

[nutildah]

How can Blackjack.fun decide who is eligible for their private invitation to the tournaments when they excluded me who found the exploit and some more bugs. obviously they don't recognize an expert so how will they know who is eligible to find some more bugs/exploits 

Uh, without any prior context or knowledge about the situation, I'm gonna guess you were excluded for being a massive dick.

I could have told Blackjack.fun how to offer the best and fairest tournaments without any bounty, and it would have been done very quickly and long ago. Yes, they missed a very good opportunity.

You're not very good at this whole business pitch thing are you.

[JackpotRacer]

How can Blackjack.fun decide who is eligible for their private invitation to the tournaments when they excluded me who found the exploit and some more bugs. obviously they don't recognize an expert so how will they know who is eligible to find some more bugs/exploits 

Uh, without any prior context or knowledge about the situation, I'm gonna guess you were excluded for being a massive dick.

by actually saying - without prior context or knowledge of the situation - how can you jump into a serious discussion and also insult me with such bad wording? Just to show your signature to meet your weekly post count so you get paid? I see it as stealing from the casino owner(s) who ordered the signature campaign to be run.

Do you really get paid by the Signature Campaign Manager for these disgusting posts? Do you really think that the casino owner(s) will be happy with this kind of post from you? As a former owner of a casino, I would not be happy about this at all.

I could have told Blackjack.fun how to offer the best and fairest tournaments without any bounty, and it would have been done very quickly and long ago. Yes, they missed a very good opportunity.

You're not very good at this whole business pitch thing are you.
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For your and all others info, I am a gambling games expert and worked for a well known gambling games developer as a game tester. I love Blackjack and yes, I am very good at finding bugs, exploits and cheats!
To be honest, I don't need to prove myself and especially not to you.

[JollyGood]

The entire concept revolves around developing games from scratch in collaboration with the entire community. Our team actively engages with players, making it a normal part of our daily operations. Given that our product is still in progress, encountering numerous bugs is expected, and that's precisely the essence of the process. No one incurs any financial losses because no one cant make any bets with their money.

While many bugs existed on some time frame in the past, we acknowledge the existence of others, and more bugs will appear while team is developing. However, having bugs in our unfinished product is an integral aspect of our approach. I understand that this concept might be unfamiliar to many, but a glance at our history illustrates that the entire blackjack.fun project thrives on community feedback and suggestions.

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

This way we can peacefully continue.

Eva

Eva, keeping #1 aside for now, can you provide answers to the following questions? You have never given a satisfactory or direct answer in response to the questions below. I think it is unfair to post sporadically as you do and then you have not given clear answers to questions that are being asked multiple times because they remain unanswered.

1: Has the exploit mentioned by JackpotRacer been fixed? If it has not been fixed please explain why (and when you expect to fix it).

2: Can you provide verifiable proof that you had both licences at the appropriate times you stated (one for 31st December 2023 from Curacao licencing and one for 1st January 2024 for Anjouan licencing)?

3: How do you intend to inform customers before they play which games are/are not provably fair?

Question for community: What now?

Eva

[JackpotRacer]

The entire concept revolves around developing games from scratch in collaboration with the entire community. Our team actively engages with players, making it a normal part of our daily operations. Given that our product is still in progress, encountering numerous bugs is expected, and that's precisely the essence of the process. No one incurs any financial losses because no one cant make any bets with their money.

While many bugs existed on some time frame in the past, we acknowledge the existence of others, and more bugs will appear while team is developing. However, having bugs in our unfinished product is an integral aspect of our approach. I understand that this concept might be unfamiliar to many, but a glance at our history illustrates that the entire blackjack.fun project thrives on community feedback and suggestions.

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

This way we can peacefully continue.

Eva

Eva

I don't know why @JollyGood puts aside Quesiton #1, but that is his decision

I will not do without the answer to Question #1

1: Has the exploit mentioned by JackpotRacer been fixed? If it has not been fixed please explain why (and when you expect to fix it).

For #2 and #3, I am certainly waiting for you to answer as well.

I will add a legit question

Why are you not answering these questions? these answers, if answered in full truth, will help your customers and also your casino. not answering after being asked so many times shows a lot of disrespect but also that there is a fishy reason behind not answering these simple and legit questions.

[blackjack.fun]

Hello JollyGood,

Questions have already been answered. Company-sensitive documents with personal information and signatures are not public information. We are a properly licensed casino for very long time. It is not like you go to a company and ask, "Prove to me you are innocent by showing your sensitive data, or you are guilty."

The specific bug has been fixed, but new ones have emerged, and more will arise without warranties. This is a standard aspect of the process; it encapsulates the concept. There are no dates or times specified regarding when or how the development team is working and on which task. The entire question about bugs is irrelevant because it pertains to a different concept altogether. If it were a game where players take risks, it would be an entirely different story, but that is not the case here.


Regarding provably fair systems, every game provider is different. The ones who have such systems have their own way of showing it, confirming it, and so on, and it is their decision whether they advertise it or not for their games. We can only speak for our own games. When it comes to showcasing and ensuring fair game for blackjack tournaments, this will be another aspect of which we'll be very proud. We're even seeking community assistance to make it as advanced and provably fair as possible, and to determine the best way to showcase it. However, we'll address this aspect later when we arrive at that point.

Eva

[JollyGood]

Hello Eva, thank you for the reply.

For the licence overlap, you did not provide anything substantial to disprove the theory that blackjack.fun might not have had a licence from any gaming authority between 1st January 2024 and 18th February 2024.

The fact a Curacao logo was visible with the verifiable URL link removed from 1st January 2024 until 19th February 2024 really did not look good especially when it took 50 days to replace it with another licence provider.

I did mention in an earlier post, for me it would not have been an issue had one licence expired and the other issued after a gap of several weeks but making a claim the second licence from Anjouan started on 1st January 2024 and then being unable to prove it especially after you added the Anjouan licence with verifiable on 19th February 2024. It raises valid questions why the Anjouan licence was not added for 50 days even though you claim you had it.

On that specific point I believe the blackjack team have not been honest. Instead of accepting they made a mistake or overlooked it until it was brought to their attention they claim something that is not true. Simply by you citing sensitive documents (as a reason to not prove when the Anjouan licence was issued) seems far more to be an excuse but that is my opinion and others will have their own.

As for the other two issues, it seems your reply has covered them and I thank you for that.

It is important to note if you have fixed the specific exploit mentioned by JackpotRacer that is the end of the matter related to his report.

Also, regarding the provably fair claims, the provably fair image has been removed from the website and if you and your games providers make it clear which games are provably fair and how those games results can be verified before customers play, that is the end of the matter because it allows customers to make informed decisions before playing.

Hello JollyGood,

Questions have already been answered. Company-sensitive documents with personal information and signatures are not public information. We are a properly licensed casino for very long time. It is not like you go to a company and ask, "Prove to me you are innocent by showing your sensitive data, or you are guilty."

The specific bug has been fixed, but new ones have emerged, and more will arise without warranties. This is a standard aspect of the process; it encapsulates the concept. There are no dates or times specified regarding when or how the development team is working and on which task. The entire question about bugs is irrelevant because it pertains to a different concept altogether. If it were a game where players take risks, it would be an entirely different story, but that is not the case here.


Regarding provably fair systems, every game provider is different. The ones who have such systems have their own way of showing it, confirming it, and so on, and it is their decision whether they advertise it or not for their games. We can only speak for our own games. When it comes to showcasing and ensuring fair game for blackjack tournaments, this will be another aspect of which we'll be very proud. We're even seeking community assistance to make it as advanced and provably fair as possible, and to determine the best way to showcase it. However, we'll address this aspect later when we arrive at that point.

Eva

Until the end of December 2023, we consistently held a Curacao License for many years. Starting from January 1, 2024, we have obtained an Anjouan license.

[JackpotRacer]

Hello JollyGood,

Questions have already been answered. Company-sensitive documents with personal information and signatures are not public information. We are a properly licensed casino for very long time. It is not like you go to a company and ask, "Prove to me you are innocent by showing your sensitive data, or you are guilty."

The specific bug has been fixed, but new ones have emerged, and more will arise without warranties. This is a standard aspect of the process; it encapsulates the concept. There are no dates or times specified regarding when or how the development team is working and on which task. The entire question about bugs is irrelevant because it pertains to a different concept altogether. If it were a game where players take risks, it would be an entirely different story, but that is not the case here.


Regarding provably fair systems, every game provider is different. The ones who have such systems have their own way of showing it, confirming it, and so on, and it is their decision whether they advertise it or not for their games. We can only speak for our own games. When it comes to showcasing and ensuring fair game for blackjack tournaments, this will be another aspect of which we'll be very proud. We're even seeking community assistance to make it as advanced and provably fair as possible, and to determine the best way to showcase it. However, we'll address this aspect later when we arrive at that point.

Eva

At least you finally answered about a bug, not an exploit, because this exploit I found is not just a bug!
It would be nice if you would just confirm that it is the exploit I found that is fixed???

If so, I would like to know: How can we be sure and test it

BTW that @JollyGood wrote to you

It is important to note if you have fixed the specific exploit mentioned by JackpotRacer that is the end of the matter related to his report.

is wrong as you did not specifically confirmed the exploit I found as you talked about a bug. but @JollyGood has his opinion and I have mine.
 I gave you my opinion above

[blackjack.fun]

There are numerous circumstances to consider regarding the validator link, such as how quickly the license issuer responds to emails, provides it, front-end development, its priority on the list, initial issues requiring adjustments and cooperation with the license issuer, ensuring it displays correctly in every region when clicked, and the need for the link to be refreshed every 20 minutes, and so on. The validator link is not the license itself; rather, it simply adds trust and indicates that the casino has an operational license.

Eva

[JollyGood]

Eva, none of us here in the forum are naive enough to not know how a validator link for a licence provided by Curacao or other licencing authority works. We all know the validator link is not the licence and we all know it adds trust as the operational licence is valid at the time of the checking.

What is important to remember is that Blackjack has failed to provide an acceptable plausible reason for not removing the Curacao logo between 1st January 2024 and 19th February 2024 yet it decided to remove the validator link. That was highly suspect conduct.

After it was picked up and mentioned in both associated threads about Blackjack, the Curacao logo was removed and replaced with one from Anjouan with a functional validator link. Though it was a welcomed move on your part, it also raised questions about timing.

As I mentioned earlier on multiple occasions, in my opinion not have a valid licence between 1st January 2024 and 18th February 2024 is not an issue but the fact you stated the Anjouan licence was valid from 1st January 2024 yet failed to provide any proof was counterproductive on your part even though cited confidential company documents as an excuse.

Keeping that one blemish on the reputation of Blackjack aside, you stated you have fixed the exploit mentioned by JackpotRacer and have removed the provably fair image therefore these are excellent steps to gaining the confidence of those considering playing on your website.

There are numerous circumstances to consider regarding the validator link, such as how quickly the license issuer responds to emails, provides it, front-end development, its priority on the list, initial issues requiring adjustments and cooperation with the license issuer, ensuring it displays correctly in every region when clicked, and the need for the link to be refreshed every 20 minutes, and so on. The validator link is not the license itself; rather, it simply adds trust and indicates that the casino has an operational license.

Eva

[icopress]

Lol. Even with the naked eye it is clear that you are responding to your own posts written by your alternative account.

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

[JackpotRacer]

Lol. Even with the naked eye it is clear that you are responding to your own posts written by your alternative account.

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

Your not only stupid you are also a stupid Signature Campaign Manager of Blackjack.fun as you think you will get a medal from the scammer Blackjack.fun for attacking me with LIES.

You are just like Blackjack.fun attacking with false accusations without proof!

Prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any mod is welcome to check all you can to see if it is an alt account of mine, and if yes you are welcome to ban me or give me the most red trust possible.

But if @icopress was wrong and attacked me with false accusations, I kindly ask you to give him the red trust he deserves from DT members.



Is your brain so empty or full of air that you cannot recognize a simple copy-paste?

[icopress]

Is your brain so empty or full of air that you cannot recognize a simple copy-paste?

To begin with, so that they listen to you, stop writing in bold colors. Secondly, all you had to do was say “I misquoted.” Thirdly (and this is probably the main thing) that your words will be ignored by everyone as long as you use the feedback system as a tool of retribution against everyone who disagrees with you (which once again suggests that my tag was extremely accurate).

[JackpotRacer]

Is your brain so empty or full of air that you cannot recognize a simple copy-paste?

To begin with, so that they listen to you, stop writing in bold colors. Secondly, all you had to do was say “I misquoted.” Thirdly (and this is probably the main thing) that your words will be ignored by everyone as long as you use the feedback system as a tool of retribution against everyone who disagrees with you (which once again suggests that my tag was extremely accurate).

All I can say is that you have not done Blackjack.fun a great favor by attacking me with such stupid and false accusations. Poor member @ineedhelpplease as he was accused to be me LOL

You should apologize to him and me! but then you need to have some decent blood in your stream. Let's see

Glad you saw my Signature and went t the thread and caught me and my alt account LOL

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

@ineedhelpplease

I am sorry that you have been falsely accused by @icopress

But chapeau for your direct question, because it shows that you have read a lot and understood it very well.

I will check if I have merits and merit you as you are one of not many decent members here.

[JollyGood]

JackpotRacer, you made an allegation of the exploit against Blackjack.fun and they have responded with a claim the exploit you mentioned was fixed. It will be near impossible for them for a variety of reasons to prove their claim to be true but there is nothing stopping you from exploiting the bug and thus proving they are liars. The problem with that is scenario is that you must use the exploit and you are not doing it.

What exactly are the outstanding claims you are making against Blackjack.fun apart from their forum representative being allegedly rude towards you? Is there any other claim?

[JackpotRacer]

JackpotRacer, you made an allegation of the exploit against Blackjack.fun and they have responded with a claim the exploit you mentioned was fixed. It will be near impossible for them for a variety of reasons to prove their claim to be true but there is nothing stopping you from exploiting the bug and thus proving they are liars. The problem with that is scenario is that you must use the exploit and you are not doing it.

sorry the answer is now longer as I thought.

@JollyGood, To be honest, I am not sure if I understood this paragraph of yours. Please be so kind as to explain what you mean. Nevertheless, I will try to answer according to my understanding.

The fact that Blackjack.fun said that they fixed the exploit does not mean that it is fixed. I can say this from my point of view and their past behavior.
If they really fixed it they can prove it. That they went private with the Tourneys and only for invites raises a red flag for me. They also did not in any form published if they started already those private tourneys and how many are interested and participating. Why should someone be able to check for this exploit if they do not know the exploit? I was the one who discovered it and I could easily check if it is fixed. But IMHO they are not interested in proving it. Sure, people will say they can do whatever they want and that is fine by me.

Put on my shoes for a moment and tell me how you would feel or react after I tell you in brief what happened.

Please let me say here that I follow your postings already many years and I was impressed and I thought to understand that you like me have the passion for justice and fairness. No ass-kissing as I don't and never will.

I went to the Blackjack.fun site because I always check out casinos to be up to date and in this case I wanted to check out their Blackjack game. I was not interested in all the other games from their game providers that I am very familiar with. Especially Netent games.
I participated in their free roll tournaments and once played their regular blackjack just to see how it works.

You can check the conversation in the thread I had and gave them some friendly advice and bugs to fix to make the game better. I never asked for a bounty because I was not in it for the money. All these tourneys were 1USDT tourneys. Sorry, but IMHO no one could say that I was in for the money with a 1USDT prize.
To make a long story short, you can read the whole story in my scam accusation.

Blackjack.fun owner/developer accused me out of the blue that I cheated by using thetimer exploit and a big part of the 24USDT I won is because I used the exploit. come on how much can a big part of 24USDT be? sorry for the LOL
I hope you are still wearing my shoes.
I was shocked and insisted that he prove it to me and the forum members by checking the game logs and showing them to everyone. His response was that he did not have time to check the game logs.

How would you respond? To prove his accusation against me, he does not have the time to check the game logs? Ok, but as a serious casino owner and developer, should he not take the time to check who used the exploit and when, to find out how to fix it? How did he fix it as he claims? Please remember that he asked me for an explanation of the exploit, which I did not give him because of his strange behavior towards me.

If he really fixed it, he would have to go through the game logs to understand when the exploit was used and who used it. Logic tells me that the easiest way to find the exploit is to check only the game(s) of one tournament, and this is the one where some players complained about me. If he did this check, then it should tell us that he could easily prove if and how I used the exploit in at least this one tournament and if I won the 1USDT prize. Sorry, but he did not and this tells me that he did not fix it and he did not get clean of his accusation that I stole the big part of the 24USDT (again sorry for the LOL).
BTW, this was the only tournament where I used the exploit as I discovered it shortly before and used it in a way that no one would use if they wanted to win the 1USDT prize. If he would at least show these logs from this tournament, then it would be very clear that his accusation was false and outrageous. To me, this is the answer to why he did not show the logs.

What exactly are the outstanding claims you are making against Blackjack.fun apart from their forum representative being allegedly rude towards you? Is there any other claim?

I think the above explanation should answer this question. Blackjack.fun owner/developer accused me of something I never did and I cannot let it go through and will not.

There was a member who recently asked me a fair question in the Blackjack.fun thread. His name is @dimonstration and I replied to him. His question was
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63819291#msg63819291

my answer:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63819340#msg63819340

@dimonstration not so stupid answer
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63821949#msg63821949

Then he disappeared and I have no idea why he didn't answer, to be honest I have a hunch

That's it for now. Please feel free to ask if anything is still unclear.

Cheers

[Pmalek]

Couldn't help but laugh on how this discussion is proceeding after it popped up at the top of my list.
@JackpotRacer You are one of the biggest pieces of shit I have talked to in the last couple of years.

Your not only stupid you are also a stupid Signature Campaign Manager of Blackjack.fun as you think you will get a medal from the scammer Blackjack.fun for attacking me with LIES.

It's not 'your', it's 'you are', you illiterate moron.

Did you forget the huge respect you had for my campaign manager a couple of weeks ago? Remember, when you were kissing his ass, hoping that would get me in trouble? Let me remind you:

To tell you the truth, I am not sure your signature campaign manager will like your very offensive comment about him. I don't like it because he is a very serious campaign manager as far as I can tell.
BTW I wrote him in a very polite way and in normal text color as I respect him and he did not offend me. so no reason to attack him

I removed the childish red color and the bold text that you wrote in. I hope you won't struggle to recognize that this is your writing without it. I bolded the part that shows the "huge amount of respect" you have for him. It's very interesting how it all changed from that to him being a "stupid signature campaign manager." But, hey, that's the way you roll.

A little summary:

1. You tried to get me in trouble with my campaign manager by reporting my posts to him and praising him publicly. You hoped something would happen to me. Nothing happened, you failed.
2. After that ship sailed and he obviously doesn't agree with you, you reverted back to your usual tactic: Call everyone that disagrees with me and doesn't see things my way, signature spammers, stupid, etc.
3. Your latest masterpiece is the most pathetic one so far. You are now trying to stir up drama between icopress and Blackjack.Fun, by saying how his comments are not doing the casino any favors. Are you hoping they will agree with you, and drop him as their campaign manager? Do you really thing that is going to work? Good luck with that, let us know how it goes.

@ineedhelpplease

I am sorry that you have been falsely accused by @icopress

But chapeau for your direct question, because it shows that you have read a lot and understood it very well.

I will check if I have merits and merit you as you are one of not many decent members here.

Oh, look! Praises and candy for someone who agrees with something you said. Who could have seen that coming?

[JackpotRacer]

Couldn't help but laugh on how this discussion is proceeding after it popped up at the top of my list.
@JackpotRacer You are one of the biggest pieces of shit I have talked to in the last couple of years.

Your not only stupid you are also a stupid Signature Campaign Manager of Blackjack.fun as you think you will get a medal from the scammer Blackjack.fun for attacking me with LIES.

It's not 'your', it's 'you are', you illiterate moron.

Did you forget the huge respect you had for my campaign manager a couple of weeks ago? Remember, when you were kissing his ass, hoping that would get me in trouble? Let me remind you:

To tell you the truth, I am not sure your signature campaign manager will like your very offensive comment about him. I don't like it because he is a very serious campaign manager as far as I can tell.
BTW I wrote him in a very polite way and in normal text color as I respect him and he did not offend me. so no reason to attack him

I removed the childish red color and the bold text that you wrote in. I hope you won't struggle to recognize that this is your writing without it. I bolded the part that shows the "huge amount of respect" you have for him. It's very interesting how it all changed from that to him being a "stupid signature campaign manager." But, hey, that's the way you roll.

A little summary:

1. You tried to get me in trouble with my campaign manager by reporting my posts to him and praising him publicly. You hoped something would happen to me. Nothing happened, you failed.
2. After that ship sailed and he obviously doesn't agree with you, you reverted back to your usual tactic: Call everyone that disagrees with me and doesn't see things my way, signature spammers, stupid, etc.
3. Your latest masterpiece is the most pathetic one so far. You are now trying to stir up drama between icopress and Blackjack.Fun, by saying how his comments are not doing the casino any favors. Are you hoping they will agree with you, and drop him as their campaign manager? Do you really thing that is going to work? Good luck with that, let us know how it goes.

@ineedhelpplease

I am sorry that you have been falsely accused by @icopress

But chapeau for your direct question, because it shows that you have read a lot and understood it very well.

I will check if I have merits and merit you as you are one of not many decent members here.

Oh, look! Praises and candy for someone who agrees with something you said. Who could have seen that coming?

You are a disgrace and shame to this forum and you are not doing your Signature Manager and [banned mixer] any good with your shameless insults and attacks.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes the signature manager @icopress and the owner of [banned mixer] to stop you.

[JollyGood]

They have stated the exploit is fixed but you want them to prove it is fixed. I am asking you to exploit the bug and prove it is not fixed. Why should they do as you ask when you do not do what I ask?

If there is anything else that concerns you, I think the best way to get an understanding of what is going on here is by getting to the crux of the issue. What exactly are your issues or concerns with/about Blackjack.fun and can you list them one at a time like this:

1)

2)

3)

Once we have a comprehensive understanding of your concerns, I am sure they will be addressed. Whether they have already been answered and accepted or not, or whether the answers will satisfy you or not is a different matter altogether but in order to get started you should list your queries/concerns in a legible format without using walls of text and multiple colours in bold font.

JackpotRacer, you made an allegation of the exploit against Blackjack.fun and they have responded with a claim the exploit you mentioned was fixed. It will be near impossible for them for a variety of reasons to prove their claim to be true but there is nothing stopping you from exploiting the bug and thus proving they are liars. The problem with that is scenario is that you must use the exploit and you are not doing it.

sorry the answer is now longer as I thought.

@JollyGood, To be honest, I am not sure if I understood this paragraph of yours. Please be so kind as to explain what you mean. Nevertheless, I will try to answer according to my understanding.

The fact that Blackjack.fun said that they fixed the exploit does not mean that it is fixed. I can say this from my point of view and their past behavior.
If they really fixed it they can prove it. That they went private with the Tourneys and only for invites raises a red flag for me. They also did not in any form published if they started already those private tourneys and how many are interested and participating. Why should someone be able to check for this exploit if they do not know the exploit? I was the one who discovered it and I could easily check if it is fixed. But IMHO they are not interested in proving it. Sure, people will say they can do whatever they want and that is fine by me.

[JackpotRacer]

They have stated the exploit is fixed but you want them to prove it is fixed. I am asking you to exploit the bug and prove it is not fixed. Why should they do as you ask when you do not do what I ask?

If there is anything else that concerns you, I think the best way to get an understanding of what is going on here is by getting to the crux of the issue. What exactly are your issues or concerns with/about Blackjack.fun and can you list them one at a time like this:

1)

2)

3)

Once we have a comprehensive understanding of your concerns, I am sure they will be addressed. Whether they have already been answered and accepted or not, or whether the answers will satisfy you or not is a different matter altogether but in order to get started you should list your queries/concerns in a legible format without using walls of text and multiple colours in bold font.

JackpotRacer, you made an allegation of the exploit against Blackjack.fun and they have responded with a claim the exploit you mentioned was fixed. It will be near impossible for them for a variety of reasons to prove their claim to be true but there is nothing stopping you from exploiting the bug and thus proving they are liars. The problem with that is scenario is that you must use the exploit and you are not doing it.

sorry the answer is now longer as I thought.

@JollyGood, To be honest, I am not sure if I understood this paragraph of yours. Please be so kind as to explain what you mean. Nevertheless, I will try to answer according to my understanding.

The fact that Blackjack.fun said that they fixed the exploit does not mean that it is fixed. I can say this from my point of view and their past behavior.
If they really fixed it they can prove it. That they went private with the Tourneys and only for invites raises a red flag for me. They also did not in any form published if they started already those private tourneys and how many are interested and participating. Why should someone be able to check for this exploit if they do not know the exploit? I was the one who discovered it and I could easily check if it is fixed. But IMHO they are not interested in proving it. Sure, people will say they can do whatever they want and that is fine by me.

@JollyGood I have been following your posts for years and I always thought wow what a good scam fighter. Now I think you have lost your way and not only in my case because at some point you started defending scammers and in my case it is the owner/developer of Blackjack.fun.

I explained now a few times in detail what happened and I will not do it again. I don't have to prove that the exploit was fixed!
Blackjack.fun took a long time to admit the exploit and tell us that he had fixed it. If he fixed it, it would be easy to show us the proof, he could explain the exploit and in what card constellation it appears and how he fixed it. Then, to really prove it, he could have some respected member play and wait for the constellations that allow the player to use the exploit and try to use it. He could even record it on screen for us.

Blackjack.fun is just not interested in really proving it, as it seems he has some advantage in not proving that he fixed it. He also has members like you who defend him and this is even worse because he feels safer when someone like me shows his true face.

You always ask me to prove and prove and prove. Why didn't you ever ask the owner/developer of Blackjack.fun to prove his accusations against me that I used the exploit to cheat him out of a large portion of the 24USDT I won? WHY didn't you ask him?
The owner/developer of Blackjack.fun could easily prove it with game logs and show all the forum members that I am a cheater and exploiter for peanuts! Why didn't he do it and why didn't you ask him? Isn't that strange and very questionable?

It would be so easy for him and I repeat myself as I have already explained it and since it is so easy and will tell everyone that I am telling the truth he just does not do it as he would look very bad with his blatant false accusation against me.
I used this exploit only once in the last tournament I participated in and the owner/developer of BJ fun banned me with letting me see the KYC page so I could not play anymore. he only needs to show the logs of my last tournament to prove how I used the exploit. I have already explained this a few times, so I will spare you and me from doing it again.

@JollyGood for me personally you are a big disappointment and I am sure you do not care. same for me as I do not care about your postings and you are welcome as you mentioned my text color usage in my postings to give me a red trust rating for using too much red color.

[Pmalek]

@JollyGood

Just drop it. It makes no sense trying to communicate with this individual in a normal way. Actually, it makes no sense trying to communicate with him in any other way either. You have noticed by now that there is only one way you can go about it. If he says something, you need to agree with that. Everyone else are signature spammers and stupid people. The moment when you dared to question him, you became a disappointment. I wonder why you are not a signature spammer like the rest of us?

Try it as a social experiment: Tell him the casino is a scammer and see the praises coming your way. Or, tell him how he is wrong and see how long it takes him to call you an idiot.

[JackpotRacer]

@JollyGood

Just drop it. It makes no sense trying to communicate with this individual in a normal way. Actually, it makes no sense trying to communicate with him in any other way either. You have noticed by now that there is only one way you can go about it. If he says something, you need to agree with that. Everyone else are signature spammers and stupid people. The moment when you dared to question him, you became a disappointment. I wonder why you are not a signature spammer like the rest of us?

Try it as a social experiment: Tell him the casino is a scammer and see the praises coming your way. Or, tell him how he is wrong and see how long it takes him to call you an idiot.

Ok let me give it to you in Blue

I never call anyone an idiot because why should I? you are not an idiot that would be a compliment because you are much worse. I told you I will mirror anyone who attacks and insults me.

If I am wrong, then prove it, easy as that. Blackjack.fun could easily prove it and so far they have not proved that I am the exploiter of the big part of 24USDT LOL.
Why should the owner of Blackjack.fun prove it if only I ask him to prove it when he has so many lawyers / signature spammers defending him.

Thank you for giving me another opportunity to respond to you.

[JollyGood]

You always ask me to prove and prove and prove. Why didn't you ever ask the owner/developer of Blackjack.fun to prove his accusations against me that I used the exploit to cheat him out of a large portion of the 24USDT I won? WHY didn't you ask him?
The owner/developer of Blackjack.fun could easily prove it with game logs and show all the forum members that I am a cheater and exploiter for peanuts! Why didn't he do it and why didn't you ask him? Isn't that strange and very questionable?

They have already stated they will not elaborate on the fix probably because they do not want to give ideas to would-be hackers trying to find similar exploits in similar places.

Still, I will relay your request in a post in this thread and ask them to prove they fixed the bug but I will only do it on the condition you first post here to explicitly state you have exploited the bug again and can prove them as liars.

It would be so easy for him and I repeat myself as I have already explained it and since it is so easy and will tell everyone that I am telling the truth he just does not do it as he would look very bad with his blatant false accusation against me.
I used this exploit only once in the last tournament I participated in and the owner/developer of BJ fun banned me with letting me see the KYC page so I could not play anymore. he only needs to show the logs of my last tournament to prove how I used the exploit. I have already explained this a few times, so I will spare you and me from doing it again.

And keeping all of what you have stated, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from attempting to exploit the bug again (if it exists).

To be honest and neutral in this situation, I am more concerned about you not being able to prove the exploit still exists.

Chronologically, first you stated there was an exploit and second they stated they fixed it. Any rational person that did not believe their reply about the exploit being fixed would not ask them to prove it, rather they would exploit the bug again (if it still existed) and then call them a liar with evidence.

This is not specific to Blackjack.fun but to any casino/gaming website: Had the exploit not been patched, anybody in your position probably should have used their initiative to show the casino/gaming website as untrustworthy by proving the exploit was not fixed and in the process it would have ended their reputation in the forum.

Do you realise you can effectively destroy their reputation as they will receive multiple red tags IF you can prove they are liars. I do not know about the exact process to execute in order to exploit the bug, nor does anybody else in this forum except you. The fact you are unable to prove they are liars yet maintain a line that they should prove to you they are telling the truth does not stack up.

Still, I will relay your request in a post and ask them to prove they fixed the bug on the condition you explicitly state you will exploit the bug again and prove them as liars before I proceed. Please provide evidence of your claim too.

@JollyGood for me personally you are a big disappointment and I am sure you do not care. same for me as I do not care about your postings and you are welcome as you mentioned my text color usage in my postings to give me a red trust rating for using too much red color.[/b][/color]

No problem, if you see me as a big disappointment I am not concerned at your opinion of me because we do not know each other as we have not really interacted (beyond a few exchanges) in the years I have been using the forum. Though not necessary to state, I do care about the opinions of a very small number of members have about me and clearly you are not part of them.

If you cannot post here to categorically state you have again exploited the bug and provide evidence to back it up, I will be unable to engage with you any further.

@JollyGood

Just drop it. It makes no sense trying to communicate with this individual in a normal way. Actually, it makes no sense trying to communicate with him in any other way either.

I definitely understand your point. I think I have tried to fair and neutral in this matter but the ball is in his court for the last time. If he does not provide evidence the exploit still exists I will stop responding to him and will have to use the ignore button. Let us see what happens when he posts next time.

[OgNasty]

It will be interesting to see how long it takes the signature manager @icopress and the owner of [banned mixer] to stop you.

That will literally never happen.  I had some idiot attack me with a reputation thread saying I stole money to order a Cybertruck because a moderator deleted their off topic post bashing Elon Musk on a different thread I had going.  I guess he thought I deleted his post and he got mad at me or something?  Anyway, icopress joined in with him in bashing me after I showed him what happened.  This is clearly not professional behavior or the type of management someone should be paying for.  You have to realize that they're running a money laundering operation to begin with, then things make more sense about the types of people involved.

[holydarkness]

With some headache caused by a specifically notorious user on other cases [hopefully] closed, I am circling back to this one.

Eva, blackjack.fun, if I may suggest a way to prove you're never without license, as per JollyGood inquired, while still maintaining the sensitive data of your... company details [though honestly I don't think I understand what kind of sensitive data contained within a certification that should be protected], can you perhaps provide a screenshot with sensitive data being covered like below? I am completely aware that it's a different format and different licensor, but I believe the essential information are mostly the same




I even think you can provide something like this, if you want to extremely guard your details, as --I believe-- what's being inquired by JG is just the date the certification became effective. So I believe the master license letter head, the name of your website, and the date visible is enough.

[...]

You know what? After taking a long break and revisiting this thread, I think there is something fishy here. You were right!

[CC: Pmalek]

[JackpotRacer]

You always ask me to prove and prove and prove. Why didn't you ever ask the owner/developer of Blackjack.fun to prove his accusations against me that I used the exploit to cheat him out of a large portion of the 24USDT I won? WHY didn't you ask him?
The owner/developer of Blackjack.fun could easily prove it with game logs and show all the forum members that I am a cheater and exploiter for peanuts! Why didn't he do it and why didn't you ask him? Isn't that strange and very questionable?

They have already stated they will not elaborate on the fix probably because they do not want to give ideas to would-be hackers trying to find similar exploits in similar places.

Still, I will relay your request in a post in this thread and ask them to prove they fixed the bug but I will only do it on the condition you first post here to explicitly state you have exploited the bug again and can prove them as liars.

Again, you are defending Blackjack.fun instead of asking them the right questions. You are a scammer defender and not a scammer hunter as members think you are.
You or they or both are contradicting yourselves by saying that Balckjack.fun owner does not want to elaborate on the efix as it would give ideas to hackers. the exploit is already there and if it is fixed it is fixed. why would a hacker try to revive the exploit when he can hack them and do much more damage? Besides, casinos should implement better security if they are afraid of hackers.
They had the best exploit and bug finder for free but they kicked him out. This already is a red flag!

What kind of condition are you asking for? How can I say that I used the exploit again? Remember, I used it once just to make sure it was an exploit, and then I got banned.

They were smart enough to change the Tourneys to private and invite-only so they could be sure I would not be able to test it. Another red flag.

It would be so easy for him and I repeat myself as I have already explained it and since it is so easy and will tell everyone that I am telling the truth he just does not do it as he would look very bad with his blatant false accusation against me.
I used this exploit only once in the last tournament I participated in and the owner/developer of BJ fun banned me with letting me see the KYC page so I could not play anymore. he only needs to show the logs of my last tournament to prove how I used the exploit. I have already explained this a few times, so I will spare you and me from doing it again.

And keeping all of what you have stated, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from attempting to exploit the bug again (if it exists).

To be honest and neutral in this situation, I am more concerned about you not being able to prove the exploit still exists.

Chronologically, first you stated there was an exploit and second they stated they fixed it. Any rational person that did not believe their reply about the exploit being fixed would not ask them to prove it, rather they would exploit the bug again (if it still existed) and then call them a liar with evidence.

This is not specific to Blackjack.fun but to any casino/gaming website: Had the exploit not been patched, anybody in your position probably should have used their initiative to show the casino/gaming website as untrustworthy by proving the exploit was not fixed and in the process it would have ended their reputation in the forum.

Do you realise you can effectively destroy their reputation as they will receive multiple red tags IF you can prove they are liars. I do not know about the exact process to execute in order to exploit the bug, nor does anybody else in this forum except you. The fact you are unable to prove they are liars yet maintain a line that they should prove to you they are telling the truth does not stack up.

Still, I will relay your request in a post and ask them to prove they fixed the bug on the condition you explicitly state you will exploit the bug again and prove them as liars before I proceed. Please provide evidence of your claim too.

Why are you claiming or saying that nothing can stop me from exploiting the bug again?
If it is fixed I and no one else can exploit it again. if it is not fixed even if I could play why would I exploit it to win 1 USDT?
I did not do it the first time I discovered the exploit, so why are you saying I can do it now?
Don't you get it? I cannot prove if it is fixed? I strongly doubt that it is fixed until Blackjack.fun proves that it is fixed.

Actually, I don't care anymore if it is fixed or not. I care much more that the owner of Blackjack.fun will prove that I used the timer exploit and cheated him out of the big part of 24USDT, because if he would prove it long ago, I would be the rightful scammer and cheater. Why didn't he do that? He only needed to check and show the game logs of one tournament (the last one I participated in) where I used the exploit and players complained about me. He does not even need to check all the tourneys I played in, but if I were him, I would check all the tourneys, because that is where he would find the real scammer and exploiter of the timer exploit.
Why didn't he do that? another red flag in my book.

@JollyGood for me personally you are a big disappointment and I am sure you do not care. same for me as I do not care about your postings and you are welcome as you mentioned my text color usage in my postings to give me a red trust rating for using too much red color.[/b][/color]

No problem, if you see me as a big disappointment I am not concerned at your opinion of me because we do not know each other as we have not really interacted (beyond a few exchanges) in the years I have been using the forum. Though not necessary to state, I do care about the opinions of a very small number of members have about me and clearly you are not part of them.

If you cannot post here to categorically state you have again exploited the bug and provide evidence to back it up, I will be unable to engage with you any further.

I think I made my point very clear to you and many others. I provided evidence that the exploit existed and now it is up to Blackjack.fun to prove that it is fixed as I don't have to prove that they have fixed it.
You and many others here defending Blackjack.fun the Scammer are to blame for him taking the position he does and thinking he does not have to prove anything. Well done if you are a scammer defender, but very bad as a scammer hunter.

Check out this answer to Eva as it was spot on IMHO after they announced they were going private and invitation only.

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

You should change your tagline: Honesty is the best policy.   Taking away the ability for your community to discuss your concept publically is not honest.    (Look at r/bitcoin for example) 

By the way, everyone is talking to Eva, who started the thread, but she disappeared for a long time. So it is good that you guys are defending them, keeping the thread going and defending them. They do not seem to be very interested in it anymore as you guys made it clear that Jackpotracer is to blame.



Sorry but I have to go on to check the other defenders postings to see if they are real or an April Fool's joke LOL





 

[Pmalek]

You know what? After taking a long break and revisiting this thread, I think there is something fishy here. You were right!

[CC: Pmalek]

No praises yet. Let's wait and see.
Regarding the license, I don't consider it that important of an issue to negatively tag someone for it. It's misleading and deserves a neutral tag at worst if you ask me. If, of course, they lied about it. The major concern is whether a casino is or isn't scamming its players. That's why I am not asking about the license issue anymore, like JollyGood is.

On a different note, has this degenerate now started scamming people? Little Mouse posted unreferenced feedback that he scammed him out of $600. I am guessing on Telegram or some other chat service where you can easily impersonate anyone.

[Little Mouse]

On a different note, has this degenerate now started scamming people? Little Mouse posted unreferenced feedback that he scammed him out of $600. I am guessing on Telegram or some other chat service where you can easily impersonate anyone.

I have been scammed by him ($600). He impersonated Shuffle founder on telegram. Timing was bad for me as I was dealing with something else which was more important for me. I didnt bother sending $300 first as everything was nicely set up. Once again, I was asked to send $300 more which I did. Until then I didnt realize that it was scam. Later when he asked another $600, I realized that I was scammed. Checked instantly and turned out that I was scammed. For not a single time, I thought why would Noah ask me for an invoice payment. Scammer on telegram told me that he just tagged me. I checked and found that it was jackpotracer.
Just to inform you, jackpotracer has been asking me to remove nutildah from MetaWin campaign which I denied and even I didn't share with nutildah either. He threatened me that he will reach MetaWin if I don't remove nutildah. He reached MetaWin on Friday or Saturday. I had to face few questions from MetaWin rep. This is ridiculous.

And it was my surprise that this scammer even reached Noah (shuffle founder) impersonating me but luckily he was able to identify the scammer.

In my internet life, I have been barely scammed. I was even aware of such attempt as back in the days, I was managing few telegram channels. But jackpotracer was able to scam me. As I told it was bad timing for me.

[nutildah]

^^^
That is awful. Sorry to hear about that bud. And I do appreciate you sticking up for me. Turns out the hunches of everyone who ever left a feedback for him was correct. I'm thinking a flag is probably warranted at this point but its late here and I'll have to take a closer inspection of the situation tomorrow. We now know we are dealing with a game-protect level sociopath who will stop at nothing to make a dirty buck in the sleaziest of ways possible. Possibly the worst type of characters that the forum has to endure.

[holydarkness]

[...]
Regarding the license, I don't consider it that important of an issue to negatively tag someone for it. It's misleading and deserves a neutral tag at worst if you ask me. If, of course, they lied about it. The major concern is whether a casino is or isn't scamming its players. That's why I am not asking about the license issue anymore, like JollyGood is.

TBH, I've left that matter quite a while too after taking another spin at this whole situation. What I base my opinion from, is that [the reputation of Anjouan aside] during the absence of license, there were no one reported or complained of being scammed by them. So yeah, misleading at best, but I personally am not interested to pursue this matter as it [far as I know, based on current narrative] doesn't cause someone to suffer financial loss.

I asked them to clarify it simply [if I may be honest] so we can cross it out of the list and address the more on-point topic that OP raised: clearing their name against JPR. Of which... Amongst the muds he sling, one can be easily cleared by clarifying the situation of that timer-bug exploit.

On a different note, has this degenerate now started scamming people? Little Mouse posted unreferenced feedback that he scammed him out of $600. I am guessing on Telegram or some other chat service where you can easily impersonate anyone.

I have been scammed by him ($600). He impersonated Shuffle founder on telegram. [...]

Do you mind to create a thread on scam accusation board about this? So it will be well documented and, upon supported by evidence, he can be tagged? Lest other campaign manager fall into the same situation.

If I may ventured a guess, he probably targeted campaigns who work with users who are against him. icopress, you might be interested to take a note about this attempt and be a bit more careful in the following days?

[Pmalek]

<Snip>

I am sorry you fell for his impersonation tactics. Did you ever speak to the real Noah over Telegram? If you did, and neither you nor him deleted those conversations, they would have just continued if the real person contacted you. In comparison to that, a brand-new account would also mean a completely blank conversation history.

Just to inform you, jackpotracer has been asking me to remove nutildah from MetaWin campaign which I denied and even I didn't share with nutildah either. He threatened me that he will reach MetaWin if I don't remove nutildah. He reached MetaWin on Friday or Saturday. I had to face few questions from MetaWin rep. This is ridiculous.

I called it a week ago. I knew he would attempt something like that. I am pretty sure he asked icopress to remove me from the campaign as well. It was back when he still claimed to have respect for icopress and tried to sweet-talk him. When that didn't work, he probably got in touch with Jambler, asking to have us both removed.

This is a very malicious individual out for blood. He will be happy with any harm he does to anyone that gets into his way. It stopped being about him vs. Blackjack.Fun a long time ago. His frustrations kept rising after nothing went his way, starting with the $24 that were left on Blackjack.Fun.

@Everyone that doesn't agree with him, be ready for anything. He might even try to set someone up for something. I can think of several things but I am not going to give him any ideas.

Here is what I said last week:

Having said that, I am not going to answer any of your other questions in this thread.
Why? Because this is what your fragile mind has conjured up: You couldn't get me in trouble with icopress, so you tried to get icopress in trouble with another campaign he manages. Because that failed, you have now slightly changed your tactics. You are going to try to present icopress and myself as bad images to Jambler, hoping to provoke us into saying something nasty or not knowing/wanting to answer your questions. After that, you plan on asking Jambler why they would want us in their campaign and that it would be best to remove us because of how terrible we are.

Did I forget something?
Go away little boy, no one is interested.

Do you mind to create a thread on scam accusation board about this? So it will be well documented and, upon supported by evidence, he can be tagged? Lest other campaign manager fall into the same situation.

I don't think he has any evidence. It's Telegram, remember? Any side of a private conversation can delete the whole history without the other party being able to do anything about it. But yes, a thread about the incident should still be created. It wouldn't be enough for new tags from an objective point of few, but it's good to have it out in the open.

[Little Mouse]

Do you mind to create a thread on scam accusation board about this? So it will be well documented and, upon supported by evidence, he can be tagged? Lest other campaign manager fall into the same situation.

I'll create one but it will take some time. I have one screenshot of him saying that he left me neg tag. Rest of the chat has been deleted before I tried to take screenshot.

I am sorry you fell for his impersonation tactics. Did you ever speak to the real Noah over Telegram? If you did, and neither you nor him deleted those conversations, they would have just continued if the real person contacted you. In comparison to that, a brand-new account would also mean a completely blank conversation history.

I have been chatting with Noah in telegram for a long time. JPR sent me a lots of message together, so I didnt notice that it was a new chat. It's because my attention was in somewhere else. Asked me to join a group which was totally set up lol
 I joined and got scammed. No regret here because I could have lost a bigger amount too as Noah's face value is way bigger than $600. Luckily it was only $600.

[holydarkness]

^^^
That is awful. Sorry to hear about that bud. And I do appreciate you sticking up for me. Turns out the hunches of everyone who ever left a feedback for him was correct. I'm thinking a flag is probably warranted at this point but its late here and I'll have to take a closer inspection of the situation tomorrow. We now know we are dealing with a game-protect level sociopath who will stop at nothing to make a dirty buck in the sleaziest of ways possible. Possibly the worst type of characters that the forum has to endure.

Depending on the situation on LM's case, and under what condition and/or reason did he send USD 600 to JPR, I don't think a level 2 or 3 flag can be issued. No one enters a written or implicit contract with JPR. Best case scenario will be a type-1. It can be argued to be based on this situation [which he failed to address]:

[...] In relation to the point above, I'd give you a chance to make your stance clear on this matter: it is a free roll and thus when you do what you did over and over [though you're not coming as the winner of that match], it is not taking advantage of anyone because there is no one suffering a loss, since they did not sacrifice anything to join the game, or is it a real money and real investment because even though the prize money coming from the owner, people are still investing their time on it, as such, when you did what you did, you're placing someone at a disadvantage because by manipulating the bug, you're denying someone of the chance that they win something, made them lose their time investment, and not to mention the moral and emotional damage branching from a frustration?
[...]

Unless... a simple fleeting thought that I still have to take a deeper look at, but currently I think blackjack.fun can actually raise a level 2 or 3, a breach of agreement from the ToS side, as below, which he violates when he deliberately use the bug for his advantage [a petty revenge to other user] and effectively [3.10.] manipulate the market or element of the service in bad faith [the petty revenge] and/or [4.1.5.] disrupt and affect the activities of other customer and BJF's service, and [clearly] didn't make them whole with the whole accusations JPR made inside and outside the forum



For this to be true, though, we'll need to know if that's the ToS that JPR entered and agreed upon sign up and not an updated one that take into effect only after he left the platform.

[Pmalek]

Unless... a simple fleeting thought that I still have to take a deeper look at, but currently I think blackjack.fun can actually raise a level 2 or 3, a breach of agreement from the ToS side, as below, which he violates when he deliberately use the bug for his advantage [a petty revenge to other user] and effectively [3.10.] manipulate the market or element of the service in bad faith [the petty revenge] and/or [4.1.5.] disrupt and affect the activities of other customer and BJF's service, and [clearly] didn't make them whole with the whole accusations JPR made inside and outside the forum

His word means less than shit at this point. Even his explanations and reasoning that he only wanted to help the casino fix the bugs in its games can't be trusted anymore. A scammer is a scammer, regardless of the amount. If he can't scam you for $600, he will gladly take only $24 from you to satisfy his sick and pathetic needs.

[JackpotRacer]

With some headache caused by a specifically notorious user on other cases [hopefully] closed, I am circling back to this one.

Eva, blackjack.fun, if I may suggest a way to prove you're never without license, as per JollyGood inquired, while still maintaining the sensitive data of your... company details [though honestly I don't think I understand what kind of sensitive data contained within a certification that should be protected], can you perhaps provide a screenshot with sensitive data being covered like below? I am completely aware that it's a different format and different licensor, but I believe the essential information are mostly the same

I even think you can provide something like this, if you want to extremely guard your details, as --I believe-- what's being inquired by JG is just the date the certification became effective. So I believe the master license letter head, the name of your website, and the date visible is enough.

[...]

You know what? After taking a long break and revisiting this thread, I think there is something fishy here. You were right!

[CC: Pmalek]

When I saw the post above and the following one

...............................
I asked them to clarify it simply [if I may be honest] so we can cross it out of the list and address the more on-point topic that OP raised: clearing their name against JPR. Of which... Amongst the muds he sling, one can be easily cleared by clarifying the situation of that timer-bug exploit.

I wanted to reply that I did not see this coming and was pleasantly surprised and pleased.
Because anyone can make a mistake, but it takes a strong character to rethink and admit that it was a mistake. not many are able to do that.
but then I saw this one

I have been scammed by him ($600). He impersonated Shuffle founder on telegram. [...]

Do you mind to create a thread on scam accusation board about this? So it will be well documented and, upon supported by evidence, he can be tagged? Lest other campaign manager fall into the same situation.

If I may ventured a guess, he probably targeted campaigns who work with users who are against him. icopress, you might be interested to take a note about this attempt and be a bit more careful in the following days?

Very confusing now, because if I understood you correctly, you advised @icopress to open a scam accusation thread against me. So somehow you have changed your mind and think that I am the scammer here and everywhere.

No problem with that, if @icopress is so eager and will insist on exposing himself as a fool I welcome it and let's see what his clients like PeachBitcoin and exch.cx will say, not mentioning Blackjack.fun as they are like a married couple and do fishy things anyway.

Anyway, the post below gave me a lot of food for thought.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes the signature manager @icopress and the owner of [banned mixer] to stop you.

That will literally never happen.  I had some idiot attack me with a reputation thread saying I stole money to order a Cybertruck because a moderator deleted their off topic post bashing Elon Musk on a different thread I had going.  I guess he thought I deleted his post and he got mad at me or something?  Anyway, icopress joined in with him in bashing me after I showed him what happened.  This is clearly not professional behavior or the type of management someone should be paying for.  You have to realize that they're running a money laundering operation to begin with, then things make more sense about the types of people involved.

I am not going to go into detail about the other postings by @Pmalek @Little Mouse @nutildah because it looks like a witch hunt or an April Fool's thing.

But if it is not an April Fool thing then please open a scam accusation thread with all the proof needed for the claim even it as I understood did not happen in this forum but on telegram. why not open on telegram a scam accusation thread or ask telegram to expose the scammer so @icopress can ask the police for help. I would also be interested to know who impersonated me and please give me a link where I can find the thread on Telegram where it happened.

What I can say is thank you for the laugh as I almost fell off my chair laughing so much, whether the witch hunt was really meant or it was an April Fool's joke, either way it was a good one LOL.


By the way, I gave it to you in green because green is the color of hope. Bitcoin is also hope so who knows maybe you will come down from the tree you climbed so high. But I still hope it was an April Fool's joke LOL


Here is the link to my late reply to @JollyGood, maybe it helps for more insights given by me, as the truth is always with me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485686.msg63881351#msg63881351

There is a very old and nice expression saying
"Show me the Money"

In your case guys I changed it to
Show me your  Signature""

[holydarkness]

I wanted to reply that I did not see this coming and was pleasantly surprised and pleased.
Because anyone can make a mistake, but it takes a strong character to rethink and admit that it was a mistake. not many are able to do that.

Pmalek, ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...!!!

[...]
but then I saw this one

[...]icopress, you might be interested to take a note about this attempt and be a bit more careful in the following days?

Very confusing now, because if I understood you correctly, you advised @icopress to open a scam accusation thread against me.

Nope, I am not advising icopress to raise a scam accusation against you, only LM. I simply asked him to exercise some caution in the following days. There's never any harm in practicing extra caution against any attempt to scam by anyone, is there?

But... those green text I snipped, you're saying you're not the one contacting LM?

[icopress]

There's never any harm in practicing extra caution against any attempt to scam by anyone, is there?

However, despite my paranoid caution, last week I was scammed for 26.3 SOL by a guy I've been following on Twitter for years (his account was hacked).

No one is safe 

[JackpotRacer]

I wanted to reply that I did not see this coming and was pleasantly surprised and pleased.
Because anyone can make a mistake, but it takes a strong character to rethink and admit that it was a mistake. not many are able to do that.

Pmalek, ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...!!!

[...]
but then I saw this one

[...]icopress, you might be interested to take a note about this attempt and be a bit more careful in the following days?

Very confusing now, because if I understood you correctly, you advised @icopress to open a scam accusation thread against me.

Nope, I am not advising icopress to raise a scam accusation against you, only LM. I simply asked him to exercise some caution in the following days. There's never any harm in practicing extra caution against any attempt to scam by anyone, is there?

Fair enough, and in this case I repeat that I am very happy to see a member like you have the balls to change his mind and admit it. IMO it is always better to try to solve scams, cheats or other problems together instead of fighting each other.

But... those green text I snipped, you're saying you're not the one contacting LM?

Yes, I say and repeat that I have not contacted or scammed or even tried to scam @LM onTelegram.
He is always welcome to open a scam accusation against me wherever he wants.

I would like to have the link to the telegram group where this happened and to see the conversation he had with a telegram member with my name = Jackpotracer. If he can show this and prove that this is not an April Fool's joke or an ugly made up accusation against me, then I will offer all the help I can give to find the impersonator and scammer.

Unless... a simple fleeting thought that I still have to take a deeper look at, but currently I think blackjack.fun can actually raise a level 2 or 3, a breach of agreement from the ToS side, as below, which he violates when he deliberately use the bug for his advantage [a petty revenge to other user] and effectively [3.10.] manipulate the market or element of the service in bad faith [the petty revenge] and/or [4.1.5.] disrupt and affect the activities of other customer and BJF's service, and [clearly] didn't make them whole with the whole accusations JPR made inside and outside the forum

His word means less than shit at this point. Even his explanations and reasoning that he only wanted to help the casino fix the bugs in its games can't be trusted anymore. A scammer is a scammer, regardless of the amount. If he can't scam you for $600, he will gladly take only $24 from you to satisfy his sick and pathetic needs.

Thank you for the disgusting language and unjust accusation as I will report it again and again to your Signature Payer Jambler even he might be proud of members/posters like you. But many users of Jambler will not be happy about all of you.

Check this as it tells a lot about Jambler and people like you

It will be interesting to see how long it takes the signature manager @icopress and the owner of [banned mixer] to stop you.

That will literally never happen.  I had some idiot attack me with a reputation thread saying I stole money to order a Cybertruck because a moderator deleted their off topic post bashing Elon Musk on a different thread I had going.  I guess he thought I deleted his post and he got mad at me or something?  Anyway, icopress joined in with him in bashing me after I showed him what happened.  This is clearly not professional behavior or the type of management someone should be paying for.  You have to realize that they're running a money laundering operation to begin with, then things make more sense about the types of people involved.

Same for Blackjack.fun and stop spreading lies that I cheated Blackjack.fun out of 24USDT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot open a Scam Accusation against you or the others who spread your lies because it doesn't cost you to spread lies and in actual fact you get even paid for it by showing your signature.
But I can open a Reputation Thread for you and the other LIARS and Signature Spammers.

Keep the lies and foul language coming.

On a different note, has this degenerate now started scamming people? Little Mouse posted unreferenced feedback that he scammed him out of $600. I am guessing on Telegram or some other chat service where you can easily impersonate anyone.

I have been scammed by him ($600). He impersonated Shuffle founder on telegram. Timing was bad for me as I was dealing with something else which was more important for me. I didnt bother sending $300 first as everything was nicely set up. Once again, I was asked to send $300 more which I did. Until then I didnt realize that it was scam. Later when he asked another $600, I realized that I was scammed. Checked instantly and turned out that I was scammed. For not a single time, I thought why would Noah ask me for an invoice payment. Scammer on telegram told me that he just tagged me. I checked and found that it was jackpotracer.
Just to inform you, jackpotracer has been asking me to remove nutildah from MetaWin campaign which I denied and even I didn't share with nutildah either. He threatened me that he will reach MetaWin if I don't remove nutildah. He reached MetaWin on Friday or Saturday. I had to face few questions from MetaWin rep. This is ridiculous.

And it was my surprise that this scammer even reached Noah (shuffle founder) impersonating me but luckily he was able to identify the scammer.

In my internet life, I have been barely scammed. I was even aware of such attempt as back in the days, I was managing few telegram channels. But jackpotracer was able to scam me. As I told it was bad timing for me.

@Little Mouse I will repeat what I wrote to @holydarkness above

Yes, I say and repeat that I have not contacted or scammed or even tried to scam @LM onTelegram.
He is always welcome to open a scam accusation against me wherever he wants.

I would like to have the link to the telegram group where this happened and to see the conversation he had with a telegram member with my name = Jackpotracer. If he can show this and prove that this is not an April Fool's joke or an ugly made up accusation against me, then I will offer all the help I can give to find the impersonator and scammer.

Waiting for your answer

[Pmalek]

Pmalek, ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...!!!

What did I tell you? He is completely oblivious to what is happening around him. He is like a little dog, he wags his tail to anyone who looks at him, pets him, or speaks to him softly. If not, he barks at you, ready to bite. Tell him it's all an act to shatter his dreams that you are on his side. Or go along with it a little bit longer. It will make the revelation even funnier.

However, despite my paranoid caution, last week I was scammed for 26.3 SOL by a guy I've been following on Twitter for years (his account was hacked).

No one is safe 

Sorry to hear that. It's like $5 grand.

[holydarkness]

Fair enough, and in this case I repeat that I am very happy to see a member like you have the balls to change his mind and admit it. IMO it is always better to try to solve scams, cheats or other problems together instead of fighting each other.

Pmalek, ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...!!!

What did I tell you? He is completely oblivious to what is happening around him.

But... those green text I snipped, you're saying you're not the one contacting LM?

Yes, I say and repeat that I have not contacted or scammed or even tried to scam @LM onTelegram.
He is always welcome to open a scam accusation against me wherever he wants.

Since you're apparently in the mood of answering questions, can you perhaps help us by also attending this post of mine that's left unaddressed? If it's too long to address at once, you can focus on this one below first:

[...] In relation to the point above, I'd give you a chance to make your stance clear on this matter: it is a free roll and thus when you do what you did over and over [though you're not coming as the winner of that match], it is not taking advantage of anyone because there is no one suffering a loss, since they did not sacrifice anything to join the game, or is it a real money and real investment because even though the prize money coming from the owner, people are still investing their time on it, as such, when you did what you did, you're placing someone at a disadvantage because by manipulating the bug, you're denying someone of the chance that they win something, made them lose their time investment, and not to mention the moral and emotional damage branching from a frustration?
[...]

[JackpotRacer]

But... those green text I snipped, you're saying you're not the one contacting LM?

Yes, I say and repeat that I have not contacted or scammed or even tried to scam @LM onTelegram.
He is always welcome to open a scam accusation against me wherever he wants.

Since you're apparently in the mood of answering questions, can you perhaps help us by also attending this post of mine that's left unaddressed? If it's too long to address at once, you can focus on this one below first:

[...] In relation to the point above, I'd give you a chance to make your stance clear on this matter: it is a free roll and thus when you do what you did over and over [though you're not coming as the winner of that match], it is not taking advantage of anyone because there is no one suffering a loss, since they did not sacrifice anything to join the game, or is it a real money and real investment because even though the prize money coming from the owner, people are still investing their time on it, as such, when you did what you did, you're placing someone at a disadvantage because by manipulating the bug, you're denying someone of the chance that they win something, made them lose their time investment, and not to mention the moral and emotional damage branching from a frustration?
[...]

it looks you are still with @Pmalek on the same page  @Pmalek is a Shame and disgrace for this Forum

I am always in the mood to answer serious questions and not April Fool's questions.

If you had read all my explanations, you would not be asking these questions and you would even have learned a bit about the Blackjack game. I have explained to you and @JollyGood many times what happened and how it works, but it looks like you want to continue the witch hunt and defend the Scammer Blackjack.fun owner. You are welcome because the truth is with me.
BTW, why did you all even jump into the scam accusation discussion if you never played or even watched their blackjack games and it anyway looks like you do not even have basic knowledge of the blackjack game? the only answer to that is that you are the official Blackjack.fun owner's defenders/lawyers. 

A good example
Why has member @Vod understood what they are doing and you guys close your eyes and brain?

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

You should change your tagline: Honesty is the best policy.   Taking away the ability for your community to discuss your concept publically is not honest.    (Look at r/bitcoin for example) 

[holydarkness]

it looks you are still with @Pmalek on the same page  @Pmalek is a Shame and disgrace for this Forum
 

What? Where do you infer that from? I've told you that I think you were right, that there is something fishy here.

I am always in the mood to answer serious questions and not April Fool's questions.

I extremely sure that is not intended as an april fools' question, given I asked that three weeks before first of April even come. I should have known the best that it's intended to be a serious question... given I'm the one asking it.

If you had read all my explanations, you would not be asking these questions and you would even have learned a bit about the Blackjack game. I have explained to you and @JollyGood many times what happened and how it works, but it looks like you want to continue the witch hunt and defend the Scammer Blackjack.fun owner. You are welcome because the truth is with me.
BTW, why did you all even jump into the scam accusation discussion if you never played or even watched their blackjack games and it anyway looks like you do not even have basic knowledge of the blackjack game? the only answer to that is that you are the official Blackjack.fun owner's defenders/lawyers. 

Perhaps I don't get it. Do you mind to spell it out for me? For us all? In a very short, yes or no answer, if you may?

[JollyGood]

I do not know much about SOL but looked at the price and it trades at c.$185 therefore if you lost over 26 SOL it is a sizeable amount. I am sorry to read about this.

It is extremely common for even the most careful people to become victims of scams when they unfortunately take their focus away for a minute or lower their guard temporarily.

However, despite my paranoid caution, last week I was scammed for 26.3 SOL by a guy I've been following on Twitter for years (his account was hacked).

No one is safe 

[JackpotRacer]

it looks you are still with @Pmalek on the same page  @Pmalek is a Shame and disgrace for this Forum
 

What? Where do you infer that from? I've told you that I think you were right, that there is something fishy here.

I got it from your answer here to @Pmalek. What did you mean by >ding ding ding ..... and the picture that says > How do we tell him? I see it as sarcastic and not serious, please correct me if I misunderstood it.

Pmalek, ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...!!!

What did I tell you? He is completely oblivious to what is happening around him.

I am always in the mood to answer serious questions and not April Fool's questions.

I extremely sure that is not intended as an april fools' question, given I asked that three weeks before first of April even come. I should have known the best that it's intended to be a serious question... given I'm the one asking it.

If you had read all my explanations, you would not be asking these questions and you would even have learned a bit about the Blackjack game. I have explained to you and @JollyGood many times what happened and how it works, but it looks like you want to continue the witch hunt and defend the Scammer Blackjack.fun owner. You are welcome because the truth is with me.
BTW, why did you all even jump into the scam accusation discussion if you never played or even watched their blackjack games and it anyway looks like you do not even have basic knowledge of the blackjack game? the only answer to that is that you are the official Blackjack.fun owner's defenders/lawyers. 

Perhaps I don't get it. Do you mind to spell it out for me? For us all? In a very short, yes or no answer, if you may?
[/quote]

Please ask a very clear question and I will be happy to answer it, be it a yes or no question or a question that needs a little more explanation for better understanding.

[JollyGood]

For my part (not that it matters much), I am removing myself from the thread.

Before departing, I would like to re-iterate my points and comments mentioned specific to their licences because my views are still the same. I think Blackjack could easily have verified they indeed had a valid licence during 31st December 2023 with Curacao and from 1st January 2024 to 18th February 2024 with Anjouan but have actively avoided proving it.

As it currently stands, they displayed a valid licence on their website from 19th February 2024 after members of the forum questioned why they were showing a Curacao logo without a validator link. Eva attested a valid licence was always in place during the overlap but as this was never proven, I do not believe them. I have mentioned before, that is the only blemish on their record at the moment and that one licence issue is not even a big problem in the grand scheme of things.

I have been scammed by him ($600). He impersonated Shuffle founder on telegram. Timing was bad for me as I was dealing with something else which was more important for me. I didnt bother sending $300 first as everything was nicely set up. Once again, I was asked to send $300 more which I did. Until then I didnt realize that it was scam. Later when he asked another $600, I realized that I was scammed. Checked instantly and turned out that I was scammed. For not a single time, I thought why would Noah ask me for an invoice payment. Scammer on telegram told me that he just tagged me. I checked and found that it was jackpotracer.
Just to inform you, jackpotracer has been asking me to remove nutildah from MetaWin campaign which I denied and even I didn't share with nutildah either. He threatened me that he will reach MetaWin if I don't remove nutildah. He reached MetaWin on Friday or Saturday. I had to face few questions from MetaWin rep. This is ridiculous.

And it was my surprise that this scammer even reached Noah (shuffle founder) impersonating me but luckily he was able to identify the scammer.

In my internet life, I have been barely scammed. I was even aware of such attempt as back in the days, I was managing few telegram channels. But jackpotracer was able to scam me. As I told it was bad timing for me.

About the $600, this absolutely awful. As I mentioned in a post to another member, it can happen to anybody if they get distracted at the wrong time.

Regarding him contacting your clients whether or not pretending to be you and also contacting you while pretending to be your clients, this is unacceptable as a stand-alone issue. When you add to that he scammed you for $600 it makes it worse. If you are able to provide some sort of evidence that implicates JackpotRacer, I will support a flag.

His account has a number of red tags therefore he knows it cannot be used for any meaningful function except to make a nuisance of himself until/unless he gets bored or the account is banned.

[holydarkness]

[...]
Please ask a very clear question and I will be happy to answer it, be it a yes or no question or a question that needs a little more explanation for better understanding.

Oh? That question is not clear enough? Okay then, my apology, I think other people will understand it quite easily. Nonetheless: regarding the free tournaments on their platform, and in relation to your course of actions and decision during your stay there, do you consider them as free roll or are they a serious and real, given real money are being involved?

[Pmalek]

What? Where do you infer that from? I've told you that I think you were right, that there is something fishy here.

Just so you know, I think you are a disgrace to the forum. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am telling your campaign manager. Come on, tell him. Break his heart.

For my part (not that it matters much), I am removing myself from the thread.

Good lad. I did it once, and now I am doing it a second time for real. I am pretty sure that talking with JackhorseRider causes AIDS or at least sea sickness. I don't want to do it anymore.

@holydarkness
Just tag me when you tell him. I just want to see the red text one more time and you being called a disappointment. 

[JackpotRacer]

[...]
Please ask a very clear question and I will be happy to answer it, be it a yes or no question or a question that needs a little more explanation for better understanding.

Oh? That question is not clear enough? Okay then, my apology, I think other people will understand it quite easily. Nonetheless: regarding the free tournaments on their platform, and in relation to your course of actions and decision during your stay there, do you consider them as free roll or are they a serious and real, given real money are being involved?

Please explain why you did not answer why you used the ding ding ding and the picture you added as answer to @Pmalek?

Regarding your question, I am very sorry, but I still do not understand what you are asking. please try more simple and ELI5, thanks.

I will try to answer part of your question so maybe it will help. Yes, the free tournaments are free rolls IMO. They were real but free rolls with USDT prizes. USDT prizes are real money. Let me know what else I missed to answer your question. What does the answer tell you?

I can only repeat that I discovered the timer exploit and since I used it only once in an exaggerated way, I could not win any money as the owner of Blackjack.fun is accusing me. He still did not show any proof which could be very easy for him and therefore I am still very surprised that besides the license lie why does nobody ask to prove that I cheated them out of the big part of 24 USDT? He could easily prove it and all would be over long ago and I would be the declared big scammer of the big part of 24 USDT and everyone would be happy.

I have been scammed by him ($600). He impersonated Shuffle founder on telegram. Timing was bad for me as I was dealing with something else which was more important for me. I didnt bother sending $300 first as everything was nicely set up. Once again, I was asked to send $300 more which I did. Until then I didnt realize that it was scam. Later when he asked another $600, I realized that I was scammed. Checked instantly and turned out that I was scammed. For not a single time, I thought why would Noah ask me for an invoice payment. Scammer on telegram told me that he just tagged me. I checked and found that it was jackpotracer.
Just to inform you, jackpotracer has been asking me to remove nutildah from MetaWin campaign which I denied and even I didn't share with nutildah either. He threatened me that he will reach MetaWin if I don't remove nutildah. He reached MetaWin on Friday or Saturday. I had to face few questions from MetaWin rep. This is ridiculous.

And it was my surprise that this scammer even reached Noah (shuffle founder) impersonating me but luckily he was able to identify the scammer.

In my internet life, I have been barely scammed. I was even aware of such attempt as back in the days, I was managing few telegram channels. But jackpotracer was able to scam me. As I told it was bad timing for me.

About the $600, this absolutely awful. As I mentioned in a post to another member, it can happen to anybody if they get distracted at the wrong time.

Regarding him contacting your clients whether or not pretending to be you and also contacting you while pretending to be your clients, this is unacceptable as a stand-alone issue. When you add to that he scammed you for $600 it makes it worse. If you are able to provide some sort of evidence that implicates JackpotRacer, I will support a flag.

His account has a number of red tags therefore he knows it cannot be used for any meaningful function except to make a nuisance of himself until/unless he gets bored or the account is banned.

First of all, I never threatened @Little Mouse, but I did tell him that I will contact Metawin to report the problem with @nutildah's signature spamming. Is this a threat? Am I not allowed to contact the person who is most hurt by signature spamming? Tell me please

I have already asked @Little Mouse and @holydarkness to open the scam accusation against me and prove the disgusting and unjustified accusation. Let him prove it and as I wrote before he can never prove it because I did not do it. I am still waiting for his scam accusation thread and if he does not open it I will open it but I am not sure if I can open a scam accusation thread in his name against me. I will check it and worse case I can open a reputation thread regarding this specific case and I want to see the proof which he doesn't have. Lets get ready to rumble @Little Mouse and @JollyGood

What? Where do you infer that from? I've told you that I think you were right, that there is something fishy here.

Just so you know, I think you are a disgrace to the forum. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am telling your campaign manager. Come on, tell him. Break his heart.

For my part (not that it matters much), I am removing myself from the thread.

Good lad. I did it once, and now I am doing it a second time for real. I am pretty sure that talking with JackhorseRider causes AIDS or at least sea sickness. I don't want to do it anymore.

@holydarkness
Just tag me when you tell him. I just want to see the red text one more time and you being called a disappointment. 

@Pmalek I am already crying and tears are running down my face if you really leave the thread again forever. I cannot believe you will stop spamming your signature.

By the way, where is Eva? Why did she disappear? I have the feeling that she was taken out because of the bad handling with stupid lies that anyone could tell.

Cheers guys and thanks again to @Pmaleg for the daily amusement of reading his spam.

[holydarkness]

Please explain why you did not answer why you used the ding ding ding and the picture you added as answer to @Pmalek?

@holydarkness
Just tag me when you tell him. I just want to see the red text one more time and you being called a disappointment.  

[grin]

Regarding your question, I am very sorry, but I still do not understand what you are asking. please try more simple and ELI5, thanks.

I will try to answer part of your question so maybe it will help. Yes, the free tournaments are free rolls IMO. They were real but free rolls with USDT prizes. USDT prizes are real money. Let me know what else I missed to answer your question. What does the answer tell you?

I can only repeat that I discovered the timer exploit and since I used it only once in an exaggerated way, I could not win any money as the owner of Blackjack.fun is accusing me. He still did not show any proof which could be very easy for him and therefore I am still very surprised that besides the license lie why does nobody ask to prove that I cheated them out of the big part of 24 USDT? He could easily prove it and all would be over long ago and I would be the declared big scammer of the big part of 24 USDT and everyone would be happy.

Your answer actually explains enough. Thank you for that.

What does it tell me? Well, given in your opinion, it is a free roll and there is no one suffering financial loss by joining the game, nor sacrificing anything, it can be safely inferred that no one is scamming anyone. Not you, not other players, not blackjack. It's free roll. The prize is real money, but no one suffers anything by joining the game.

This should invalidate your scam accusation thread against them.

It was previously [and repetitively] asked what the scam is. You refused to give straight answer, only pointing to general direction that your problem were: [1] the bug in their free roll tournaments, [2] their 100 USD bug bounty and your current balance --which you kinda refuse to accept-- and [3] your demand to turn the funds into giveaway... oh, and [4] a request to re-gain access to the platform to test that bug.

Point number 2 and 3 kinda explains itself, that they're invalid. One can't be said scamming someone else because that someone else did not provide a return address, nor complying to the demand of creating a giveaway on that someone's behalf.

Point number 4 has a very clear solution that JollyGood nicely provide: create another account, test that bug, record everything, provide it here. Granted, it'll be against their rule of multi-acc, but given you're just want to test it and does nothing else, which means you'll be in and out in five minutes or less, with little to zero fund being involved [and thus they can't confiscate due to a breach in ToS; multi-acc], I think the general consensus here will be that there is no harm in that, and that it is perhaps the first and probably the only one case where multi-acc is "encouraged". You refused that. So, we're clear on this one.

This leaves the only point in your case: bug and tournament. Given you're agree that it is a free roll, etc. as said above, this also clears and invalidate the accusation.

Explained as above, it should means everything in your thread against them is resolved.

ELI5: I just wanted to cross the T and dot the I, make sure it's valid and agreeable to mark your case as resolved [previously and currently marked as "invalid"] on my list.

[...]
I have already asked @Little Mouse and @holydarkness to open the scam accusation against me and prove the disgusting and unjustified accusation. Let him prove it and as I wrote before he can never prove it because I did not do it. I am still waiting for his scam accusation thread and if he does not open it I will open it but I am not sure if I can open a scam accusation thread in his name against me. I will check it and worse case I can open a reputation thread regarding this specific case and I want to see the proof which he doesn't have. Lets get ready to rumble @Little Mouse and @JollyGood

Me? Why? I don't have any issue with you, financially. Unlike specific someone that I am sure everybody can easily mention here, I am not we are not interested in opening a baseless scam accusation and goes on a wild goose chase, building strawman, throwing muds, you name it, just to justify the accusation build from the hurt feeling.

@Pmalek I am already crying and tears are running down my face if you really leave the thread again forever. I cannot believe you will stop spamming your signature.

Pmalek, you bad bad boy!!! Look what you've done! You make your snowflake cries! Apologize, now!

[Little Mouse]

I know these lies regarding the scam accusation are coming. Who else would try to scam me by having a time travel (knowing that Jackpotracer will tag me)? And why would they tell me on telegram that they just had tagged me? This all proves who is the impersonator.

Anyway, I'll move on. I dont have any proof of my claiming except a screenshot where the scammer on telegram told me that he tagged me from his main account. If this proof is enough, I'll create a scam accusation. Otherwise, I'll move on and possibly remove the negative tag (will turn into neutral) as I don't want to abuse the trust system (I barely put neg tag without reference link). I tagged him instantly without a reference link because I wanted to alert community so that he can't scam anyone else.

[holydarkness]

I know these lies regarding the scam accusation are coming. Who else would try to scam me by having a time travel (knowing that Jackpotracer will tag me)? And why would they tell me on telegram that they just had tagged me? This all proves who is the impersonator.

Anyway, I'll move on. I dont have any proof of my claiming except a screenshot where the scammer on telegram told me that he tagged me from his main account. If this proof is enough, I'll create a scam accusation. Otherwise, I'll move on and possibly remove the negative tag (will turn into neutral) as I don't want to abuse the trust system (I barely put neg tag without reference link). I tagged him instantly without a reference link because I wanted to alert community so that he can't scam anyone else.

That, sadly, sounds very circumstantial.

Nonetheless, perhaps there's something on that screenshot that can give a hint. Do you mind to post it? Perhaps in a new thread with no specific mention to a user to avoid baseless accusation and to keep this thread clean [as this one seems like a completely different topic]. Or shoot me a PM with it so I can get a better understanding of it, if you're rather reluctant to start a new thread just yet.

[JackpotRacer]

Please explain why you did not answer why you used the ding ding ding and the picture you added as answer to @Pmalek?

@holydarkness
Just tag me when you tell him. I just want to see the red text one more time and you being called a disappointment.  

[grin]

Again I am kindly asking to answer me. I see you answered @Pmalek with a grin

Regarding your question, I am very sorry, but I still do not understand what you are asking. please try more simple and ELI5, thanks.

I will try to answer part of your question so maybe it will help. Yes, the free tournaments are free rolls IMO. They were real but free rolls with USDT prizes. USDT prizes are real money. Let me know what else I missed to answer your question. What does the answer tell you?

I can only repeat that I discovered the timer exploit and since I used it only once in an exaggerated way, I could not win any money as the owner of Blackjack.fun is accusing me. He still did not show any proof which could be very easy for him and therefore I am still very surprised that besides the license lie why does nobody ask to prove that I cheated them out of the big part of 24 USDT? He could easily prove it and all would be over long ago and I would be the declared big scammer of the big part of 24 USDT and everyone would be happy.

Your answer actually explains enough. Thank you for that.

What does it tell me? Well, given in your opinion, it is a free roll and there is no one suffering financial loss by joining the game, nor sacrificing anything, it can be safely inferred that no one is scamming anyone. Not you, not other players, not blackjack. It's free roll. The prize is real money, but no one suffers anything by joining the game.

This should invalidate your scam accusation thread against them.

It was previously [and repetitively] asked what the scam is. You refused to give straight answer, only pointing to general direction that your problem were: [1] the bug in their free roll tournaments, [2] their 100 USD bug bounty and your current balance --which you kinda refuse to accept-- and [3] your demand to turn the funds into giveaway... oh, and [4] a request to re-gain access to the platform to test that bug.

Point number 2 and 3 kinda explains itself, that they're invalid. One can't be said scamming someone else because that someone else did not provide a return address, nor complying to the demand of creating a giveaway on that someone's behalf.

Point number 4 has a very clear solution that JollyGood nicely provide: create another account, test that bug, record everything, provide it here. Granted, it'll be against their rule of multi-acc, but given you're just want to test it and does nothing else, which means you'll be in and out in five minutes or less, with little to zero fund being involved [and thus they can't confiscate due to a breach in ToS; multi-acc], I think the general consensus here will be that there is no harm in that, and that it is perhaps the first and probably the only one case where multi-acc is "encouraged". You refused that. So, we're clear on this one.

This leaves the only point in your case: bug and tournament. Given you're agree that it is a free roll, etc. as said above, this also clears and invalidate the accusation.

Explained as above, it should means everything in your thread against them is resolved.

ELI5: I just wanted to cross the T and dot the I, make sure it's valid and agreeable to mark your case as resolved [previously and currently marked as "invalid"] on my list.

What does it tell you? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Now what does that tell me!
It tells me that you have no idea or that you deliberately want the scam accusation to be ended in favor of the Blackjack.fun owner.

What you and @JollyGood are actually suggesting is to connect to the Blackjack.fun website in an illegal way and play there to see if the exploit still exists.
SHAME on you and @JollyGood and anyone else who suggests connecting to a casino in a way that is not allowed! This comes from self-proclaimed Scammer Hunters and I call them Scammer Defenders!

I have already mentioned several times and too many times that the easiest and most legal way is for the owners of Blackjack.fun to show the game logs to prove that I cheated them out of the big part of 24USDT and then it would all be over and I would be the scammer, the cheater and whatever you want to call me.

Why didn't he prove it? Because the Scammer Hunters are defending him, so why does he have to defend himself? Why does he have to prove that he fixed the exploit at all?

Where did you get the 100USD from? Blackjack.fun owes me more or less 30USDT

Why does a Free Roll Tournament invalidate the Scam Accusation? Do you live in this world?

Nothing is resolved and the Scammer is Blackjack.fun owner

Please post your BS in my Scam Accusation thread so I can answer there so people will get the right picture. Or I will post it.

@Pmalek I am already crying and tears are running down my face if you really leave the thread again forever. I cannot believe you will stop spamming your signature.

Pmalek, you bad bad boy!!! Look what you've done! You make your snowflake cries! Apologize, now!

@holydarkness please don't forget to tell @Pmalek that I gave you now all in red as you are talking BS and lies like a twin brother of @Pmalek just in a polite form

I know these lies regarding the scam accusation are coming. Who else would try to scam me by having a time travel (knowing that Jackpotracer will tag me)? And why would they tell me on telegram that they just had tagged me? This all proves who is the impersonator.

Anyway, I'll move on. I dont have any proof of my claiming except a screenshot where the scammer on telegram told me that he tagged me from his main account. If this proof is enough, I'll create a scam accusation. Otherwise, I'll move on and possibly remove the negative tag (will turn into neutral) as I don't want to abuse the trust system (I barely put neg tag without reference link). I tagged him instantly without a reference link because I wanted to alert community so that he can't scam anyone else.

Now to you @Little Mouse

Who else would try to Scam you???

only Jackpotracer comes to your mind LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

This is from one well known Signature Campaign Manager who got scammed out of 600USD!
Don't you earn enough that you are greedy to get more and more with some fishy deals?

Here you are saying that you have the proof (................This all proves who is the impersonator.)

and then you are saying you do not have proof. How about seeing your doctor again and ask for new medication?
(Anyway, I'll move on. I dont have any proof of my claiming except a screenshot where the scammer on telegram told me that he tagged me from his main account)

I ask you again to open a scam accusation thread against me as you even you are not sure are spreading false scam accusations. We need to solve this as it has the same signature as Blackjack.fun's false scam accusations against me that I cheated him of the big part of 24USDT LOL

Better you open the scam accusation thread and we solve the problem because I am not sure how it will look for you if I open the scam accusation against me with the fishy evidence you have. You should have learned by now that I am not the one who gives up on false accusations easily. Don't tell me it's a threat, because it will be only a thread!

I know these lies regarding the scam accusation are coming. Who else would try to scam me by having a time travel (knowing that Jackpotracer will tag me)? And why would they tell me on telegram that they just had tagged me? This all proves who is the impersonator.

Anyway, I'll move on. I dont have any proof of my claiming except a screenshot where the scammer on telegram told me that he tagged me from his main account. If this proof is enough, I'll create a scam accusation. Otherwise, I'll move on and possibly remove the negative tag (will turn into neutral) as I don't want to abuse the trust system (I barely put neg tag without reference link). I tagged him instantly without a reference link because I wanted to alert community so that he can't scam anyone else.

That, sadly, sounds very circumstantial.

Nonetheless, perhaps there's something on that screenshot that can give a hint. Do you mind to post it? Perhaps in a new thread with no specific mention to a user to avoid baseless accusation and to keep this thread clean [as this one seems like a completely different topic]. Or shoot me a PM with it so I can get a better understanding of it, if you're rather reluctant to start a new thread just yet.

Why do you want him to DM it to you? maybe he prefers to DM it to @Pmalek, your twin brother?

Yes a new scam accusation thread would be appropriate and show any proof he has and if he can prove it that I scammed him then you all have what you wanted. But if he cannot prove it, he must apologize. simple as that.

This topic has already been derailed and Eva is gone, just saying

[holydarkness]

Please explain why you did not answer why you used the ding ding ding and the picture you added as answer to @Pmalek?

@holydarkness
Just tag me when you tell him. I just want to see the red text one more time and you being called a disappointment.  

[grin]

Again I am kindly asking to answer me. I see you answered @Pmalek with a grin

This question comes from someone who questions people's IQ, because he has a very high IQ, on every chance he gets and is supposedly so good at finding bugs in casinos? Really? Can't you umm... draw a conclusion by yourself?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I have already asked @Little Mouse and @holydarkness to open the scam accusation against me and prove the disgusting and unjustified accusation. Let him prove it and as I wrote before he can never prove it because I did not do it. I am still waiting for his scam accusation thread and if he does not open it I will open it but I am not sure if I can open a scam accusation thread in his name against me. I will check it and worse case I can open a reputation thread regarding this specific case and I want to see the proof which he doesn't have. Lets get ready to rumble @Little Mouse and @JollyGood

I was reading the last few responses of this topic to learn the updates but when I saw someone quoted @Little Mouse and it was about you scamming him, I was following the quotes until I read the original post from Little Mouse. What surprises me that you did not bother to give a direct reply to him. You kept addressing holydarkness but didn't feel Little Mouse needed a direct response. When many things go wrong then it's believed that something is not truly right.

On the Blackjack.fun thread I found you nicer, you reasoning were understandable to me but I swear I trust some users, I have been seen them from long time and Little Mouse is one of them. I will better believe something from some of these people and will not bother to ask evidences.

[JackpotRacer]

Please explain why you did not answer why you used the ding ding ding and the picture you added as answer to @Pmalek?

@holydarkness
Just tag me when you tell him. I just want to see the red text one more time and you being called a disappointment.  

[grin]

Again I am kindly asking to answer me. I see you answered @Pmalek with a grin

This question comes from someone who questions people's IQ, because he has a very high IQ, on every chance he gets and is supposedly so good at finding bugs in casinos? Really? Can't you umm... draw a conclusion by yourself?

Finally you showed your true face and as I said it looks like @Pmalek's face

As for the IQ, you have it or you don't, because everyone has a brain.

I have already asked @Little Mouse and @holydarkness to open the scam accusation against me and prove the disgusting and unjustified accusation. Let him prove it and as I wrote before he can never prove it because I did not do it. I am still waiting for his scam accusation thread and if he does not open it I will open it but I am not sure if I can open a scam accusation thread in his name against me. I will check it and worse case I can open a reputation thread regarding this specific case and I want to see the proof which he doesn't have. Lets get ready to rumble @Little Mouse and @JollyGood

I was reading the last few responses of this topic to learn the updates but when I saw someone quoted @Little Mouse and it was about you scamming him, I was following the quotes until I read the original post from Little Mouse. What surprises me that you did not bother to give a direct reply to him. You kept addressing holydarkness but didn't feel Little Mouse needed a direct response. When many things go wrong then it's believed that something is not truly right.

On the Blackjack.fun thread I found you nicer, you reasoning were understandable to me but I swear I trust some users, I have been seen them from long time and Little Mouse is one of them. I will better believe something from some of these people and will not bother to ask evidences.

Sorry, I didn't see anyone, including you, asking the owner of Blackjack.fun to show the game logs to prove that I was exploiting a large amount of 24USDT with the timer exploit.

I talked to holydarkness because he is involved in @Little Mouse's signature campaign and it looked like they were DMing each other. if this proves that @Little Mouse's false scam accusation against me is correct then it is very sad and very disturbing also.
How about asking him for any proof or evidence? He himself says he has no proof. But you say you believe him. It is your right to believe whatever you want. I myself believe what I see and feel because I am a realist.

These cases of false and shameless accusations are not over, so let's see how long you and some others will stand behind such LIARS and false accusers, namely Blackjack.fun and @LittleMouse.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Sorry, I didn't see anyone, including you, asking the owner of Blackjack.fun to show the game logs to prove that I was exploiting a large amount of 24USDT with the timer exploit.

I talked to holydarkness because he is involved in @Little Mouse's signature campaign and it looked like they were DMing each other. if this proves that @Little Mouse's false scam accusation against me is correct then it is very sad and very disturbing also.
How about asking him for any proof or evidence? He himself says he has no proof. But you say you believe him. It is your right to believe whatever you want. I myself believe what I see and feel because I am a realist.

These cases of false and shameless accusations are not over, so let's see how long you and some others will stand behind such LIARS and false accusers, namely Blackjack.fun and @LittleMouse.

Because there are lack of proof or no proof does not mean something has not happened. As you can get from my last post that I will believe Little Mouse easily than you or someone else who is unknown to me.

Regarding blackjack.fun, I am no one to order any gambling site to fix issues in their site, I can only suggest. They look after their business.

Honestly, now I am having difficulties to understand you.

[nutildah]

I've never seen such a huge fuss raised over such a small issue or insignificant amount of money. 

Taken as a whole, and having watched this (stupid) saga play out for like 3-4 months now, I can only conclude that JackpotRacer is extorting blackjack.fun for something on the side. They didn't get what they wanted, now they are continuing this crusade of baseless slander. Its one of the most bizarre things I've seen in a while. But whatever JPR was hoping to achieve completely backfired. Their reputation is plummeting to game-protect-level status and I doubt anyone here will ever take them seriously again.

[JackpotRacer]

Sorry, I didn't see anyone, including you, asking the owner of Blackjack.fun to show the game logs to prove that I was exploiting a large amount of 24USDT with the timer exploit.

I talked to holydarkness because he is involved in @Little Mouse's signature campaign and it looked like they were DMing each other. if this proves that @Little Mouse's false scam accusation against me is correct then it is very sad and very disturbing also.
How about asking him for any proof or evidence? He himself says he has no proof. But you say you believe him. It is your right to believe whatever you want. I myself believe what I see and feel because I am a realist.

These cases of false and shameless accusations are not over, so let's see how long you and some others will stand behind such LIARS and false accusers, namely Blackjack.fun and @LittleMouse.

Because there are lack of proof or no proof does not mean something has not happened. As you can get from my last post that I will believe Little Mouse easily than you or someone else who is unknown to me.

Regarding blackjack.fun, I am no one to order any gambling site to fix issues in their site, I can only suggest. They look after their business.

Honestly, now I am having difficulties to understand you.

Little Mouse is a LIAR and a disgraced false accuser without any proof. Sadly, he is also a Signature Campaign Manager who does not care about his client and the Signature Bearers who are just spamming the signature.

As I said, you and everyone else can believe him, but that does not mean that he is not a LIAR because you believe him. You could easily be him.

Unfortunately, I have to put you in the same sack as all the so-called and self-appointed Scam Hunters, but in reality you are Scam Defenders. Shame on you for helping the scammers get away with it.

I've never seen such a huge fuss raised over such a small issue or insignificant amount of money. 

What a surprise, finally you say something very obvious and with a lot of logic behind it.
I wonder why it's only now and why other scammer hunters didn't think the same thing a long time ago?
ok, first step in the right direction. now to the second step

Taken as a whole, and having watched this (stupid) saga play out for like 3-4 months now, I can only conclude that JackpotRacer is extorting blackjack.fun for something on the side. They didn't get what they wanted, now they are continuing this crusade of baseless slander. Its one of the most bizarre things I've seen in a while. But whatever JPR was hoping to achieve completely backfired. Their reputation is plummeting to game-protect-level status and I doubt anyone here will ever take them seriously again.

Now let's get to your blackmail theory or accusation, I don't know what it is, but you can enlighten me.
Here you go, and this does not fit the light bulb that was turned on as in your text above!

Let me tell you why. if I would be so impudent and even a criminal to try to blackmail and try to extort money / crypto from the owner of Blackjack.fun, wouldn't it be logical and very easy for the owner of Blackjack.fun to prove this to all of you and he could even involve the police or cyber crime unit.

The same goes for the LIAR and false accuser @Little Mouse.

Why didn't Blackjack.fun owner tell you all how much I asked from him? Easy answer as I asked only 30USDT as a donation LOL and you yourself wrote above

>>>I've never seen such a huge fuss raised over such a small issue or insignificant amount of money.  <<<

Therefore, I agree that there is something more behind it, but it is the owner of Blackjack.fun and not me who is hiding something.

Let's start with where is EVA and why did she disappear?

Why has Blackjack.fun gone private and invitation only with its Free Roll Tournaments?

Why are these even private tournaments not displayed on their website so that visitors can watch the tournaments? It was always possible!

How about this very direct and to the point response from @Vod to EVA when she posted that they were going to go private!

Currently, we went private with our community, collaborating with players who comprehend and embrace the concept without any complaints.

You should change your tagline: Honesty is the best policy.   Taking away the ability for your community to discuss your concept publically is not honest.    (Look at r/bitcoin for example) 

As you can see there are many unanswered questions and I hope one day more members will ask the owner of Blackjack.fun the right questions and get the right conclusion of the answers or no answers we will get.

Let's go on and please tell me what backfired for me? That Blackjack.fun did not donate the 30USDT? LOL
Don't you understand why they made their tournaments private? I am very proud that they did this because of me as they admitted that they did not fix the exploit and falsely accused me of exploiting the big part of 24USDT LOL
Don't you understand this BS? Very strange because the first sentence in your post actually made me believe that you finally understood.

And the 24USDT Drama goes on as now we need to find out what Jackpotracer is trying to get from the Blackjack.fun owner?
A new Tesla?
A new Villa?
XXX Bitcoin?
A Trip to the Moon?

Hmmmm what could it be?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Little Mouse is a LIAR and a disgraced false accuser without any proof. Sadly, he is also a Signature Campaign Manager who does not care about his client and the Signature Bearers who are just spamming the signature.

As I said, you and everyone else can believe him, but that does not mean that he is not a LIAR because you believe him. You could easily be him.

Unfortunately, I have to put you in the same sack as all the so-called and self-appointed Scam Hunters, but in reality you are Scam Defenders. Shame on you for helping the scammers get away with it.

I will not speak for Little Mouse but it seems you are attacking me because this time thing did not went in your favour. Brother, you could do better for yourself, but many things seem not going the way you want. Don't live a cheap life. You can be successful once or twice in cheating and scamming but it will never change your life and make you happy.

[JackpotRacer]

Little Mouse is a LIAR and a disgraced false accuser without any proof. Sadly, he is also a Signature Campaign Manager who does not care about his client and the Signature Bearers who are just spamming the signature.

As I said, you and everyone else can believe him, but that does not mean that he is not a LIAR because you believe him. You could easily be him.

Unfortunately, I have to put you in the same sack as all the so-called and self-appointed Scam Hunters, but in reality you are Scam Defenders. Shame on you for helping the scammers get away with it.

I will not speak for Little Mouse but it seems you are attacking me because this time thing did not went in your favour. Brother, you could do better for yourself, but many things seem not going the way you want. Don't live a cheap life. You can be successful once or twice in cheating and scamming but it will never change your life and make you happy.

Now you call me a scammer and cheater without any proof.

Regarding cheap live, I can only say that you are the cheap one, as you are wearing a signature, and again you have earned few satoshi with this false and shameless accusation.

In long Q&As and discussions, the true face always shows up eventually, and now your shameless false accusations and signature spamming have finally shown up. I am glad to see it sooner or later. I admit you could hide it for a long time, but a snake cannot hide forever.



Still asking Blackjack.fun owner and Eva to show the game logs to prove that I cheated and exploited the big part of 24USDT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Also @Little Mouse Signature Campaign Manager and Signature Spammer Supporter
to show the proof that I cheated and scammed him out of $600

[nutildah]

I've never seen such a huge fuss raised over such a small issue or insignificant amount of money.  

What a surprise, finally you say something very obvious and with a lot of logic behind it.
I wonder why it's only now and why other scammer hunters didn't think the same thing a long time ago?

Because there was and is no scam happening, that's why.

Let's start with where is EVA and why did she disappear?

I'm gonna guess its because they got sick of being stalked by you, after months of trying to make things right with you (and failing), they figured it wasn't worth dealing with the forum as a whole anymore.

Why has Blackjack.fun gone private and invitation only with its Free Roll Tournaments?

Most likely because they are, once again, sick of being harassed and stalked by the likes of you.

Whatever crusade you're on, you lost. Nobody has even the slightest bit of sympathy for you, and even fewer people actually care about this issue. You never even managed to explain what the "scam" was. Of course you didn't learn any sort of lesson here -- you've proven you are unable to learn through experience over the last 5 years of your existence on this forum. You're about as untrustworthy as they come, and as I said before, I pity anyone who has to deal with you.

[holydarkness]

[...]
I talked to holydarkness because he is involved in @Little Mouse's signature campaign and it looked like they were DMing each other. if this proves that @Little Mouse's false scam accusation against me is correct then it is very sad and very disturbing also.
How about asking him for any proof or evidence? He himself says he has no proof. But you say you believe him. It is your right to believe whatever you want. I myself believe what I see and feel because I am a realist.
[...]

Proof? That LM and I were DMing each other?

Your statement that, "I myself believe what I see and feel because I am a realist" can be contradictive. You do aware that the two doesn't necessarily mutually exclusive? While, at times, they can support each other, there are times they contradict each other too. Believing what you see would imply you base what you believe on an observable materials, while believing what you feel has a possible tendency that you perceive things from what your emotion say, neglecting facts.

For example, the statement that LM and I DMed each other, someone who base their belief on observable materials will accept things as fact because they see the proof of it, they will only make that DM statement because they see it themselves, e.g.: screenshots. While someone who base the belief on their feeling will have a possible tendency to made [up] the statement based on their emotion, which could be clouded, e.g. spite, thus, impaired.

[...]Still asking Blackjack.fun owner and Eva to show the game logs to prove that I cheated and exploited the big part of 24USDT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![...]

How is this relevant and were you trying to put words into people's mouth? I don't think anyone ever accuses you on "cheating and exploiting the big part of 24 USDT", what people say [and you admitted] was you taking advantage of the bug by repetitively exploited it to passive-agressively show someone that you know what he did.

[Little Mouse]

Proof? That LM and I were DMing each other?

Don't feed this troll. He will then reach to your campaign manager  and ask for removing you lol.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Now you call me a scammer and cheater without any proof.

Regarding cheap live, I can only say that you are the cheap one, as you are wearing a signature, and again you have earned few satoshi with this false and shameless accusation.

In long Q&As and discussions, the true face always shows up eventually, and now your shameless false accusations and signature spamming have finally shown up. I am glad to see it sooner or later. I admit you could hide it for a long time, but a snake cannot hide forever.

Bother, we are going nowhere. I call you, you call me. It's a cycle. I am not going to waste my time anymore with you and your things.

Don't feed this troll. He will then reach to your campaign manager  and ask for removing you lol.

In case it was me, I don't give an ass what my campaign manager think and the company that I am wearing my signature. If they don't like what I say and ask to modify my characteristics, they are welcome not to do any business with me. 

[Little Mouse]

In case it was me, I don't give an ass what my campaign manager think and the company that I am wearing my signature. If they don't like what I say and ask to modify my characteristics, they are welcome not to do any business with me. 

It's fine as long as it's between campaign manager and him but trolls also reach the project team to convince them their campaign manager isn't doing the job properly. Imagine what he is trying to achieve here.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

It's fine as long as it's between campaign manager and him but trolls also reach the project team to convince them their campaign manager isn't doing the job properly. Imagine what he is trying to achieve here.

If the troll's intention is retaliation then it's not acceptable but if his intention is to help the project then it's acceptable. Unfortunately, a troll always do things out of retaliation though. When I am a project team member, I will definitely look into the case but if I find it's a troll I will ignore and will not waste my time.

[JackpotRacer]

Proof? That LM and I were DMing each other?

Don't feed this troll. He will then reach to your campaign manager  and ask for removing you lol.

Now you call me a scammer and cheater without any proof.

Regarding cheap live, I can only say that you are the cheap one, as you are wearing a signature, and again you have earned few satoshi with this false and shameless accusation.

In long Q&As and discussions, the true face always shows up eventually, and now your shameless false accusations and signature spamming have finally shown up. I am glad to see it sooner or later. I admit you could hide it for a long time, but a snake cannot hide forever.

Bother, we are going nowhere. I call you, you call me. It's a cycle. I am not going to waste my time anymore with you and your things.

Don't feed this troll. He will then reach to your campaign manager  and ask for removing you lol.

In case it was me, I don't give an ass what my campaign manager think and the company that I am wearing my signature. If they don't like what I say and ask to modify my characteristics, they are welcome not to do any business with me. 

In case it was me, I don't give an ass what my campaign manager think and the company that I am wearing my signature. If they don't like what I say and ask to modify my characteristics, they are welcome not to do any business with me. 

It's fine as long as it's between campaign manager and him but trolls also reach the project team to convince them their campaign manager isn't doing the job properly. Imagine what he is trying to achieve here.

It's fine as long as it's between campaign manager and him but trolls also reach the project team to convince them their campaign manager isn't doing the job properly. Imagine what he is trying to achieve here.

If the troll's intention is retaliation then it's not acceptable but if his intention is to help the project then it's acceptable. Unfortunately, a troll always do things out of retaliation though. When I am a project team member, I will definitely look into the case but if I find it's a troll I will ignore and will not waste my time.

for all those Signature Spammer Clowns I copy/paste a nice  and spot on answer and the link regarding your Spam
not to forget Spammers like @nutildah @holydarkness and @Pmalek

Please let's not forget that Little Mouse Spamming his Signature is even the Signature Manager!

Read it and if you don't understand it because your IQ doesn't allow you to understand simple text, please don't ask me.

posted by @Saint-loup and it is a pleasure to read it and to see his signature

It's a shame. There are already too many spammers/shitposters in some sections like the Gambling one but not only, posting random off-topic, nonsense, low value or irrelevant content, or just repeating what they've read in the previous pages of the thread from other posters. So the forum doesn't need users posting AI generated posts on top of that. In my opinion, campaigns enrolling or maintaining such spammers should be banned or restricted to a very limited number of participants. Otherwise campaign managers accepting this shouldn't be allowed to manage a campaign here anymore, at least.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491802.msg63911172#msg63911172

His post proves that there are a lot of smart members here, but also a lot of stupid spammers who will do anything to get some sats.

Chapeau @Saint-loup

[JackpotRacer]

It seems that Eva disappeared and abandoned the thread. So let me keep the thread going since it was an own goal anyway.

Please check also the Scam Accusation thread as Blackjack.fun owner still owes me 30 USDT 

you can start at the last posting and go backwards
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474047.msg63934248#msg63934248

[nutildah]

Please check also the Scam Accusation thread as Blackjack.fun owner still owes me 30 USDT  

They tried to give it to you and you refused to accept it, remember?

Stop with the false accusations. You can drive their representative away from the forum, but you haven't managed to put a dent in their reputation. Your own reputation, however, has been destroyed due to your constant bullying & blackmailing. Not a single person that you've interacted with in this thread or the other takes you seriously.

All this over 30 USDT 

Clearly this person is trying to extort something larger from the casino and we aren't getting the full story.

[JackpotRacer]

Please check also the Scam Accusation thread as Blackjack.fun owner still owes me 30 USDT  

They tried to give it to you and you refused to accept it, remember?

Stop with the false accusations. You can drive their representative away from the forum, but you haven't managed to put a dent in their reputation. Your own reputation, however, has been destroyed due to your constant bullying & blackmailing. Not a single person that you've interacted with in this thread or the other takes you seriously.

All this over 30 USDT 

Clearly this person is trying to extort something larger from the casino and we aren't getting the full story.

Wrong, they did not try to give it to me as they tried to buy me, remember? and if not, please read again

But I am very surprised that this time you only throw out false accusations and lies. At least no foul language 

Yes and all this for 30USDT and I agree with you as this is a more than ridiculous amount for a so called good casino. Even I did not ask for a withdrawal and even gave them a chance to donate the 30USDT.

Regarding extorting something bigger from Blackjack.fun I have to ask you if this is really so difficult to answer yourself what it could be. This is the stupidest accusation, because if it were true, the owner of Blackjack.fun could publish the proof that I am trying to extort him of a million USDT or more, and the fraud case would be over and the FBI would be at my door. LOL

Anyway, thanks for the laugh, but to be honest, you do not deserve and should not get even 1 satoshi for this BS post just to show your signature.

Shame on your signature campaign manager and his client Metawin. Check my signature and maybe you like to wear it

[nutildah]

Wrong, they did not try to give it to me as they tried to buy me, remember? and if not, please read again

They tried to buy you by giving you the money you demanded?

[JackpotRacer]

Wrong, they did not try to give it to me as they tried to buy me, remember? and if not, please read again

They tried to buy you by giving you the money you demanded?

Sorry but again another lie and false accusation!

again you did not earn your 1 Satoshi for your Signature Spam. But your Signature Campaign Manager is very proud of you as he himself is a Signature Spammer 

waiting for your next Signature Spam, please don't wait to long as Metawin is happy to pay you LOL

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

waiting for your next Signature Spam, please don't wait to long as Metawin is happy to pay you LOL

Metawin is still paying me too LOL
It might hurt your feeling that they will still pay me if I don't make this post or any posts at all.

[JackpotRacer]

waiting for your next Signature Spam, please don't wait to long as Metawin is happy to pay you LOL

Metawin is still paying me too LOL
It might hurt your feeling that they will still pay me if I don't make this post or any posts at all.

You may still laugh if they pay you (I call it cheap theft), but I am not sure Metawin is laughing with this kind of bad and off-topic signature spamming by you and some others.

Anyway, it puts you and some others in a very shady light. So enjoy the Satoshi while spamming works for you.

[JackpotRacer]

This thread opened by Liars and false accusers should not be forgotten and disappear as it is a very good example what Liars and false accusers can do by stealing just  $30USDT

[JollyGood]

Here I am returning to this thread after some time out and surprise surprise, nothing has changed. I cannot read the posts made by JackpotRacer because he is on my ignore lists (as are BitcoinGirl.Club and the komisariatku and PytagoraZ accunt farmers).

It seems as though the blackjack.fun forum representative is going to have to overcome several trolls if they are going to have any chance of getting their messages across.

[JackpotRacer]

Here I am returning to this thread after some time out and surprise surprise, nothing has changed. I cannot read the posts made by JackpotRacer because he is on my ignore lists (as are BitcoinGirl.Club and the komisariatku and PytagoraZ accunt farmers).

It seems as though the blackjack.fun forum representative is going to have to overcome several trolls if they are going to have any chance of getting their messages across.

Finally @Jollygood proved who the troll is. Guess who, Jolly? yep, you got it on the first try! It is you!

Which Blackjack.fun representative are you talking about? EVA? Unfortunately she is another troll, liar and false accuser. You two are a perfect match.

@JollyGood from scammer hunter to scammer troll lawyer. Chapeau

[PytagoraZ]

Here I am returning to this thread after some time out and surprise surprise, nothing has changed. I cannot read the posts made by JackpotRacer because he is on my ignore lists (as are BitcoinGirl.Club and the komisariatku and PytagoraZ accunt farmers).

It seems as though the blackjack.fun forum representative is going to have to overcome several trolls if they are going to have any chance of getting their messages across.

Oh, I see. I am glad to hear it. So I can make any statement for you. Unfortunately, komisariatku does not want to carry out a campaign about your abuse.

[ineedhelpplease]

Lol. Even with the naked eye it is clear that you are responding to your own posts written by your alternative account.

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

Hello, I just noticed this through https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3585906

I dont know why he copied and pasted my message but that isn't proof.

I'm sorry that I'm not a no life that hasn't been around the forums just to have a high status to not have incidents like this happen.

[Timelord2067]

even for icopress, that is quite a feeble attempt to discredit two unconnected users.

Here is Jackpotracer's post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474047.msg63833856#msg63833856

Take a look at this post by a member who has well understood Blackjack.fun, avoiding to answer the important questions
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485686.msg63774318#msg63774318


Quote from: blackjack.fun on March 07, 2024, 06:32:23 PM

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

and here is the link in that post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485686.msg63774318#msg63774318

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

As you can see, Jackpotracer has quoted ineedhelpplease and in doing so, hasn't properly used the quote tags (they probably stripped the tags out).


Conclusion: icopress is incorrect.

Jackpotracer and ineedhelpplease are not alts

[JackpotRacer]

even for icopress, that is quite a feeble attempt to discredit two unconnected users.

Here is Jackpotracer's post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474047.msg63833856#msg63833856

Take a look at this post by a member who has well understood Blackjack.fun, avoiding to answer the important questions
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485686.msg63774318#msg63774318


Quote from: blackjack.fun on March 07, 2024, 06:32:23 PM

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

and here is the link in that post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485686.msg63774318#msg63774318

No one took the funds away from you. So, what is the scam about?

Are you not going to answer? Where or How did he use these supposed exploits to his advantage? Where is the proof. How come this question is always avoided

As you can see, Jackpotracer has quoted ineedhelpplease and in doing so, hasn't properly used the quote tags (they probably stripped the tags out).


Conclusion: icopress is incorrect.

Jackpotracer and ineedhelpplease are not alts

Thank you very much for trying to clarify that I and @ineedhelpplease are not alts

On the one hand it feels good that members like you are jumping in and trying to shed some light, but on the other hand you may not have done yourself any favors as members will attack you as they want you to post something negative against/about me.

I really thank you for this objective post, but maybe I should not thank you because it will provoke such members to attack you. I am sure you understand my point.

[JollyGood]

Why am I not surprised by returning here and once again notice the hounding and harassing of Blackjack.fun not showing any signs of subsiding even with the amount of time that passed.

To this date nobody can fully understand why one clearly imbalanced forum member has been chasing Blackjack.fun even when keeping in mind the historical context in previous threads.

Hello, I just noticed this through https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3585906

How can someone just notice something that he has been complaining about for a very long time 

I dont know why he copied and pasted my message but that isn't proof.

Pushing the agenda or idea that this is not proof of anything is somewhat laughable.