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March 04, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
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If you wanted advertising, I managed to get a large community using it during a discussion of the dark net.

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March 06, 2012, 06:53:41 AM
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If you wanted advertising, I managed to get a large community using it during a discussion of the dark net.

Thanks! I'm happy to see the site referred along to anyone with an interest, and I think that discussion helped contribute to yesterday being the second-highest day of visits in the site's history.

(I'm taking other intentional promotion slowly, though, to ensure traffic doesn't outstrip the supply of tasks, my bitcoin payment reserves, or the serving systems. So far, so good!)

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March 08, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
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I did some 13 point relevancy tests and the system complained about a few of my choices, even though they were perfectly correct. Like, when searching for a cell phone a result was a plastic case. I categorized it as an accessory but the system told me that's wrong and that the cover is a perfect match (meaning it is the cell phone). In the end this caused my rating to drop below the minimum and barred me from doing more of these tasks although I always gave a short explanation every time.

Does anybody read those comments at all, or am I permanently blocked from this task now?

Also the system pays out too fast. I keep receiving tiny transfers but would prefer less, yet bigger ones instead. Or the payment trigger button that was suggested in the other thread.

Some tasks have a ridiculous low payment ("Categorize Twitter Users"). You're expected to do all sorts of searches to categorize each user and get only 1 point for 2 users.

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March 08, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
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I'm really excited about the potential for people in the third world to make decent livings doing coinworker. $1/hour isn't worth it in the States, but in Africa $1/hour is a decent living.

It would be nice though if there were varying jobs with different skillsets. That way people of assorted backgrounds and capabilities could do tasks that are more challenging. These are just tedious for westerners.

Plans for expansion?

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March 09, 2012, 09:51:14 AM
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Ran into another problem with a task. This time it's a 15 point offer for searching some casino on Google. The task asked if I found it on the first 5 result pages, which I did not. So I selected no and hit submit, but the task insisted I have to provide their phone number and visit the page. So I googled more to find the casino (tigercasino) and visited it. After adding their phone number the task still complains. I even went so far as to install their casino software in a virtual machine; still the task won't accept my submission.

To me it seems as if the higher paying tasks try their best to get a job done without paying for it simply by complaining about non-existent problems. I guess the task provider simply hopes that users won't go into a lengthy email discussion just to get a few cents, especially when the user has to deliver proof of his work.

If more such questionable tasks appear, users will quit working because of such hassles with the task provider.

Btw, is the "Contributor Id" listed in the help menu unique to a worker? So in case crowdflower acknowledges a complain and pays points to this id, will I receive the bitcoins for it?

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March 09, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
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Neat idea! Seems like a nice way to pass the time and get some BTC in the process. :3
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March 09, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
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I did some 13 point relevancy tests and the system complained about a few of my choices, even though they were perfectly correct. Like, when searching for a cell phone a result was a plastic case. I categorized it as an accessory but the system told me that's wrong and that the cover is a perfect match (meaning it is the cell phone). In the end this caused my rating to drop below the minimum and barred me from doing more of these tasks although I always gave a short explanation every time.

Does anybody read those comments at all, or am I permanently blocked from this task now?

I've had issues with some of the training tasks, also. All I can say is leave a brief 'incorrect or unfair' comment and move on to other jobs/tasks.

I have noticed jobs that were rough at first -- with unclear instructions, super-low points, dubious training data, difficult interfaces, or glitches/blanks in actual work data -- come back later with improvements or even higher payment rates. So whenever something is confusing or disqualifying workers, there are incentives for that to be fixed.

Sometimes either time or a reformulation of the job lets previously disqualified workers back in, so you can keep checking back if the job is otherwise of interest.

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Also the system pays out too fast. I keep receiving tiny transfers but would prefer less, yet bigger ones instead. Or the payment trigger button that was suggested in the other thread.

That's been the top feedback recently and new options for fewer larger payments are coming soon.

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March 09, 2012, 06:36:02 PM
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I'm really excited about the potential for people in the third world to make decent livings doing coinworker. $1/hour isn't worth it in the States, but in Africa $1/hour is a decent living.

It would be nice though if there were varying jobs with different skillsets. That way people of assorted backgrounds and capabilities could do tasks that are more challenging. These are just tedious for westerners.

Plans for expansion?

Different tasks can be shown per region, though I haven't yet noticed tasks that were clearly targeted for lower-income regions.

The task-assignment back-end from CrowdFlower can definitely track worker histories, and show special rates or tasks just to some workers, so future targeting based on preferences/aptitudes/qualifications is likely.

I, too, would really like to see uptake in places where these rates could make a big difference for people. So far, though, the most traffic appears to have been from North America/Europe/Australia... probably because of general trends in bitcoin awareness. Also, many of the tasks require not just fluency in English but also some familiarity with the digital/commercial culture of wealthy countries.

But, the whole field of microtask crowdsourcing is still fairly young and I expect a broadening of the task-types and contributor base over time, as everyone gradually adjusts to what's possible.

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March 13, 2012, 10:53:40 AM
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I love this project!
I am sure we need to get China, Africa and the like onboard for Bitcoin to unfold its full potential.
This is a brilliant idea to step in there!

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March 13, 2012, 09:49:24 PM
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I've had to add a registration/login requirement and clearer terms of service to deal with some abuse.

Once registered, if you're sure to do your *first* work as a registered user with a preferred address/extended-address you've used before, your worker history/reputation will carry over to your login account.

I'm sure I'll need to iron out some bugs from this transition, but it then should be easier to set a personal preference on pay-frequency/thresholds.

Please let me know any glitches or problems you see (separate from those that need to be reported direct to task authors). Thanks!

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March 13, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
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Does this mean more/better tasks or is it irrelevant?

I mean, is it some requirement from CrowdFlower, or just to discourage misuse?

Btw, congrats and keep up the good work  Smiley


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March 14, 2012, 01:41:17 AM
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What kind of abuse were you getting?

Unfortunate you had to move to an account-based system, makes it less attractive to new-commers (easier to start right off the bat than to register an account) but I figured you would need to change your policy at some point.

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March 14, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
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What kind of abuse were you getting?

Unfortunate you had to move to an account-based system, makes it less attractive to new-commers (easier to start right off the bat than to register an account) but I figured you would need to change your policy at some point.

I'd rather not be too specific, but in general, the projects that want the tasks performed need attentive, independent, conscientious workers. If instead they're getting anything else, they'll go elsewhere with their tasks.

Does this mean more/better tasks or is it irrelevant?

It's not automatic; it's long-term. The whole field of offering these sorts of microtasks is fairly young. If crowdsourcing, or specific crowdsourcing to one community (like those interested in bitcoin payments), gathers good input for task-providers, then it will grow. If it doesn't result in quality input, it will shrink.

The registration requirement may not mean any immediate improvement in task variety -- but combined with other practices over time should make CoinWorker into a more reliable/assessable pool of workers, which can only help.

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March 14, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
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Hey, just wanted to point out a minor bug with login--the username is case-sensitive, so if I enter my username without a capital V I can't log in.

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March 14, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
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Amazing service. I wouldn't be surprised if this became huge! Good luck WargeGeoshington

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March 15, 2012, 03:13:47 AM
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I have changed my opinion.

There are some problematic tasks, but other tasks works very well and I have earned some money.
I'm happy with this service. Smiley
Is not much money, but.. there are cheap Bitcoin services that I could purchase with these coins.

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IMHO this service is just a scam.
I recommend You to avoid this lost of time.

I have tried to identify it a image has a large text:

There is a watermark made by camera and I have marked "This image has small text and watermarks overlayed on the image".

But It says that the correct answer was "This image has no text obstructing or over the image".

The reason for this is: "This image does not contain any text, and should be scored "No Text". If this is confusing please review the instructions and example images or reply with feedback. Thank you."

Thank you? This was ironic?

I can't do more work on this task. Angry

I don't say what I think about your service, because I could break the forum rules. Good bye. Angry

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March 15, 2012, 03:44:14 AM
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But It says that the correct answer was "This image has no text obstructing or over the image".

I don't have control over the task design or training data. I have noticed that some jobs, especially when they are new, can have broken training steps, or unclear directions. Sometimes they improve over time, so it's best to just give quick feedback and move on to tasks which make more sense to you.

On training data you can tick the 'incorrect or unfair' button and leave a small note.  On other tasks you can use the 'Help' -> 'Feedback' link available from the top-right, and incude the 7-digit 'contributor ID' and email if you want a response.

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March 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
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Very nice service, i'll be using it alot Smiley
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March 15, 2012, 01:35:43 PM
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interesting concept; as others have said running this in third world can give them the potential for $4-6 per hour "wages" which is very good.
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March 15, 2012, 04:30:57 PM
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Some advice to tag ambiguous images (I post the correct answers).
I hope that I can help you to avoid these "traps".
Maybe, we could try to create a collection of "traps", and help new users to avoid them.

If You find a trap, You can post It here. If You use Firefox, You can click on the "favicon" ( placed at the URL bar), click in "more info" and click in "media". Now, scroll the list until the ambiguous image appears. Copy their URL and place it here between IMG tags.

Product text:
---> Product?, a service logo? I don't know what It is. Angry I marked "large text", because It is red and big.

Small text:


No text:
---> These phones have text over them!!! Angry Angry
---> I can read Nintendo 64. Angry

Small text or no text:
---> It looks like a book title! Angry

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