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[Obim34]

I have not experienced anyone doing arbitrage betting. I only know of arbitrage trading which is not an offense in the exchanges. Some people make money by the price difference between a particular coin in different exchanges.
If this is exactly what it means and how it works in arbitrage betting, there should also not to be a problem doing it.

What I don't know is how it will actually work for betting. Because for trading you could easily buy in one exchange and sell in another exchange. But for betting it is either you are betting with a particular casino or not. When you eventually discover an obvious odd difference, then you go with the casino that offers a better odd.

I'm also confused when he mentioned that, still waiting for his response, though we learn every day.

Browsing the internet using AI Google, this is the definition of Arbitrage Betting

Arbitrage betting, also known as "arbing" or "sure betting," is a strategy that involves placing bets on all possible outcomes of a sporting event across different bookmakers or betting exchanges to guarantee a small, risk-free profit regardless of the outcome.

Situations like this are why admins here should be active, clear the room on what's going on. He was last active as of yesterday, maybe he will attend to the thread when he becomes active.

[Zoomic]

I'm also confused when he mentioned that, still waiting for his response, though we learn every day.

Browsing the internet using AI Google, this is the definition of Arbitrage Betting

Arbitrage betting, also known as "arbing" or "sure betting," is a strategy that involves placing bets on all possible outcomes of a sporting event across different bookmakers or betting exchanges to guarantee a small, risk-free profit regardless of the outcome.

Situations like this are why admins here should be active, clear the room on what's going on. He was last active as of yesterday, maybe he will attend to the thread when he becomes active.

We do not need an admin to answer this, I assume that active gamblers know about this. I wasn't seen it as an offense before now, but with the definition you provided, it sounds like something unethical. But if it's done across different casinos, it shouldn't be a problem.
They said that it's like betting on all possible outcomes and hope to make a risk-free profits even if it will be small. Maybe in Arsenal Vs Aston Villa. You place a bet on 2UP.io that Arsenal will win, then you go to Casino B and say Aston villa will win, then finally to casino C and say they will draw.  Honestly, this sounds like a lot of work.

[Questat]

Browsing the internet using AI Google, this is the definition of Arbitrage Betting

Arbitrage betting, also known as "arbing" or "sure betting," is a strategy that involves placing bets on all possible outcomes of a sporting event across different bookmakers or betting exchanges to guarantee a small, risk-free profit regardless of the outcome.

The definition itself may be correct and not illegal, but I’m not convinced it applies to this case in the same way. This looks more like value betting, where the odds or market were posted incorrectly and a player simply capitalized on the error. If I remember correctly, this has already been discussed on the forum before, and the casino’s TOS clearly states that they reserve the right to void bets placed due to obvious mistakes.

no rules can be found here https://2up.io/policy/terms-of-service

[Don Pedro Dinero]

This is a common occurrence I see, with people coming in with similar complaints, and the problem is always the same: the casino's response is that the user has violated their rules. This isn't unique to this casino; similar accusations are often leveled even at established casinos.
I'm not trying to blame the user for the complaint, but the casino's response that the user committed a violation, combined with the fact that the casino is well-established, makes me trust the casino more. However, casinos typically don't explain the violation in detail, which I find to be a bit of a wild card.

I imagine they keep the evidence up their sleeve just in case. The way I see it, a casino doesn't need to scam its players to make money, a lot of money. As long as it gets enough traffic, the house edge does the rest. We know there are scammer casinos like 1xBit, but these are very isolated cases. When I see a casino like 2UP.io, which in principle seems to be operating normally, I'm not going to believe the player's complaint just like that.

In any case, over the years I've seen cases where the casino realized it had made a mistake, things like that, and ended up agreeing with the player and giving him his money back. If that's the case here, I hope the same thing happens.

[Zoomic]

Browsing the internet using AI Google, this is the definition of Arbitrage Betting

Arbitrage betting, also known as "arbing" or "sure betting," is a strategy that involves placing bets on all possible outcomes of a sporting event across different bookmakers or betting exchanges to guarantee a small, risk-free profit regardless of the outcome.

The definition itself may be correct and not illegal, but I’m not convinced it applies to this case in the same way. This looks more like value betting, where the odds or market were posted incorrectly and a player simply capitalized on the error. If I remember correctly, this has already been discussed on the forum before, and the casino’s TOS clearly states that they reserve the right to void bets placed due to obvious mistakes.

no rules can be found here https://2up.io/policy/terms-of-service

Oh! This could likely be the case here.
When you see a particular event with the 1.5 odds in other casinos and eventually see it as 10.5 odds in a particular casino, that can be regarded as an obvious mistake. In this scenario, the casino will likely refund the capital and void the bet. But there should be some conditions which rightly spell out obvious mistakes in order not to give a casino the opportunity to extort an innocent gambler.

[gaynellehalsey]

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Please remind me that my winnings amount to no more than $230. What kind of big win are you all talking about here? And my $500 deposit was stolen. This is so sad. I was just playing sports. It's so terrible that such "famous" casinos decided not to pay me $230 in winnings and also stole my deposit.

[Russlenat]

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Please remind me that my winnings amount to no more than $230. What kind of big win are you all talking about here? And my $500 deposit was stolen. This is so sad. I was just playing sports. It's so terrible that such "famous" casinos decided not to pay me $230 in winnings and also stole my deposit.

You already have a case posted in the scam accusation board, so it’s better to keep all your concerns there and just wait for the resolution. The community can see it anyway, so let’s just wait for the rep to respond as well.

This ANN thread is meant for relevant discussion, like updates about the casino and user experience. Of course you can share your experience here too, just make sure it doesn’t turn into rule-breaking or spam.

[maknyos]

This is a common occurrence I see, with people coming in with similar complaints, and the problem is always the same: the casino's response is that the user has violated their rules. This isn't unique to this casino; similar accusations are often leveled even at established casinos.
I'm not trying to blame the user for the complaint, but the casino's response that the user committed a violation, combined with the fact that the casino is well-established, makes me trust the casino more. However, casinos typically don't explain the violation in detail, which I find to be a bit of a wild card.

I imagine they keep the evidence up their sleeve just in case. The way I see it, a casino doesn't need to scam its players to make money, a lot of money. As long as it gets enough traffic, the house edge does the rest. We know there are scammer casinos like 1xBit, but these are very isolated cases. When I see a casino like 2UP.io, which in principle seems to be operating normally, I'm not going to believe the player's complaint just like that.

In any case, over the years I've seen cases where the casino realized it had made a mistake, things like that, and ended up agreeing with the player and giving him his money back. If that's the case here, I hope the same thing happens.

I'm sure if a casino finds an error on their part, they'll reinstate the blocked account or refund all user funds, or whatever. However, if the casino finds a violation on the user's part, they'll stick to their decision. And that often happens when the user commits the violation, unlike when we're talking about fraudulent casinos, such as the ones you mentioned.
I'm also sure they won't sacrifice their reputation for a small amount of money compared to what they could potentially gain. If they wanted to, the casino could certainly refund funds even if the user committed a violation. However, doing so would only create bigger problems in the future, as users would become more daring, even if the violation didn't have any consequences.

[Distinctin]

If they wanted to, the casino could certainly refund funds even if the user committed a violation. However, doing so would only create bigger problems in the future, as users would become more daring, even if the violation didn't have any consequences.

They wouldn’t refund it if what’s written in the TOS clearly says that winnings and bonuses are forfeited. That’s how I understand it. They’ll stick to the rules because those rules are supposed to apply to everyone.

If they refund some players but not others, they become inconsistent with their own rules. And if they can’t respect their own rules, then gamblers won’t respect them either.

[gunhell16]

If they wanted to, the casino could certainly refund funds even if the user committed a violation. However, doing so would only create bigger problems in the future, as users would become more daring, even if the violation didn't have any consequences.

They wouldn’t refund it if what’s written in the TOS clearly says that winnings and bonuses are forfeited. That’s how I understand it. They’ll stick to the rules because those rules are supposed to apply to everyone.

If they refund some players but not others, they become inconsistent with their own rules. And if they can’t respect their own rules, then gamblers won’t respect them either.

The rules they have in place are essentially their laws, which must be followed and never broken. I’m certain they will stand by whatever is written in those rules. You’re right, if they were to break them, the casino’s reputation would be ruined, and they would lose all credibility.

That’s why, even if some gamblers strongly dislike it, there’s nothing they can do. These casinos really stick to their rules, and I know for a fact how strict they are when it comes to implementation.

[Perfectbaby]

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Please remind me that my winnings amount to no more than $230. What kind of big win are you all talking about here? And my $500 deposit was stolen. This is so sad. I was just playing sports. It's so terrible that such "famous" casinos decided not to pay me $230 in winnings and also stole my deposit.

You already have a case posted in the scam accusation board, so it’s better to keep all your concerns there and just wait for the resolution. The community can see it anyway, so let’s just wait for the rep to respond as well.

This ANN thread is meant for relevant discussion, like updates about the casino and user experience. Of course you can share your experience here too, just make sure it doesn’t turn into rule-breaking or spam.

If he shares here already then it would be that better for him to wait while the case are being resolved. What I understood in most people is that they hardly have patient over things.
I think I came across Same issues at the scam accusations section as well.

[UmerIdrees]

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Please remind me that my winnings amount to no more than $230. What kind of big win are you all talking about here? And my $500 deposit was stolen. This is so sad. I was just playing sports. It's so terrible that such "famous" casinos decided not to pay me $230 in winnings and also stole my deposit.

You already have a case posted in the scam accusation board, so it’s better to keep all your concerns there and just wait for the resolution. The community can see it anyway, so let’s just wait for the rep to respond as well.

This ANN thread is meant for relevant discussion, like updates about the casino and user experience. Of course you can share your experience here too, just make sure it doesn’t turn into rule-breaking or spam.

If he shares here already then it would be that better for him to wait while the case are being resolved. What I understood in most people is that they hardly have patient over things.
I think I came across Same issues at the scam accusations section as well.

There is no point in duplicating the same concerns by posting here on the ANN thread and in the scam accusation section. The right place to raise such an issue is the scam accusation section, where one should raise his or her concern and submit their complaints.

However, if there is no response from the casino representatives, then it makes sense that one can put the link to that complaint here in the ANN thread as well to get the attention and perhaps more visibility to the casino team.

[Perfectbaby]

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/12/24/Ut9Yv2.png

Please remind me that my winnings amount to no more than $230. What kind of big win are you all talking about here? And my $500 deposit was stolen. This is so sad. I was just playing sports. It's so terrible that such "famous" casinos decided not to pay me $230 in winnings and also stole my deposit.

You already have a case posted in the scam accusation board, so it’s better to keep all your concerns there and just wait for the resolution. The community can see it anyway, so let’s just wait for the rep to respond as well.

This ANN thread is meant for relevant discussion, like updates about the casino and user experience. Of course you can share your experience here too, just make sure it doesn’t turn into rule-breaking or spam.

If he shares here already then it would be that better for him to wait while the case are being resolved. What I understood in most people is that they hardly have patient over things.
I think I came across Same issues at the scam accusations section as well.

There is no point in duplicating the same concerns by posting here on the ANN thread and in the scam accusation section. The right place to raise such an issue is the scam accusation section, where one should raise his or her concern and submit their complaints.

However, if there is no response from the casino representatives, then it makes sense that one can put the link to that complaint here in the ANN thread as well to get the attention and perhaps more visibility to the casino team.

Yes that is true..
And to be realistic, most times the casinos do look at those accusations and if they finds no value evidence then it would be too hard to them to reply but when there is any solid evidence then it wouldn't take them time to give response over to their accusations.
Of course, before casino gives feedback and respond to an accusations they would definitely dig hard to find out a concrete evidence towards the accuser before you see them replying.

[suzanne5223]

If they wanted to, the casino could certainly refund funds even if the user committed a violation. However, doing so would only create bigger problems in the future, as users would become more daring, even if the violation didn't have any consequences.

They wouldn’t refund it if what’s written in the TOS clearly says that winnings and bonuses are forfeited. That’s how I understand it. They’ll stick to the rules because those rules are supposed to apply to everyone.

If they refund some players but not others, they become inconsistent with their own rules. And if they can’t respect their own rules, then gamblers won’t respect them either.

+1 to what you said because casino rules and regulations are set in stone. If not, the casino cant be trusted because they are breaking their own rules.
This is why it is every important for every gambler to always read and understand the casino TOS before using it to avoid future complications.

[SuperBitMan]

If they wanted to, the casino could certainly refund funds even if the user committed a violation. However, doing so would only create bigger problems in the future, as users would become more daring, even if the violation didn't have any consequences.

They wouldn’t refund it if what’s written in the TOS clearly says that winnings and bonuses are forfeited. That’s how I understand it. They’ll stick to the rules because those rules are supposed to apply to everyone.

If they refund some players but not others, they become inconsistent with their own rules. And if they can’t respect their own rules, then gamblers won’t respect them either.

The rules they have in place are essentially their laws, which must be followed and never broken. I’m certain they will stand by whatever is written in those rules. You’re right, if they were to break them, the casino’s reputation would be ruined, and they would lose all credibility.

That’s why, even if some gamblers strongly dislike it, there’s nothing they can do. These casinos really stick to their rules, and I know for a fact how strict they are when it comes to implementation.

Yes you are right, casinos usually stick to there rules and regulations and when you go against this rules and regulations they don't take it likely with you. Some people really don't like casinos that are so forward when it comes to their rules and regulation as for me I see nothing wrong when a casino that is very forward when it comes to there rules and regulations and that is why I always advise before you use a casino calm down and go through their rules and regulations so you won't fall into some situations you won't like in the future.
A lot of complaints that customers usually bring would have been avoided if they carefully read the casino's rules and regulations.

[Justbillywitt]

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I imagine they keep the evidence up their sleeve just in case. The way I see it, a casino doesn't need to scam its players to make money, a lot of money. As long as it gets enough traffic, the house edge does the rest. We know there are scammer casinos like 1xBit, but these are very isolated cases. When I see a casino like 2UP.io, which in principle seems to be operating normally, I'm not going to believe the player's complaint just like that.

There is a saying in my place that story from the mouth one person does not give ruling to a case that involves two parties, and it is not always the first person run to the police that wins a case. When a player brings up a complaint about a casino, I don't just believe them right away either without hearing the side of the casino. But some people are so fast in passing judgement or blaming the casino without hearing from them and that's not good.  People need to do better, when someone come up with accusations case against a casino, question should be asked  to that player and people should exercise patience for the casino to respond before passing judgements.

[stadus]

There was a topic before about value betting, or arbitrage betting, whatever casinos choose to call it in their terms. Maybe it’s worth looking that up again and reading the replies. It could help us understand why casinos hate that kind of play and why, in many ways, gamblers end up at a disadvantage.

Why is value betting against casino TOS?

[bettercrypto]

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I imagine they keep the evidence up their sleeve just in case. The way I see it, a casino doesn't need to scam its players to make money, a lot of money. As long as it gets enough traffic, the house edge does the rest. We know there are scammer casinos like 1xBit, but these are very isolated cases. When I see a casino like 2UP.io, which in principle seems to be operating normally, I'm not going to believe the player's complaint just like that.

There is a saying in my place that story from the mouth one person does not give ruling to a case that involves two parties, and it is not always the first person run to the police that wins a case. When a player brings up a complaint about a casino, I don't just believe them right away either without hearing the side of the casino. But some people are so fast in passing judgement or blaming the casino without hearing from them and that's not good.  People need to do better, when someone come up with accusations case against a casino, question should be asked  to that player and people should exercise patience for the casino to respond before passing judgements.

As readers and members of this forum community, we need to be fair and balanced in our discussions. This applies whether the issue lies with the casino itself or with the gamblers using the platform.

There are many community members here who are too quick to judge or provide justifications after hearing only one side of the story. The truth is, FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) can be very damaging in these situations when people don't wait to hear the perspectives of both parties.

[Distinctin]

+1 to what you said because casino rules and regulations are set in stone. If not, the casino cant be trusted because they are breaking their own rules.
This is why it is every important for every gambler to always read and understand the casino TOS before using it to avoid future complications.

And these rules we’re seeing aren’t just made up out of nowhere. Casinos can’t simply invent them without approval from their license providers or regulators. They’re supposed to make sure the rules are valid and fair for gamblers.

So when you see a casino that’s properly licensed, you should expect that their rules are there for fairness, to protect both the casino and the players, at least in principle.

[maknyos]

If they wanted to, the casino could certainly refund funds even if the user committed a violation. However, doing so would only create bigger problems in the future, as users would become more daring, even if the violation didn't have any consequences.

They wouldn’t refund it if what’s written in the TOS clearly says that winnings and bonuses are forfeited. That’s how I understand it. They’ll stick to the rules because those rules are supposed to apply to everyone.

If they refund some players but not others, they become inconsistent with their own rules. And if they can’t respect their own rules, then gamblers won’t respect them either.

Well, obviously they won't do that, but what I meant before was “if they want to” They can easily return the money that has been withheld, it's not a big deal for them. But rules are made to be enforced and they have to be consistent too, so with that they will never refund users who have committed violations.
They make rules for themselves so that it is not easy to be abused by players. Cheating is the main enemy in any case, including in gambling. So with the rules made it will minimize cheating.