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September 04, 2014, 10:21:34 AM
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I haven't yet synced AT ALL and am before the faulty blocks and the fork point (I don't have it running now). I want to make sure I get on the right fork when I sink: how can I do that?

Your wallet should sync to the correct fork if I correctly understand what fluffypony has said. If you're concerned about ending up on the wrong fork then back up your blockchain file before starting to sync.

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Actually you don't know what's really going on with the coin. "B" part is alive but has few miners on it. How will you merge two parts?

The B chain will be ignored. It lost.
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September 04, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
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Now I realize what was the reason for the mid-move turn back at 510 and the quite strong selling towards 400, which was not supported by fundamentals or anything.

The attackers have taken a short position during the decline (causing the decline), and when they run out of coins, the price also stopped declining. When it started going up, it was the time to attack.

Now if the holders sell their coins so that the price drops to below 400, without corresponding buyers except the attackers, then the attackers have won financially, fleecing the community. (The community has also won, because the bug was fixed and attack repelled.)

I pledge 1000 XMR to the devs for their ongoing good work, and BTC100 will be used to buy moneros in the exchange without further warning if I deem that the scamattackers are about to get too fat a profit from their attack.

Why do you keep throwing good money after bad? Monero developers have confirmed their incompetence numerous times, and you still continue investing in XMR. I understand that you’ve put a lot of effort and money in it but you should not be tied up to the sunk costs.

It seems that you've been lured into thinking that Monero is going to the moon when actually it is doomed. I think you should rethink your commitment before you've lost even more.
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September 04, 2014, 10:25:51 AM
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Now I realize what was the reason for the mid-move turn back at 510 and the quite strong selling towards 400, which was not supported by fundamentals or anything.

The attackers have taken a short position during the decline (causing the decline), and when they run out of coins, the price also stopped declining. When it started going up, it was the time to attack.

Now if the holders sell their coins so that the price drops to below 400, without corresponding buyers except the attackers, then the attackers have won financially, fleecing the community. (The community has also won, because the bug was fixed and attack repelled.)

I pledge 1000 XMR to the devs for their ongoing good work, and BTC100 will be used to buy moneros in the exchange without further warning if I deem that the scamattackers are about to get too fat a profit from their attack.

Why do you keep throwing good money after bad? Monero developers have confirmed their incompetence numerous times, and you still continue investing in XMR. I understand that you’ve put a lot of effort and money in it but you should not be tied up to the sunk costs.

It seems that you've been lured into thinking that Monero is going to the moon when actually it is doomed. I think you should rethink your commitment before you've lost even more.


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September 04, 2014, 10:26:01 AM
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The blockexplorer is stuck on the fork :
http://monerochain.info/

Who is in charge of it ?
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September 04, 2014, 10:29:40 AM
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Why do you keep throwing good money after bad? Monero developers have confirmed their incompetence numerous times, and you still continue investing in XMR. I understand that you’ve put a lot of effort and money in it but you should not be tied up to the sunk costs.

It seems that you've been lured into thinking that Monero is going to the moon when actually it is doomed. I think you should rethink your commitment before you've lost even more.

So would you say Bytecoin is a better investment?  Roll Eyes
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September 04, 2014, 10:29:49 AM
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Actually you don't know what's really going on with the coin. "B" part is alive but has few miners on it. How will you merge two parts?

You accuse me of not really knowing what's going on and then in the next sentence you want to merge a dead chain? I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously.

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September 04, 2014, 10:33:10 AM
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Now I realize what was the reason for the mid-move turn back at 510 and the quite strong selling towards 400, which was not supported by fundamentals or anything.

The attackers have taken a short position during the decline (causing the decline), and when they run out of coins, the price also stopped declining. When it started going up, it was the time to attack.

Now if the holders sell their coins so that the price drops to below 400, without corresponding buyers except the attackers, then the attackers have won financially, fleecing the community. (The community has also won, because the bug was fixed and attack repelled.)

I pledge 1000 XMR to the devs for their ongoing good work, and BTC100 will be used to buy moneros in the exchange without further warning if I deem that the scamattackers are about to get too fat a profit from their attack.

Why do you keep throwing good money after bad? Monero developers have confirmed their incompetence numerous times, and you still continue investing in XMR. I understand that you’ve put a lot of effort and money in it but you should not be tied up to the sunk costs.

It seems that you've been lured into thinking that Monero is going to the moon when actually it is doomed. I think you should rethink your commitment before you've lost even more.

I think the devs and community have shown they respond well to a major crisis.

Anyone waiting for markets to open so they can panic sell; those holding; and even those thinking of investing should be reassured by the responses over the past 24 hours.

These are good signs for those that are long and want an invest and forget project.

Given the core support, trying to help dig the xmr grave is just asinine.

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September 04, 2014, 10:33:37 AM
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Go away sock puppet. We're busy over here.

I thought about that... And I agree with @Cheesus

Why does this not surprise me? Let me think....hmm. Umm.

Oh yeah, that's right! Because you are both BCN shills?





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September 04, 2014, 10:34:44 AM
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The blockexplorer is stuck on the fork :
http://monerochain.info/


My transaction this morning is showing up there. So just to clarify, I've sent coins on the wrong chain, I need to re-down the blockchain from scratch, rescan the wallet and the coins i sent on the erroneous chain will re-appear?
Sorry to be noobish, I woke up to this drama and haven't yet got past the coffee and hangover stage.

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September 04, 2014, 10:35:58 AM
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The blockexplorer is stuck on the fork :
http://monerochain.info/


My transaction this morning is showing up there. So just to clarify, I've sent coins on the wrong chain, I need to re-down the blockchain from scratch, rescan the wallet and the coins i sent on the erroneous chain will re-appear?
Sorry to be noobish, I woke up to this drama and haven't yet got past the coffee and hangover stage.

Yes that's correct. Make backups of your wallet before you do anything.
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September 04, 2014, 10:36:17 AM
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Go away sock puppet.

I thought about that... And I agree with @Cheesus

Why does this not surprise me? Let me think....hmm. Umm.

Oh yeah, that's right! Because you are both BCN shills?







I was waiting for someone to post this! No doubt Hexah will just ignore this blatant evidence of anti-XMR shilling as he has done every time in the past.
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September 04, 2014, 10:37:36 AM
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The blockexplorer is stuck on the fork :
http://monerochain.info/


My transaction this morning is showing up there. So just to clarify, I've sent coins on the wrong chain, I need to re-down the blockchain from scratch, rescan the wallet and the coins i sent on the erroneous chain will re-appear?
Sorry to be noobish, I woke up to this drama and haven't yet got past the coffee and hangover stage.

Yes that's correct. Make backups of your wallet before you do anything.
Thanks man, on it.

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September 04, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
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My transaction this morning is showing up there. So just to clarify, I've sent coins on the wrong chain, I need to re-down the blockchain from scratch, rescan the wallet and the coins i sent on the erroneous chain will re-appear?
Sorry to be noobish, I woke up to this drama and haven't yet got past the coffee and hangover stage.

I'd check ChainRadar first, as they are on the correct chain: http://chainradar.com/xmr/blocks

If it's not there, then yes, you need to re-download the blockchain, and then delete your wallet.bin (not the .bin.keys) and reopen it as normal. simplewallet will recreate that cache from the wallet creation date onwards, and since you never sent anything on the current chain your coins will still be there.

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September 04, 2014, 10:44:50 AM
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I'd check ChainRadar first, as they are on the correct chain: http://chainradar.com/xmr/blocks

If it's not there, then yes, you need to re-download the blockchain, and then delete your wallet.bin (not the .bin.keys) and reopen it as normal. simplewallet will recreate that cache from the wallet creation date onwards, and since you never sent anything on the current chain your coins will still be there.
Erm, it's showing on both.

http://monerochain.info/tx/e977b3ba1a9bee5e6f1d1164f75a7e1ab3f72607536934beb3d813a71f64bc3e

http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/e977b3ba1a9bee5e6f1d1164f75a7e1ab3f72607536934beb3d813a71f64bc3e

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September 04, 2014, 10:47:18 AM
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Noobish question: Does all this new information mean that this "tx-fork bug" only caused a simple -not very enduring- fork? That's all it did? If so, is that a major problem, or simply something that can be fixed easily?
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September 04, 2014, 10:47:29 AM
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Pretty suspicious that he already knows how to solve this  Roll Eyes

trying to induce a brotherwar is far more suspicous.

it makes absolutely no sense to disrespect bbr from xmrs standpoint and vice versa - that is probably the only argument I share with james
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September 04, 2014, 10:48:38 AM
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I'd check ChainRadar first, as they are on the correct chain: http://chainradar.com/xmr/blocks

If it's not there, then yes, you need to re-download the blockchain, and then delete your wallet.bin (not the .bin.keys) and reopen it as normal. simplewallet will recreate that cache from the wallet creation date onwards, and since you never sent anything on the current chain your coins will still be there.
Erm, it's showing on both.

http://monerochain.info/tx/e977b3ba1a9bee5e6f1d1164f75a7e1ab3f72607536934beb3d813a71f64bc3e

http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/e977b3ba1a9bee5e6f1d1164f75a7e1ab3f72607536934beb3d813a71f64bc3e

Yes, both chains obviously accepted your transaction. This has nothing to do with on which chain you are.

To check on which chain you are check your chain height and compare it with monerochain.info and chainradar.com
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September 04, 2014, 10:49:29 AM
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I'd check ChainRadar first, as they are on the correct chain: http://chainradar.com/xmr/blocks

If it's not there, then yes, you need to re-download the blockchain, and then delete your wallet.bin (not the .bin.keys) and reopen it as normal. simplewallet will recreate that cache from the wallet creation date onwards, and since you never sent anything on the current chain your coins will still be there.
Erm, it's showing on both.

http://monerochain.info/tx/e977b3ba1a9bee5e6f1d1164f75a7e1ab3f72607536934beb3d813a71f64bc3e

http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/e977b3ba1a9bee5e6f1d1164f75a7e1ab3f72607536934beb3d813a71f64bc3e

Different chains, different height. The bad fork is stuck around 202650 and the good fork is now around 202990

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September 04, 2014, 10:52:18 AM
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Pretty suspicious that he already knows how to solve this  Roll Eyes

trying to induce a brotherwar is far more suspicous.

it makes absolutely no sense to disrespect bbr from xmrs standpoint and vice versa - that is probably the only argument I share with james

i agree, insinuating that the devs of bbr had a hand in this attack is pretty low life with out any facts..

CZ is an excelent dev so it is not so hard to believe that he could find a solution so fast.

Stop strawmanning.

Quote from: CZ
So, i have time to calmly research the problem.

Thanks Smiley
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September 04, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
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Pretty suspicious that he already knows how to solve this  Roll Eyes

trying to induce a brotherwar is far more suspicous.

it makes absolutely no sense to disrespect bbr from xmrs standpoint and vice versa - that is probably the only argument I share with james

Nowhere he says he knows how to solve it. He just says he will watch the chain and implement a workaround if he sees suspicious acitivity aiming towards a fork.
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