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[Jungian]

This looks like fear of the long arm of the law to me. It is understandable for an individual, but not for a citizen.
I pay taxes because I want children to be educated, hospital to work, road to be in working state, science to progress (and the fact that individual corporations can achieve it concurrently is not enough of an argument for me).

You are not a citizen by choice. Citizenship is a form of slavery that says we own your body for being born in a certain geographical area.

I believe in society, even if I agree that inefficiency and outright corruption plague the world.

What do you mean.. you believe? Like in a god that you want others to be forced to sacrifice to?
EVERYONE wants a social situation where they can function as human being. Taxation is not a necessity for this Quite the contrary. To introduce violence and coercion to system ruins it for every honest player.

One shall not pay taxes because he is afraid of getting caught. One shall pay taxes because he believes in the project called society. To make a conceit, I'd say the fundamentals are strong, even if the implementation leaves an awful lot to be desired. I really believe that a nation could use a cryptocurrency as its main tool, even an anonymous one like Monero.

Then it's not taxes. Paying for services you use or want others to use with your money is just normal commerce. No need for adding guns to the equaiton.

People are complaining about greedy bastards and selfish miners, but what is paying taxes lest being caught? Not that different. Now, I agree that one shall have the right to refuse (and thus leave society) and this is hard to the point of being practically impossible at the moment (international waters or outer space, anyone?).

The differnce is that taxpayers support the system where "greedy" miners are kidnapped and/or killed if they resist forcefully giving away their profit.

[Anon136]

I pay taxes because I want children to be educated, hospital to work, road to be in working state, science to progress

Yea because there is no way any of those things would happen without armed maniacs in blue costumes running around taking peoples stuff.

[mmortal03]

You are not a citizen by choice. Citizenship is a form of slavery that says we own your body for being born in a certain geographical area.

Yep, we're all just "bits" of DNA, traveling down one long, hierarchical blockchain that dates all the way back to the Genesis block of humanity (or life itself).

[hologram]

[darkota]

I pay taxes because I want children to be educated, hospital to work, road to be in working state, science to progress

Yea because there is no way any of those things would happen without armed maniacs in blue costumes running around taking peoples stuff.

To be honest, there is no way those things would happen without a government. Companies are only involved in things in which they can reap sustainable profit. That's why there are so few private schools compared to public(government owned) schools.

If we left it up to companies and our fellow brethen to do things like build roads, builds schools, build hosptials etc, then nothing would get done because in our capitalistic society(frankly any type of society as well), people are motivated by Money and greed, with all companies trying to gain the highest amount of profit at the cost of others( look at wal-mart outsourcing jobs to sweatjobs in china, same with apple etc etc)

That's why we need a government to do the things that no one else will, and I'm very thankful for having one that does so.(the u.s gov)

[surfer43]

Come-from-Above
If you want fast profit Monero is not for you. There are coins that goes up and down for 100% in a day. Monero will never have this. Monero is long term investment. Buy now and forget about it for 2 years.

But since other coins give you chance to earn fast, they also give you chance to lose fast. So be carefull.

[hologram]

Maybe without government education would be different, but there would be education. state owned school are something very new in history but there was always skilled people to do skilled job...
And without government people wouldn't stay home and die cause road will disappear, they would find a way...

I understand better English than i write it sorry.

[Jungian]

I pay taxes because I want children to be educated, hospital to work, road to be in working state, science to progress

Yea because there is no way any of those things would happen without armed maniacs in blue costumes running around taking peoples stuff.

To be honest, there is no way those things would happen without a government. Companies are only involved in things in which they can reap sustainable profit. That's why there are so few private schools compared to public(government owned) schools.

If we left it up to companies and our fellow brethen to do things like build roads, builds schools, build hosptials etc, then nothing would get done because in our capitalistic society(frankly any type of society as well), people are motivated by Money and greed, with all companies trying to gain the highest amount of profit at the cost of others( look at wal-mart outsourcing jobs to sweatjobs in china, same with apple etc etc)

That's why we need a government to do the things that no one else will, and I'm very thankful for having one that does so.(the u.s gov)

This is so out of line with reality that it's ridiculous.

You are taking socialist/nationalistic policies that result in outsourcing and use them to criticize free enterprise. The very fact that people are motivated by "greed" (in fact, everyone is motivated by the same thing. Self-maximization according to their incentives.) is the very reason anything is built, with or without a government.
It's just that when it's done in a free society it's built according to the needs of the clients who use it, no according to the needs of the politicians who want votes.

[darkota]

Maybe without government education would be different, but there would be education. state owned school are something very new in history but there was always skilled people to do skilled job...
And without government people wouldn't stay home and die cause road will disappear, they would find a way...

I understand better English than i write it sorry.

 All states have their own "government" or centralized authority, so that still counts as a government in a way.

As for there would be education, skilled people doing skilled job, No, there wouldn', for most of history there has been leadership between peoples, since the start of civilization. Not having such leadership would bring people literally back to the stone age, as I've shown, people are greedy and selfish. Without a government, most of the things many people rely on in life(40% of americans rely on medicare, most children rely on public schools etc etc) would not exist.

[darkota]

I pay taxes because I want children to be educated, hospital to work, road to be in working state, science to progress

Yea because there is no way any of those things would happen without armed maniacs in blue costumes running around taking peoples stuff.

To be honest, there is no way those things would happen without a government. Companies are only involved in things in which they can reap sustainable profit. That's why there are so few private schools compared to public(government owned) schools.

If we left it up to companies and our fellow brethen to do things like build roads, builds schools, build hospitals etc, then nothing would get done because in our capitalistic society(frankly any type of society as well), people are motivated by Money and greed, with all companies trying to gain the highest amount of profit at the cost of others( look at wal-mart outsourcing jobs to sweatjobs in china, same with apple etc etc)

That's why we need a government to do the things that no one else will, and I'm very thankful for having one that does so.(the u.s gov)

This is so out of line with reality that it's ridiculous.

You are taking socialist/nationalistic policies that result in outsourcing and use them to criticize free enterprise. The very fact that people are motivated by "greed" (in fact, everyone is motivated by the same thing. Self-maximization according to their incentives.) is the very reason anything is built, with or without a government.
It's just that when it's done in a free society it's built according to the needs of the clients who use it, no according to the needs of the politicians who want votes.

Ok go watch a documentary on a capitalistic society. You're saying that people will just go ahead and make schools, hostpitals, etc, out of their own pocket just for the good of humanity? Don't make me laugh....Your post makes no sense..

Does Wal-Mart outsource jobs to sweatshops in China for the good of the people?
Does all the other high profile companies outsource their jobs to cheap labor in India and China for the good of the people too?

[Jungian]

Maybe without government education would be different, but there would be education. state owned school are something very new in history but there was always skilled people to do skilled job...
And without government people wouldn't stay home and die cause road will disappear, they would find a way...

I understand better English than i write it sorry.

 All states have their own "government" or centralized authority, so that still counts as a government in a way.

As for there would be education, skilled people doing skilled job, No, there wouldn', for most of history there has been leadership between peoples, since the start of civilization. Not having such leadership would bring people literally back to the stone age, as I've shown, people are greedy and selfish. Without a government, most of the things many people rely on in life(40% of americans rely on medicare, most children rely on public schools etc etc) would not exist.

You have shown no such thing. You have just said something that is contrary to everything we know about how humans act.

The only thing you shown here is how the government makes people rely on them by forcing all other alternatives out of the market and then having their slaves salute it as a good thing.

Your statements are so anti-human its sad.

[blaaaaacksuit]

I thought this was a thread about monero.

[Anon136]

I pay taxes because I want children to be educated, hospital to work, road to be in working state, science to progress

Yea because there is no way any of those things would happen without armed maniacs in blue costumes running around taking peoples stuff.

To be honest, there is no way those things would happen without a government. Companies are only involved in things in which they can reap sustainable profit. That's why there are so few private schools compared to public(government owned) schools.

If we left it up to companies and our fellow brethen to do things like build roads, builds schools, build hosptials etc, then nothing would get done because in our capitalistic society(frankly any type of society as well), people are motivated by Money and greed, with all companies trying to gain the highest amount of profit at the cost of others( look at wal-mart outsourcing jobs to sweatjobs in china, same with apple etc etc)

That's why we need a government to do the things that no one else will, and I'm very thankful for having one that does so.(the u.s gov)

This is so sad. The level of brainwashing the government puts people through to get them to believe this nonsense is terrifying. I'm not going to get into debunking this here though, this is not the place for it. If you want make a thread and invite me to it.

[Jshank]

Not sure if this has been discussed, but what would be the hashrate of the top supercomputers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianhe-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28supercomputer%29

Is it fair to say network needs to be strong than a couple of these for a truly secure network?

[smooth]

Not sure if this has been discussed, but what would be the hashrate of the top supercomputers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianhe-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28supercomputer%29

Is it fair to say network needs to be strong than a couple of these for a truly secure network?

The first one lists at 17 MW. At 3 h/W, that is 51 Mh. Our network is currently 27 Mh so we aren't there yet.

EDIT: thank you superplus for the arithmetic correction.

[fluffypony]

Has anyone successfully compiled bitmonerd/simplewallet on Arch ?

- Executing binaires just gives me: "core dumped"

- Trying to compile is a hell: first the script wants to execure "sudo apt get install" for the boost 1.55 ?!?! Probably doesn't get that I already have it. Then it gets stucked on "No CMAKE_C_COMPILER could be found". I have all base-devel installed.

Have you got gcc 4.9+ installed?

Hi ff, thanks for replying. I run chakra linux which is kde arch basically. 64bits.

Kernel 3.15.5-1
gcc 4.9.0.8
cmake 3.0.0.1
make 3.82
boost 1.55

Try 'pacman -S base-devel' - for some reason CMake isn't finding your GCC at all.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

This is so sad. The level of brainwashing the government puts people through to get them to believe this nonsense is terrifying. I'm not going to get into debunking this here though, this is not the place for it. If you want make a thread and invite me to it.

Because a thread should be made, but OP's not going to do it.  Somebody else should do it.

[hologram]

Because a thread should be made, but OP's not going to do it.  Somebody else should do it.

Yeah ! Another debate between leftist and libertarian on bitcointalk, the last was so useful...

[superplus]

Not sure if this has been discussed, but what would be the hashrate of the top supercomputers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianhe-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28supercomputer%29

Is it fair to say network needs to be strong than a couple of these for a truly secure network?

The first one lists at 17 MW. At 3 h/W, that is 5.7 Mh. Our network is currently 27 Mh...

hash/W or W/hash? would be 51Mh ..

[Anon136]

Must... control... self... Must... not... go... on... off... topic... rant...

So how about monero lately. Glad to see the price starting to rise. Still so much more to go