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May 19, 2014, 10:40:04 PM |
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the people being shot are Ukraines?
Yep, at least the most of them. There were some georgians, belarusians and russians too. Yats & co should prepare themselves for tribunal... Their illusion of power wouldn't keep them from punishment. |
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May 19, 2014, 10:48:11 PM |
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Balthazar you live in Ukraine?
I have a business contacts, but I'm not living there anymore.  |
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May 19, 2014, 10:58:20 PM
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These are crimes against Humanity...The worst acts a human can do against another human.
It's a business. "Somebody" need to develop a shale gas deposits, but it seems that fracking will be banned soon in the US & EU due to ecological problems. So "they" want to take control over the country with rich shale gas deposits and absence of strong ecological movement. |
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r34tr783tr78
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May 19, 2014, 11:24:49 PM |
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The Ukrainians are in no position to start cleaning ethnic Russians from their territory, even if some of them deserve it.
That would alienate western support and could be invoked by Russia to make another armed intervention, this time with the silence of the rest of the world (not that the world has done much about Crimeia).
Play like Serbia on 1999 and you can end like it, losing another Kosovo.
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247crypto (OP)
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May 19, 2014, 11:35:00 PM |
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247Crypto you Live in Ukraine and i live in the U.S. can you Explain to me why Russia is doing all this? We have the News here but i don't trust the American news We read about How bad Putin is and strategies as to why he is doing it.
From a Ukrainian View like yourself you must know why Russia/putin is doing this...Is it for Land,Power,Resources? Why?
I live in EU, and i'm ethnic Russian. You need explore some hystory of "Ukraine" and see the map and ethnic concentrations. 1. There is a strong anti neo nazi movement, and it is by both sides supported, by russian speaking ukrainian and by ukrainian speaking ukrainians. I think no one in US TV not explain to you slogans of ukrainian neo nazi about "kill all Russians". 2. People in Russian Federation watch with attention on Genocide of Russian speaking in Ukraine. 3. Locals will wait not more on military help from UN, and take power trough referendum. Here are some news from first hands: http://rusvesna.su/englishhttps://www.youtube.com/user/gwplondon/videos |
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247crypto (OP)
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May 19, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
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The Ukrainians are in no position to start cleaning ethnic Russians from their territory, even if some of them deserve it.
Listen please text in topic start. |
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r34tr783tr78
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May 20, 2014, 12:12:53 AM |
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I was talking about the mass expulsion of albanians from Kosovo (of course, the major part of them had nothing to do with albanians terrorists) after the NATO bombing started. A wrong (the bombing) doesn't justify a massive wrong against all people. I have serious doubts that Serbia used excessive force before the bombing started.
On the ethnic Russians in Ukraine, I understand their desire to unite with Russia and their suspicions on the new Ukrainian government, but they started picking up arms (with the help of some coming from Crimea, I don't know armed by whom: Russia?) before serious problems started.
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247crypto (OP)
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May 20, 2014, 12:44:55 AM
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"the mass expulsion of albanians from Kosovo"
How about mass illegal immigration from Albania to Kosovo? Exploding Churches, offering place to bases of Al-Qaeda In Albania? If You will, you find all about episode of shooting on Serbian police cars. Confront russian and english version on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C4%8Dak_massacreAbout Russians in Ukraine - they will not die from hands of neo nazi and are resisting on operation, that is planned for pushing out Russians or killing them, and it is pronounced by armed "Ukrainians", see topic start. Armed by whom? You have no info about in Your TV and News? Watch please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUtBuRlcYI8 Ukrainian army and police and special forces give Kalashnikov and other weapons in many other episodes. In Solntsedar is huge (HUGE) arsenal in hand of Donetsk Repulic. WW2 anti tank gun  |
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r34tr783tr78
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May 20, 2014, 01:51:47 AM |
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Human rights watch writes that the Serbians expelled more than 800,000 ethnic Albanians from Kosovo in 1999, after the bombing started ( http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword.htm). If you think this was justified on "illegal immigration" or even on terrorism by a minority of albanians, well, I wonder if you think your position is reasonable... but forget about it, no point debating this issue. I have little doubt that the KLA did terrorist attacks against serbian civilians and ethnic albanians considerer as "traitors", much worst than its attacks against the special Serbian police. No use posting videos in russian, I can't understand a thing. Are you saying that the Ukrainian Government armed the ethnic Russians on Crimea? I have no personal interest in the conflict. Since I'm aware western press hasn't been fair on Russia on this issue, I'm willing to read other versions, but only with some factual support. |
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May 20, 2014, 02:05:11 AM |
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I was talking about the mass expulsion of albanians from Kosovo (of course, the major part of them had nothing to do with albanians terrorists) after the NATO bombing started. Only a small portion of the Albanians decided to flee from Kosovo (most of them family members of the KLA terrorists). Compare that to the Serbs, who lost more than 80% of their population. There was no mass expulsion of Albanians. The only mass expulsion which happened in Kosovo was for the ethnic Serbs and other minorities such as the Roma. |
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r34tr783tr78
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May 20, 2014, 02:31:06 AM |
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I guess you most have a more reliable source about that surprising new version of the facts you wrote about than the one I just quoted above, Human Rights Watch.
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247crypto (OP)
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May 20, 2014, 02:41:28 AM |
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Human Rights Watch.
If You will, You can start some topic about Kosovo. |
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