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Author Topic: [ANN] NiceHash.com - sell & buy hash rate cloud mining service / multipool  (Read 794360 times)
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October 09, 2014, 12:19:01 AM
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Just looking into NiceHash.  I have around 55 mh/s in scrypt ASICs.  Would mining at Nicehash really offer more profits than multipool or mining scrypt coins directly?

Someone brought it to my attention recently that this is the case and I could make more coins pointing my rigs to NiceHash then buying the coins I want to collect.
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October 09, 2014, 02:15:16 AM
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Just looking into NiceHash.  I have around 55 mh/s in scrypt ASICs.  Would mining at Nicehash really offer more profits than multipool or mining scrypt coins directly?

Someone brought it to my attention recently that this is the case and I could make more coins pointing my rigs to NiceHash then buying the coins I want to collect.

IF you can pick the right coin of course you will make more money mining that coin directly but it is a BIG If. There is a lot of luck involved in that and nicehash takes that luck out and allows you to make a good profit esp compared to mining litecoin directly.
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October 09, 2014, 02:46:21 AM
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Hey thanks for your reply bud, I think I am going to try this out.  Really looking to spend less time monitoring for the most profitable coin/s all the time.  I like the sounds of getting more of my time back to work on other things.  Figure once a week or I can just take the BTC and buy up one of my portfolio coins that is in good buy position.  Getting more comfortable with trading and want to spend less time on the mining side, so this option looks good for me.

Thanks again!!
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October 09, 2014, 12:27:20 PM
Last edit: October 09, 2014, 01:00:23 PM by AelitaBcm
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2. Order lifespan: to avoid issues with endless and place-holder orders we introduced orders lifespan. When submitting an order it is automatically set to 15 days lifetime, after that period it will be automatically cancelled. All currently submitted orders (active or inactive) were set to 15 days lifespan as of today. Of course, any remaining funds will be refunded to your wallet in case of auto-cancellation. You will be notified by email before your order will expire so that you will be ready to submit new order if needed.

Thank fucking god.
I doubt about that.

For example, I tested the system by making a small deposit of 10 mBTC (the smallest accepted). Of course, I chose to order hash power using a smaller price than most of the biggest active orders (just testing if I can get a good deal). It turned out that I had to wait too much time to have the order filled by anyone, but this was due to my own pool which rejected the connections (at least this was the message I received into the My Orders page). For short, I cancelled my order, so I know for sure the following things:

1. 14 days isn't of any good -- as time as the mining difficulty increases (and the payout decreases accordingly) too often.

2. If keeping any BTC amount "invested" in such an order, assuming that I would use some better pool (with a low price, though), I would either have :

a). -- too late -- the order filled (but sometimes when I'd already pay too much per TH/day), which would make a double loss (bigger real price plus smaller rewards)

or

b). -- much too late -- the order canceled by the system (in 14 days), which is even worse (my funds blocked for 14 days plus the loss of buying power of blocked funds during these 14 days).

What's worse? You decide it.


Don't tell me that 14 days means that you only lose 0.1 mBTC (their anti-spam fee) plus that 0.5 mBTC (withdrawal fee). In 14 days the mining difficulty increases more than the 2% !

14 days is just offering you a false sense of peace of mind !

I see as reasonable a 3-5 days limit instead of 14 days !!

BTW. If you choose an order with unlimited hashing power you are damn so wrong ... This is because the pools aren't just producing blocks each and every second. If you chose unlimited power (which might be spent / received in minutes, hours, etc), what happens if your pool gets unlucky and produce no blocks during your rent ? You lose your funds in zero or small reward, if any at all.

Edited - reason : NH reversed the 2% fees after I cancelled the test order. Only 0.1 mBTC (anti-spam fee) was deducted as far, which is fine. Probably will follow that 0.5 mBTC. As of now though, I still prefer to just hash with my rig here, instead of rent power from others.
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October 09, 2014, 04:18:49 PM
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Can I make a suggestion? I'm noticing that commonly (perhaps every time?) when I rent or someone rents my rig, it shows 0 hashrate for 3-4 minutes at the start of the rental. Not sure why... I know when I rented I had the pool info ready to go so there should not have been more than 1 minute down, if that.

So I'd just like to suggest that when calculating the average hashrate for a rental, you truncate off the first 5 minutes of the rental period in doing the calculation, if this really is a common phenomena. That would save us (whether renters or rig providers) some aggravation/misunderstanding.

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October 13, 2014, 01:41:11 AM
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guys how to calculate minimum rental criteria? i wanted to set 0.002BTC per MHs but having difficulty to set it up

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October 13, 2014, 03:03:48 AM
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I just pointed my miners at WestHash (in the US) and used my Bitcoin addy.  Is there something else to be done or setup for greater benefit?  I didn't get the part about leasing hash or setting minimums.
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October 13, 2014, 03:14:19 AM
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You can set password in your miner config like p=0.002 like this your miner will be rented only for the orders of 0.002btc or above

Now my question was: since NH calculate rentals on btc/ghs/day so how i can set my scrypt miners password to fulfill orders which are above 0.002/mhs/day and same for the SHA MINERS

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October 13, 2014, 05:03:01 AM
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-u 192LVxfeKVR3NLZrtxcZNdazfo4Dw8S1tm -p xx

stratum authentication fails on both 3333 and 3334  why?
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October 13, 2014, 08:47:23 AM
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You can set password in your miner config like p=0.002 like this your miner will be rented only for the orders of 0.002btc or above

Now my question was: since NH calculate rentals on btc/ghs/day so how i can set my scrypt miners password to fulfill orders which are above 0.002/mhs/day and same for the SHA MINERS

You can't choose which orders to fill, all miners are paid average price, which is shown on first page (look @ information for sellers). If price goes down below your threshold, your miners will be refused to authenticate.
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October 13, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
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I just pointed my miners at WestHash (in the US) and used my Bitcoin addy.  Is there something else to be done or setup for greater benefit?  I didn't get the part about leasing hash or setting minimums.
https://www.nicehash.com/docs/connect-via-proxy/

Pay attention to the extranonce sub, and other tuning.
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October 14, 2014, 06:28:32 PM
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How do you pause orders, if you are leasing hashpower on Nicehash? I've been watching the orders on X15, where the profitability fluctuates pretty strongly (from around .00025 to .0006, for example), and can do so in just a few minutes. It's apparent that many of the orders have the ability to "pause" and drop off the active orders list as profitability drops; then the moment profitability rises above their order price, the order shows back up again.

At first I thought it was just people manually canceling and relisting orders (paying the anti-spam penalty), but the % Completion for each order proves that this is not the case. It's the same order that is appearing and disappearing so that the order is never mining unprofitably. What's the trick to doing this? Does it cost anything to pause an order?

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October 14, 2014, 07:40:19 PM
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How do you pause orders, if you are leasing hashpower on Nicehash? I've been watching the orders on X15, where the profitability fluctuates pretty strongly (from around .00025 to .0006, for example), and can do so in just a few minutes. It's apparent that many of the orders have the ability to "pause" and drop off the active orders list as profitability drops; then the moment profitability rises above their order price, the order shows back up again.

At first I thought it was just people manually canceling and relisting orders (paying the anti-spam penalty), but the % Completion for each order proves that this is not the case. It's the same order that is appearing and disappearing so that the order is never mining unprofitably. What's the trick to doing this? Does it cost anything to pause an order?

We already explained this a few posts back. Our service doesn't have any "pause order feature". However, this can be kinda simulated/automated by someone who has his own private pools (and operate them at the same time) and can disable a particular worker/port on their pools. It is also possible that some public pools allows changing workers details (e.g. worker password) via API which would also result in a similar behavior (disable an order by disabling a particular worker). We will allow and monitor this while legit users are using it in a moderate way via their own ingenuity, but will always place system security, fairness and stability in the first place and disable any potential harmful operation.

We have also implemented some advanced rules in favor of manual regular operation for users who manually operate orders:
1- All orders have a lifespan of 15 days. This prevents long-term placeholder orders.
2- Dead place-holder orders are degraded to the bottom of sub-list of same-priced orders. This rule goes in favor of new orders instead of dead place-holder orders.

We are trying to run a service that would best suit the majority of our users - those who wish to automate the usage with our API and other third-party tools and for those who just prefer to use it in a regular manual fashion. But we also value your feedback and any comments and ideas are always welcome!

Thanks for using NiceHash&WestHash!

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October 14, 2014, 10:44:37 PM
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Thanks for the explanation and clarification. Yes, it does make it challenging for the rest of us "normal folks" to place orders. Either we have to place an order so high that there is little chance of earning a profit, or sits so low that it never picks up hashrate. Or you put an order in the middle, and what happens is the intermittent orders show up when profitability is good (thus sucking up all the hashrate), and then disappear when profitability drops, so you only get hashrate when rates are terrible and you wind up mining at a loss.

Maybe there should be a small penalty assessed on orders that should be active and at the top of the queue but are not for some reason, assessed each time they drop out. (By assessing it each time it drops, that lessens the impact on someone who has a legitimate problem with their setup at a mining pool since that would presumably be a one-time type event. By contrast the orders I'm describing may be dropping out and reappearing a dozen or more times during their duration.)

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October 15, 2014, 07:38:16 PM
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I haven't been able to connect to either Westhash or Nice hash for about a week now. Is it an issue on my side? Tried rebooting both the router and the Gridseeds multiple times


I have tried setting the password to x or to a very low price such as p=0.0029 but no luck.


[2014-10-15 12:37:49.8769] Checking main pool: stratum+tcp://stratum.westhash.com:3333
[2014-10-15 12:37:52.9736] stratum_recv_line failed
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October 15, 2014, 08:25:39 PM
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mine are currently running fine, must be on your end
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October 16, 2014, 01:09:51 PM
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Also to me it shows:

This page (https://nicehash.com/) is currently offline. However, because the site uses Clou... ?

And also I can't "mine" there atm.

Are there any problems?

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October 16, 2014, 02:54:19 PM
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We were and still are under heavy DDoS attack, but we've mitigated it for now. We had to tighten our protection which might also filter out some good miner, therefore I ask you for your patience before we completely solve this.

It is actually a classic extortion attack, we received this:

"hey

your stratum server is under attack. pay 1 btc @ 1NTvZanqQmJAEkbLrM9HaMCWopCGzYePTt and i will stop and you are free for lifetime of your site

don't reply coz i won't be able to read, just pay uniq btc address and attack stopes instantly"

from anonymousemail@anonymousemail.us, relayed by free.hostodon.me [85.17.249.89]

Anyway ... we are not negotiating with blackmailers, therefore we reported the incident to authorities.

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October 16, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
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Does Nicehash only use the Free or "Pro" version of CloudFlare?  This would seem to be a fairly bad advertisement for their services as they're supposed to help protect against this sort of thing.  Though their website does say that DDoS protection comes with the Business and Enterprise versions.
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October 16, 2014, 05:23:55 PM
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BitDefender is reporting Sgminer.exe v5 that is being shared by nicehash as a Trojan. Some other anti-virus software are not detecting it yet.

https://www.westhash.com/software/sgminer-5.0-final-win32.zip

At first I thought it was faults positive, but after further research it defiantly has got a problem. It explains the strange mining results, missing hash and router log activity when using it.

Can someone please verify.


https://www.westhash.com/software/sgminer-5.0-badman74-mod-win32.zip
Isn't being reported as Trojan.
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