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[defcoin]

Also I know it is dumb, but a PoD with CryptoAsian would be another great move towards brining a lot of attention to Node. Feel free to add to this if you feel it would be beneficial. The link to apply is in included at the end of this post if devs are interested. A trex add and and PoD together would bring this coin to the masses instantaneously.

[HunterMinerCrafter]

If anyone looking for transparency here the souce code of NODE:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/el8o6r4pdpi2zm1/nodecoin.zip?dl=0

This code is still obfuscated, though.

My de-obfuscated copy of the first release is at http://pastebin.com/a7JzU7kv and I've done some de-obfuscation of newer releases but it is not nearly as readable yet.  When I find time to finish my specialized inliner for it I'll make a new pastebin with more recent code made readable, as well.

Or they could just man up and release their source.  It is misguided to think javascript code can be usefully "closed" anyway.

[pracutian]

I also node.js developer

To say that "Node is bad" or other coins , everyone can

Make your coin on node.js and show us

I analyze  two projects (Crypti & Node) and gain experience to build your coins  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/el8o6r4pdpi2zm1/nodecoin.zip?dl=0

Your source encrypted.

Yes it's the original source, from tmp folder, I'm not say NODE is bad, but please if anybody make something, make it with passion. At least please package the source, it won't be ugly :

> https://github.com/rogerwang/node-webkit/wiki/How-to-package-and-distribute-your-apps#windows-1
> /wiki/How-to-package-and-distribute-your-apps#an-alternative-way-to-make-an-executable-file-in-windows

But I support NODEMONEY. I hope NODE's dev add repo / source code to public, so another nodejs dev can help.

[pracutian]

If anyone looking for transparency here the souce code of NODE:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/el8o6r4pdpi2zm1/nodecoin.zip?dl=0

This code is still obfuscated, though.

My de-obfuscated copy of the first release is at http://pastebin.com/a7JzU7kv and I've done some de-obfuscation of newer releases but it is not nearly as readable yet.  When I find time to finish my specialized inliner for it I'll make a new pastebin with more recent code made readable, as well.

Or they could just man up and release their source.  It is misguided to think javascript code can be usefully "closed" anyway.

Yes, I hope so, they release the source. btw, what is your deobfuscation tool?

[3x2]

I also node.js developer

To say that "Node is bad" or other coins , everyone can

Make your coin on node.js and show us

I analyze  two projects (Crypti & Node) and gain experience to build your coins  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/el8o6r4pdpi2zm1/nodecoin.zip?dl=0

Your source encrypted.

Yes it's the original source, from tmp folder, I'm not say NODE is bad, but please if anybody make something, make it with passion. At least please package the source, it won't be ugly :

> https://github.com/rogerwang/node-webkit/wiki/How-to-package-and-distribute-your-apps#windows-1
> cutable-file-in-windows]https[Suspicious link removed]cutable-file-in-windows

But I support NODEMONEY. I hope NODE's dev add repo / source code to public, so another nodejs dev can help.

Another DEV would be great, you should contact koop4u.

[pracutian]

where is the dev

[neo1947]

l smell scam.

[TheRealSilk]

I also node.js developer

To say that "Node is bad" or other coins , everyone can

Make your coin on node.js and show us

I analyze  two projects (Crypti & Node) and gain experience to build your coins  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/el8o6r4pdpi2zm1/nodecoin.zip?dl=0

Your source encrypted.

Yes it's the original source, from tmp folder, I'm not say NODE is bad, but please if anybody make something, make it with passion. At least please package the source, it won't be ugly :

> https://github.com/rogerwang/node-webkit/wiki/How-to-package-and-distribute-your-apps#windows-1
> /wiki/How-to-package-and-distribute-your-apps#an-alternative-way-to-make-an-executable-file-in-windows

But I support NODEMONEY. I hope NODE's dev add repo / source code to public, so another nodejs dev can help.

I have often repeated that the source will be published later

Nodewebkit for us is the best solution

[HunterMinerCrafter]

Yes, I hope so, they release the source. btw, what is your deobfuscation tool?

Javascript, itself! ;-)

Let's take a quick walk down CompSci Lane and look at specifically *why* javascript code cannot be meaningfully obfuscated.  Any programming language falls somewhere on the "lambda cube" which is a hierarchy of possible "type systems" or "logics" for the language.  We'll look at the five "main" vertices of the cube.  (There are actually 8 types of type systems possible, but the other three are "mostly uninteresting" variants of these, and are rarely used for languages.)

First, we have "Untyped lambda calculus" which encompass languages with no logical interpretation.  Code in such language is easily obfuscated as there is no logical constraint.

Then we have "Simply typed lambda calculus" which are languages presentable in an intuitionistic propositional logic.  Javascript is such a language.  These languages are not able to be obfuscated because they are always subject to metacircularity, meaning the language can always "evaluate itself."  Any code proposed to be obfuscated in such a language can be deobfuscated by simply running them under a "tracing" metacircular interpreter to recover the original logic.

Next we have the "polymorphic lambda calculus" which are languages presentable in second order logics, without first order quantifiers.  Such languages can be obfuscated by leveraging the polymorphic aspect to create a self-modifying type closure to break metacircularity.  (Lack of sigma representation precludes a full "existential analysis" via metacircularity.)

Then we get to the "Dependently typed lambda calculus" which are languages presentable in a fully general first order logic.  Such languages are interesting, with regard to obfuscation, in that they  can never fully represent their own interpretation.  In other words, you can never establish metacircularity to begin with, so you can get obfuscation "for free" as if the language were untyped, and by the same mechanisms.

Finally we have the "Calculus of constructions" also known as the "full lambda cube."  These are languages which are only presentable in a generalization of higher order logics.  These languages are a natural extension of dependently typed languages, and are obfuscated by the same means.

Phew, that is a lot of crazy science with a lot of even crazier terminology, but the concepts are actually pretty simply, and I encourage the interested reader to delve into wikipedia on this subject for better understanding.

The key take-away point is that javascript, being a simply typed lambda calculus, is the one type of language that cannot be meaningfully obfuscated!  In other words, the node developers are trying to run a (so far) closed source project using the one type of programming language in which you cannot close the source.  I am always highly curious about this strange sort of behavior.




(McCarthy is my hero)

[Jaguar0625]

I was pressing for details about NEM's fast exchange they keep talking about and was personally attacked in the NEM forum and that wasn't the first time either.

I'm sorry if you got attacked in the NEM forum. Regarding the fast exchange, there aren't any details about it. It's something that one of the community members (rockethead) and at least one of the developers (makoto) are planning to work on post-NEM release. But, it hasn't been designed yet as far as I know.

I also don't want instigate a fight between the NEM and NODE community. Just get along .

[fox19891989]

Hi, do you need whitepaper English-Chinese translation? I helped XCR team to translate the whitepaper.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759494  Here is my translation service post, check it!

If you need, plz PM me

[michaelsss]

yes ,its necessary to enlarge the dev team to catch up with NXT but not follow it

[Hueristic]

then there are threads that I follow like BTCD/NEM/BBR where technical discussions are often taking place. these are the coins with the greatest potential because the community questions the developers and this provides a transparency to what the devs are doing. Here, this is the total opposite. Devs are quiet and hard to understand. 70% of posts are "to the moon" type.

if this coin falls, it is because of the weak community that calls FUD/troll when people ask questions about the project. this cannot continue to happen if node is going to succeed.

i hope the community understands what i am saying

I think visual111 hit the nail on the head.

Transparency.

That's what is lacking with the developers of Node.

Oh boy, Visual111 sure did hit the nail on the head! You two should be cryptocurrency consultants or something.

Transparency is definitely lacking! For goodness sake, the Node devs haven't posted an update on this thread in 5 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!

And where is the whitepaper and roadmap? Oh wait...

TLDR version:

You are an imbecile.

Nah, more like "Agenda". got Inst-ignored.

[pracutian]

Yes, I hope so, they release the source. btw, what is your deobfuscation tool?

Javascript, itself! ;-)

Let's take a quick walk down CompSci Lane and look at specifically *why* javascript code cannot be meaningfully obfuscated.  Any programming language falls somewhere on the "lambda cube" which is a hierarchy of possible "type systems" or "logics" for the language.  We'll look at the five "main" vertices of the cube.  (There are actually 8 types of type systems possible, but the other three are "mostly uninteresting" variants of these, and are rarely used for languages.)

First, we have "Untyped lambda calculus" which encompass languages with no logical interpretation.  Code in such language is easily obfuscated as there is no logical constraint.

Then we have "Simply typed lambda calculus" which are languages presentable in an intuitionistic propositional logic.  Javascript is such a language.  These languages are not able to be obfuscated because they are always subject to metacircularity, meaning the language can always "evaluate itself."  Any code proposed to be obfuscated in such a language can be deobfuscated by simply running them under a "tracing" metacircular interpreter to recover the original logic.

Next we have the "polymorphic lambda calculus" which are languages presentable in second order logics, without first order quantifiers.  Such languages can be obfuscated by leveraging the polymorphic aspect to create a self-modifying type closure to break metacircularity.  (Lack of sigma representation precludes a full "existential analysis" via metacircularity.)

Then we get to the "Dependently typed lambda calculus" which are languages presentable in a fully general first order logic.  Such languages are interesting, with regard to obfuscation, in that they  can never fully represent their own interpretation.  In other words, you can never establish metacircularity to begin with, so you can get obfuscation "for free" as if the language were untyped, and by the same mechanisms.

Finally we have the "Calculus of constructions" also known as the "full lambda cube."  These are languages which are only presentable in a generalization of higher order logics.  These languages are a natural extension of dependently typed languages, and are obfuscated by the same means.

Phew, that is a lot of crazy science with a lot of even crazier terminology, but the concepts are actually pretty simply, and I encourage the interested reader to delve into wikipedia on this subject for better understanding.

The key take-away point is that javascript, being a simply typed lambda calculus, is the one type of language that cannot be meaningfully obfuscated!  In other words, the node developers are trying to run a (so far) closed source project using the one type of programming language in which you cannot close the source.  I am always highly curious about this strange sort of behavior.

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(McCarthy is my hero)

if you do it manually you're absolutely genius geek man , I don't have time for that

[TaunSew]

NODE price is falling and the developers have not be heard from in days.  

We still haven't heard from like 90% of the development team, only two people ever post.

[aulonocara]

NODE price is falling and the developers have not be heard from in days.   

I'm all for a little bit of FUD every now and again, but I am getting sick of your lies. If you want to foster doubt over a valid concern go for it, but resorting to complete fabrications really should be a bannable offence. Fuck off you dumb cunt.

[TaunSew]

NODE price is falling and the developers have not be heard from in days.  

I'm all for a little bit of FUD every now and again, but I am getting sick of your lies. If you want to foster doubt over a valid concern go for it, but resorting to complete fabrications really should be a bannable offence. Fuck off you dumb cunt.

NXTL development team - updated!
SkillRoad: The MasterMind
- 5 years Java - J2EE, Core Java development experience ;
- J2EE programming experience, including Servlets, JSP, Web services;
- 5 years PL/SQL Development;
- 5 years Enterprise Java, EJB, Spring, HTML, Javascript;
- 3 years Hibernate;
- Funny Guy;
- Love Puppies xD

Mleekko - J2EE dev for 2 years

Helen85(part-time student) Intern
- Copyright analyst;
- NXT L Member relationship manager!
- Single;

Rooney(not on the forum)
- 3 years of experience using JAVASCRIPT as a primary language;
- Strong OOP Development Skills
- Experience with RESTful / XML and WebServices
- Experience with C# MVC or Google Closure Compiler and Node.js
- Experienced with SQL, HTML
- Extremely Experienced with the INTERNET xD
- Loves WOW!

Raquel(anonymous)
- Languages: JavaScript, HTML5, CSS3, C, C++, Python, MATLAB
- Platforms: Node.js, WordPress
- Databases: MongoDB, MySQL
- APIs: Storify, Twitter, Typekit, Stripe
- Systems Experience: Mac, Linux, Windows Family
- Social Media: Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Google+, WordPress

Who are these people and how come we never hear from them?

Declining NODE price is a reflection of confidence, imo.

[aulonocara]

You heard from one of them less than 12 hours ago, yet you claim they haven't been here for days. Get back under your bridge!

[Depredation]

You heard from one of them less than 12 hours ago, yet you claim they haven't been here for days. Get back under your bridge!

1 hour = 12 hours in crypto world

[TaunSew]

When will there be promotion on VK?