[Boxing]: Bivol vs Beterbiev rematch Feb 22

[bbc.reporter]

Also, if Bivol will only use the same tactic similar to their fight before, he will be a risk to be receiving a knockdown from Beterbiev.

I highly doubt that. I expect him to make big adjustments because he can’t afford to lose this fight. If he does, it’s over, everything he worked for goes to waste. He has to win to force a trilogy with his rival, and if he pulls it off, he’ll maximize his earnings as well.

Of course, Beterbiev will still be the favorite since he won the first fight, and even before that, he was already favored. But maybe it’s time to witness an upset, if that’s what we’re calling it.

Yes, similar to you, this is the argument. If Bivol will not make the changes in his tactics against Beterbiev and float like a butterfly, he will certainly be on a risk to receive a knockdown. Bivol must make those changes.

However, our expectations is very much different from reality. I have argued that Bivol should be like Rocky Balboa in Rocky 3 where after his coach Mickey died of a heart attack, it was his former opponent Apollo who became his new coach. Apollo taught Rocky to float like a butterfly through the improvisation of his footwork! I very much wish Bivol will also do this.

[Hirose UK]

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Both are equally strong and it seems like more relaxed fight or filled with caution will not happen in this rematch because we know in the previous fight Bivol also almost got the victory and he was the only fighter who was able to survive until the last round was finished, there will be more aggressive fight between them.
Beterbiev will try to defend his undisputed champion title but Bivol is definitely challenger in this rematch trying to return or avenge his defeat, this is big fight and some people even say it could be draw, but I believe Bivol can get what he wants in this fight.

With regards to that, then Bivol should really train hard, it's not enough to last 12 rounds and lose the fight. He almost got it as he might be leading in judges scorecard, but he seems to get soften by Beterbiev's punches that why in the championship rounds, he slowed down.

So this is still a great chance for him to avenge his lost. He just need more head movement and not get caught by Beterbiev's power punches. He has a high guard, but still though, Beterbiev was able to get to that defense. So maybe he will need to tighten up a little bit and not allow Beterbiev's upper cut because it really did damage to him.

Yes, it is Bivol job to evaluate from the previous fight to be better in the second fight later, if you say Bivol only defended it is also not quite right because in that fight Bivol was still able to match every punch from Beterbiev, it would be more surprising if Bivol could try to get KO winning because that way he would get much more satisfying revenge.

What I like about Bivol is every counterattack attempt, he can take advantage of every opportunity well to launch punch, seeing the preparation of both fighters they are really focused for fight this.

[TravelMug]

Also, if Bivol will only use the same tactic similar to their fight before, he will be a risk to be receiving a knockdown from Beterbiev.

I highly doubt that. I expect him to make big adjustments because he can’t afford to lose this fight. If he does, it’s over, everything he worked for goes to waste. He has to win to force a trilogy with his rival, and if he pulls it off, he’ll maximize his earnings as well.

Of course, Beterbiev will still be the favorite since he won the first fight, and even before that, he was already favored. But maybe it’s time to witness an upset, if that’s what we’re calling it.

Yes, similar to you, this is the argument. If Bivol will not make the changes in his tactics against Beterbiev and float like a butterfly, he will certainly be on a risk to receive a knockdown. Bivol must make those changes.

However, our expectations is very much different from reality. I have argued that Bivol should be like Rocky Balboa in Rocky 3 where after his coach Mickey died of a heart attack, it was his former opponent Apollo who became his new coach. Apollo taught Rocky to float like a butterfly through the improvisation of his footwork! I very much wish Bivol will also do this.

Are there reports though that Bivol has switch coach? I haven't heard any and so with that, he might stick with his old coach but then they will have to sit down and discussed a better strategy for the rematch so that they can win.

And if he still has faith in his coach, they can simply turn around things and practice a new and different strategy and just like what you and others have suggested, Bivol should not stand up face to face and upfront and should move a lot to stay away from those power punches of Beterbiev.

[Russlenat]

Are there reports though that Bivol has switch coach? I haven't heard any and so with that, he might stick with his old coach but then they will have to sit down and discussed a better strategy for the rematch so that they can win.

And if he still has faith in his coach, they can simply turn around things and practice a new and different strategy and just like what you and others have suggested, Bivol should not stand up face to face and upfront and should move a lot to stay away from those power punches of Beterbiev.

There hasn’t been any report like that. What I read is that he worked with other trainers to improve his skills and conditioning. 

And honestly, there’s no need to change the coach, what’s needed is a change in strategy. Mashianov has been his coach for a long time, and I’m sure he can come up with the right adjustments to even out the rivalry.

[Jating]

Are there reports though that Bivol has switch coach? I haven't heard any and so with that, he might stick with his old coach but then they will have to sit down and discussed a better strategy for the rematch so that they can win.

And if he still has faith in his coach, they can simply turn around things and practice a new and different strategy and just like what you and others have suggested, Bivol should not stand up face to face and upfront and should move a lot to stay away from those power punches of Beterbiev.

There hasn’t been any report like that. What I read is that he worked with other trainers to improve his skills and conditioning. 

And honestly, there’s no need to change the coach, what’s needed is a change in strategy. Mashianov has been his coach for a long time, and I’m sure he can come up with the right adjustments to even out the rivalry.

I do agree that just because of one fight, he will suddenly go and change coaches, it doesn't work that way. And if I'm not mistaken, his coach has been guided him throughout his career, so there is mutual respect and loyalty as well. And we can only say that coach are as good as their boxers, because after what has been done during their practice, when the bell rings, it will only be the boxers inside.

So he don't need a new coach, what they need is to come up with a better strategy to win the fight. They have seen their weaknesses in the first fight, and so they will need to improved a bit in the rematch and adjust.

[bbc.reporter]

Also, if Bivol will only use the same tactic similar to their fight before, he will be a risk to be receiving a knockdown from Beterbiev.

I highly doubt that. I expect him to make big adjustments because he can’t afford to lose this fight. If he does, it’s over, everything he worked for goes to waste. He has to win to force a trilogy with his rival, and if he pulls it off, he’ll maximize his earnings as well.

Of course, Beterbiev will still be the favorite since he won the first fight, and even before that, he was already favored. But maybe it’s time to witness an upset, if that’s what we’re calling it.

Yes, similar to you, this is the argument. If Bivol will not make the changes in his tactics against Beterbiev and float like a butterfly, he will certainly be on a risk to receive a knockdown. Bivol must make those changes.

However, our expectations is very much different from reality. I have argued that Bivol should be like Rocky Balboa in Rocky 3 where after his coach Mickey died of a heart attack, it was his former opponent Apollo who became his new coach. Apollo taught Rocky to float like a butterfly through the improvisation of his footwork! I very much wish Bivol will also do this.

Are there reports though that Bivol has switch coach? I haven't heard any and so with that, he might stick with his old coach but then they will have to sit down and discussed a better strategy for the rematch so that they can win.

And if he still has faith in his coach, they can simply turn around things and practice a new and different strategy and just like what you and others have suggested, Bivol should not stand up face to face and upfront and should move a lot to stay away from those power punches of Beterbiev.

There not reports that Bivol has replaced his coach or has changed his tactics. This is certainly why I am speculating that this fight will have a similar outcome. If there are no changes in Bivol's tactics, this will end with another victory for Beterbiev and there is very much a possibility that Beterbiev is the boxer that has made an adjustment to give Bivol the knockout to have Bivol's team carry him out of the ring on a stretcher heheheh.

What is odds for Beterbiev with a knockout victory? I wish they will create a prediction market for this fight in Polymarket.

[Ziskinberg]

What is odds for Beterbiev with a knockout victory? I wish they will create a prediction market for this fight in Polymarket.

here's the betting odds for that..

Artur Beterbiev to win by KO/TKO/DQ +220

https://www.mytopsportsbooks.com/boxing-betting/picks/beterbiev-triumph-last-crescendo-over-bivol/

That’s actually higher than Beterbiev’s moneyline to win, even though he now has a 95% KO rate.

Maybe it’s because of their first fight, where Beterbiev couldn’t knock out Bivol despite winning the match. That might be why the odds are a bit more bigger his time around.

[btc_angela]

What is odds for Beterbiev with a knockout victory? I wish they will create a prediction market for this fight in Polymarket.

here's the betting odds for that..

Artur Beterbiev to win by KO/TKO/DQ +220

https://www.mytopsportsbooks.com/boxing-betting/picks/beterbiev-triumph-last-crescendo-over-bivol/

That’s actually higher than Beterbiev’s moneyline to win, even though he now has a 95% KO rate.

Maybe it’s because of their first fight, where Beterbiev couldn’t knock out Bivol despite winning the match. That might be why the odds are a bit more bigger his time around.

Taking a quick glance at Stake,



The odds though for Beterbiev to win by decision is huge, as compare to Bivol. So it's the best bet for so far, and it's seems that the bookies though know that there is a big possibility that Bivol might win by it will be in the judges scorecard.

So let's see, even the ML for either is already appealing but still though, we should be looking for a bang for our buck here.

[Ziskinberg]

Taking a quick glance at Stake,



The odds though for Beterbiev to win by decision is huge, as compare to Bivol. So it's the best bet for so far, and it's seems that the bookies though know that there is a big possibility that Bivol might win by it will be in the judges scorecard.

So let's see, even the ML for either is already appealing but still though, we should be looking for a bang for our buck here.

It’s probably because Beterbiev has a lower chance of winning if the fight goes to the judges' scorecards. Before their first fight, he had a 100% KO rate, so he was never really tested in a decision. Considering this is a rematch, if Bivol can make the right adjustments again and it still goes the distance, he’s likely to win. So the odds make sense. It looks like they believe that for Beterbiev to secure a win, he needs a knockout. If it goes the full 12 rounds, Bivol will likely take it.

[bittraffic]

Taking a quick glance at Stake,



The odds though for Beterbiev to win by decision is huge, as compare to Bivol. So it's the best bet for so far, and it's seems that the bookies though know that there is a big possibility that Bivol might win by it will be in the judges scorecard.

So let's see, even the ML for either is already appealing but still though, we should be looking for a bang for our buck here.

It’s probably because Beterbiev has a lower chance of winning if the fight goes to the judges' scorecards. Before their first fight, he had a 100% KO rate, so he was never really tested in a decision. Considering this is a rematch, if Bivol can make the right adjustments again and it still goes the distance, he’s likely to win. So the odds make sense. It looks like they believe that for Beterbiev to secure a win, he needs a knockout. If it goes the full 12 rounds, Bivol will likely take it.

Not really but maybe because Beterbiev is a KO artist and Bivol knows how to avoid getting KO'd. Most likely the fight will still end in a decision by Bivol if he can still make it to the 12th round.

But do you think there will be a trilogy if Beterbiev wins? Either by KO or UD, I would still hope they will have trilogy if it indeed happens.

[bbc.reporter]

What is odds for Beterbiev with a knockout victory? I wish they will create a prediction market for this fight in Polymarket.

here's the betting odds for that..

Artur Beterbiev to win by KO/TKO/DQ +220

https://www.mytopsportsbooks.com/boxing-betting/picks/beterbiev-triumph-last-crescendo-over-bivol/

That’s actually higher than Beterbiev’s moneyline to win, even though he now has a 95% KO rate.

Maybe it’s because of their first fight, where Beterbiev couldn’t knock out Bivol despite winning the match. That might be why the odds are a bit more bigger his time around.

Also, Beterbiev had a surgery on his knee. This might have lowered the strongness of his power punches because he cannot have concrete placing of his feet! However, this has been more than 1 year since the surgery. Beterbiev might have more confidence on placing his foot concretely for the power punch hehehehe. I reckon this might occur on round 9 where Bivol will begin to become more frustrated from Beterbiev's push near Bivol face.

In any case, this is only my assumption if Bivol does not change his tactics and float like a buttefly. However, if he is floating like a butterfly, this will be a victory for him with a decision.

[Jating]

Taking a quick glance at Stake,



The odds though for Beterbiev to win by decision is huge, as compare to Bivol. So it's the best bet for so far, and it's seems that the bookies though know that there is a big possibility that Bivol might win by it will be in the judges scorecard.

So let's see, even the ML for either is already appealing but still though, we should be looking for a bang for our buck here.

It’s probably because Beterbiev has a lower chance of winning if the fight goes to the judges' scorecards. Before their first fight, he had a 100% KO rate, so he was never really tested in a decision. Considering this is a rematch, if Bivol can make the right adjustments again and it still goes the distance, he’s likely to win. So the odds make sense. It looks like they believe that for Beterbiev to secure a win, he needs a knockout. If it goes the full 12 rounds, Bivol will likely take it.

Not really but maybe because Beterbiev is a KO artist and Bivol knows how to avoid getting KO'd. Most likely the fight will still end in a decision by Bivol if he can still make it to the 12th round.

But do you think there will be a trilogy if Beterbiev wins? Either by KO or UD, I would still hope they will have trilogy if it indeed happens.

Probably this is the case, sportbookies doesn't think that Beterbiev can score a knockout win here just like in the first fight that's why the odds are higher for him to get a decision win. And yes, I would like to see a trilogy, but to have one, Bivol should need to win this fight.

And as per odds he has a slight chance to win as Beterbiev is now the favorite unlike before wherein he is the favorite because Beterbiev is coming from a injury. But sportbookies is wrong that time. So we don't know if they will get the correct winner or we will be trap again.

But again, I wanted for Bivol to win so that we will have a 3rd fight to settle as who is the best LHW of this generation.

[bbc.reporter]

@Jating. This underestimation on Beterbiev's power punch to the jaw of Bivol will be headshaking if this will occur. They have fought before and Beterbiev has experienced Bivol's tactics and behavior in the ring already. This knockout will certainly have a bigger possibility to be witnessed hehehe. This also gives a stronger argument that Bivol should change tactics, to have more movement in the ring and float like a butterfly. He is certainly in danger against the Beterbiev's cornering tactics. We have seen this in their fight before. Bivol very much was uncomfortable against Beterbiev going near his face.

[pawel7777]

Only 10 days to go. Current odds are:
Beterbiev: x1.76
Bivol: x1.95

So pretty much as expected.
If I had to bet, I'd probably go with Bivol. He failed the first time around and lost his undefeated status, but he didn't get KO'ed by Beterbiev, ruining his perfect all-KOs record. Bivol is technically better so it should be easier for him to make adjustments and learn lessons from the first fight. Then again, he might be under greater pressure which could force him to take more risks and expose himself too much.

[Ziskinberg]

But do you think there will be a trilogy if Beterbiev wins? Either by KO or UD, I would still hope they will have trilogy if it indeed happens.

No, a trilogy will only happen if Bivol wins the rematch so he can level the rivalry and pave the way for the best part - the trilogy. Even though it's still a controversial fight, I don't see any chance of a trilogy if Beterbiev wins the rematch. So, as a fan who loves a trilogy, I'm hoping that Bivol will finally figure out how to beat the undefeated Beterbiev so we can all be happy.

[LogitechMouse]

Taking a quick glance at Stake,
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Not really but maybe because Beterbiev is a KO artist and Bivol knows how to avoid getting KO'd. Most likely the fight will still end in a decision by Bivol if he can still make it to the 12th round.

But do you think there will be a trilogy if Beterbiev wins? Either by KO or UD, I would still hope they will have trilogy if it indeed happens.

Beterbiev might be a KO artist, but in their first fight, nobody expected him to knock Bivol down because Bivol is very agile and moves fast. It will be the same this time. Like you said, it will end in a decision, and I believe that it will end that way as well.

The win by Beterbiev is considered "controversial" by some analysts, so let's see if Beterbiev will have a better performance on this fight and will show to the world that he's capable of defeating Bivol, or Bivol will make his revenge and get all of those titles from him. I don't see this ending in a KO, but it would be a decision. Based on the odds, many are favoring Bivol to win via a decision because many wants a trilogy from these 2 fighters which I want to see as well.

As for who will be the winner on this one, it's hard to predict TBH despite the results of their first meeting, but I want a trilogy between the two, so I want Bivol to win... or maybe this fight will end in a draw, and they will face again for the 3rd time in the future.

[pawel7777]

No, a trilogy will only happen if Bivol wins the rematch so he can level the rivalry and pave the way for the best part - the trilogy. Even though it's still a controversial fight, I don't see any chance of a trilogy if Beterbiev wins the rematch. So, as a fan who loves a trilogy, I'm hoping that Bivol will finally figure out how to beat the undefeated Beterbiev so we can all be happy.

You're probably right, but trilogy could still happen even if Beterbiev wins again, i.e. if he wins by highly controversial decission, or if gets knocked down by Bivol few times but wins at the end by a lucky punch etc.
At the end of the day, matchmakers will be looking for most exciting and therefore most profitable match ups, and if there are no better opponents in sight, they might end up paired against each other again.
Of course there are mandatory title defences in play as well for whoever ends up with the belts.

But yeah, I too root for Bivol to win the fight and wouldn't mind seeing them going against each other for the third time.

[bbc.reporter]

But do you think there will be a trilogy if Beterbiev wins? Either by KO or UD, I would still hope they will have trilogy if it indeed happens.

No, a trilogy will only happen if Bivol wins the rematch so he can level the rivalry and pave the way for the best part - the trilogy. Even though it's still a controversial fight, I don't see any chance of a trilogy if Beterbiev wins the rematch. So, as a fan who loves a trilogy, I'm hoping that Bivol will finally figure out how to beat the undefeated Beterbiev so we can all be happy.

Agreed and also, an immediate trilogy will only have much demand if this is another fight similar to the the fight before, I reckon. If Bivol is victorious with a knockout, we can be very much certain that the fans will demand Bivol vs. David Benavidez. The promoters will also like this because they can bring Bivol to Las Vegas. It will be a similar situation if Beterbiev has the victory with a knockout. However, Beterbiev to win 2 times against Bivol will certainly also get demand from fans for him to fight Benavidez. I am very much excited for this hehehehe.

[Oluwa-btc]

I will bet on Bivol for this match, because he is quite suitable for this fight and so far he has kept his physical condition healthy. Because he is getting experienced enough to punch this time, he has had good performances in past matches.
 In this match he will be ahead in the first round and will never give a chance to the opposing player in the second round. His style of play and age are completely included in him, Bivol is much stronger and more aggressive than the opposing player so I feel the most happy to bet on him in this match.

To be very candid,Bivol and Beterbiev are very technical fighters with different strengths and abilities on their own space and as such,They've got very strong desire to defeat each other timelessly.
On the other hand, I'll be giving my honest bet to Beterbiev because hid fighting prowess his linked with his experiences,defensive fighting skills are very remarkable.
Beterbiev is an overwhelming fighter with skills that enables him to overpower his opponents.

[TravelMug]

But do you think there will be a trilogy if Beterbiev wins? Either by KO or UD, I would still hope they will have trilogy if it indeed happens.

No, a trilogy will only happen if Bivol wins the rematch so he can level the rivalry and pave the way for the best part - the trilogy. Even though it's still a controversial fight, I don't see any chance of a trilogy if Beterbiev wins the rematch. So, as a fan who loves a trilogy, I'm hoping that Bivol will finally figure out how to beat the undefeated Beterbiev so we can all be happy.

Agreed and also, an immediate trilogy will only have much demand if this is another fight similar to the the fight before, I reckon. If Bivol is victorious with a knockout, we can be very much certain that the fans will demand Bivol vs. David Benavidez. The promoters will also like this because they can bring Bivol to Las Vegas. It will be a similar situation if Beterbiev has the victory with a knockout. However, Beterbiev to win 2 times against Bivol will certainly also get demand from fans for him to fight Benavidez. I am very much excited for this hehehehe.

And with that, it seems that the Light HW class has it's good version of fab 4 or at least now getting the attention as we haven't see it for a while that there are a lot of great boxers in this weight class.

I also saw some posts of Canelo's strategy on Bivol when they fought, is that Canelo is targeting Bivol's shoulder but it's not effective because Bivol was able to counter him when he do that as Canelo open up. So let's see what kind of adjust Bivol has, I wanted him to move away from Beterbiev's power shot and then just dart in and out just like Manny Pacquiao, light in his fight but then will go on a sudden burst of punches and it might confuse Beterbiev.