Coinbet.cc -- $340,000 stolen, the worst 45 days of my life. [Long]

[BitcoinzRulez]

I had multiple problems with them as well in the early days and stopped going there after they banned me. I have never been banned from anything in my life, but CoinBoss and I used the same I.P. address (WiFi access spread across multiple large hospitals). I can complete that story and fill in some details if you want.

Link here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4967492#msg4967492

it's somewhere in that thread

I remember that thread... I ripped their T&C to shreds and called coinbet out several times on it. I'll look in my post history.

Do you have any specific information about these thieves?  names, locations, etc?

[phinzphan]

I had multiple problems with them as well in the early days and stopped going there after they banned me. I have never been banned from anything in my life, but CoinBoss and I used the same I.P. address (WiFi access spread across multiple large hospitals). I can complete that story and fill in some details if you want.

Link here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4967492#msg4967492

it's somewhere in that thread

I remember that thread... I ripped their T&C to shreds and called coinbet out several times on it. I'll look in my post history.

Go right ahead!

[Rulishix]

Would love to see them being called out for the scammers they are!

[StinkyS4L]

Do you have any specific information about these thieves?  names, locations, etc?

Unfortunately not and Coinboss doesn't work at the hospital anymore. I can tell you that they ended up paying him off a little and contracted him to work for them. I don't know if he ever did though. They sent him $500 Western Union and maybe even more that that. According to CoinBoss (a couple months ago) they were supposed to send him even more and were purchasing a computer and some software for him to use for what purposes I do not know, but I told him to be careful if he ever did get that stuff and not to do anything related to real life on that machine, always log in VPN/TOR etc...

Part 1: Backstory

It was me who actually started playing there after I saw there voucher program on one of the threads here. I passed it along to several coworkers who also like to gamble/play games where I work, something to do to pass the time. They got vouchers too and we were having fun. Of course this violated their T&C's since there were multiple people (3-10 I honestly don't know) playing over the next few days with the free voucher money from the same IP. CoinBoss and I both attempted to cashout some winnings and were refused while it was being "investigated". Meanwhile I hit some crazy 6 team parlay for a couple of bitcoins and was playing craps. I tried to cash out and was denied, etc. Here's me bitching about it on their thread. Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4576163#msg4576163

They reset everyone on the sites balance that used a voucher and were crying abuse on their thread.

I opened a new account and sent in .1 in BTC and didn't take the bonus. At this point I was just actually checking if they would pay out. I won a couple of bets and got it up to .25 BTC and cashed out. No problem. Sent back $27 and this time took the bonus to give me $81. Played a shit ton of poker, blackjack, and craps, some sports bets and met their rollover requirements and went through the run around trying to get my money, but did eventually. Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4591035#msg4591035

That's when the fun started.

I still had money on their site (I'm up and don't care about the little that's left) and so did CoinBoss. I love to play craps. I had went to the casino with a bunch of the guys from work (and a few girls) and had taught them how to play. I ended up turning $50 into about $1000 playing craps. Coinboss turned $150 into $20K. They refused to pay us both.

Here's the rundown. Their craps game had to have been rigged on their side (most of their casino games were, just read the posts). I figured out a way to make them play fair. I put $10 on pass and don't pass. Even play, if one wins the other loses, even money. After point was established, play the inside but always place an equal amount on come and the 7. If a 7 hit it paid double and this is where I believe their cheating software was screwed up. If you didn't play the 7 it would automatically crap you out at the quickest possible time. It looked at the bets wrong. Every 6-8 rolls it would hit a 2,3,11,12. Just wait until it hits, then count to 6 and start playing those numbers. Load up on them. $5 each. 2 and 12 pay 30-1 and 3 and 11 pay 15-1. Even if it takes 3 rolls(it rarely did) to hit an 11 you are still up $15 ($60 to cover the numbers at $5 each for 3 rolls, 1 win at 15-1 for $75). Usually it didn't take that long, meanwhile anything else rolls you are basically at even money down the line. If a 2/12 hit first roll you profited $130, but you were always guaranteed somewhere between $15-130 every 6-8 rolls. If at anytime you took money off lets say the 6, then it would roll a 6 (this was the same for all numbers) their software calculated win/loss every roll and gave the house the advantage but for some reason did not account for the high risk prop bets I was throwing at it. I do not see this as cheating or gaming the system, it was more like a puzzle I was trying to figure out and after I did the money was coming along nicely.
This is in no way how I bet craps at a casino BTW  

Anyways, If they were a reputable and solid company (without cheating software) and had not dicked me around initially on the voucher program/bonus problems, etc. I would have warned them. But as it was I was content knowing this and would have just used this system for getting more money to bet sports and dragged it along for a while to get a return out of the site. You may think bad of me for doing this, but really, fuck them, they had already stolen thousands upon thousands from others during their voucher fiasco.

[Lovethecoins]

Has anyone heard from the contacted them since the site has closed??

[Lucky Cris]

Unfortunately not and Coinboss doesn't work at the hospital anymore. I can tell you that they ended up paying him off a little and contracted him to work for them. I don't know if he ever did though. They sent him $500 Western Union and maybe even more that that. According to CoinBoss (a couple months ago) they were supposed to send him even more and were purchasing a computer and some software for him to use for what purposes I do not know, but I told him to be careful if he ever did get that stuff and not to do anything related to real life on that machine, always log in VPN/TOR etc...

SON OF A BITCH!!!! Were you part of that?

Coinboss reached out to me via PM after everything was said and done with that 20k fiasco. In case you all don't know, I threw lots of gas on that fire and many others. Anyways, coinboss confessed, told me how he cheated the software. And it wasn't by out smarting the game.

So coinbet hired him cuz he had skills, eh?! Interesting. They're still in the scene I bet. New server, new name, new games.

[StinkyS4L]

• Part 2: The Death Threat

So, if you read my previous post you know that I was just small timing it, but CoinBoss decided to test the system. Using the plays I showed him, he started racking up big money, increasing bets each time and was soon at over $20K. He tried to cash out and received an email stating that his account was under manual review. That's fine, no cheating, just playing their rigged games to his advantage (like any of you would). He sends back an email asking what was going on and then they call him back (he put his actual info into their system on sign-up). They were dicking him around and he came to my office to talk to me about it and fill me in on what was going on. I told him that it was dumb to have tried to get $20K payout from them, and that he would probably never see any money (not true). He called them and recorded the conversation and uploaded/linked it to the thread. In the conversation they were saying that for them to send him 21K that first he had to send them 7K so that there computer "software" could release the funds.  LOL   They said they had manually reviewed his play and approved it (which is true, since no cheating was involved) and that it was a software issue on their side that could only be fixed by him paying them 7K. 

He then kept on the thread calling them out and trying to support his case to get paid. I wanted no part of it. Meanwhile I tried to cash out some of the money that was owed to me and was banned because I have the same IP at work as CoinBoss. Whatever, they did refund my initial deposit back though. After that I didn't play there anymore because 1)they banned me and 2)I wouldn't trust them with a dime.
Anyways, the next day I'm sitting at home and CoinBoss texts me, freaked out that they called up to his work and threatened to kill him. I wasn't there but he sounded scared as hell. I told him to call the police and keep an eye out, meanwhile at my house I pulled out the short barreled 12 gauge and Walther PPK and kept them close at hand. He made a police report and posted it to the thread and texted and told me about it. I looked it up and it had all kinds of identifying information in it and I told him to take it down and get rid of all of his info.

The next day the thread was going crazy, and I was still attempting to stay out of it. I would council CoinBoss about him wanting to press the issue to someone who threatened his life. I wasn't scared because fuck it I live in a rural area and if you want to step on my property I'll put 16 holes into you quick, but why would I need or want that aggravation? I'd rather just stay the fuck out of it.

Anyways they made up a completely bogus email (saying that CoinBoss was scamming them) that was called out by several people in that thread as bogus and would never include any easily provided information to back-up that he sent it. A checksum, the email history would have been easily included and extremely relevant but they couldn't provide it because you know why? He didn't send it. They were just trying to cover their asses and get away from their debts by discrediting a bettor.  The next time I see CoinBoss at work was about 5 days later and he has some interesting news. They have called and he worked out some kind of deal with him. They send him $500+ and recruit him to work for them in some capacity doing with forums because of the uproar he caused. They say that maybe he can turn the tide their way and they'll send him some more money. "Social Engineering" is the backbone of scamming. If you can't get others to do what you want or believe you then your scam isn't going anywhere.

Lucky Cris - Not to call you out, I will say as this whole thing was going on you and a few others were downplaying CoinBoss posts and you had a right to. It's hard to believe shit that you read on the internet (especially death threats) but from my side of things (knowing that everything that was posted by CoinBoss was true) you along with a few others, really helped coinbet's side. I know it wasn't your intention and I'm not blaming you in anyway. I figured with all this out there that hopefully some others would read the posts and decide that it wasn't worth the risk.

[StinkyS4L]

SON OF A BITCH!!!! Were you part of that?

Coinboss reached out to me via PM after everything was said and done with that 20k fiasco. In case you all don't know, I threw lots of gas on that fire and many others. Anyways, coinboss confessed, told me how he cheated the software. And it wasn't by out smarting the game.

So coinbet hired him cuz he had skills, eh?! Interesting. They're still in the scene I bet. New server, new name, new games.

He had no "skills" and neither did I. I even had to show him how to use forum software at first (here and at other crypto forums). I have a small crypto investment group at work. If he told you that it was probably after being hired by them trying to calm the storm. That was the only thing I knew about. I have no idea how he would have cheated the software unless he was referencing what I posted above, but that's not really cheating.

[Lucky Cris]

SON OF A BITCH!!!! Were you part of that?

Coinboss reached out to me via PM after everything was said and done with that 20k fiasco. In case you all don't know, I threw lots of gas on that fire and many others. Anyways, coinboss confessed, told me how he cheated the software. And it wasn't by out smarting the game.

So coinbet hired him cuz he had skills, eh?! Interesting. They're still in the scene I bet. New server, new name, new games.

He had no "skills" and neither did I. I even had to show him how to use forum software at first (here and at other crypto forums). I have a small crypto investment group at work. If he told you that it was probably after being hired by them trying to calm the storm. That was the only thing I knew about. I have no idea how he would have cheated the software unless he was referencing what I posted above, but that's not really cheating.

K, but why would they hire him? If you said he had no skills, I guess maybe he didn't. Let me find the PM and post...

[phinzphan]

Do you have any specific information about these thieves?  names, locations, etc?

Unfortunately not and Coinboss doesn't work at the hospital anymore. I can tell you that they ended up paying him off a little and contracted him to work for them. I don't know if he ever did though. They sent him $500 Western Union and maybe even more that that. According to CoinBoss (a couple months ago) they were supposed to send him even more and were purchasing a computer and some software for him to use for what purposes I do not know, but I told him to be careful if he ever did get that stuff and not to do anything related to real life on that machine, always log in VPN/TOR etc...

Part 1: Backstory

It was me who actually started playing there after I saw there voucher program on one of the threads here. I passed it along to several coworkers who also like to gamble/play games where I work, something to do to pass the time. They got vouchers too and we were having fun. Of course this violated their T&C's since there were multiple people (3-10 I honestly don't know) playing over the next few days with the free voucher money from the same IP. CoinBoss and I both attempted to cashout some winnings and were refused while it was being "investigated". Meanwhile I hit some crazy 6 team parlay for a couple of bitcoins and was playing craps. I tried to cash out and was denied, etc. Here's me bitching about it on their thread. Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4576163#msg4576163

They reset everyone on the sites balance that used a voucher and were crying abuse on their thread.

I opened a new account and sent in .1 in BTC and didn't take the bonus. At this point I was just actually checking if they would pay out. I won a couple of bets and got it up to .25 BTC and cashed out. No problem. Sent back $27 and this time took the bonus to give me $81. Played a shit ton of poker, blackjack, and craps, some sports bets and met their rollover requirements and went through the run around trying to get my money, but did eventually. Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4591035#msg4591035

That's when the fun started.

I still had money on their site (I'm up and don't care about the little that's left) and so did CoinBoss. I love to play craps. I had went to the casino with a bunch of the guys from work (and a few girls) and had taught them how to play. I ended up turning $50 into about $1000 playing craps. Coinboss turned $150 into $20K. They refused to pay us both.

Here's the rundown. Their craps game had to have been rigged on their side (most of their casino games were, just read the posts). I figured out a way to make them play fair. I put $10 on pass and don't pass. Even play, if one wins the other loses, even money. After point was established, play the inside but always place an equal amount on come and the 7. If a 7 hit it paid double and this is where I believe their cheating software was screwed up. If you didn't play the 7 it would automatically crap you out at the quickest possible time. It looked at the bets wrong. Every 6-8 rolls it would hit a 2,3,11,12. Just wait until it hits, then count to 6 and start playing those numbers. Load up on them. $5 each. 2 and 12 pay 30-1 and 3 and 11 pay 15-1. Even if it takes 3 rolls(it rarely did) to hit an 11 you are still up $15 ($60 to cover the numbers at $5 each for 3 rolls, 1 win at 15-1 for $75). Usually it didn't take that long, meanwhile anything else rolls you are basically at even money down the line. If a 2/12 hit first roll you profited $130, but you were always guaranteed somewhere between $15-130 every 6-8 rolls. If at anytime you took money off lets say the 6, then it would roll a 6 (this was the same for all numbers) their software calculated win/loss every roll and gave the house the advantage but for some reason did not account for the high risk prop bets I was throwing at it. I do not see this as cheating or gaming the system, it was more like a puzzle I was trying to figure out and after I did the money was coming along nicely.
This is in no way how I bet craps at a casino BTW  

Anyways, If they were a reputable and solid company (without cheating software) and had not dicked me around initially on the voucher program/bonus problems, etc. I would have warned them. But as it was I was content knowing this and would have just used this system for getting more money to bet sports and dragged it along for a while to get a return out of the site. You may think bad of me for doing this, but really, fuck them, they had already stolen thousands upon thousands from others during their voucher fiasco.

Wow! I have a similar story.

Their sportsbook allowed  correlated parlays (Where 1  leg is similar to another, giving the player an advantage.) , especially V2.0, a whole smorgasbord of them.  I deposited $46 or so, kept playing these parlays, made small withdraws here and there, took 6BTC from them. They eventually caught on, flagged my bets. They let another 2BTC worth of withdraws through but after that, they came up with BS reasons not  to pay me (Something about API).  Then this thread came up,  2 days later (Easter). they went bye bye.   The key was making small withdraws here and there, if I didn't do that I'd have nothing.  They still owe me $12,400 but I'll never see it.  so we both pulled screw jobs on each other

 I had a more detailed story typed out but I lost it.

[StinkyS4L]

K, but why would they hire him? If you said he had no skills, I guess maybe he didn't. Let me find the PM and post...

Please post that. I would love to see it. He told me he had worked with "anonymous" in some capacity and knew computers pretty well but I never saw any indication of that actually being true.

[Lucky Cris]

So I communicated mostly with _computer_ because coinbet accused him and coinboss as being one and the same, a reason not to pay up the 20k. But this is the second message I got from coinboss; you were right, he's claiming the script belonged to someone else. Hell, it's been too long

[StinkyS4L]

imgur works for the upload. If he said script he was lying. The only thing I know of him doing is what I showed him to do. I haven't written a script for anything since 7th grade computer class. I wouldn't know how to begin  

Also found this site http://bitcoinscammers.com/coinbet-cc/#comments

They had this posted there and then took it down as well, now coinbet.cc isn't even listed on their main page, even though it is a huge scam, and people are out hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of dollars.

[Lucky Cris]

Lucky Cris - Not to call you out, I will say as this whole thing was going on you and a few others were downplaying CoinBoss posts and you had a right to. It's hard to believe shit that you read on the internet (especially death threats) but from my side of things (knowing that everything that was posted by CoinBoss was true) you along with a few others, really helped coinbet's side. I know it wasn't your intention and I'm not blaming you in anyway. I figured with all this out there that hopefully some others would read the posts and decide that it wasn't worth the risk.

Just read this... dude, is you crazy? I took a completely neutral stance on that situation, and if you read my posts in that thread, you'll see that I dogged coinbet more than anyone else did. I called them out on everything, even did a review on their T&Cs to warn people. I actually shut coinbet's ass up quite a few times on that thread.

[StinkyS4L]

So I communicated mostly with _computer_ because coinbet accused him and coinboss as being one and the same, a reason not to pay up the 20k. But this is the second message I got from coinboss; you were right, he's claiming the script belonged to someone else. Hell, it's been too long

Holy shit. That's amazing. That had to be definitely after they hired him. From what I know about him (not much) he's married and doesn't have any roommates. I could be wrong on the roommates part though. They must have paid him off pretty well for him to shit on himself like that. I saw him win quite a bit of that money (5K-6K) at work using the system that I described. I doubt that he used any sort of SQL injection but I don't know what that is or how it would work, so I can't be 100% on that. I can say that he had no need to do that if he did.

[Lucky Cris]

Holy shit. That's amazing. That had to be definitely after they hired him. From what I know about him (not much) he's married and doesn't have any roommates. I could be wrong on the roommates part though. They must have paid him off pretty well for him to shit on himself like that. I saw him win quite a bit of that money (5K-6K) at work using the system that I described. I doubt that he used any sort of SQL injection but I don't know what that is or how it would work, so I can't be 100% on that. I can say that he had no need to do that if he did.

Tell me about it. Here's the first PM he sent me. This would've been after they hired him because he left the forum shortly thereafter.



EDIT - With everything that's going on right now surrounding coinbet, I could care less about keeping my word to not let people know what he told me. He's probably involved with some of this shit.

[phinzphan]

By the way I wanna thank Stinky for 1, posting his story.. 2, letting me know they banned him when they did, because that was the main reason I went about cashouts like I did. (that and other people said they would honor small cashouts but not large ones). So without that info, I wouldn't have made a dime

[StinkyS4L]

Lucky Cris - Not to call you out, I will say as this whole thing was going on you and a few others were downplaying CoinBoss posts and you had a right to. It's hard to believe shit that you read on the internet (especially death threats) but from my side of things (knowing that everything that was posted by CoinBoss was true) you along with a few others, really helped coinbet's side. I know it wasn't your intention and I'm not blaming you in anyway. I figured with all this out there that hopefully some others would read the posts and decide that it wasn't worth the risk.

Just read this... dude, is you crazy? I took a completely neutral stance on that situation, and if you read my posts in that thread, you'll see that I dogged coinbet more than anyone else did. I called them out on everything, even did a review on their T&Cs to warn people. I actually shut coinbet's ass up quite a few times on that thread.

You did, you took both of them to task. I'm not saying that you didn't, as you definitely called out coinbet's bullshit while at the same time trying to verify CoinBoss legitimacy. It's a hard thing to do and by reading through them at the end of the day coinbet won.  Some examples

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4721284#msg4721284

but also here you definitely take them both to task

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4733217#msg4733217

Again, I think you did a great job, and I'm not calling you out but with the information that was available and all the stuff that was being said in that thread it got muddled.

[Lucky Cris]

It's a hard thing to do and by reading through them at the end of the day coinbet won. 

coinbet appeared to have won in that situation because coinboss gave up - which is why I got so pissed with him. Now I know why he gave up, they hired his fucking ass!

[StinkyS4L]

I just wish BitcoinzRulez would have followed his own advice.
"you guys are absolute whack jobs for sticking with this place.  I've read through almost every online casino thread here on bitcointalk and none are this controversial.  this place is red flag after red flag.  there are better places out there, get out now.  

A few days ago I was following this thread religiously and then i lost interest because it was obvious what a scam this place was turning out to be.  now every time i see this thread pop back up to the top of the thread list, its another complaint, another big issue, another red flag, another scam.

why stick it out here?  there's 50 other places to take your bitcoins that are far less shady."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4803182#msg4803182

and,
"Bro, i'll be monday morning QBing like crazy when this thing fails.  you want to overlook a zillion red flags thats fine, but lets not ignore the cashout issues, and the scammy casino games in addition to the bonus issues.  there's 20 pages of complaints, open your eyes dude."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410999.msg4803856#msg4803856