[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[Keyboard-Mash]

oh noooo...
where do you have that from? i really love the current design of a deamon and a seperate wallet: just talking through well defined rpc commands

Um, I think I saw it in IRC ... maybe this thread though? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589561.0

It also might be in this thread we're in now.

I like how this works too, but you have to admit .. it's pretty limited. I can't see addresses I've sent money to easily, I can't see received amounts easily .. etc.

For this to be a fit financial tool, it will need things like easy to view transaction logs. The logs are already stored in txt files, but they're hardly usable.

What would be beautiful is a lightweight wallet .. where you don't need the entire blockchain. I think aminorex mentioned something about mycelium integration as well.

[drawingthesun]

Can someone please link me to the top addresses for monero?

If there exist such a public list.

As previously indicated the main point of this coin is to not support that (i.e. "private" into the thread subject).

You can in fact create such a list but it doesn't mean anything because on-blockchain addresses are one-time-use so all you are listing are unspent outputs, not public addresses.

Yes if people shared their view keys that would yield more information but I can't see any reason whatsoever why significant number of people would ever do that.

Okay that makes sense.

If the one-time addresses were listed in descending order wouldn't that give a list that is worth looking at?

The issue isn't who owns what address or what address is associated with the one-time addresses, the question is based around verifying the current total of monero in circulation.

Hey smoothie. You should be able to count all the coins in circulation by adding up all the coins in the one time addresses.

[smoothie]

Can someone please link me to the top addresses for monero?

If there exist such a public list.

As previously indicated the main point of this coin is to not support that (i.e. "private" into the thread subject).

You can in fact create such a list but it doesn't mean anything because on-blockchain addresses are one-time-use so all you are listing are unspent outputs, not public addresses.

Yes if people shared their view keys that would yield more information but I can't see any reason whatsoever why significant number of people would ever do that.

Okay that makes sense.

If the one-time addresses were listed in descending order wouldn't that give a list that is worth looking at?

The issue isn't who owns what address or what address is associated with the one-time addresses, the question is based around verifying the current total of monero in circulation.

Hey smoothie. You should be able to count all the coins in circulation by adding up all the coins in the one time addresses.

I kind of figured that. Has anyone created a list of the one-time addresses with the largest balances? Or is that information useless?

[Keyboard-Mash]

Why is I2P so important to you?

more privacy for people running nodes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6930412#msg6930412

However, I2P presents a challenge, as the current router software is written in Java, and the Monero project would not like to add Java as a dependency, neither would it make sense to add is as an attack surface.

So literally the only reason Anoncoin's usage of I2P doesn't have people going wild is that the software is written in Java?

Is there more to this? Does someone just not like/code in Java, but the implementation was good? What's the problem?

I see it called an attack surface. What problems does Java I2P router present that a c++ one would not?

Can someone please sell this to me? Did Anoncoin just not market an incredible achievement properly, or was there some serious flaw that nobody talks about?

[dewdeded]

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=java

Does this explain why people dont like Java? (Besides other valid reasons.)

[cayars]

Hi I'm new in this Coin

How to generate a Payment ID

You only need this when you are sending to an exchange from simplewallet

How to send money to a other User

Is there a tutorial

If you want to try this with a very small amount I'd be happy to help you.

I can send you a small amount and you can try and send it back.

Carlo

[polecrab]

Does anybody know how to get rid of 3.15 XMR that I mined at Moneropool.com? I've tried send it to Poloniex in batches of 1.5, 1, 0.5, 0.2... nothings works. Sending over 1.5 does not work, "transaction too big" error. Smallest amounts seems to work at first but minutes later the coins come back to my wallet. I've never seen a piece of shit like this. 

Are you using the 0.8.8 wallet? With latest wallet you pay a fee, but should be able to convert your small change to coin. There is a point where the dust is worthless, but mining pools should not issue that dust in the first place. Don't join a pool where your share of the hash is microscopic.

[polecrab]

How does payment ID work? Can it be used to send a short message like "delivery instructions", or "colour", when ordering products (when such a market exists)?

[Keyboard-Mash]

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=java

Does this explain why people dont like Java? (Besides other valid reasons.)

I don't know about Anoncoin but Java is a serious vector for online malware and is one of the most vulnerable software out there, a c++ router would be much more safer.

Thanks, these both help a lot! The point I'm trying to make is that to anyone who has never been to this thread or heard of Monero before, this can and will look like a lot of useless coding when there's already a working implementation. (example - I continue to use windows although its a massive attack vector .. but it gives me AutoCAD so I use it instead of ubuntu on my main computer)

As Anoncoin was first in the implementation, it will be an absolute necessity that I2P with Monero is marketed otherwise it's just going to cause a lot of confusion. I promise that will be the result if this isn't made clear. I figured two weeks would be a good time frame before I started pushing for a discussion.

What other valid reasons can you think of dewdeded? Also, lol at the link that's a lot of problems!

Please keep in mind I'm not looking to bash Anoncoin, but instead I'm trying to find a marketable definition of why that wasn't good enough.

How much safer would you think it would be Nekomata? What kind of safety issues outside of malware vectors are there, if any?

[Keyboard-Mash]

How does payment ID work? Can it be used to send a short message like "delivery instructions", or "colour", when ordering products (when such a market exists)?

It works however you want it to.

You could use it to do all of those if you wish that to be your standard. I think you're limited to hex characters though IIRC.

[David Latapie]

I (hopefully) stop writing down a (rough) new vertion of getting-started. For technical and testing reasons, it is not online yet. Could you please use it and refer people to it when they ask how to install? The more feedback the better.

Thank you.

http://david.latapie.name/install_monero_ubuntu.html

Edit: now online.

http://monero.cc/getting-started/

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[Taxidermista]

Does anybody know how to get rid of 3.15 XMR that I mined at Moneropool.com? I've tried send it to Poloniex in batches of 1.5, 1, 0.5, 0.2... nothings works. Sending over 1.5 does not work, "transaction too big" error. Smallest amounts seems to work at first but minutes later the coins come back to my wallet. I've never seen a piece of shit like this. 

Are you using the 0.8.8 wallet? With latest wallet you pay a fee, but should be able to convert your small change to coin. There is a point where the dust is worthless, but mining pools should not issue that dust in the first place. Don't join a pool where your share of the hash is microscopic.

Yes, I'm using the 0.8.8 wallet. I've tried to send 0.5 or 0.2 coins to Poloniex and the transfer went fine at first, no errors, but a couple of minutes later the coins were back in my wallet 

I mined with 250 H/s, nothing too high or low, and the pool has 30% of the network hashrate at that moment.

[florida.haunted]

Hi!

I am becoming a fan of monero due to its fundamental conceptualily. I have just read this news, may be Monero 100% complys the conditions:

GlobalSign gives free class 'A' SSL certificates to open source projects.

Link:

https://www.globalsign.com/ssl/ssl-open-source/

[Keyboard-Mash]

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=java

Does this explain why people dont like Java? (Besides other valid reasons.)

I don't know about Anoncoin but Java is a serious vector for online malware and is one of the most vulnerable software out there, a c++ router would be much more safer.

Thanks, these both help a lot! The point I'm trying to make is that to anyone who has never been to this thread or heard of Monero before, this can and will look like a lot of useless coding when there's already a working implementation. (example - I continue to use windows although its a massive attack vector .. but it gives me AutoCAD so I use it instead of ubuntu on my main computer)

As Anoncoin was first in the implementation, it will be an absolute necessity that I2P with Monero is marketed otherwise it's just going to cause a lot of confusion. I promise that will be the result if this isn't made clear. I figured two weeks would be a good time frame before I started pushing for a discussion.

What other valid reasons can you think of dewdeded? Also, lol at the link that's a lot of problems!

Please keep in mind I'm not looking to bash Anoncoin, but instead I'm trying to find a marketable definition of why that wasn't good enough.

How much safer would you think it would be Nekomata? What kind of safety issues outside of malware vectors are there, if any?

I'm not a security specialist, but its not hard to find reasons why Java allows plenty of malware:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_security#Potential_sources_of_security_vulnerabilities_in_Java_applications

Hm, I'll look around for more material .. maybe people will link a few more things as well?

Something I'm trying to get at -- looking at the massive list that dewdeded linked, you can get a good idea on exactly what kind of extent people are willing to put up with for platforms like Citrix, Oracle and I've seen a few Java CMMS systems .. and I know there's more.

Businesses and people using these systems deal with these vulnerabilities (either directly or indirectly) every day because of the perceived gains they get despite them. The software is still widely used .. and isn't going away just because someone made a c++ version of it.

Back to the point -- how can we "market" the idea that a c++ I2P router is something to be thrilled over (rather than a Java one) to people who are not security specialists. Getting one person with the technical depth to understand is trivial, but getting tens of thousands (who very likely may not have even heard of Java or c++ before) to feel like they understand is a suitable challenge.

Using the vulnerabilities is a pretty good starting point .. but it's kind of bland and washed out when it comes to trying to drive your point home. Everybody elses ideas are always bad when yours is good. Rather than focus on what a Java router can't do correctly .. what can a c++ one do that a Java one couldn't? Apart from their main goal of acting as I2P routers is there any apparent gains, besides attack/vulnerability surfaces?

Not everyone using Monero will be a computer security specialist .. actually I would hope security specialists to be a greatly enjoyed minority rather than the entire community of monero When I use the term "market" I mean literally "remove confusion from" .. not "turn this into a market pump" which sadly seems to be the general connotation of the term..

[polecrab]

Does anybody know how to get rid of 3.15 XMR that I mined at Moneropool.com? I've tried send it to Poloniex in batches of 1.5, 1, 0.5, 0.2... nothings works. Sending over 1.5 does not work, "transaction too big" error. Smallest amounts seems to work at first but minutes later the coins come back to my wallet. I've never seen a piece of shit like this. 

Are you using the 0.8.8 wallet? With latest wallet you pay a fee, but should be able to convert your small change to coin. There is a point where the dust is worthless, but mining pools should not issue that dust in the first place. Don't join a pool where your share of the hash is microscopic.

Yes, I'm using the 0.8.8 wallet. I've tried to send 0.5 or 0.2 coins to Poloniex and the transfer went fine at first, no errors, but a couple of minutes later the coins were back in my wallet 

I mined with 250 H/s, nothing too high or low, and the pool has 30% of the network hashrate at that moment.

I presume your transactions are rejected because they are a waste of space in the blockchain. I didn't join that pool for the same reason as your problem, even though it means I have to put up with orphans.  That pool has too high a share of the global hash - miners should move away from it for the health of the coin. Every block they find you get a tiny fraction sent to you. If you have such a hash rate, join a direct pay pool that has about 2% or less of the global hash or join a pool that requires registration and accumulates your shares for you. You have to trust them either way.

[followtheboss]

QCN got his GUI wallet on MacOS 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600658.msg7196776#msg7196776

cheers

[Keyboard-Mash]

QCN got his GUI wallet on MacOS  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600658.msg7196776#msg7196776

cheers

Awesome for him! I think everyone that wants to use/mine QCN on a mac will benefit greatly!

[Keyboard-Mash]

Does anybody know how to get rid of 3.15 XMR that I mined at Moneropool.com? I've tried send it to Poloniex in batches of 1.5, 1, 0.5, 0.2... nothings works. Sending over 1.5 does not work, "transaction too big" error. Smallest amounts seems to work at first but minutes later the coins come back to my wallet. I've never seen a piece of shit like this. 

Are you using the 0.8.8 wallet? With latest wallet you pay a fee, but should be able to convert your small change to coin. There is a point where the dust is worthless, but mining pools should not issue that dust in the first place. Don't join a pool where your share of the hash is microscopic.

Yes, I'm using the 0.8.8 wallet. I've tried to send 0.5 or 0.2 coins to Poloniex and the transfer went fine at first, no errors, but a couple of minutes later the coins were back in my wallet 

I mined with 250 H/s, nothing too high or low, and the pool has 30% of the network hashrate at that moment.

I presume your transactions are rejected because they are a waste of space in the blockchain. I didn't join that pool for the same reason as your problem, even though it means I have to put up with orphans.  That pool has too high a share of the global hash - miners should move away from it for the health of the coin. Every block they find you get a tiny fraction sent to you. If you have such a hash rate, join a direct pay pool that has about 2% or less of the global hash or join a pool that requires registration and accumulates your shares for you. You have to trust them either way.

Oh, I see it now. Let's take the net hash for the last week to be 3.5 million.

30% of that is 1.05 million hashes/sec. They will get 30% of the blocks per day which is 432 blocks / day. This means any wallet you have mining there will get at least 432 payments per day.

Your hashes are 250. You would get ~.103 blocks / day which is about 2-3 days to get the amount in your wallet right now.

Your little amount is composed of probably over 1000 transactions. That's absolutely insane, because for you to send even half a monero would max an entire block and decrease the block reward by as much as 9% .

This is an insane amount and why it's highly recommended you mine at a pool that doesn't do this to you. If you don't have a problem with closed source, minergate won't do this to you. Your other option is to mine at a pool with a lower hashrate, increasing the amount of payments. Your other option is to not mine at these pools, as it would be insane to sit there and send to yourself over and over again for 20 minutes every few days. Lastly, you can bear with the pool and just send yourself the small payments to "consolidate" so that you can bear with them until the software is better matched to this protocol.