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December 11, 2024, 10:49:44 PM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Likely one of the criticisms of recent governing dynamics has been a lot of their inabilities to plan for long-term down the road and/or to follow through with such planning in fiscally disciplined ways.
Surely many folks have come to question the governments ability to employ self-disciplined and financially sound practices (including limiting themselves to spending within their means) - which is ongoingly abused by so many governments, and perhaps the ones that are disciplined and strive to spend within their means are punished for being responsible.
Well, bitcoin can act as a counterweight for that. For sure, the States might have the incentive to print more money out of thin air, buy Bitcoin, print more, and buy more Bitcoin. The effect would be a dilution of their debt, bitcoin going up, a little bit of wealth effect for the Government, the elites, while the masses are inflated away. The point is that this trajectory is inevitable. The fact is how much the Nation State want to rig this game.
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December 12, 2024, 06:33:15 PM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Letest proposal by an US nation: Texas House introduces bill to establish a strategic bitcoin reserveThe proposed bill would enable the state to start building a strategic bitcoin reserve by accepting taxes, fees and donations in bitcoin that would be held for a minimum of five years, Republican state Rep. Giovanni Capriglione announced on an X Spaces event Thursday. It looks pretty vague to me, and I can't see how this bill could Help Texas to build a meaningful SBR. Maybe they could push the Miners to pay their State level Taxes in BTC?
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December 12, 2024, 09:43:47 PM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Maybe they could push the Miners to pay their State level Taxes in BTC?
Something like that is possible, but if I'm not wrong then they're trying to target the miners to pay their mining operation taxes in Bitcoin initially. They won't be forcing them of course but I believe miners won't hesitate either to pay taxes in Bitcoin. Some of them who really prefer to hold Bitcoin may pay taxes in US dollars while there's chance that some of the miners would prefer to pay the taxes with Bitcoin. It would also be quite useful if they miners may pay their State level Taxes in Bitcoin as that would be pretty helpful for that SBR.
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December 13, 2024, 05:57:33 PM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Everywhere I turn, I see new signs of a BSR:  Bessent meeting Senator Lummis is an extremely bullish signal on the case of a BSR. At this point, the pool on Polymarket seems lagging to me:  This should be higher compared to OP.
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December 13, 2024, 08:30:55 PM |
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At this point, the pool on Polymarket seems lagging to me:  This should be higher compared to OP. Not quite much. Trump has barely mentioned anything about a BSR for quite sometime now. The poll was in a bigger favour when he was campaigning Once he mentions anything positive about the BSR even before his inauguration then there would be a sharper increase. It's mentioned in 100 days, so Trump silence has an impact in it more than if it were based on his tenure.
The numbered 6 Opinion and thoughts is written as Opinions and Though. A great Compilation, Just realised my knowledge of the BSR was quite shallow.
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December 14, 2024, 12:15:21 AM |
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The numbered 6 Opinion and thoughts is written as Opinions and Though.
Fixed:  Regarding the pool, I guess he hinted at the BSR more than necessary, and in a sense we are here also because he did that.
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December 15, 2024, 12:55:18 AM Last edit: December 15, 2024, 03:45:47 PM by fillippone |
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This is the most bullish statement so far: Trump Confirms Bitcoin Reserve Plans—$15 Trillion Price Boom Predicted"We're gonna do something great with crypto because we don’t want China, or anybody else … but others are embracing it, and we want to be ahead,"]"We're gonna do something great with crypto because we don’t want China, or anybody else … but others are embracing it, and we want to be ahead," This is the interview mentioned in the article:  China has been gold. US want to be ahad because they are being beaten in the race at physical gold.
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December 15, 2024, 06:54:29 AM Merited by fillippone (3) |
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What i love about his speech is where he stated that "others are embracing it, and we want to be ahead" that's a very powerful speech and you'll know that such person has zero tolerance to failure, wants to be second to none and is aiming for greater heights. Individually that's how aggressive everyone needs to be when it comes to being successful financially, Bitcoin is very futuristic therefore everyone who wants to be on the benefit side in future needs to put in their best effort in accumulating more and more of it against the future and it's high time the world in general embrace it for a better future, i see people still criticing Bitcoin at this point in time and it gets me shocked that even with how it's improved and shown great potential they still criticize it, some government are still yet to uplift bans placed on Bitcoin involvement and i feel bad for their citizens cause they're missing out in accumulating this digital gold against the future. However the U.S should proud that they got a president elect with such mindset, someone who's goal is to put them in front as the best among all.
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Trump confirmed that he's still interested in building the bitcoin strategic reserve. However, I'm still skeptical about it, until I see it in action. In general, though, everything looks extremely bullish. Very nice writeup, fillippone. The one thing that doesn't make sense to me, is announcing this. What is "this"? Their plan to set up a bitcoin strategic reserve? It needs to be made public so that it can build consensus, otherwise the act won't get enough votes.
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December 15, 2024, 04:15:36 PM |
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This is the most bullish statement so far: Trump Confirms Bitcoin Reserve Plans—$15 Trillion Price Boom Predicted"We're gonna do something great with crypto because we don’t want China, or anybody else … but others are embracing it, and we want to be ahead,"]"We're gonna do something great with crypto because we don’t want China, or anybody else … but others are embracing it, and we want to be ahead," This is the interview mentioned in the article:  China has been gold. US want to be ahad because they are being beaten in the race at physical gold. Trump is really the best, this comment by Trump is very important and very positive for crypto. If the United States accepts crypto and fully supports crypto, it will give much more positive results not only in the economic field but also as well as cryptocurrency and bitcoin. such an Trump attitude will bring much more positive movement for crypto and bitcoin, as well as strengthen the country's economy. And due to such a positive attitude of Trump towards crypto, cryptocurrency will go much further. Trump is best for crypto growth.
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"We're gonna do something great with crypto because we don’t want China, or anybody else … but others are embracing it, and we want to be ahead,"]"We're gonna do something great with crypto because we don’t want China, or anybody else … but others are embracing it, and we want to be ahead," This is the interview mentioned in the article:  The last time Donald Trump was elected, he made various statements about working with BTC, but later, we did not see him do anything about Bitcoin. This time, however, the Bitcoin market is moving like the statements he made about Bitcoin before the election. However, Donald Trump will do something good with Bitcoin this time, and we can see his direction. It is not important what China or neighbouring countries are doing; this time, the strategic aspects of Bitcoin that Trump has started inspire us, and we hope that something good will come from this. I'm still optimistic that since he will do something about it, we may see something good for Bitcoin from him. You have raised a nice point, Thank you fillippone.
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Trump confirmed that he's still interested in building the bitcoin strategic reserve. However, I'm still skeptical about it, until I see it in action. In general, though, everything looks extremely bullish. Very nice writeup, fillippone.
Looks like you are more interested in the implementation directly, but today is still a debate and speculation of the media (because Trump has not been appointed), although Trump said it was not necessarily agreed upon by many parties under his leadership because we knew that democracy in determining the interests of the country is definitely will be done, so it is very natural you will be skeptical about this. This plan should have been implemented with Trump's intention to make the US as the leader of this industry, so he must begin earlier by making Bitcoin as one of the reserve assets that must enter the state portfolio.
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Looks like you are more interested in the implementation directly Not at all. I'm not interested in how it will happen in practice. They're probably going to be buying around 500 bitcoin every day for as long as his presidency lasts. (That's what El Salvador did, and it's one simple tactic to avoid causing a supply shock multiple times.) I'm interested just to know if it will or it won't happen. A 'yes' or 'no'. It's too good to be true to have the enemy in our side that soon. Feels like it was too easy to have them admit defeat.
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The one thing that doesn't make sense to me, is announcing this. What is "this"? Their plan to set up a bitcoin strategic reserve? It needs to be made public so that it can build consensus, otherwise the act won't get enough votes. Good point. I guess that's not how it works when governments are making decisions. A private person or even companies could quietly buy a lot of Bitcoins, government can't really do that.
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El Salvador: In September 2021, El Salvador became the first country to adopt Bitcoin as a legal tender. Since then, the Government has accumulated approximately 5,940 bitcoins, valued at around $582 million as of November 2024. They perform both open market purchases (they are buying one bitcoin per day since) and mining operations.
Comparing what El Salvador has managed to accumulate from a period of 3 years till today will turn out to be approximately 3% of what the US government are applicable to gather in a whole year then multiply in four years. This will turn out to be the biggest Bitcoin purchase to be recorded, but i tend to find question concerning how much of an impact it will do on the price of Bitcoin following how and on what process will the relatively 200,000 Bitcoin be bought without altering the four year cycle, for such a big buy to happen in a year period then for another 3 consecutive years, totalled to four years in total? We cannot compare the financial strength of El Salvador to that of US. El Salvador is a country that does not have a stable economy and has low financial capability. Since they accepted Bitcoin as a legal tender nothing much has improved significantly in the value of their currency and purchasing power. My fear is that the US should not make Bitcoin a legal tender if not the reserves plus the legal tender would make the US citizens the highest adopters of Bitcoin. I don't want any direct control of Bitcoin coming from one country. Instead,, there should be a maximum limit to the quantity of Bitcoin that can be reserved by any county in the interval of one cycle. Apart from the US there are other countries that has enough money invest in the Bitcoin reserve which i do not want it to be competitive thing.
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December 15, 2024, 10:55:08 PM |
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Trump is really the best, this comment by Trump is very important and very positive for crypto. If the United States accepts crypto and fully supports crypto, it will give much more positive results not only in the economic field but also as well as cryptocurrency and bitcoin.
Best? If words stated is a major criteria in been considered best, then most politicians would be worshipped. Trump confirmed that he's still interested in building the bitcoin strategic reserve. However, I'm still skeptical about it, until I see it in action. In general, though, everything looks extremely bullish. Very nice writeup, fillippone.
Many are still skeptical as can be seen in the poll in Polymarket increasing to 35% from around 28%. This shows that many would really believe when it gets implemented. Once the US implement there could be chain reactions to other countries like Russian in wanting to accumulate. I guess we common folks have just now to start accumulating.
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December 15, 2024, 11:42:52 PM |
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Once the US implement there could be chain reactions to other countries like Russian in wanting to accumulate. I guess we common folks have just now to start accumulating.
The FOMO that a US SBR will trigger is beyond our comprehension. Many nations are now FOMOIng in the physical Gold race, so I bet little will change there for digital gold once the first triggers the start. El Salvador and Buthan already did, but they are too small to start the imitation game.
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El Salvador: In September 2021, El Salvador became the first country to adopt Bitcoin as a legal tender. Since then, the Government has accumulated approximately 5,940 bitcoins, valued at around $582 million as of November 2024. They perform both open market purchases (they are buying one bitcoin per day since) and mining operations.
Comparing what El Salvador has managed to accumulate from a period of 3 years till today will turn out to be approximately 3% of what the US government are applicable to gather in a whole year then multiply in four years. This will turn out to be the biggest Bitcoin purchase to be recorded, but i tend to find question concerning how much of an impact it will do on the price of Bitcoin following how and on what process will the relatively 200,000 Bitcoin be bought without altering the four year cycle, for such a big buy to happen in a year period then for another 3 consecutive years, totalled to four years in total? We cannot compare the financial strength of El Salvador to that of US. El Salvador is a country that does not have a stable economy and has low financial capability. Since they accepted Bitcoin as a legal tender nothing much has improved significantly in the value of their currency and purchasing power. My fear is that the US should not make Bitcoin a legal tender if not the reserves plus the legal tender would make the US citizens the highest adopters of Bitcoin. I don't want any direct control of Bitcoin coming from one country. Instead,, there should be a maximum limit to the quantity of Bitcoin that can be reserved by any county in the interval of one cycle. Apart from the US there are other countries that has enough money invest in the Bitcoin reserve which i do not want it to be competitive thing. With a pro Bitcoiner as president elect there's chances of making Bitcoin a legal tender in the states but then the USD is still valid and i feel his administration would explore the potential of Bitcoin to backup the USD. However i think it’s becoming a competition if im to judge with Trumps speech, cause he was like others are buying it but they (the U.S ) want to be the best and what i think is that once they start buying aggressively for reserve other top nations would follow suit no one would want to be left out and that alone would cause more hike in the price of Bitcoin, we might even see the price rise more further than expected. Well, even though they make Bitcoin a legal tender in the states, there's no doubt that it would have the highest number of people holding Bitcoin but then it doesn't mean they have controlled over Bitcoin, Satoshi was wise enough to make it decentralised so shall it continue to be.
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Looks like you are more interested in the implementation directly Not at all. I'm not interested in how it will happen in practice. They're probably going to be buying around 500 bitcoin every day for as long as his presidency lasts. (That's what El Salvador did, and it's one simple tactic to avoid causing a supply shock multiple times.) I'm interested just to know if it will or it won't happen. A 'yes' or 'no'. It's too good to be true to have the enemy in our side that soon. Feels like it was too easy to have them admit defeat. Navigating your mind about this does look like that, where not a little old money in America says Bitcoin Scam, Bitcoin will die and curse to be zero, indeed not a few Sotck Market practitioners who tighten such things, so I'm not surprised to see your views on this matter. Until now regarding the policy is still being debated and has not been agreed upon, seeing the act of rejection carried out by several Microsoft holders in submitting Bitcoin as one of his investment assets shows that things in your mind are still possible for the rejection on US goverment. But I hope Trump will be able to carry out good political maneuvers to help him support this plan.
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there should be a maximum limit to the quantity of Bitcoin that can be reserved by any county in the interval of one cycle. Lol. What you're asking for is like hard-coding KYC in the Bitcoin protocol. Let's not do that. If anyone wants to try to buy all Bitcoins: let them. That's the beauty of a free market. ~old money in America says Bitcoin Scam, Bitcoin will die and curse to be zero~ This reminds me:  (I'm not sure who the original source is, there's a source in the image but I found it here)
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