UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season

[Mame89]

Interestingly in the Champions League there are no teams that can always dominate. Except Real Madrid is only able to maintain three times in a row and of course it will be very difficult to materialize again.

The UCL League is very interesting and very difficult for any team except Real Madrid to contribute. Even though it was said that it would be difficult to do it again, with the squad that Real Madrid currently has, it is not impossible that Real Madrid will do it again. We know that this season Real Madrid without their mainstay striker can win the UCL title, especially next season with very good strikers like Mbappe and Endrik.

The Champions League atmosphere is truly amazing and the tournament has been running for a long time so that each team is always very ambitious to be able to get the trophy.

The atmosphere of the UCL league is very different from European leagues, let alone domestic leagues. The reason is that the team will give their best in this competition and there will always be surprises. Moreover, there are very impressive teams that will appear in the UCL league next season, such as Aston Villa, Bologna, Brest, Girona and Stutgrat. Of course, it will be very interesting to see which team advances the furthest in these five teams.

Yes, I also thought that at that time PSG would be able to win the competition, because the presence of Lionel Messi and several other top players, but again the mystery of the Champions League was difficult to realize. But for next season I also believe that Real Madrid will be able to again defend his title Mbappe will also make a big influence and make the Ancelotti squad stronger. But in any football can happen and no one is able to guess the results of the match in detail.

It is very easy to identify that PSG failed to win a trophy even though the squad was filled with top players, because the team did not have the mentality and did not have a coach who was able to utilize the skills of the players.

[Palakka]

Interestingly in the Champions League there are no teams that can always dominate. Except Real Madrid is only able to maintain three times in a row and of course it will be very difficult to materialize again.

After Madrid was able to do but we no longer saw any dominance by a team in the Champions League so far, the competition is competitive and full of the best teams in Europe, making the Champions League very difficult for one team to dominate, especially after in several in the last season, many teams started to have quality and also capable squads, so with the increase that occurred in European clubs, competition in the Champions League also became more difficult, even Madrid, which this season managed to win the Champions League and to maintain it next season will certainly be very difficult although they have improved the quality of the squad by bringing in mbappe and other players.

The Champions League atmosphere is truly amazing and the tournament has been running for a long time so that each team is always very ambitious to be able to get the trophy.

Yes, I also thought that at that time PSG would be able to win the competition, because the presence of Lionel Messi and several other top players, but again the mystery of the Champions League was difficult to realize. But for next season I also believe that Real Madrid will be able to again defend his title Mbappe will also make a big influence and make the Ancelotti squad stronger. But in any football can happen and no one is able to guess the results of the match in detail.

The difference in atmosphere that occurs in the league and the Champions League often means that a club has to continue to add depth to their squad even though they are very strong in the domestic league, what has happened to PSG so far is an example of the difficulty of competition in the Champions League so far, PSG continues to have the ambition to win the Champions League trophy by bringing in lots of stars, but they forget that there are many factors that really influence a team to be able to win the Champions League trophy so far.

[pusaka]

Interestingly in the Champions League there are no teams that can always dominate. Except Real Madrid is only able to maintain three times in a row and of course it will be very difficult to materialize again.

After Madrid was able to do but we no longer saw any dominance by a team in the Champions League so far, the competition is competitive and full of the best teams in Europe, making the Champions League very difficult for one team to dominate, especially after in several in the last season, many teams started to have quality and also capable squads, so with the increase that occurred in European clubs, competition in the Champions League also became more difficult, even Madrid, which this season managed to win the Champions League and to maintain it next season will certainly be very difficult although they have improved the quality of the squad by bringing in mbappe and other players.

It is not easy to dominate the Champions League and become champions in a row, and when Real Madrid managed to win the title 3 times in a row, they got it in a way that was not easy at all. Real Madrid's advantage when they did that was that their players had a very good winning mentality, so they were able to do something that had long been considered the "curse" of the Champions League.
At that time, Real Madrid had a luxurious squad and almost all of the mainstay players were players who had captain status in their respective countries. That is another advantage they have so that they achieve enormous success.
Next season they are also believed to be able to defend the title, but this is the Champions League and everything will be more difficult to achieve.

[KingsDen]

Everyone knows that Real Madrid is the king of Europe. It is very difficult for any club to match their performance, especially now that Real Madrid has a French star player who will make Real Madrid stronger than before, so I think other clubs will have even more difficulty thwarting that club's efforts to win the title again.
Even Man City and Bayern Munich will definitely have difficulty beating these main rivals, but yes, I also want to see a club that can surprise so that the competition looks exciting and can prove that a club studded with star players can still be beaten.

Indeed. All people around the world knows Real Madrid is very superior in UCL. They are the club that won the UCL trophy many times, they won 15 UCL trophies. For the next season, the chance of Real Madrid to win the 16th UCL trophy is very open because Mbappe already joins Rea Madrid. Mabppe is one of the best strikers in the world, he surely strengthen Real Madrid attacking power.



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_finals

You're right. In theory, Man City and Bayern Munich will be more difficult to beat Real Madrid. But it is not impossible that Man City and Bayern Munich can beat Real Madrid. Sometimes when a team feels that they are stronger, they become lazy to evaluate their weakness. So if Real Madrid is too focus on attacking, their defense can be so fragile and the opponents can beat them.

It is quite fascinating how Real Madrid has been at the helms of Champions League trophies right from old times and they are still in good form to contend for this in the next few decades. This is an epitome of consistency. I do not only applaud the coaches that brought this glory and the players but also the management for consistency over the years. Real Madrid is indeed a club that opponents fear. It is a dream club of every player and I jealous them for that.

In the other hand, Liverpool and Bayern Munich are still been keeping up the fire for the recent seasons. I now see the reason of the rivalry between Real Madrid and Liverpool when Ronaldo and Mohamed Salah was their key player respectively. I do really wish that Manchester city will be in this contention level for a long time.

[Frankolala]

You're right. In theory, Man City and Bayern Munich will be more difficult to beat Real Madrid. But it is not impossible that Man City and Bayern Munich can beat Real Madrid. Sometimes when a team feels that they are stronger, they become lazy to evaluate their weakness. So if Real Madrid is too focus on attacking, their defense can be so fragile and the opponents can beat them.

Manchester City will not be able to win Real Madrid next season because their players are not equal to the task, and if they cannot next season then they might not anytime soon. This is because if Pep leaves the club after next season no one's knows if the coach that will come to City will be able to strengthen the club the way Pep built it.

As for Bayern Munich, it is impossible for that to happen next season in the sense that they just changed their coach and brought Kompany who I don't think will be able to add much impact on the club's performance next season. He should focus more on how to win Bundesliga and not UCL because much is expected from in from the fans.

[mammusu]

I actually think that Real Madrid is such a good team when it comes to the Champions League competition that they make it look easy sometimes. Whenever they are playing a Champions League match, it is expected that they will perform incredibly well against any team. Nobody should actually think that the Champions League competition is easy for Real Madrid. After all the Champions League competition is the biggest competition in the world of football right after the World Cup in my opinion. And definitely the biggest club competition in the whole world.

I actually do not think Manchester City is going to be better than Real Madrid in this season's Champions League competition. Because Real Madrid will have Mbappé. And the attacking positions, specifically the striker position is the biggest problem that they had. I think Mbappé will fix that problem. Even though he is a left-winger, they will probably play him as a striker and Vini jr is going to be on the left wing.

Some people even call them the kings of the Champions League because when they did it it looked easy and managed to record 15 Champions League titles. It's not surprising that they are the favorites in the Champions League because they can do it well. Actually, their game is normal, I mean their strategy can be read. They will wait and won't hold the ball much, but when the opportunity arises they won't waste it and can immediately execute it into a goal. They are very effective when attacking. We can see from the match where they beat Manchester City in the penalty shootout last season. They even lost a lot in terms of ball possession, but they managed to overwhelm Manchester City.

Ancelotti is a very smart coach, he is a simple type of coach. What he implemented was that as much as possible the players could play very effectively, they should not miss the slightest opportunity, and that was very successful.

[Lida93]

There was a time not long ago that Paris Saint German (PSG) had K. Mbappe, Lionel Messi, and Neymar in their team that we all thought they were going to do wonders and capture the champions league like never before but nothing of such as expected of such squad materialized. Am not saying Madrid is not a threat with the inclusion of Mbappe in their squad towards next season but that doesn't make them unbreakable, neither does it give assurance about their winning the UCL trophy next season. They could be unlucky and with various lapses because having the team crowded with star players doesn't omit them from some possible lapses to which their opponents can drill through.

I have no expectations from any team yet till the start of the season with teams transitioning from the group stage to the next round. All I look for is enjoying the games and be well entertained with good football. And should Real Madrid continue in their expedition of winning the UCL over and over again the competition will eventually start looking boring for football fans, this is why we need other teams to intercept their serial flow.

Interestingly in the Champions League there are no teams that can always dominate. Except Real Madrid is only able to maintain three times in a row and of course it will be very difficult to materialize again.

The Champions League atmosphere is truly amazing and the tournament has been running for a long time so that each team is always very ambitious to be able to get the trophy.

Yes, I also thought that at that time PSG would be able to win the competition, because the presence of Lionel Messi and several other top players, but again the mystery of the Champions League was difficult to realize. But for next season I also believe that Real Madrid will be able to again defend his title Mbappe will also make a big influence and make the Ancelotti squad stronger. But in any football can happen and no one is able to guess the results of the match in detail.

I love watching the UEFA champions league more than any other league competition due to how highly competitive it gets with the action's from start to finish with no team showing no respect to any big team in the tournament. However, since Mbappe had just arrived at Real Madrid and has never won it in his career and been his first season he would want to strive hard in his best with his teammates to win it again and unlike in PSG, Real Madrid has a vibrant  squad that are used to winning the champions league trophy which he's with a higher chance of winning it with them but still not guaranteed it could be this very season in focus as anything unexpected could for sure happen in football.

[hahay]

You're right. In theory, Man City and Bayern Munich will be more difficult to beat Real Madrid. But it is not impossible that Man City and Bayern Munich can beat Real Madrid. Sometimes when a team feels that they are stronger, they become lazy to evaluate their weakness. So if Real Madrid is too focus on attacking, their defense can be so fragile and the opponents can beat them.

Manchester City will not be able to win Real Madrid next season because their players are not equal to the task, and if they cannot next season then they might not anytime soon. This is because if Pep leaves the club after next season no one's knows if the coach that will come to City will be able to strengthen the club the way Pep built it.

As for Bayern Munich, it is impossible for that to happen next season in the sense that they just changed their coach and brought Kompany who I don't think will be able to add much impact on the club's performance next season. He should focus more on how to win Bundesliga and not UCL because much is expected from in from the fans.

It is quite surprising that Bayern Munich has a chance to beat Real Madrid because after all, to get the Bundesliga trophy next season will also be very doubtful. Because anyway,  it looks like Bayen Munich appointed the wrong coach and thus, it looks like to getting good results in the Bundesliga is also likely to be difficult for Bayern Munich next season. So, there is no chance for Bayern Munich to make it to the Champions League final.

But about Manchester City, if for example Pep Guardiola declares to leave at the end of next season, then of course Pep Guardiola will make the best and maximum effort to give Manchester City good results before his departure. After all, basically Manchester City in the Pep Guardiola era is still a great team, and of course always has the chance to go further in the Champion League. Therefore, it is not surprising and not something wrong if Manchester City may always be said to be a difficult opponent for Real Madrid.

[beerlover]

Like last season where Manchester City eliminated Madrid before the UCL final and finally Manchester City became UCL champions for the first time stopping Madrid's dominance in the UCL by beating Intermilan in the final, but unfortunately last season Manchester City failed to eliminate Madrid. There was a clear opportunity for Madrid to chase the trophy. The UCL went smoothly and beat Dortmund in the UCL final, but in the new season there will be many surprises and I also hope that not only Manchester City but there are other teams that can beat Madrid but no one has been able to beat them except strong teams like Manchester City or Munich. Moreover, Madrid has the new strength of Mbappe, it is clear that it will also make it difficult for other teams to break their dominance in the UCL next season.

Exactly, that's the real picture and maybe that will continue to happen as long as no team can overthrow Real Madrid before the final match. Maybe there is a little hope for other teams to win against Real Madrid in the final round but it feels very difficult considering that the last time Real Madrid was runner up was in 1981 and that is still the longest record for a team competing in the champions league.

I think that even though there are always strong competitors as you have mentioned, it will still be very difficult if the team cannot beat the winning mentality that the Whites squad has. Just imagine, when Real Madrid concedes, they can always equalize or reverse the situation and if there is a team that can make Real Madrid feel frustrated then that will be an extraordinary thing and maybe Real Madrid will not be as strong as before.

I agree that it is quite difficult for any team to beat Real Madrid at this point, I mean lets face it they won it without Mbappe and then added him as well. I just can't see how it is going to be possible for other teams to win UCL for a few more years, we may see another Real Madrid domination for a few back to backs.

However, UCL is a difficult league, if you have even just a few players, maybe even just one player missing then suddenly all your strategy could be in ruins and you may play much worse than you normally do. Haven't we seen Real Madrid lose 4-1 just a year ago? We have, and I think that's the important part, we need to remember that we could see them do something like that and have a bad game and lose, that's the only way.

[len01]

It is quite surprising that Bayern Munich has a chance to beat Real Madrid because after all, to get the Bundesliga trophy next season will also be very doubtful. Because anyway,  it looks like Bayen Munich appointed the wrong coach and thus, it looks like to getting good results in the Bundesliga is also likely to be difficult for Bayern Munich next season. So, there is no chance for Bayern Munich to make it to the Champions League final.

It's too early to say all this but we really shouldn't blame Munich for choosing Kompany as coach even though this team is one of the biggest teams in the bundesliga and will not choose a coach carelessly. Most Munich fans believe that choosing Kompany is one of the best choices.
Maybe Munich is in doubt but our team must remember how this team's squad is filled with professional players who could be the strongest challenger for Madrid.

But about Manchester City, if for example Pep Guardiola declares to leave at the end of next season, then of course Pep Guardiola will make the best and maximum effort to give Manchester City good results before his departure. After all, basically Manchester City in the Pep Guardiola era is still a great team, and of course always has the chance to go further in the Champion League. Therefore, it is not surprising and not something wrong if Manchester City may always be said to be a difficult opponent for Real Madrid.

It is not certain what Guardiola decision will be in the coming season when his career becomes bigger, I think he will stay and extend his contract. And if he really decides to leave, he won't be chasing a prestigious title so much but will instead leave a legacy of a strong squad so that the new coach can continue the Man City players dream of getting another UCL title.

[Adams0001]

Interestingly in the Champions League there are no teams that can always dominate. Except Real Madrid is only able to maintain three times in a row and of course it will be very difficult to materialize again.

After Madrid was able to do but we no longer saw any dominance by a team in the Champions League so far, the competition is competitive and full of the best teams in Europe, making the Champions League very difficult for one team to dominate, especially after in several in the last season, many teams started to have quality and also capable squads, so with the increase that occurred in European clubs, competition in the Champions League also became more difficult, even Madrid, which this season managed to win the Champions League and to maintain it next season will certainly be very difficult although they have improved the quality of the squad by bringing in mbappe and other players.

It is not easy to dominate the Champions League and become champions in a row, and when Real Madrid managed to win the title 3 times in a row, they got it in a way that was not easy at all. Real Madrid's advantage when they did that was that their players had a very good winning mentality, so they were able to do something that had long been considered the "curse" of the Champions League.
At that time, Real Madrid had a luxurious squad and almost all of the mainstay players were players who had captain status in their respective countries. That is another advantage they have so that they achieve enormous success.
Next season they are also believed to be able to defend the title, but this is the Champions League and everything will be more difficult to achieve.

Real Madrid is a favourite to win the Champions League every season, and any coach who comes to Madrid will win the title for them because the players in Real Madrid are good and talented, so I still believe that Real Madrid will win the Champions League next season with the squad they have, and now that Mbappe is in the team, Manchester City will struggle before they can challenge Madrid in the competition. Let's see if Madrid will But I know Manchester City will do whatever it takes to challenge Real Madrid in the Champions League next season because it is only Manchester City i think can compete with madrid in my opinion,And Guadiola needs to tighten their belts and try to sign new players because Haaland did not perform well in the UCl last season because I believe De Bruyne was injured, which is why Haaland was unable to perform well in the competition and score goals for the club. Let's see how the next season's Champions League goes and who will be the favourite to win the trophy.

[Josefjix]

You're right. In theory, Man City and Bayern Munich will be more difficult to beat Real Madrid. But it is not impossible that Man City and Bayern Munich can beat Real Madrid. Sometimes when a team feels that they are stronger, they become lazy to evaluate their weakness. So if Real Madrid is too focus on attacking, their defense can be so fragile and the opponents can beat them.

Real Madrid have won the UEFA Champions League title for the 15th time and they're the best club in Europe after surpassing every other club when it comes to major title won. Real Madrid will continue to dominate because they've everything within their reach. While Manchester City and Bayern Munich are formidable for the UEFA Champions League next season but they're not the only ones that will take it to the next level, we have Real Madrid and other elite clubs that will fight for the very best.

[Hanadawa]

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Last season both teams had almost the same level. This season Real Madrid is a stronger team and is one level above City. Real Madrid managed to get Mbappe and this is a big achievement for them because it means they will have a pure striker next season. This is a challenge for Pep to be able to match Real Madrid in the UCL. To be honest, Haaland is a very good striker but unfortunately KDB's injury means Haaland does not get the maximum ball supply. It looks like City needs to look for a playmaker like Kevin De Bruyne this season. Madrid also lost Kroos who chose to retire but it looks like they still have Camavinga or Arda Guler who can replace him.

[klidex]

Interestingly in the Champions League there are no teams that can always dominate. Except Real Madrid is only able to maintain three times in a row and of course it will be very difficult to materialize again.

In fact, Real Madrid won the Champions League title 5 times in a row in 1956-1960, more precisely at the beginning of the Champions League being founded, it didn't stop there. Real Madrid won the UCL title again in a row again in 2016-2018, actually compared to any other club. Madrid is the only one who is able to achieve good results in the UCL. If you say they dominate, I admit it because Madrid won the most titles in the UCL.

Source : https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Madrid_C.F.

Yes, I also thought that at that time PSG would be able to win the competition, because the presence of Lionel Messi and several other top players, but again the mystery of the Champions League was difficult to realize. But for next season I also believe that Real Madrid will be able to again defend his title Mbappe will also make a big influence and make the Ancelotti squad stronger. But in any football can happen and no one is able to guess the results of the match in detail.

The presence of Lionel Messi, Neymar and Mbappe is not a guarantee that PSG can win the title, in fact the UCL competition is not as easy as you imagine, it requires a strong mentality and experience.
Actually there was no doubt about Neymar and Messi at that time but football is not just about 3 people contributing, it requires solid cooperation between all the players and also the coach's tactics. If they could fulfill all of that, PSG could have won the title but unfortunately it was too late for all of them already gone

[reagansimms]

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Real Madrid have won the UEFA Champions League title for the 15th time and they're the best club in Europe after surpassing every other club when it comes to major title won. Real Madrid will continue to dominate because they've everything within their reach. While Manchester City and Bayern Munich are formidable for the UEFA Champions League next season but they're not the only ones that will take it to the next level, we have Real Madrid and other elite clubs that will fight for the very best.

It is very difficult for other clubs to match the record that Real Madrid has achieved in the Champions League or even almost impossible because Real Madrid is still a strong club that is always the favorite to win this championship. Real Madrid is still dominating the Champions League and has just succeeded in adding to its trophy collection. Real Madrid capacity as the top team and most likely to win the UCL Trophy will make it easier for them to defend the trophy they have just won.

Manchester City is predicted to be a challenger to Real Madrid in winning the title in the next edition, while for Bayern Munich, I am not sure they will be able to do it because currently they are handled by a coach who has no experience in European competitions. All teams will fight and give their best performance to win the trophy, but in the end only the strong teams and those who manage to maintain their best performance will appear in the final. Real Madrid and Manchester City are very worthy of appearing in the final, but it depends on their performance in each round.

[Fara Chan]

Last season both teams had almost the same level. This season Real Madrid is a stronger team and is one level above City. Real Madrid managed to get Mbappe and this is a big achievement for them because it means they will have a pure striker next season. This is a challenge for Pep to be able to match Real Madrid in the UCL. To be honest, Haaland is a very good striker but unfortunately KDB's injury means Haaland does not get the maximum ball supply. It looks like City needs to look for a playmaker like Kevin De Bruyne this season. Madrid also lost Kroos who chose to retire but it looks like they still have Camavinga or Arda Guler who can replace him.

Apart from several players who were injured and came and retired in these two teams, in fact I still see that the level between Real Madrid and Manchester City in the Champions League next season is the same, the only difference between the two is the mentality of winning again in the League. Champion next season. Because Real Madrid will be too difficult to beat if they reach the final in the Champions League, so any team must think about how to get rid of Real Madrid early before the team reaches the final.

[Palakka]

Last season both teams had almost the same level. This season Real Madrid is a stronger team and is one level above City. Real Madrid managed to get Mbappe and this is a big achievement for them because it means they will have a pure striker next season. This is a challenge for Pep to be able to match Real Madrid in the UCL. To be honest, Haaland is a very good striker but unfortunately KDB's injury means Haaland does not get the maximum ball supply. It looks like City needs to look for a playmaker like Kevin De Bruyne this season. Madrid also lost Kroos who chose to retire but it looks like they still have Camavinga or Arda Guler who can replace him.

So far we have been too focused on always making Manchester City and Madrid favorite challengers for the Champions League title, without looking at the possibility that other teams will rise next season, although in terms of quality teams like Madrid and Manchester City have everything they need to become title challengers, however what happened in Dortmund last season should be an experience for us so as not to close our eyes in seeing the opportunity for surprises that might happen again next season in the Champions League, in fact we are all very aware that the teams that have played in the Champions League so far have been the best teams. in Europe, but we often close our eyes because just see the glory of Madrid and Manchester City in the Champions League.

Next season the big teams that were previously in decline will start to make a lot of improvements in the quality of their teams, Barcelona, ​​Arsenal, Dortmund, Bayern Munich, Intermilan and Juventus, doesn't they still very worthy of being our favorites in the Champions League next season?
 Apart from that, we also must not forget the possibility of surprises in the Champions League like last season, teams such as Aston Villa, Girona, Atlanta and Leverkusen of course don't just want to be spectators and supplement their quota in the Champions League without the fight they provide.

[Ruttoshi]

You're right. In theory, Man City and Bayern Munich will be more difficult to beat Real Madrid. But it is not impossible that Man City and Bayern Munich can beat Real Madrid. Sometimes when a team feels that they are stronger, they become lazy to evaluate their weakness. So if Real Madrid is too focus on attacking, their defense can be so fragile and the opponents can beat them.

Real Madrid have won the UEFA Champions League title for the 15th time and they're the best club in Europe after surpassing every other club when it comes to major title won. Real Madrid will continue to dominate because they've everything within their reach. While Manchester City and Bayern Munich are formidable for the UEFA Champions League next season but they're not the only ones that will take it to the next level, we have Real Madrid and other elite clubs that will fight for the very best.

With the current players in Real Madrid team there is no doubt that they are capable of winning champions league back to back and this is not something new to them because they have done it before. I don't see any club that is capable of kicking them out of the league next season due to so many reasons. City is weak to withstand Real Madrid which they could not do last season without Mbappe .

I don't think of seeing any surprises on who will be the winner but teams that we don't expect can surprise us with their performances and we might see a different club playing the finals with Real Madrid again next season.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I don't think of seeing any surprises on who will be the winner but teams that we don't expect can surprise us with their performances and we might see a different club playing the finals with Real Madrid again next season.

Real Madrid are the biggest club in the world, no doubt. They weren’t the best team in Europe last season though even though they won it. Man City were far better than them but Real defended like dogs, got some luck and held out for penalties. Even Dortmund should have been 1 or 2 goals up before Carvajal scored.

No doubt Real will be big contenders again but there will be 4 or 5 other teams at least that can win it. I don’t know what more Mbappe will give Real, he didn’t win the CL with PSG and he had a mediocre Euros with France. He is not on the level of peak Messi or Ronaldo.

[el kaka22]

I would say that Real Madrid is the type of team that cares about UCL more than anything else. Like they could end a season with UCL win, but lose the cup and the league, and they would be happier with that result than winning the league and the cup but losing UCL. Sure when you are a good enough team to win the UCL, the likely possibility that we are going to see them win the league too, but not always and if you look at the UCL winners, not all of them won the league same season, meaning if given the offer, Real would prefer UCL over anything else.

Not every team is like that, but UCL is the most important cup and everyone would prefer to win just that and nothing else. Real did manage to turn themselves into a "tournament" club instead of a league one, there is a difference there.