School or Skills?

[Jody.Drummer]

The problem is too many people go to college & do a useless degree that doesn’t lead to a firm career path. If you go to college to study medicine, architecture etc that’s great. There are too many BS courses that don’t lead to a career though so those people get out of college in debt & aren’t any more likely to get a good job than somebody who left school at 16 & worked from the bottom in a certain job. What they teach in schools is antiquated too. There needs to be real world things taught in schools like trades, bricklaying, plumbing etc, nursing, things that lead straight into a specific, expert job field.

I think it depends on where we live when talking about schools that can direct their students to their talents. In my country, it is still far from that, even the curriculum is still chaotic. I don't know about other countries, but from what I have heard and read, they are still better. In my opinion, the education system must also adjust to the interests and talents of its students, so that it can help them more. Also, parents should not pressure their children to be what they want, because from some of what I have heard, they are forced because of their parents' wishes so that they are not so optimal.

[Stalker22]

Yes, if you do not have a good educational background, you cannot get important posts in the company. Some company owners are seen to have no academic qualifications, yet they have become the owners of a lot of money and are currently running big businesses.

This is true but in some parts of the world, many companies are not like this. The best companies today are looking for the best employees whatever is the educational background as long as they're skilled and they can deliver, that's what they're hiring. I think google has this qualification but recently, it's reported that they have been laying off a lot of employees.
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That might be true with some employers, but how will companies know if you are a skilled employee if this will be your first job?  Sure, they say they value skills over degrees, but how do you demonstrate those skills without some kind of formal validation?  Its a bit of a catch-22, isnt it? You need experience to get hired, but you need to be hired to get experience.

The truth is, most companies, even the "progressive" ones, still rely on something to filter candidates. It might not be a degree from a fancy university, but its often some combination of prior experience, certifications, or even just a well-crafted portfolio of relevant projects.

[GeorgeJohn]

They're not falling the educational system but the problem is that we need to understand that companies need people who is more skillful more than people who hold certificate, people manipulate in order to obtain certificates without knowing the preamble of what they study in school, but people goes through skill acquisition can practicalized it and function perfectly than someone who obtain it through education, that's why some employers do prefer practical professionals than theoretical professionals.

[Alone055]

They're not falling the educational system but the problem is that we need to understand that companies need people who is more skillful more than people who hold certificate, people manipulate in order to obtain certificates without knowing the preamble of what they study in school, but people goes through skill acquisition can practicalized it and function perfectly than someone who obtain it through education, that's why some employers do prefer practical professionals than theoretical professionals.

That's how it should be everywhere in the world. I believe it's an injustice with people who actually know their craft to get no job or work because there are people who have degrees in those subjects even when they don't understand much about how things are done. In some parts of the world, you can even buy a degree if you have connections and money. We know money is power, but if employers start asking for practical tests during interviews instead of just checking degrees and level of education, such corruptions would be useless, and those buying degrees or getting through it only so that they can secure better jobs would have to actually learn about the field they are into.

I also wonder what companies can get from employees who only have degrees and higher education but no practical experience or skills that they can put to work. If I have a company, I wouldn't even ask people if they have a degree or not, if they know how the work is done, they are getting hired, and there is no shame in that as long as we are getting the work done. Of course, some pre-requisites are essential to have such as communication skills, management skills, etc.

[katanic97]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Education is always valued more than anything else. Skills are acquired over time, and everyone has their own starting point to go through. Every employer would prefer their employee to have both education and skills.
The education system must include both theoretical and practical aspects, allowing individuals to gain experience while also earning a degree and developing skills.

If I were an employer, i would prioritize skills because they would contribute to the company's revenue more quickly. However, i also believe that learning is a lifelong process, and alongside those skills, a person can pursue education, achieve success, and earn a degree.

[eightdots]

They're not falling the educational system but the problem is that we need to understand that companies need people who is more skillful more than people who hold certificate, people manipulate in order to obtain certificates without knowing the preamble of what they study in school, but people goes through skill acquisition can practicalized it and function perfectly than someone who obtain it through education, that's why some employers do prefer practical professionals than theoretical professionals.

Theory can take a person to a certain point, but practice is what will make a person more successful. Anyone can learn theory, but improving oneself in practice and reaching a good level is not something everyone can do. In the education system, more qualified students are trained by prioritizing practice in some departments.

It takes a certain amount of time for someone with good theoretical knowledge to complete their development in practice, and those who know and can do both of these at a good level also reach a good level in their work.

[Unknown Op]

Education is different and it should be done carefully by everyone. If there is education but the required skills are not there, then a separate course can be taken later to acquire specific skills, but once the required time is gone from life, that time will not come back and if the educational qualification cannot be acquired at a certain time, then the qualification can never be acquired later.  So I think education should be given the most importance.

The key word "time" and "giving up" summarizes the point you've made on skill and education, both of which requires dedication and consistency. Nobody gets done with the both, learning is the bottom line. Every skill consists of education and research to advance and be the best in the world. So, every skilled person must be acquainted with studying at all times, it mustn't be about school or certificate, it's all about defending what you know. In a nutshell, it's unfair to be an uneducated business man, what would investors think of the project or scheme in deal time.

Education has its own importance and skills have their own importance. Nobody can do anything with knowledge of respective fields for which they want to spend most of their time . Most of the persons want to be knowledgeable person and female are majority of degree holder. But I will not say that degrees are useless because there many degrees which are giving high income to the holders but you have to learn more and have to invest more money on profitable degrees. After getting education, skills are next step.In daily life , skills are necessary because without skills we will not be successful either it is driving or any other practical field. More learn ,more earn .

[JeffBrad12]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

college degree is like increasing your odd of success by making you look more trustworthy, even more so if you graduated from ivy league, but can't deny that after that process skills plays a big role.
if the job is more of technicality where it requires you to have exceptional skill to solve problem and possibly extensive experience then skill come first, I've seen plenty of job more specifically in IT field where they prioritizes past portfolio and experience, but if we're talking about job that's more of negotiation and human relation, I guess education might help since it's all about networking and less of technical things.

basically it depends what you prioritize the most.

[Swordsoffreedom]

The problem is too many people go to college & do a useless degree that doesn’t lead to a firm career path. If you go to college to study medicine, architecture etc that’s great. There are too many BS courses that don’t lead to a career though so those people get out of college in debt & aren’t any more likely to get a good job than somebody who left school at 16 & worked from the bottom in a certain job. What they teach in schools is antiquated too. There needs to be real world things taught in schools like trades, bricklaying, plumbing etc, nursing, things that lead straight into a specific, expert job field.

You should blame the government not education, and these things happen mostly in 3rd world countries. The government is responsible for this for failing to provide  education that meets national or  international standards and for failing to create jobs for its graduates. In addition, the fault also comes from the students themselves when they have the illusion that having a university degree means  they deserve to have high-paying jobs. They complain about low paying jobs but they don't know that everything has to start from the bottom up.

[batang_bitcoin]

Yes, if you do not have a good educational background, you cannot get important posts in the company. Some company owners are seen to have no academic qualifications, yet they have become the owners of a lot of money and are currently running big businesses.

This is true but in some parts of the world, many companies are not like this. The best companies today are looking for the best employees whatever is the educational background as long as they're skilled and they can deliver, that's what they're hiring. I think google has this qualification but recently, it's reported that they have been laying off a lot of employees.
~

That might be true with some employers, but how will companies know if you are a skilled employee if this will be your first job?  Sure, they say they value skills over degrees, but how do you demonstrate those skills without some kind of formal validation?  Its a bit of a catch-22, isnt it? You need experience to get hired, but you need to be hired to get experience.

The truth is, most companies, even the "progressive" ones, still rely on something to filter candidates. It might not be a degree from a fancy university, but its often some combination of prior experience, certifications, or even just a well-crafted portfolio of relevant projects.

Of course they're looking for the best with the experience. And that's how they value skills, they can do a background checking for their applicants or let alone do some sort of task to prove that they're skilled. I'm not from hiring department but that kind of thing will validate that an applicant is worthy for its position and they have basis of that in providence of being hired. The portfolio thing, it's one of the easiest way for them to look after and filter their candidates.

[2Pizza410000BTC]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

In my country, both aspects of a person are considered for a job. Especially when we apply for a job, we have to mention both our skills and educational qualifications in our application form. Now my question is if we do not receive enough education and are not qualified to submit the application then I will never be able to fill the application form there with my skills. To fill my application form, I definitely need my educational qualifications first and then my skills. But if I am an employer, I will definitely give priority to the educational qualifications first and then I will evaluate the skills because an educated person will definitely become skilled if he/she is well looked after.

[fuguebtc]

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I agree with you, only those who have the highest educational qualifications and degrees are hired for high-level positions in a company. Because a company always wants its company to go far, and for this, that company definitely needs highly educated employees.
In that case, they will not see what is inside you, they will see how many degrees and certificates you have, before your actual experience, they need your degrees and certificates as proof of your education.
In reality, no matter how much your qualifications and experience are, if you do not have degrees and certificates, you have no value to them. But this is only in the case of high-level jobs in a company.
You become an entrepreneur, do business, people can be most successful by doing business.

A real-life example: look at the staff of the world's top corporations, how many people without a degree can work there and reach senior leadership positions? It can be seen that the role of a degree in our career is extremely important, we should not deny its role just because of a few cases of unemployment after graduation .

Moreover, learning a skill is not too difficult, as long as we are willing to study and research, we will be able to do it. It is even easier for those who already have theoretical knowledge, acquiring a skill has never been difficult . Meanwhile, how many people can confidently say that they will be able to get into prestigious universities and get a degree there ?

I do not deny the importance of skills but for me, if we want to go far in my career ,  education and qualifications are the most important and minimum.

[Pi-network314159]

First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system?

It may not necessarily be because of a failing educational system but could be the act of laziness or not having plans ahead of the future. There are lots of people who learn skill to backup their education or for alternative purpose which either education will favour them or business or skill will favour them as one source of lively hood may not be enough this time around. But some are not insightful to predict the future and learn a skill until they discovered that what they didn't learn is affecting them.

My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Of course I will preferably chose the person with the two skill altogether. Because it will increase the productivity of my company.

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My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

If I were an employer, I would prefer people who have skills compared to those who have higher education. Because in fact, many bachelors or masters now do not have adequate skills that can be used directly in the workplace, and this makes them need to be re-taught what they want to do. While people who have skills, you can use their knowledge and experience to be able to do the job faster and make the efficiency and effectiveness of the job better. However, I assume this if I were an employee in a developed country, while in developing countries, usually your high education will be an added value for you compared to your skills.

[Y3shot]

A certification will get you the job but your skillset will help you maintain the job. Many employers may be looking for a certain skill or skills but they definitely won't employ someone without any educational background. It's normal knowledge that many persons attend schools for the sake of just attending and certain time they just read for the sole purpose of passing the courses and not failing and having to repeat such courses. But in all education is paramount and very important. An illiterate will always expose himself with certain gestures but someone that's exposed will definitely not have the same etiquette or even behaviour of an illiterate.  So in all acquire both the educational certification and skills.

[RockBell]

A certification will get you the job but your skillset will help you maintain the job. Many employers may be looking for a certain skill or skills but they definitely won't employ someone without any educational background. It's normal knowledge that many persons attend schools for the sake of just attending and certain time they just read for the sole purpose of passing the courses and not failing and having to repeat such courses. But in all education is paramount and very important. An illiterate will always expose himself with certain gestures but someone that's exposed will definitely not have the same etiquette or even behaviour of an illiterate.  So in all acquire both the educational certification and skills.

They are both different things but they are for the same purpose, which is to make money, but when it comes certification will grant you jobs but but when it comes to skill you will be the one dishing out supply and people will pay for your service, and the both of them are actually good but with were we are finding our self currently i think it is better to have both a job and a skill.

I know its actually not easy but when it comes to work you must ask extra hustle because the economy is tougher than what we think. Things are more expensive.
And even when have a job we just have to still look for other ways to make money we have to prepare our self, because when you know how to handle financial problems then you have less problems because without it money you can not do anything. And this shows that money is very important. You have to consider a lot of way to make more money to solve more of your problems.

[GeorgeJohn]

They're not falling the educational system but the problem is that we need to understand that companies need people who is more skillful more than people who hold certificate, people manipulate in order to obtain certificates without knowing the preamble of what they study in school, but people goes through skill acquisition can practicalized it and function perfectly than someone who obtain it through education, that's why some employers do prefer practical professionals than theoretical professionals.

Theory can take a person to a certain point, but practice is what will make a person more successful. Anyone can learn theory, but improving oneself in practice and reaching a good level is not something everyone can do. In the education system, more qualified students are trained by prioritizing practice in some departments.

It takes a certain amount of time for someone with good theoretical knowledge to complete their development in practice, and those who know and can do both of these at a good level also reach a good level in their work.

employees currently do accept skill people more than certificate people, because they know that skills people are more hardworking than people who have certificate, for me I don't think that absorbing some who did practical in any job is not important in any kind of job, that's why I said that people can obtain certificate illegally without passing to the due process and sometimes too, when you check or look presently you notice that people who have a skill secure more employment opportunities than people who has a certificate. Is not that I'm condemning certificate, but you to know or defend what you read in school to obtain certificate through practical.

[ITExpert]

A certification will get you the job but your skillset will help you maintain the job. Many employers may be looking for a certain skill or skills but they definitely won't employ someone without any educational background. It's normal knowledge that many persons attend schools for the sake of just attending and certain time they just read for the sole purpose of passing the courses and not failing and having to repeat such courses. But in all education is paramount and very important. An illiterate will always expose himself with certain gestures but someone that's exposed will definitely not have the same etiquette or even behaviour of an illiterate.  So in all acquire both the educational certification and skills.

I think Certification and skillset play an important role in character building, career development, future proof career and create an impact on others. Certification is not just pieces of papers  but they are powerful tools to enhance your personal and professional growth. Certification provide you confidence and trust about your field and many opportunities. A skillset is the most important part of our professional life. A skillset makes you stand out in a competitive job market and promotions. When you own a skillset your mind is creative and your efficiency and productivity is on peak. You can't be jobless if you have a skillset. If we have skills in different fields, we are versatile and easily handle any task. Investing time for a skillset is an investment for our secured future. So, Certification provide us employment and skillset make us to grow and be consistent in our field.

[Negotiation]

They're not falling the educational system but the problem is that we need to understand that companies need people who is more skillful more than people who hold certificate, people manipulate in order to obtain certificates without knowing the preamble of what they study in school, but people goes through skill acquisition can practicalized it and function perfectly than someone who obtain it through education, that's why some employers do prefer practical professionals than theoretical professionals.

Theory can take a person to a certain point, but practice is what will make a person more successful. Anyone can learn theory, but improving oneself in practice and reaching a good level is not something everyone can do. In the education system, more qualified students are trained by prioritizing practice in some departments.

It takes a certain amount of time for someone with good theoretical knowledge to complete their development in practice, and those who know and can do both of these at a good level also reach a good level in their work.

Those who can combine theoretical knowledge with practical experience are able to learn from their mistakes and adopt new strategies. They know how to properly connect theoretical concepts with real situations and learn how to improve further. Being proficient in both theoretical knowledge and practice they are able to reach the best level in their field. These two elements work together and improve the quality of their performance which makes them effective creative and fluent in decision making. The right combination of these two elements is very important for improvement.

[woez]

The most interesting question I've ever read. It seems simple but this is the reality. The world of education is categorized as Human Investment. The world of education is only used as a large pool for them to bathe and have fun with education costs that almost never go down, if you want to compare the cost graph for education from year to year it is quite capable of beating the BTC graph which at any time there is a correction or price decrease.

For job opportunities, of course there are many choices, whether to choose government work or in a private company, it's just that
When they apply to a prestigious company with a high salary, of course there are requirements that they may not have and were never taught when they were in college. This will be the main obstacle to getting to that point. On the other hand, when they are unemployed, they will always be included in the discussion of the calendar of one of the ECONOMIC INDICATORS in a country.