Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[zolace]

This is how another ranger try to explain what happens in Nevada:
"Let me see if I can explain this story to non-ranch people. Mr. Bundy's family has work this land since the 1880's, long before there was a BLM. Grazing rights were handle by the McDonald Commission, or some name like that. This along with other commissions and agencies were merged into what is now the BLM. Land in those earlier days was look upon a needing to be "productive". Running cows was productive, a product (cows) could be raised and sold, families had a livelihood, taxes paid, jobs created. The land was productive. Then along came the Endangered Species Act. The Government started using this act to "control" the land. They wanted people off the land, for it to remain in it's "native state" whatever that may mean. Slowly but surely the land was depopulated, ranchers either couldn't pay the fees or the restriction on how many animals could be on the land were so restrictive that many could no longer make ago of it. That is what the BLM has done to Mr. Bundy, they have used the Endangered Species Act to restrict his the amount of cattle he can run to a point he could no longer make a living. Mr. Bundy refused to pay the fees to the "Federal Government" because he felt that they were "using" those same fees to pay the people who were trying to put him out of business. He offered to pay those fees to the county or the State, just not the Feds. That is an overview of how we got to "armed Federal agents" taking this man and his families livelihood. Bureaucracy means the "desk of power." So unelected people sitting behind a desk now have the power to control your life. Now you know why many of us want "limited government". To limit the power of the desk.”

[pungopete468]

This is another example of Federal over-reach into State business. The Federal policing of so-called Federal Parks, Monuments, and Lands is unlawful. There is so much over reach it's crazy. The Federal government isn't even allowed a standing army for a period greater than 2 years...

Fort Leavenworth Railroad Co. v. Lowe (1885), Justice Stephen J. Field wrote that the authority of the federal government over territories is "necessarily paramount." But once a territory is organized as a state and admitted to the union on equal footing with other states, the state government assumes general sovereignty over federal lands, and the federal government has the rights only of an "individual proprietor."

Here are references to the Constitution with regards to a Standing Federal Military.

Article I, Section VIII
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be
for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for
governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United
States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers,
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline
prescribed by Congress.

Article II, Section II
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United
States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual
Service of the United States.

[Wilikon]

Showdown on the range: Nevada rancher, feds face off over cattle grazing rights
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/


County Commissioner Says Bundy Supporters “Better Have Funeral Plans”
http://www.infowars.com/county-commissioner-says-bundy-supporters-better-have-funeral-plans/




http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/

[Wilikon]

By SHIREE BUNDY COX:

I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it is in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights.

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.

Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers.

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with their own grazing fees.

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job.

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business.

Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card.

You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise.
Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years.

Now they’re desperate.

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/04/09/exclusive-the-bundy-daughter-speaks-out-on-government-terrorism-against-her-family/

[Bit_Happy]

Front page of Drudge = Good exposure.
I also heard about the situation on the radio last night.

[Wilikon]

Front page of Drudge = Good exposure.
I also heard about the situation on the radio last night.

Exposure on Drudge does not stop snipers when ordered to shot.

[Wilikon]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BundyRanch&src=hash

[TheButterZone]

When enough Oathkeepers congregate, the feds will retreat, and Nevada will glow again. Government doesn't really give a fuck about endangered species, any more than the fucks given about civil rights (zero).

[Bit_Happy]

When enough Oathkeepers congregate, the feds will retreat, and Nevada will glow again. Government doesn't really give a fuck about endangered species, any more than the fucks given about civil rights (zero).
...

A mass-murder like Waco is more believable.
They will not use Nukes, especially so close to Las Vegas.

[TheButterZone]

When enough Oathkeepers congregate, the feds will retreat, and Nevada will glow again. Government doesn't really give a fuck about endangered species, any more than the fucks given about civil rights (zero).
...

A mass-murder like Waco is more believable.
They will not use Nukes, especially so close to Las Vegas.

Waco wasn't the thousands of victims that are projected to arrive in NV. Not sure how many people are there now, but it may have crossed the Waco number already.

It may be apocryphal, but there's a story that Sinatra used to watch the nuke tests at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site from his balcony in Vegas. At only 65 miles away and Sinatra living til age 82...

[bryant.coleman]

A mass-murder like Waco is more believable.
They will not use Nukes, especially so close to Las Vegas.

There will be no loss of life this time, as it will cause massive outrage all across the USA. However, I don't discount the possibility of someone getting seriously injured. And unlike Waco, the local police is playing a more active role here.

[TheButterZone]

The USA is already in a constant state of massive outrage and has been since the civil war (a Pyrrhic victory followed by Jim Crow laws that are still enforced today), yet the government still constantly fucks everyone's liberties into oblivion 24/7/365.

[Bit_Happy]

If the Feds want unrest/violence followed by an extreme crackdown on remaining freedoms, then there might be loss of life.
We can always hope for the best.

[bryant.coleman]

If the Feds want unrest/violence followed by an extreme crackdown on remaining freedoms, then there might be loss of life.
We can always hope for the best.

Things have changed. This is not the 1980s or the 90s for the Feds to commit massacres, a la Ruby Ridge / Waco and get away with it. People are much more informed through the internet and social media. There will be an open rebellion if any such thing happens.

[Elwar]

It seams that is public land owned by the government,and who use it need to pay tax..... this is what the Bureau of Land Management says .
In 1993, the federal government began requiring ranchers to pay grazing fees for cattle raised around Bunkerville, Nevada. The change occurred after the desert tortoise was put on the endangered list and and the Bureau of Land Management decided a tax would dissuade ranchers from grazing their cattle where they could hurt the tortoises.

Apparently, just last summer the BLM was slaughtering thousands of those tortoises and turned away people willing to adopt them to save them saying they're not "the ideal pet".

http://www.infowars.com/before-nevada-cattle-rancher-dispute-blm-was-euthanizing-endangered-desert-tortoise/

[Bit_Happy]

If the Feds want unrest/violence followed by an extreme crackdown on remaining freedoms, then there might be loss of life.
We can always hope for the best.

Things have changed. This is not the 1980s or the 90s for the Feds to commit massacres, a la Ruby Ridge / Waco and get away with it. People are much more informed through the internet and social media. There will be an open rebellion if any such thing happens.

Correct, and...
Some nasty elements might want open rebellion as a clear path to even more Gov power.
Of coarse, that is wild speculation. If we think positive thoughts everything will turn out fine.

[pungopete468]

So looking closer...

- The Federal Government has posted "First Amendment Zones" and if protesters are outside of these zones they will be attacked and imprisoned... Seriously; First Amendment Zones...

- The government has no right to the land they claim; in the 1870's Bundy's great-grandfather purchased an "absolute forage right" which according to the law supersedes all subsequent law. Taking the land without both consent and just compensation for the improvements is illegal and unlawful. The Fed has no right to assert such a claim at all.

- The court was clearly supporting the Federal Government by ignoring the law and ruling without regard to his lawful right.

- The law is on his side, yet the court and government are willfully ignoring the law.

- The grazing fees are illegal because his family purchased a legal forage right which has been upheld by the State for over 100 years until now.

This is wrong on so many levels... I hope the truth will prevail because if it doesn't then this is the beginning of the end. This might cause a "shot heard around the world".

[Bit_Happy]

So looking closer...

Looking deeper was/is on my todo list.
Thank you very much for all the details. 

[Wilikon]

Agenda 21's Rewilding Project...
http://rewilding.org/rewildit/what-is-rewilding/

[bryant.coleman]

Apparently, just last summer the BLM was slaughtering thousands of those tortoises and turned away people willing to adopt them to save them saying they're not "the ideal pet".

Unfortunately, in this case the BLM was right. The slaughtered tortoises were affected with disease. Had they been released in to the wild, then the entire population might have gone extinct.