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[whitecloud]

node religion 
certainly are issues that devs need to be overcome.
but still do not think it's trivial problems, as you've called you.

[jwilford]

But in a pulsing network where nodes come and go in a high number

Lets talk facts, not fantasies.   
What is the number of nodes now? 
How it will be possible to grow this number to your "pulsing high number"? btw, what number is it? 

1 main node would be enough to run a network with 10,000 clients.

And all they will stuck if something wrong happens with that 1? 

What I'm about to say has a lot of speculation so take it with a grain of salt.

My understanding of how it works is it's like a cue. People who join the network become leading nodes. When the maximum amount of leading nodes are present, new nodes attach to the leading nodes forming an "outer network" as leading nodes drop off the outer network fills their spot. This would also explain some of how the PoA works. The reason your time online is important is to determine if you are a leading node or on the outer network. I would then also assume when a leading node forges it moves to the outer network. If this is the case it would make transaction gaming even harder since you would have to forge a block then wait till you were a leading node again to start gaming, the whole time loosing transaction fees. Again this is what I have interpreted and extrapolated from what has been said but there is a lot of speculation in this. Either way it has been stated that outer nodes can and do take over for leading nodes and I can see no reason why the network would allow itself to have 1 leading node and 10,000 outer node if the outer nodes could simply become leading nodes.

[TheRealSilk]

And all they will stuck if something wrong happens with that 1?  

The network does not 1 main peers , their number can be unlimited
I say that 1 main peers conected from 10 000 to 100 000 connection. If you run the client on Linux through the key (example: forever start index.js -key:mainpeer) then you may be the main peer , then win all clients will connect to You and to other peers (win, linux), and if Your client will not work this does not affect the network. Because the other main peers will work

Why it works?
Because this transaction is transmitted instantaneously through a network of first and second level. Thereby this enables you to keep in touch with just a few clients, and Your transaction will be across the entire network through 2-10 open connection by technology node.js

[whitecloud]

Too little information at this time about how the network actually works.
And as I said, I understand why it is so.
And as I said, I am confident that the developers know what they do.
The rest is speculations.

[Nodeclub]

Oh, so to put down the whole network one should simply ddos only main nodes?

No, How can You imagine this
Any Linux client can be main peers,
for the operation of network 100% us enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers
we also wrote 10 000 connection, actually on technology node.js withstands over 100 000 connection

Oh, again strange answers.  
You say "Any Linux client can be main peers" - it means Any Linux client can be or cannot be main peers - so it means nothing.  
You say "for the operation of network 100% is enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers" - so it means to shut down the whole network one  should simply ddos only 1 main peer, 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers - so answer to my question is "Yes", not "No"  

BTW, can NODE network consist of 10000 main peers and 1 non main peer? Or non main peers must always be 10x, 100x of main peers?  

We are not yet ready to disclose algorithms but I can responsibly say that it will be technologically impossible to ddos main peers in NODE NET - however as well as usual peers btw

[sava0123]

If someone thinks he can ddos network then why don't he do it? And prove it to everybody? I can even name main peers for him.

Just empy talk as always.

[fedoralite]

I bought stakes, I bought nodes with 115, 80, 30, 70.
I don't sold even 1 NODE so far.
Keep it low to have time to buy more!  
Timeframe: 6 months +

I'll hold the coins during the year

[Nodeclub]

If someone thinks he can ddos network then why don't he do it? And prove it to everybody? I can even name main peers for him.

Just empy talk as always.

Some guys tried to do this before and some newcomers come from time to time. The result is always the same
They know all about it, and I think we could use them as experts in the NodeNet security issue, but unfortunately they never leave contacts  

[jwilford]

Some guys tried to do this before and some newcomers come from time to time. They know all about it, and I think we could use them as experts in the NODENET security issue, but unfortunately they never leave contacts  

I'm not completely clear on what you are saying. Are you saying they tried and failed or tried and succeeded? also do you just know from the network logs or did they contact you and tell you?

[sava0123]

Some guys tried to do this before and some newcomers come from time to time. They know all about it, and I think we could use them as experts in the NODENET security issue, but unfortunately they never leave contacts  

I'm not completely clear on what you are saying. Are you saying they tried and failed or tried and succeeded? also do you just know from the network logs or did they contact you and tell you?

I spamed txs myself. No effect to the network.

Also saw other guy who sent 300 transactions in one block. Same result.

[starik69]

if the outer nodes could simply become leading nodes.

So the key point may be the algo of how leading nodes are chosen? 

If you run the client on Linux through the key (example: forever start index.js -key:mainpeer) then you may be the main peer

What exactly i need to place as "mainpeer" now? Passphrase to account with >500k NODE or what?

We are not yet ready to disclose algorithms but I can responsibly say that it will be technologically impossible to ddos main peers in NODE NET - however as well as usual peers btw

Oh, nice. Built in ddos protection.  But i think it may protect only from ddos  from inside NODE network but not general ddos

I spamed txs myself. No effect to the network.

Also saw other guy who sent 300 transactions in one block. Same result.

Oh, my!
You are the greatest ddos expert i ever know

[whitecloud]

if the outer nodes could simply become leading nodes.

So the key point may be the algo of how leading nodes are chosen?  

If you run the client on Linux through the key (example: forever start index.js -key:mainpeer) then you may be the main peer

What exactly i need to place as "mainpeer" now? Passphrase to account with >500k NODE or what?

We are not yet ready to disclose algorithms but I can responsibly say that it will be technologically impossible to ddos main peers in NODE NET - however as well as usual peers btw

Oh, nice. Built in ddos protection.   But i think it may protect only from ddos  from inside NODE network but not general ddos

I spamed txs myself. No effect to the network.

Also saw other guy who sent 300 transactions in one block. Same result.

Oh, my!
You are the greatest ddos expert i ever know

sava0123 has made an invitation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590421.msg9709254#msg9709254
Maybe you know more and make a good showing some weakness.
Prove or stop talking nonsense!

[sava0123]

starik is too old 

he can't distinguish spamming transactions and ddos anymore 

[SydorFunk]

The earlier NODE clients had no anti-spam features.  You were able to download any script or macro creator and send out unlimited transactions from a single open client.  A lot of people were doing it thinking it would improve their PoA.
 
Bitcoin only has 80.000 to 100.000 transactions in a day and it's possible NODE may have had more transactions during this PoA spam.

[TheRealSilk]

Some guys tried to do this before and some newcomers come from time to time. They know all about it, and I think we could use them as experts in the NODENET security issue, but unfortunately they never leave contacts  

I'm not completely clear on what you are saying. Are you saying they tried and failed or tried and succeeded? also do you just know from the network logs or did they contact you and tell you?

We are regularly checking the stability of NodeNet and simulating different situations and problems, but sometimes some mysterious guys are trying to "help" us.

As I said, we have the tools to monitor NodeNet activity, and I can say that at the present stage of beta Network has enough tools to protect itself.

However, our task is to find the weaknesses in our defense, to check it for errors, stability, PoA algorithms etc. Node is still youngster so before going out into the Big World, we should be strong.

So we welcome all the "extra testers" and invite them to work harder and to be creative  

[Nodeclub]

We are not yet ready to disclose algorithms but I can responsibly say that it will be technologically impossible to ddos main peers in NODE NET - however as well as usual peers btw

Oh, nice. Built in ddos protection.  But i think it may protect only from ddos  from inside NODE network but not general ddos

I don't know what you mean by "external attacks" in the case of a distributed network of our size with a clear limitation of requests & response packets, but generally speaking, ddos is impossible without overflowing of the bandwidth. I have no idea how you can overflow it at our architecture, but you need to try!  If you succeed all the Node Community will be grateful to you in advance 

[TheRealSilk]

a forum admin is going on a node thread post deletion spree.. ~10 of my posts from this thread just got deleted..

Sorry, we have removed this
TauSew and other,
a little overdone.

[whitecloud]

a forum admin is going on a node thread post deletion spree.. ~10 of my posts from this thread just got deleted..

Sorry, we have removed this

it was happened to me earlier
just curious: why ?

[TheRealSilk]

it was happened to me earlier
just curios: why ?

we did not want, we started with TaunSew and other
We will create rules

[fedoralite]

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