More revelations on the challenges of physical casinos

[uneng]

Physical and online casinos have their peculiar problems. But this issue that OP mentioned is a result of corruption or insincerity on the side of the physical casino operators. In my area, many reliable physical casinos will never shortchange or defraud winners because they have a high reputation. Therefore these problems are caused by individuals and not the disadvantage of land-based casinos. We also know that there are also fraudulent online casinos that can deny winners their funds. They will give so many reasons why the gambler is not entitled to his funds and some of them even go to the extent of rug-pulling because they want to steal funds from bettors.

Yes, it's not an exclusive issue with physical casinos, as we can be also scammed by online casinos. In fact, it has already happened many times here in crypto universe and there was even a very popular virtual crypto casino being promoted here, which was flagged for that reason. I'm not sure if we could define if physical casinos are better or worse in this case, because it really depends from case to case. Thinking about it right now, I have the impression virtual casinos are still better, because reviews about them can be found instantly and in real time, from a wide range of players who bet from different places in the world, giving more legitimacy and neutrality to the reviews.

Physical casinos, however, have a more limited base of customers, what can prejudice the ability of gamblers when looking for reviews about the casino. After all, physical casinos are a falling kind of business, as the tendency is that virtual services replace most of them (probably more than 90% of them).

[Lida93]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

In same way we are concerned with the reputation and financial capacity of online gambling platforms before making use, same should also be applied when we're to make use of land based sport betting agents shops to place our bets. There are some bet shops that by the outlook of the bet-shop I won't be encouraged to make use of it because some of these agents that owns these bet shop's are penurious and hungry that they don't care disappearing with any huge win from a customer. Play in mega shops!

[Natsuu]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

For me I think as long as traditional casinos can operate on daily basis and make bi players play on their edge, then they could still last. I believe the lesson in here is to really, only play with reliable casinos where they have verified payouts from their previous participants. In terms of online gambling, be aware of hidden rules and the activeness of customer service for any problem. And for traditional casinos, my biggest concern was always been my security. There's no point if I won a lot but I can't et out alive right?

[michellee]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

In same way we are concerned with the reputation and financial capacity of online gambling platforms before making use, same should also be applied when we're to make use of land based sport betting agents shops to place our bets. There are some bet shops that by the outlook of the bet-shop I won't be encouraged to make use of it because some of these agents that owns these bet shop's are penurious and hungry that they don't care disappearing with any huge win from a customer. Play in mega shops!

If it is money, everything can change, especially when someone who is an agent sees a lot of money. He was able to run away with the winnings that were supposed to go to the winner. That will harm the winner and also give a bad reputation to the betting shop.

But it is true that it also happens in online casinos and not just in offline casinos. We may often hear that some people cannot withdraw their money from the casino because the casino provides too many requirements. That is an excuse often used by online casinos over time and successfully to delay their payouts to their winners.

At least that is a lesson for all of us to be smart in choosing betting shops. We have to really check what the reputation of the betting shop is, whether in offline or online casinos. For offline betting shops, it looks like we have to look more carefully to find a betting shop that will not delay payment to the winner.

[Lida93]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

For me I think as long as traditional casinos can operate on daily basis and make bi players play on their edge, then they could still last. I believe the lesson in here is to really, only play with reliable casinos where they have verified payouts from their previous participants. In terms of online gambling, be aware of hidden rules and the activeness of customer service for any problem. And for traditional casinos, my biggest concern was always been my security. There's no point if I won a lot but I can't et out alive right?

What are you trying to imply by saying you not get out alive winning a lot of money in traditional casino? I don't subscribe to that thought and that's because I have known and heard about people that won millions using traditional casino's or sports bet and are walking on the street living their everyday life after collecting the money.

I know one of the reasons some gamblers fail to use traditional casino's to use online is because of the fear of their security when they will large amount of money and it's then it goes public throughout the casino and it's environs. If you're one of such persons then you don't have to worry as you can always negotiate with the  casino management to keep you anonymous  without a third party knowing the identity of the winner.

[sompitonov]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

For me I think as long as traditional casinos can operate on daily basis and make bi players play on their edge, then they could still last. I believe the lesson in here is to really, only play with reliable casinos where they have verified payouts from their previous participants. In terms of online gambling, be aware of hidden rules and the activeness of customer service for any problem. And for traditional casinos, my biggest concern was always been my security. There's no point if I won a lot but I can't et out alive right?

What are you trying to imply by saying you not get out alive winning a lot of money in traditional casino? I don't subscribe to that thought and that's because I have known and heard about people that won millions using traditional casino's or sports bet and are walking on the street living their everyday life after collecting the money.

I know one of the reasons some gamblers fail to use traditional casino's to use online is because of the fear of their security when they will large amount of money and it's then it goes public throughout the casino and it's environs. If you're one of such persons then you don't have to worry as you can always negotiate with the  casino management to keep you anonymous  without a third party knowing the identity of the winner.

Some establishments may require that if a huge amount is exceeded, they can name the player’s first and last name in order to provide themselves with greater advertising and show that this is a real player, and not just an anonymous one. By the way, this is probably what they do in lotteries. In poker, for example, we will not be able to maintain anonymity because large bets can be shown online and the faces of many will be visible, as well as the winner, if he is not covered with a mask all the time. I wonder if it’s possible to come to the casino with a mask, but I think that the bouncers will throw us out into the courtyard and laugh, because the player will look like a robber 

[rodskee]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

Is there any Argument happening between the user of online gambling platforms and the physical ones, i think what everyone go for is what they feels best for them, also, a times, the circumstance around us may determine the platform we are going to use for gambling especially when we are having challenges from gambling due to any unforeseen circumstances, we may only be left to result into the alternative means in other for us to gamble. 

and also to what we felt that day , if we wanted to keep private then gamble
in online casino but if wanted to be exposed and enjoy with real person then better
to go in Casino houses in which  you will have interaction to people around the place
this is what some of my gambler friends do , they are playing in both physical and online
casinos.
and we are lucky to have bitcointalk as a  medium to find what is better casino
to play with.

[Richbased]

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The only reason why I prefer physical gambling is that you can not become a gambling addict easily why going to physical shops because there are some times when your work or job will not give you the chance to place a bet that day so you can literally discard playing gambling till the next day or some other time but the problem is in such case like this because most betting agents are very dubious in character and this is also one of the reasons why I choose to bet in companies that if you don't present the betting slip your winning can not be withdrawn by anyone. Playing gambling in companies that have the liberty to withdraw a winning even when the winning slip have not been presented is very risky.

Now betting online makes one become addicted easily because you have the privilege to book bet at any time at all even when you are at your work place which is not a good idea at all, though it makes your gambling lifestyle private and in a case of withdrawal, only you are aware of the money you won and withdrawn but their are still some scam betting companies that when you request for withdrawal it takes too many processes before the withdrawal can be processed and some challenges of KYC are also encountered whereas in physical betting in a gambling shops KYC is not needed but only the winning slip.

Another risk of betting offline is that as soon as a huge amount is won in that betting shop a lot of people are aware because some agents literally announce it to impress others to know that people are still winning big thereby to entice them to continue playing as they can also be lucky to win big and when the winner comes for his winning some people are also aware of who the winner is which can be dangerous because it can expose one to criminals that might start monitoring his activities and to rob him of his money but however, I don't even see a reason for someone to be greedy as you can literally place bets that the outcome isn't too high to avoid being scammed or going through a lot of processes just to claim the winning.

[Crypt0Gore]

People need to stop playing bets anywhere they see available, what is the use of getting robbed after many failed attempts to get lucky when gambling, it is not easy, always do your research about a gambling location before using them, unfortunately you can't escape this if you prefer offline betting over online, this is one of its disadvantages.

Bet agents are humans, they are not programmed like a robot or bots to process your wining fund straight away after you win, they have human minds and it's most time more uglier than any living thing in the world, if what you win is much they can plan to cheat or rob you, they can even plan to take your life, be very careful.

I choose online gambling because I don't want to be monitored, no one will see many as a gambler and if I get lucky no one will know that I just won a big amount of money, it will be a secret between the casino and I only.

[dimonstration]

I choose online gambling because I don't want to be monitored, no one will see many as a gambler and if I get lucky no one will know that I just won a big amount of money, it will be a secret between the casino and I only.

I agree to this, the only way to your privacy will be exposed to the public is when the casino database was leaked which already happened in the past. In fact, I’m always receiving a promotional email from different casino that I didn’t know regularly on my spam mails.

Although playing in physical casino makes feel comfortable especially privacy since I leave far away from the casino which means there’s a very low chance I will met someone I knew there but playing online casino will give you the maximum privacy especially if the casino you are playing doesn’t ask for KYC.

[Dunamisx]

If we should go by gambling challenges in general, both the physical and online have theirs, we are the ones that should know what we are doing in the sense that none got to deceive us and cheat on us, another thing we have to consider is when we don't know our rights, it will be taken from us and when we are deprived of it, we still don't see it as something bad done on us, I believed that someone that knows and understands more better about gambling wouldn't fall for this kind of trick.

[irhact]

Land based casinos can be seen to be equivalent to the sport betting site and not betting agent because the owner of the casino owns the casino building. Unlike sport betting agent which are just agent of a betting site.

This type of issue as been brought up before on this which is also about a Nigerian. But the person won in court as the betting agent assistant wanted to scam him and the betting agent shop owner was not around.

Exactly, those are two different things, the OP is mistaking the physical sport betting shops for a casino which could also be compared to an online betting site they're different things altogether and I doubt if a casino would be that greedy not to pay off a customer even when they've showed prove of winning, left for me I think the court in that  country was bias, no offence and  the agent who tried to scam the bet winner is supposed to be arrest and fined for such act.

 Also, I'll like to add that everyone have their preferences and it depends on  the society one find themselves in, those living in an urban location would prefer to bet online at their comfort with any device while those in rural areas or those that are not able to operate gadgets nor are registered with an online sports betting company would rather go to a physical sports betting to place their bet. Nevertheless the agent is to be blamed for scam and not the company.

[rachael9385]

If we should go by gambling challenges in general, both the physical and online have theirs, we are the ones that should know what we are doing in the sense that none got to deceive us and cheat on us, another thing we have to consider is when we don't know our rights, it will be taken from us and when we are deprived of it, we still don't see it as something bad done on us, I believed that someone that knows and understands more better about gambling wouldn't fall for this kind of trick.

Every casinos have their own challenges (of course) but the challenges in traditional gamble is more difficult than online casinos, online casinos can be easily operated by any gambler, even if you are a first time gambler you can understand what you are doing. Traditional casinos is different from online casinos and in a traditional casinos there are lot of cheating, either from the manager or from the gamblers. Most times problems happens, mostly when someone lost all his money and he feels very aggressive.

[mak013]

I gave an example here, how i found in DarkNet ID of my mate, who doesn`t use internet. I think that one of banks lost it. It shows that our private data is in internet, even without KYC in some casino. Of course, if we leave it in lots of places, the chance it would be stolen increases, but i think that the main part of us too often leave it to be afraid of KYC today. But everybody can has his own opinion, so let it be so.

About deleting information - i tried it several times and never it was deleted. They have to delete it, if you ask, they say "ok", but never delete it.

One thing I think we all must realize is that, our information, or private information is Definitely someehere online somehow, and it doesn't matter whether we never did use online platforms and kyced on them, casino or exchanges, as far as we have accounts with physical establishments like the banks, and other government agencies, even the companies where worked or work, any of this platforms can be hacked, and customers or workers private information can be stolen, and they won't let any one know about it.
Or sometimes,, they can even be the ones that sell their users or customers private information to third parties for monetary reward.

So, for a person to have zero chances of having their private information appear online somewhere, then such a person must live completely isolated from all activities that involves him or her signing up any platform, online or offline.

Exactly. That`s what i`m talking about. I tested one telegram bot - it showed lots of information about phone number - who use it, country, city, address, favorite services, sometimes name and ID. So i don`t cares about it - the main danger today is to lose phone and 2FA.

[CryptSafe]

I choose online gambling because I don't want to be monitored, no one will see many as a gambler and if I get lucky no one will know that I just won a big amount of money, it will be a secret between the casino and I only.

I agree to this, the only way to your privacy will be exposed to the public is when the casino database was leaked which already happened in the past. In fact, I’m always receiving a promotional email from different casino that I didn’t know regularly on my spam mails.

Although playing in physical casino makes feel comfortable especially privacy since I leave far away from the casino which means there’s a very low chance I will met someone I knew there but playing online casino will give you the maximum privacy especially if the casino you are playing doesn’t ask for KYC.

Of a truth online casino really guarantee ones privacy because when  one gambles nobody would know about it even when you win too nobody would know  or hear about it. It remains a secret between you and the casino and just as you have said, it can only get revealed when the casino is likely hacked and informations of gamblers registered with the casino is being publicly displayed.

Secondly you receiving promotional emails from casinos you did not register with seems fishy because it is either your details have been leaked from a data base which have emails stored there or you must have filled forms before that requires your email and possibly those details must have been traded or leaked which you never can tell. You can block those email addresses from sending you mails for your own safety because you just might be tempted some day to click on it to see their features and then you begin not minding the consequences of what you have done.

Lastly, playing at a casino far away from home is quite alright but the truth is that you never can tell who you will come in contact with in course of going there. You should know one thing that as you are having this type of thought so some other persons elsewhere are having such thought and there is every possibility that amongst a 100 persons you might meet in the casino you might likely meet them somewhere else in the future. So it is not a guaranteed stuff that playing in a casino far away from home is safe. You can talk about comfort when it gets to that point but not thinking of hiding from people when you gamble at a physical casino far away from home.

[Ojima-ojo]

Severally sport bettors have faced this kind of challenge when they win big amount, because at the point of winning the Gambling agent may become very greedy to want to play a smart one of the gambler, but at the end of the day if the ticket can be presented to the head quarter of the casino, heay get settled from there on.


This case have happened to many people before and that may be the reason why most of the sport betting platforms always place limits to how much a betting agent can handle in term of payout of gambling winnings, because that will help them to eliminate such scam attempt from the betting agent.

[paxmao]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

For me I think as long as traditional casinos can operate on daily basis and make bi players play on their edge, then they could still last. I believe the lesson in here is to really, only play with reliable casinos where they have verified payouts from their previous participants. In terms of online gambling, be aware of hidden rules and the activeness of customer service for any problem. And for traditional casinos, my biggest concern was always been my security. There's no point if I won a lot but I can't et out alive right?

What are you trying to imply by saying you not get out alive winning a lot of money in traditional casino? I don't subscribe to that thought and that's because I have known and heard about people that won millions using traditional casino's or sports bet and are walking on the street living their everyday life after collecting the money.

I know one of the reasons some gamblers fail to use traditional casino's to use online is because of the fear of their security when they will large amount of money and it's then it goes public throughout the casino and it's environs. If you're one of such persons then you don't have to worry as you can always negotiate with the  casino management to keep you anonymous  without a third party knowing the identity of the winner.

Some establishments may require that if a huge amount is exceeded, they can name the player’s first and last name in order to provide themselves with greater advertising and show that this is a real player, and not just an anonymous one. By the way, this is probably what they do in lotteries. In poker, for example, we will not be able to maintain anonymity because large bets can be shown online and the faces of many will be visible, as well as the winner, if he is not covered with a mask all the time. I wonder if it’s possible to come to the casino with a mask, but I think that the bouncers will throw us out into the courtyard and laugh, because the player will look like a robber 

I do not see why they have to apply a rule so selectively. The way that money laundering schemes use is not to put everything in the same virtual account, but rather spread it across many small transactions that fly under the taxman's radar. Activating such a measure just because the player is doing well is more of a way of scamming or looking for a excuse to not pay.

[danadc]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

For me I think as long as traditional casinos can operate on daily basis and make bi players play on their edge, then they could still last. I believe the lesson in here is to really, only play with reliable casinos where they have verified payouts from their previous participants. In terms of online gambling, be aware of hidden rules and the activeness of customer service for any problem. And for traditional casinos, my biggest concern was always been my security. There's no point if I won a lot but I can't et out alive right?

What are you trying to imply by saying you not get out alive winning a lot of money in traditional casino? I don't subscribe to that thought and that's because I have known and heard about people that won millions using traditional casino's or sports bet and are walking on the street living their everyday life after collecting the money.

I know one of the reasons some gamblers fail to use traditional casino's to use online is because of the fear of their security when they will large amount of money and it's then it goes public throughout the casino and it's environs. If you're one of such persons then you don't have to worry as you can always negotiate with the  casino management to keep you anonymous  without a third party knowing the identity of the winner.

Some establishments may require that if a huge amount is exceeded, they can name the player’s first and last name in order to provide themselves with greater advertising and show that this is a real player, and not just an anonymous one. By the way, this is probably what they do in lotteries. In poker, for example, we will not be able to maintain anonymity because large bets can be shown online and the faces of many will be visible, as well as the winner, if he is not covered with a mask all the time. I wonder if it’s possible to come to the casino with a mask, but I think that the bouncers will throw us out into the courtyard and laugh, because the player will look like a robber 

I do not see why they have to apply a rule so selectively. The way that money laundering schemes use is not to put everything in the same virtual account, but rather spread it across many small transactions that fly under the taxman's radar. Activating such a measure just because the player is doing well is more of a way of scamming or looking for a excuse to not pay.

I have seen many ways that they do money laundering, even with simple games, there is a lot of fashion in something that is a bot that makes money, well several Bots , then if they do it at that level it is not enough to do anything else with them. casino that is a worthy way to legalize money and after passing KYC and everything they always ask for, well it is already clean money, honestly that is what is always sought in this case, making cleaner money, that way it is that we in casinos are Going to do Any type of thing with money, when they are large Sums of money.

[rodskee]

People still get cheated from their own funds in online casinos.
The difference between both is you can be hurt physically in a physical casino unlike ones online.

wait  what do you mean can be hurt in physically ?  will someone hurt you in physical
casino after being cheated? because not unless you start a fight there will no one hurting you mate.

Like has been pointed out
It should be a betting agent and stealing #16M that's alot of courage especially when your information could be traced in the database.

cheater will keep cheating you mate , and that agent is truly a greedy and stupid person to
take your winning and that will damage his reputation.

One thing is to win Big
The Other is to hope you receive Big.
Betting risk doesn't just end in making bets but getting your funds
Some can be so shameless in creating a rule that you violated or using some kind of a limit.

that is scammer, like casino sites 1xbit that keeps scamming people from time to time.

[Webetcoins]

Cannot something like that happen in an online casino as well? It can, and it has because we often see people complaining that a certain casino platform blocked their account, limited it, or refused to pay the winnings by making some excuse either about their regional restrictions, usage of a different IP address, non-verifiable KYC documents, and many other excuses that they can make to refuse to pay the winnings of a gambler.

Some platforms would even limit the accounts of certain sports bettors when they see they are winning a lot of money. The point is, that such things can happen anywhere and it isn't just about land-based or physical casinos but it depends on the operators of a casino. Gamblers need to make sure they are getting involved in casinos that are reputable.