School or Skills?

[jvanname]

All of you motherfuckers are talking about education, but you are too fucking uneducated to realize that Bitcoin does not even have a mining algorithm that is designed to advance science. This just shows you that your universities have not taught you anything because universities are a fucking scam.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[Mahanton]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Both of us need to have these two activities in ourselves. Because if you are applicable to the job field, then you need to have two things, degree and diploma. Your educational qualification will be considered for employment in a position. When you are accessed by looking at your documents, after that your qualities and skills will be considered. How far you are ahead in terms of skills is considered as a job by the employer. In other words, we need both school and skills.

You are right both of them are important, I think going to school in this generation is now like a back up plan, you do with the hopes that when something comes up you can have a degree to present..one thing that's inevitable is that no matter how skillful a person is without a certificate backing you up the man with low quality skills compared to yours might have the upper hand in terms of getting some jobs..this is why when most people get a job based on the skill they have they still need obtain a degree so that they can get higher position and offer.. education can facilitate the results of your skills.

In the country where I live there is a saying "without a certificate or a diploma you cannot be called a civilized person". I translated it only approximately, but I think you understood the essence of it. And I want to say that I agree with this statement, because a person without education is useless for the state in the mechanism of work relations. He will not be recognized at the interview, he will not be promoted even if he is an excellent specialist. Also, if at the official job where he somehow miraculously gets a job, he will be the first to be laid off. It is sad, but these are the facts.

I think it is better not to associate success with certificates or jobs, they may not complement each other. If a person earns a degree through education but knows very little about the work at hand and his skills are not that sharp, he will not be successful in the workplace. And if someone has good skills, he can earn a living through various types of work even beyond his academic qualifications.
Both school and skills are important, but if we do percentages, then skills are more important than school.

You cant be able to generalize. Why? Lets say that you have recently graduated and looking up for a job, of course its normal that you would be totally a noob or having no skills since you have just that graduated and lets say you do have zero skills, then how you would be able to learn up if you wont be finding yourself a job? There would be those companies that accepts fresh newbies graduates around on which they do understand that it do lack skills but on the moment that they've been taught then they do just normally adjust and made out those skills be enhanced overtime. When it comes or talks about employers that seeks out workers then it will be that depending into them on which one they would be that choosing on whether they would be focusing into those who do have educational attainment or they will be focusing out into skills. It will be that not common that both aspects are available on which they will be needing up to choose one. In speaking about personal approach then you do know on what you are lacking but since you are just that starting then you will be doing your best on seeking for a job that would be getting in line with your course then you do enhance it out but there are instances that there are situations that you dont have any choice but to deal up with works or jobs that it is outside of your knowledge. We do know that unemployment is a serious problem in each country on which even if you are graduated on a good course but if the jobs demand is low or not available or having that tons of competition, then you cant still that assure yourself that you will be landed out into a specific job and thats why this will be that situational.

[_BlackStar]

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Come on men, we aren’t discussing on either sides to this being hungry or not being able to get essential needs (food, clothing and shelter) to living.

Yes - I see your point, not trying to lead opinion. 

Besides, classroom educations is usually expensive so, not everyone is going to go there. Not everyone have got what it takes to attain a formal education and that’s why we’ve got the informal. We’ve got systems and structures designed to reduce the cost of education.

Formal education and the informal education are both a vital aspect to our social structure. If you can’t get one, then you get the other rather than looking at one of them to be completely unnecessary or irrelevant. Mind you, educational curriculums aren’t just theories, a good number of them is designed to let you out for some practicals you know. Going through school, you get to do that, at least in my country. You get a year for industrial experience and you have your hands doing work in the labs.

I admit that not everyone has the financial ability to pursue formal education - but everyone has an equal opportunity to learn. In the job market - formal education is a mandatory requirement in the average job vacancy, but not all companies and businesses require it. Both are certainly important - but the world of work has started to change so far, where there are many job vacancies that require someone who is more skilled ^{[minimum educational basis]} than those who hold a high bachelor's degree.

Getting someone who has a combination of both ^{[skills & formal education]} is a nice bonus for employers - but it's rare. Even in this digital age - I think many cases find that people who have technical skills and good adaptability to technology are much more needed than an employee with a degree. It does - sound unfair, but that's how the times develop.

[jvanname]

Formal education and the informal education are both a vital aspect to our social structure. If you can’t get one, then you get the other rather than looking at one of them to be completely unnecessary or irrelevant. Mind you, educational curriculums aren’t just theories, a good number of them is designed to let you out for some practicals you know. Going through school, you get to do that, at least in my country. You get a year for industrial experience and you have your hands doing work in the labs.

I admit that not everyone has the financial ability to pursue formal education - but everyone has an equal opportunity to learn. In the job market - formal education is a mandatory requirement in the average job vacancy, but not all companies and businesses require it. Both are certainly important - but the world of work has started to change so far, where there are many job vacancies that require someone who is more skilled ^{[minimum educational basis]} than those who hold a high bachelor's degree.

Getting someone who has a combination of both ^{[skills & formal education]} is a nice bonus for employers - but it's rare. Even in this digital age - I think many cases find that people who have technical skills and good adaptability to technology are much more needed than an employee with a degree. It does - sound unfair, but that's how the times develop.
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With formal education, the coursework is easy. But it is artificially made difficult by the amount of money that they ask for along with all the bullshit you have to deal with from all the other fuckers at the university. That makes is MUCH more difficult. Hmm. An expensive degree that requires very little from students. What was that? Yea. It is a scam. I know. I was a professor. If the people here were truly educated, they would know that Bitcoin does not even have a mining algorithm that is designed to advance science.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[Bluedrem]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Both of us need to have these two activities in ourselves. Because if you are applicable to the job field, then you need to have two things, degree and diploma. Your educational qualification will be considered for employment in a position. When you are accessed by looking at your documents, after that your qualities and skills will be considered. How far you are ahead in terms of skills is considered as a job by the employer. In other words, we need both school and skills.

You are right both of them are important, I think going to school in this generation is now like a back up plan, you do with the hopes that when something comes up you can have a degree to present..one thing that's inevitable is that no matter how skillful a person is without a certificate backing you up the man with low quality skills compared to yours might have the upper hand in terms of getting some jobs..this is why when most people get a job based on the skill they have they still need obtain a degree so that they can get higher position and offer.. education can facilitate the results of your skills.

In the country where I live there is a saying "without a certificate or a diploma you cannot be called a civilized person". I translated it only approximately, but I think you understood the essence of it. And I want to say that I agree with this statement, because a person without education is useless for the state in the mechanism of work relations. He will not be recognized at the interview, he will not be promoted even if he is an excellent specialist. Also, if at the official job where he somehow miraculously gets a job, he will be the first to be laid off. It is sad, but these are the facts.

I think it is better not to associate success with certificates or jobs, they may not complement each other. If a person earns a degree through education but knows very little about the work at hand and his skills are not that sharp, he will not be successful in the workplace. And if someone has good skills, he can earn a living through various types of work even beyond his academic qualifications.
Both school and skills are important, but if we do percentages, then skills are more important than school.

You cant be able to generalize. Why? Lets say that you have recently graduated and looking up for a job, of course its normal that you would be totally a noob or having no skills since you have just that graduated and lets say you do have zero skills, then how you would be able to learn up if you wont be finding yourself a job? There would be those companies that accepts fresh newbies graduates around on which they do understand that it do lack skills but on the moment that they've been taught then they do just normally adjust and made out those skills be enhanced overtime. When it comes or talks about employers that seeks out workers then it will be that depending into them on which one they would be that choosing on whether they would be focusing into those who do have educational attainment or they will be focusing out into skills. It will be that not common that both aspects are available on which they will be needing up to choose one. In speaking about personal approach then you do know on what you are lacking but since you are just that starting then you will be doing your best on seeking for a job that would be getting in line with your course then you do enhance it out but there are instances that there are situations that you dont have any choice but to deal up with works or jobs that it is outside of your knowledge. We do know that unemployment is a serious problem in each country on which even if you are graduated on a good course but if the jobs demand is low or not available or having that tons of competition, then you cant still that assure yourself that you will be landed out into a specific job and thats why this will be that situational.

Institutes should develop a person by providing technical education along with general education so that he does not have to face the questions you mentioned in the job field.
If for some reason he does not get a job, technical education will help him to be successful later.
If you look at a country like China, you can understand the importance of technical education.

[Stella Mese]

Institutes should develop a person by providing technical education along with general education so that he does not have to face the questions you mentioned in the job field.
If for some reason he does not get a job, technical education will help him to be successful later.
If you look at a country like China, you can understand the importance of technical education.

that's right and China is one of the countries that implements this system, indeed technical education can bring success in terms of work, but that's the way it is used to always be studied in order to get the desired work because in learning it focuses on one work so that it will be mastered quickly and that's one of them, different from general education which studies a lot of material so it is slow to master it quickly.

[liuka]

Institutes should develop a person by providing technical education along with general education so that he does not have to face the questions you mentioned in the job field.
If for some reason he does not get a job, technical education will help him to be successful later.
If you look at a country like China, you can understand the importance of technical education.

that's right and China is one of the countries that implements this system, indeed technical education can bring success in terms of work, but that's the way it is used to always be studied in order to get the desired work because in learning it focuses on one work so that it will be mastered quickly and that's one of them, different from general education which studies a lot of material so it is slow to master it quickly.

But we also have to be able to see how the system can implement all of that, because in developing countries, let alone talking about technical matters, when talking about lighter matters, developing countries usually have many problems.

And also how long did it take them to build this, because what I know is that they struggled even from being considered unable to do anything, but we can see that they are now one of the biggest competitors even in the trade market. Well, back to the brain that we can say is a high-ranking official in a country, and of course the ranks within it.

[Cpt_reader]

"School and skills" are both necessary for life. How can we have skills if we don't go to school? But our schools need to be skill-rich. Which can be achieved to bring success in life. Realistic education is needed. You can look at the Chinese and see that they acquire education in a way that brings success in life. They are very advanced technologically through their technical education system. We should not just run towards certificates, the main goal or objective should be to acquire skills. Again, there is no guarantee that the skills that will be acquired by going to school will be achieved. Looking at famous scholars, we can see that many have succeeded in life without going to school or with little education. Abraham Lincoln said that experience is the best teacher.

[rachael9385]

But if you really have to choose, then taking skills is the best choice because there you can survive with a long time compared to school but do not have any skills.

See, man, people need to identify their goal on time. Life is full of choices, that's true but one question you have to determine the answer on time is that, what do you want in life and how can you get it? If formal education is not a priority for you at the time and maybe it's skill that will give you your goals, then go for it first. It's not bad to be an academia, not bad to be a professional skilled person in any occupation, but ask yourself what you really want. I had the desire for formal education but not at the time I started it, I wanted to go into business earlier enough but my parents said, "formal education first" Above all, my happiness is that finally archived the degree and also my business running. Formal education and skill has its importants too but really depends on what the individuals want.

You are absolutely right about this, having a focus and direction would help you navigate your life easily. Most people don't know what they want and that's a problem. There are people that don't have a reason for chasing the degree they are going for, they are just following the crowd not minding if it synchronizes with their plans and targets. if going to school isn't going to give you the results you need then it can be left out first, this doesn't mean you won't acquire education but going for what would make you financially stable is more important

[welovebit]

You are absolutely right about this, having a focus and direction would help you navigate your life easily. Most people don't know what they want and that's a problem. There are people that don't have a reason for chasing the degree they are going for, they are just following the crowd not minding if it synchronizes with their plans and targets. if going to school isn't going to give you the results you need then it can be left out first, this doesn't mean you won't acquire education but going for what would make you financially stable is more important

I completely agreed with your views about this because in country where I am living things are going same like these peoples are having degrees, but they never know what to do and how to use this knowledge they are living without motivation useless things are happening around them.

Education with better knowledge and skills always pay off but officials or authorities needs to have something encouraging about this sadly now as world is entering into AI era many are still not aware about many things which are going to have brought changes structure needed to be changed financial improvement is always important, but this needs good motivation and skills which are not here around us millions are living but no hope and no improvement around them.

[CageMabok]

that's right and China is one of the countries that implements this system, indeed technical education can bring success in terms of work, but that's the way it is used to always be studied in order to get the desired work because in learning it focuses on one work so that it will be mastered quickly and that's one of them, different from general education which studies a lot of material so it is slow to master it quickly.

Special education with general education is clearly different, especially in terms of how fast or slow each student is in absorbing what they are learning so that special education is usually done only to hone skills to be more mature without being mixed with other things. While general education is usually only to increase knowledge in more directions so that it will be difficult to master one of the many that have been studied by the students themselves.

[Zadicar]

But if you really have to choose, then taking skills is the best choice because there you can survive with a long time compared to school but do not have any skills.

See, man, people need to identify their goal on time. Life is full of choices, that's true but one question you have to determine the answer on time is that, what do you want in life and how can you get it? If formal education is not a priority for you at the time and maybe it's skill that will give you your goals, then go for it first. It's not bad to be an academia, not bad to be a professional skilled person in any occupation, but ask yourself what you really want. I had the desire for formal education but not at the time I started it, I wanted to go into business earlier enough but my parents said, "formal education first" Above all, my happiness is that finally archived the degree and also my business running. Formal education and skill has its importants too but really depends on what the individuals want.

You are absolutely right about this, having a focus and direction would help you navigate your life easily. Most people don't know what they want and that's a problem. There are people that don't have a reason for chasing the degree they are going for, they are just following the crowd not minding if it synchronizes with their plans and targets. if going to school isn't going to give you the results you need then it can be left out first, this doesn't mean you won't acquire education but going for what would make you financially stable is more important

If you are someone who doesnt have a goal in life or doesnt have the idea on what you do really want in life, then you would be doing actions on which having no direction on which this isnt that a good thing.

You wont be putting up some importance on whatever you do or doesnt mind off about into the possible outcomes or results just because you dont really care at all. Life isnt easy and it will be that full of challenges ahead and you might that be having realizations at the time that its already too late. For the question about school or skills for an employers perspective then it will be that up to you on which one you would gonna choose on which to those who do have skills and to those who do have that degree. It will be that up to you on whom you gonna choose.

In todays standards on which having a degree will be always having the advantage and thats why most of us will be that trying out to thrive on finishing school to get a day job
but of course not all will be that lucky be landed up a job after graduation and thats why unemployment rate isnt something that do goes down easily.

[qurbanshah02]

that's right and China is one of the countries that implements this system, indeed technical education can bring success in terms of work, but that's the way it is used to always be studied in order to get the desired work because in learning it focuses on one work so that it will be mastered quickly and that's one of them, different from general education which studies a lot of material so it is slow to master it quickly.

Special education with general education is clearly different, especially in terms of how fast or slow each student is in absorbing what they are learning so that special education is usually done only to hone skills to be more mature without being mixed with other things. While general education is usually only to increase knowledge in more directions so that it will be difficult to master one of the many that have been studied by the students themselves.

Education is education of course, whether it is general or special, but it only benefits you, it does not harm you, and the knowledge you gain from it makes you very successful or very unsuccessful. It depends on the mind and interest of the child, how much he is interested in learning, whether he is studying from the heart, for the desire of his parents. Our thinking is different, if he thinks the opposite, he will be called a fool, so let's stop this here, it can also lead to a big debate. The education that is in school is not a knowledge, but it makes us grow up, and when we become adults, then we gain knowledge from our life, and that is our real education.

[Obim34]

But if you really have to choose, then taking skills is the best choice because there you can survive with a long time compared to school but do not have any skills.

See, man, people need to identify their goal on time. Life is full of choices, that's true but one question you have to determine the answer on time is that, what do you want in life and how can you get it? If formal education is not a priority for you at the time and maybe it's skill that will give you your goals, then go for it first. It's not bad to be an academia, not bad to be a professional skilled person in any occupation, but ask yourself what you really want. I had the desire for formal education but not at the time I started it, I wanted to go into business earlier enough but my parents said, "formal education first" Above all, my happiness is that finally archived the degree and also my business running. Formal education and skill has its importants too but really depends on what the individuals want.

You are absolutely right about this, having a focus and direction would help you navigate your life easily. Most people don't know what they want and that's a problem. There are people that don't have a reason for chasing the degree they are going for, they are just following the crowd not minding if it synchronizes with their plans and targets. if going to school isn't going to give you the results you need then it can be left out first, this doesn't mean you won't acquire education but going for what would make you financially stable is more important

Education is now flexible in how you want to get schooled. Choose what you want for yourself but do not quit school. Navigating towards that direction neglecting education is not as reasonable as merging both education and personal choice into one. See the young footballers playing still find education useful, let's not pick one aside when both can be done simultaneously.

[Antotena]

All of you motherfuckers are talking about education, but you are too fucking uneducated to realize that Bitcoin does not even have a mining algorithm that is designed to advance science. This just shows you that your universities have not taught you anything because universities are a fucking scam.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

From your statement, you really thought you ate isn't? You really thought you have made a very vocal statement but you just spew $hit. You think everyone in this forum is a mathematical or programming guru? If you check the people that has made this reply, more than half of them studied nothing of such that will make them understand mining algorithm but they understand the economical and other aspect of Bitcoin than even a developer will understand.

There is more to Bitcoin than one should to understand than the half bake reply you just posted. Whether you accept it or not, just know for sure that education is one of the oldest and modern way of keeping knowledge and and transferring to others, you need education even though you need along side, there is nothing bad if you have the both but depending on just one is not the best thing in 21 century, things can get ugly on any of the side.

[jvanname]

From your statement, you really thought you ate isn't? You really thought you have made a very vocal statement but you just spew $hit. You think everyone in this forum is a mathematical or programming guru? If you check the people that has made this reply, more than half of them studied nothing of such that will make them understand mining algorithm but they understand the economical and other aspect of Bitcoin than even a developer will understand.

There is more to Bitcoin than one should to understand than the half bake reply you just posted. Whether you accept it or not, just know for sure that education is one of the oldest and modern way of keeping knowledge and and transferring to others, you need education even though you need along side, there is nothing bad if you have the both but depending on just one is not the best thing in 21 century, things can get ugly on any of the side.

If you are not intelligent enough to understand anything that I am saying, then you are a fucking moron and your education is garbage. In fact, you are not even intelligent enough to form coherent understandable sentences. You are a moron.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[Juse14]

Institutes should develop a person by providing technical education along with general education so that he does not have to face the questions you mentioned in the job field.
If for some reason he does not get a job, technical education will help him to be successful later.
If you look at a country like China, you can understand the importance of technical education.

that's right and China is one of the countries that implements this system, indeed technical education can bring success in terms of work, but that's the way it is used to always be studied in order to get the desired work because in learning it focuses on one work so that it will be mastered quickly and that's one of them, different from general education which studies a lot of material so it is slow to master it quickly.

China is one of the countries that prioritizes education, because they view education as a fundamental aspect to advance the nation. This Bamboo Curtain country has not only succeeded in building a strong education system, but has also succeeded in instilling the importance of education in the culture of its people. Prestige in China is not measured by what someone wears or where they live, but by where they study, especially at university.

In addition, China pays great attention to the development of its education curriculum. They continue to adjust the education system to the needs of the times, so that educational institutions there are able to produce superior graduates in various sectors, from science, technology, economics, to culture. It is not surprising that with this strong educational foundation, China has now developed into a developed country and transformed into one of the largest economic powers in the world.

Returning to the initial discussion about "School or Skills," in some countries, perhaps including the country where I live, education has not been a priority. Poor education system, with an underdeveloped curriculum and no attention to real-world needs. As a result, many graduates are unable to compete and have minimal skills.

If you live in a country with a weak education system, then in addition to staying in school, you must also actively seek and develop new skills outside of school. Honing your skills independently is the key to building a better future, because in today's era, real skills are often more valued than just a diploma.

[Oluwa-btc]

Both are equally important imo. A college degree is important because you can create a good network there. You’ll meet smart people there and learn lots of stuff from them which you can’t find on the internet.

Your skills is the real money maker that’s true but if you have a solid network of friends you’ll get many more job/business opportunities. You can’t reach everyone via internet.

Being a hackerrank/leetcode nerd isn’t always the most optimal path.

In the real world,education lays the foundation but skills often matter more than our certificates.Having strong Skill makes us adaptable in different life's experience's.In other words, people should develop skills that'll help them thrive in the world.Build up.tangible Skills first  School comes second buts it becomes balanced when you have both of them.

[serjent05]

The education that is in school is not a knowledge, but it makes us grow up, and when we become adults, then we gain knowledge from our life, and that is our real education.

True that, it is the process to acquire knowledge, this is also the reason why studying is very crucial in one's development, and school is one place where a person can study, from general learning to a specific one or what we call specialization. 

Learning is also a process where every step as we move forward can acquire information and learning.  School is made to have a systematic way of learning but sadly it is not flexible.  Skill can be harness in school and in real life experience, the combination of both will give an outstanding result so I would not dare compare the importance of both stuff (school and skills) because these two are essential in establishing a strong foundation for our successful future.

[summonerrk]

The education that is in school is not a knowledge, but it makes us grow up, and when we become adults, then we gain knowledge from our life, and that is our real education.

True that, it is the process to acquire knowledge, this is also the reason why studying is very crucial in one's development, and school is one place where a person can study, from general learning to a specific one or what we call specialization. 

Learning is also a process where every step as we move forward can acquire information and learning.  School is made to have a systematic way of learning but sadly it is not flexible.  Skill can be harness in school and in real life experience, the combination of both will give an outstanding result so I would not dare compare the importance of both stuff (school and skills) because these two are essential in establishing a strong foundation for our successful future.

True, and by skills I personally also mean the ability to communicate and find solutions to non-standard problems. And this is something that is not taught in schools and universities. I want to say that family and upbringing, order in it are very important and there are many important things that can only be learned in a friendly environment. It is also very good if you come across good mentors in life. People who do their work easily and with interest always charge others with motivation. This also applies to the topic of cryptocurrencies, those who bring friends to this area are great, because this is how cryptocurrencies become more widespread.