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January 23, 2012, 12:41:36 AM
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(This would be a Project Development post if I wasn't in Newbie Jail!)

I've made a new service where anyone can earn bitcoin in the web browser. You enter your payment address, perform some analytic tasks that a paying company needs completed, and receive bitcoin as a reward soon afterward. (Minutes, when all is working.)

You could think of it as mining with your own mind, rather than a GPU.

http://CoinWorker.com

I'd love it if people could bang on it and let me know what they think. Thanks!

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January 23, 2012, 12:57:40 AM
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This sounds really cool. It's like Amazon Mturk but with a much better payment system  Smiley I'll give it a shot when I set up my secure wallet.
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January 23, 2012, 01:02:38 PM
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I love this idea.Just entered by BTC address and no tasks yet.Maybe there needs to be a way where we can keep a steady stream of tasks (by creating a backlog maybe) so that more people like myself can try this at a time when I'm available (different time zones are an issue for me as I'm in UK ,the site is based overseas).


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January 23, 2012, 02:04:00 PM
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When there will be tasks available?
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January 23, 2012, 04:15:03 PM
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This is indeed a cool service, not only for people who need tasks done, but also for people looking to earn some BTC.

Keep up the good work Smiley

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Cool. Is it possible to submit work?

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January 23, 2012, 06:17:13 PM
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This is a great idea, and for the most part this service is executed very well. My only complaint is that some of the test questions are a little off in their accuracy. Though maybe you don't have any control over that? Either way congrats on getting this off the ground. I can't wait for it to get more traffic!
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January 23, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
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Thanks to all who've tried it and commented!

Sorry about the limited number and variety of tasks; I don't have direct control over them. They come via a San Francisco-based company called CrowdFlower that specializes in crowdsourcing.

During my own testing, there were often times where there were 3 different tasks on offer, with many thousands of tasks in each, so I expect the variety will again improve soon. There is also the potential for tasks in other languages. (At one point, the only tasks available were in German, which I don't speak.  Sad )

If you wanted to provide paid-tasks, for now you'd talk to CrowdFlower and pay them with traditional currencies. Then your tasks would be sent out through their network of channel sites, of which my CoinWorker is only one. I don't know if they let task-providers narrow the target-communities for their tasks... they might.  (If you wanted to provide tasks and pay in bitcoin, that'd require a bunch more custom work... maybe someday!)

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January 23, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
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It would be truly awesome if we could submit work directly to you, to target Bitcoin users. And offcourse pay with bitcoins.

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January 23, 2012, 11:30:43 PM
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Good idea, I'll give it a crack

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January 24, 2012, 05:38:50 AM
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There are no tasks  Huh
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January 24, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
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So sorry we're out of tasks!

I hope that will change by tomorrow. In the meantime I've added an indicator on the homepage -- both top-right of header and just before the address-entry area -- to warn when there are no tasks available.

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January 25, 2012, 12:38:23 AM
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Yay, a task finished. However, the reward for the only task there is right now is really low, only 0.008 BTC for finding the website and FB pages of 9 organizations.
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January 25, 2012, 09:24:37 AM
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Watching the available tasks through the period of my own internal testing, 5 points (currently ≈0.008btc at 6.25usd/btc) is the lowest I've seen offered.

I've most often seen 15 points (≈0.024btc), with occasional 22 points (≈0.0035btc) or 31 points (0.049btc) tasks.

Supposedly, acquiring a strong track record may make an individual identity eligible for bonuses and higher-value tasks, but my experience with the task source isn't long enough to even know what that would look like, to a CoinWorker.

One interesting task I saw earlier, that hasn't recurred in a while, was a bit like the local-search-results-assessment, but for e-commerce searches (with product photos) within certain product categories.

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January 25, 2012, 05:53:53 PM
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I did one of those 5 point jobs last night.. let's just say I'm not giving up my day job yet  Wink

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February 01, 2012, 06:55:57 PM
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Gotta get some more jobs! This is a great service. I made over 1.4 BTC in about an hour when it first came out, doing the local search engine rating thingy. Besides, that was actually pretty fun to do.

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February 04, 2012, 12:58:08 AM
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It turns out I'm still in a limited-trial mode with the task-provider. So, there's hope of a more-reliable volume and variety of tasks in the future.

I'm working on the next steps and will update this thread when there's more info -- or new tasks of any kind!

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February 04, 2012, 03:55:24 AM
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interesting concept
cant wait to give it a try after you get some new tasks.
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February 07, 2012, 09:00:41 AM
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New 5-point tasks are available: "Search for Official Websites and Facebook Pages Groups In The U.S.A."

No word yet on a greater variety of tasks.

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And now, more 22-point tasks are available: "How relevant/satisfactory are these search engine results?"

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February 08, 2012, 09:12:19 AM
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And now, more 22-point tasks are available: "How relevant/satisfactory are these search engine results?"

Just tried this. After more than 1 hour, the status is showing up as paid, but in the txid link it's showing up as an Error: "No such transaction".
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Update: After 2 hours, problem seems fixed.

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February 08, 2012, 11:40:28 AM
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Just tried this. After more than 1 hour, the status is showing up as paid, but in the txid link it's showing up as an Error: "No such transaction".
http://coinworker.com/activity/1j9edpsfBUrA12oNa8x1KzbRtGP9zphHf

Update: After 2 hours, problem seems fixed.

The payment machine today started suffering from an intermittently flaky net connection, which can both slow the recognition of the amount due, and the bitcoin-propagation of the payment transaction.

FYI, even when all is well, the bitcoin txid appears at CoinWorker.com as soon as the transaction is composed and offered to peers. It will usually be an additional few minutes before it appears at any third-party log (like blockexplorer.com or blockchain.info), and then perhaps even tens of minutes more before it lands in a block.

Still, any 2 hour delay was almost certainly a result of some new net problems here, and I'll be working on smoothing those out tomorrow. (In the event of delays of any length, we'll catch up in a batch when all's fixed.)

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Keep up the good work! Really like this site, but you definitely need a larger variety of tasks which I know crowdflower currently offers.

Are you familiar with Swagbucks?
They have a tasks section that comes from crowdflower and there are 15+ different tasks currently available.
CoinWorker would be a lot more competitive if it could offer those tasks.

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February 09, 2012, 08:59:03 PM
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Keep up the good work! Really like this site, but you definitely need a larger variety of tasks which I know crowdflower currently offers.

Are you familiar with Swagbucks?
They have a tasks section that comes from crowdflower and there are 15+ different tasks currently available.
CoinWorker would be a lot more competitive if it could offer those tasks.

Thanks! I didn't know Swagbucks, thanks for the pointer.

Based on discussions with CrowdFlower I am hopeful that I can eventually offer the larger collection of tasks, but it's too early to say when that could happen.

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Made 1 BTC in about an hour. Not bad. Too bad no tasks at this moment I had some spare time.
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February 12, 2012, 11:00:58 PM
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Just want to say that this is an amazing product/service! It's really easy to use, time-efficient (Clocked in over 2 BTC with just over an hour and a half of work), and fun seeing your balance update in real-time. Great work, Warge, this project has some great promise.

The only roadblock (aside from underexposure, easily fixed) I see for this service is the shortage of work, such as the recent 18hr+ shortage (which I understand isn't your fault, Warge, but simply crowdflower doesn't provide jobs on a regular basis), which would hopefully improve as you get to be a longer customer with crowdflower and get more hits on your website.

Just as you use a CrowdFlower API to pull jobs and display them, I see at least a niche in the market for your own API. So far, your product seems pretty unique, no other mTurk-type work with BitCoin payout that I know (although I have heard of one proposed on another forum), meaning you might be able to capitalize on your own API, for people to embed in websites for donations, etc. (Such as embedded in a website for a gaming server that a player can log onto and drop a few minutes mining 0.1 bit coins as a server donation instead of spending real money) although I have no idea how possible this is being that you are already pulling from a proprietary API yourself. Just an idea.

As well, I noticed your website doesn't have too good of SEO (a search for CoinWorker on google has irrelevant results before your actual website, and BitCoin-related searches don't pull up your website.) Getting some better SEO may prove very beneficial, helping this awesome project go main-stream.

While this doesn't really currently work for a steady income, it is great to pick up some spending cash (especially when coupled with services to buy steam games with BitCoins), and might be marketed in such a way to entice people who would like to, for example, beef up their gaming library (if you are going to consider buying and placing advertisements) or buy some music online.

As well, it's awesome your keeping up with your growing community on Twitter, helps a lot to be able to ask/communicate directly with a developer.

A quick bug with your system (only a problem for people who don't quite get it) your system doesn't check on submission of a BitCoin address whether it is malformed or not (might want to at least check to make sure it is 34 characters) as a user can unwittingly enter a real address, name, or something else without receiving an error about their submitted "address".

The UI feels polished and works nicely, anyone should be able to figure out what to do quite quickly, very good for a website aimed at more of a general audience.

I agree with Vitality:
Are you familiar with Swagbucks?
They have a tasks section that comes from crowd flower and there are 15+ different tasks currently available.
CoinWorker would be a lot more competitive if it could offer those tasks.

Swagbucks (and many other sites, for that matter) offer a lot more tasks and options, again I don't know how crowd flower distribution works, perhaps it's based on how many tasks have been completed through you before? Anyhow, if you have any control over the tasks that you have on your website, of course the more the better, and all with good time I'm sure they'll arrive Smiley.


At any rate, awesome service, awesome site, and very few bugs of any sort.
Keep up the good work! Really like this site, but you definitely need a larger variety of tasks which I know crowdflower currently offers.

Are you familiar with Swagbucks?
They have a tasks section that comes from crowdflower and there are 15+ different tasks currently available.
CoinWorker would be a lot more competitive if it could offer those tasks.


Also wanted to say, to deal with the inherent problem with startups of underexposure, might want to put this on the bitcoin wiki (under something like earning or mining) just as simply a helpful inclusion to the growing list of other services (most very inefficient for earning).

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How often do these tasks update, and what time is it, normally?

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ok, it's out of task at the moment, but how do you define the points per task?

what stop people from answering all your tasks, i see the recent coinworking all used the same btc address?
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Thanks for the encouraging words!

@Vorksholk, I believe the main reason for the limited number/variety of tasks is that I'm still in a testing/development status with the task provider (CrowdFlower). I'm a bit different from their usual partners, so it may take a while (and even some adjustments to the service) to access the full variety of tasks. But when that's achieved, there should be a relatively nonstop (and diverse) collection of tasks to choose from.

I am totally in tune with the idea of this being a way for other sites to assess a small 'toll'/donation on people before registering/proceeding. In fact, that was part of the genesis for the whole idea: for another site, I wanted a sort of 'super-CAPTCHA' that would mean people had to put a samll amount of real money/effort into things before becoming a full registrant, so that they couldn't create mischief throwaway accounts. But, I didn't want the whole overhead of (for example) credit card charges/chargebacks/etc. The ideas of -- (1) requiring bitcoin; and (2) giving people who didn't have bitcoin a way to get it -- flowed from that need.

So I would love to see websites that say, "your account will be active once address 1################## receives 0.2btc" -- and if someone doesn't have BTC handy, because in all honesty getting your first BTC is somewhat challenging -- they can come to CoinWorker.com and do 0.2btc worth of work to proceed.

I hear you on the SEO -- but all my potentially promotional/SEO activities are on hold until I'm sure I have a good flow of tasks. I don't want people's first experience to be "tasks not available", if I can help it. When that's solved, I'll be doing SEO and other promotion.

And, good point about malformed addresses. Fixing that with better validation is on my to-do list.

@'Player 3', it's currently unpredictable when new tasks become available. As noted above I hope when my status with the task back-end stabilizes, it will be rare for there to ever be no tasks. When I notice a long drought ends, I'll tweet it at the @CoinWorking account.

@boxbox10, the 'point values' are essentially $USD cents values from the entity that wants the tasks done, minus the CoinWorker commission (currently 10%, may vary). In the future, the point value might improve for more 'mature' worker addresses -- both I and the task provider benefit from long-lived addresses with stable reputations for quality work. Also, if I can manage exchange-rate risks, the tasks might be quoted in ' estimated mBTC'/milliBit (1/1000 BTC) values. (For example, a 22 point task would be instead "39 mBTC" at current exchange rates.) For now, I haven't done this because it's still easier for many people to think in $USD cents.

There's nothing to stop a fast efficient worker from answering all the tasks: the task-providers and I both want as much done, as quickly as possible, as long as it's done with due care and attention. So if you see (in the 'recent' log) one address, it means that one address has been continuously active while others have not.

Thanks again for all the feedback and CoinWorking!

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Question:  What percentage do you take for yourself?  I mean, the CrowdFlower site pays out in USD, right?  So you get paid in USD, and pay out BTC.  I'm just curious if you pay out the equivalent BTC amount exactly, or if you take a few % off the top.
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Question:  What percentage do you take for yourself?  I mean, the CrowdFlower site pays out in USD, right?  So you get paid in USD, and pay out BTC.  I'm just curious if you pay out the equivalent BTC amount exactly, or if you take a few % off the top.

he said ~10% in the lengthy reply above.
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Hey, is this website blocked in China or is 75.101.163.44 the wrong IP?  Huh
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@SgtSpike, as mentioned in my reply to boxbox10, CoinWorker is for now taking 10% off the amounts paid by the task provider.

That might change over time. For example, in order to reward long-lived reputations, the CoinWorker commission could go higher  for new unproven worker addresses, or go lower for addresses that establish a long history of consistent work. Similarly, if it becomes easier/less-volatile to convert USD->BTC, the commission could go down; if it becomes harder at large service volumes, it could go up.

At all times, the value to workers of tasks, in estimated BTC or USD-equivalent points, will be clearly declared before work on the task is started. Due to exchange volatility, it's only at the moment of payment that the points->BTC exchange rate is frozen.

(So for example, if for some reason my payment process were broken/lagged at the same time as a major exchange rate move, workers get the rate at the moment payments finally catch up. If there are delays in payment, it's because something got wedged or needed fixes/upgrade work... I'm not trying to 'time the market' with payments in any way. The longest delay so far since public operation began was around 3-4 hours, but I know that in certain scenarios a technical delay of 24-72 hours could happen before I coudl fix things... and maybe even longer if service popularity far outstripped my ability to acquire BTC.)

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February 13, 2012, 09:08:03 AM
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Hey, is this website blocked in China or is 75.101.163.44 the wrong IP?  Huh

75.101.163.44 is the right IP; it's one of the public IPs for services hosted (as is CoinWorker) on the Heroku platform:

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Unfortunately all Heroku-hosted apps seem to share the same 3 IPs, so if any other apps on these Heroku IPs have fallen afoul of your local authorities' blocking, CoinWorker could be blocked too.

I'd definitely like CoinWorker to be available to as many regions in China as possible. (I've heard the national firewall varies by region, as well.) Please let me know any tips/tools for ensuring accessibility there and I'll do what I can to help.

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Nice service.

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Fair enough - at least you're transparent about it!
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Totally hear you about the waiting on SEO, forgot about that Tongue

As well, I don't know much about mySQL, but did you check to make sure you can't do injections?

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im gonna give a go

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GIVE MOAR WORK

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Just curious, how long do these droughts usually last?

Looking forward to more tasks, but still new to all of this, not sure exactly what to expect.

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Just curious, how long do these droughts usually last?

There was one of about a week in earlier testing, but they're all because the relationship with the task-provider is still in a limited 'testing' mode.

That should end soon, maybe even as soon as tomorrow -- after which droughts might not recur at all!

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Man, tomorrow would be amazing if that did happen Smiley I've been checking the website like every few hours (and right when I get up in the mornings) to check for more work (a bit odd I suppose). IDK, I just think it's an awesome idea, and I love being able to pick up enough disposable income in one day to be able to buy a steam game Smiley

Great way to get a bit of online spending cash. Oh well, can't wait till your out of "testing" mode Smiley So about how long does it take for a place like yours to get out of "testing" mode?

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Supposedly, acquiring a strong track record may make an individual identity eligible for bonuses and higher-value tasks, but my experience with the task source isn't long enough to even know what that would look like, to a CoinWorker.
Could a malicious individual enter somebody else's BTC address and screw up their accuracy/reputation/whatever?

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Supposedly, acquiring a strong track record may make an individual identity eligible for bonuses and higher-value tasks, but my experience with the task source isn't long enough to even know what that would look like, to a CoinWorker.
Could a malicious individual enter somebody else's BTC address and screw up their accuracy/reputation/whatever?

Only if the individual knew which BTC address was being used for CoinWorker. I have a separate address for everything I use, so there is no way that anybody could know my address for CoinWorker unless they had access to my wallet. And if somebody has access to your wallet, your CoinWorker rep shouldn't be your top concern.

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But they would be able to see the bitcoin address last receiving coins on coinworker.com... They could see a bunch of little winnings from the same bitcoin address... :/

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Supposedly, acquiring a strong track record may make an individual identity eligible for bonuses and higher-value tasks, but my experience with the task source isn't long enough to even know what that would look like, to a CoinWorker.
Could a malicious individual enter somebody else's BTC address and screw up their accuracy/reputation/whatever?

Yes: this is a potential downside of letting anyone 'work' on behalf of any address, and advertising the payout publicly (at the CoinWorker.com site, or simply via people deducing what's happening the global blockchain).

There isn't any direct profit in it, so it's only of interest to people of pure malice: because they recognize the payout addresses, or simply dislike any high-earners they notice.

Still, I've implemented a countermeasure that will be documented soon on the site. (I didn't want to promote it until there's evidence of such behavior or discussion.)

You can add to the end of your address an extension like "+WHATEVER". (That is, a plus-sign and then another string of your choosing.)

The combination of your address *and* your extra string will determine your worker-reputation. But, only the address portion is significant for payments or displayed in public logs.

So, by using a secret extension, others can't 'spoil' your reputation (or hijack any tasks-in-progress).

Note that this could also help several people in good faith work on behalf of the same address, without interfering with each other even by innocent mistake. (Husband and wife, people who all want to donate to a public project address, etc.)

There will be an explanation and form to help people use this feature soon.

By the way, there are some tasks available, but they're a tiny value (4pts) and tiny number (<200), so I'm not announcing them. I still expect a larger variety/volume of tasks to arrive any day now.

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February 21, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
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Actually, even though the current tasks are small/few, they may be of interest: they are to predict the Academy Award winners, and there are (tiny) bonuses for getting the predictions right. So maybe fun but not lucrative.

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Great idea Smiley
Just a thing: just tried the site, upon entering my btc address, it says no tasks available, but the main page states there's tasks available Wink

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What do you think it would take to allow folks to create tasks outside of your partner's system? Have you come up with a time estimate?

Looks like a good idea executed well so far. Good luck.

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I have the same problem as UnderGod.
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Same here. I tried a new address too just in case my old one somehow ended up with a bad rep, but I can't see any tasks.
Do you need a >0 rep to do the 4 point task?

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Great idea Smiley
Just a thing: just tried the site, upon entering my btc address, it says no tasks available, but the main page states there's tasks available Wink

I'm guessing this is most likely a regional thing. The "tasks available" message is based on a test-request from the server (in the eastern USA), and maybe even the current task (Academy Award predictions) is locked to a US or North American audience.

If anyone having this problem reports their location/browser when this happens, I'll try to deduce a pattern so that at least the message can be correct (or simply silent, so people know to check the tasks page itself).

What do you think it would take to allow folks to create tasks outside of your partner's system? Have you come up with a time estimate?

Looks like a good idea executed well so far. Good luck.

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A system that also takes BTC in payment for tasks-needing-completion is a 'someday-maybe' thing rather than any sort of plan, and if/when doing it I'd also try to leverage CrowdFlower.

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Seems like it will be awesome

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There are some meatier tasks now: "Would you buy this item?" (12 points)

...& more likely soon.

If you don't see them, I'm interested to hear your region (via DM, Twitter, or here). (Also if you can't visit the CoinWorker.com website at all, as someone in China earlier reported, I'd like to hear your region in that case too.)

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"Tasks available"

"There are no tasks currently available, please check back later!"

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I have reason to suspect this is CrowdFlower's issue, not yours, Warge, but I put in my BitCoin address, then chose the 13-point "how relevant are these items?" thing. I worked through the qualifications, got a 50% the first time (although I arguably should have gotten 100... not the point, but they said a car was very related to searching for a manual for a car, but I digress, lol) so I took it again to get my remaining 2 credits. I took it again, then go the sorry message about failing. I reloaded the page to see what I had missed this time, and it took me to the page with the choices for tasks. I clicked on the "how relevant are these items?" again, and it let me start earning. Any idea what is up with this? If this is a crowd flower issue, might want to let them know. I'll report back if anything odd happens with this not working.

Anyhow, very glad you got more tasks, that's awesome Smiley

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As well, I have taken it upon myself to take this accuracy/quality control testing one step further. Here are my results:

Did the test/prep for the 13 point "how relevant are these results". Passed the first time with 50%, but needed 2 more. Got the 2 more after being told I was wrong. Reloaded page, click on the icon for the 13-pt task, and was back in, chuggin' away. Got some incorrect, percentage went down. Percentage went down to like 71% or something. It booted me off, as expected, saying my accuracy was too low. I went back to the selection area (with the 12 and 13 point tasks) and selected the 13-point tasks again. Boom, in again, with still 71% as my percentile, but able to do more work.

There seems to be something extremely wrong with people not being able to complete results with good accuracy but still getting to go on. I'll do some more testing with even lower percentages...

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Update to previous post, posted separate though:

Got to I think 63%, and it's booted me off for good, so it just seems it is a bit glitchy around the time when you are like borderline, like 71%, as well as in finishing the tests? Lemme know if you want me to pursue this further. Smiley

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To add to this, giving feedback on why a question is wrong/unfair is quite hard when typing the key "T" on my MacBook prompts the page to say something about tools activated. Want a video about this? (It'd be quick...)

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During my testing, there were tasks that even with my attentive effort, I fell below the target accuracy level. So, I was disqualified from further activity in those tasks.

I could have taken issue with some, but accept that the assessment process is imperfect... the instructions aren't always great, there are going to be subjective borderline calls, task providers may rationally have a hair-trigger test for moving on to other workers (or not), etc.

(Also: with the 'predict the Academy Awards' task, I mistakenly backed out before filling it out completely... then couldn't return, so had no chance to submit it. Oh, well.)

If a certain task seems to have too many gotchas, maybe it's just better suited for another tasker... and as we get more variety of tasks it should be easier for CoinWorkers to just move on to something more suited to their understanding.

And if things behave a little different from one day to the next -- these are multilayered systems, always being tuned, always facing glitches, always having one part slowly catch up to the other. I would expect both positive and negative surprises in the task-flows over time.

(So far during the test period, at least three tasks have been mistakenly double-paid due to glitches in my software on restarts. Oh, well.)

Please don't run tests where you intentionally do tasks wrong or without thought! You'll just get your browser / IP / region / channel (CoinWorker) / etc increasingly marked as being sloppy/unreliable for certain tasks.

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Yeah, that's why I asked if you wanted me to pursue the issue with granting too much leeway or not, figured it might have other implications, wasn't sure.

Anyhow, there is an annoying bug (not sure if it is just my system) but when I try to send feedback on a question, I end up getting a message about enabling something or another whenever I type the letter "t". Other than that, haven't had any other problems, and noticed you made it so that there is some check to make sure you entered a bitcoin address instead of a name or something, awesome Smiley

I've had a bit of trouble with some questions being marked kinda odd (or being marked one way one time or one way the other) as well, hasn't seemed like too much of an issue yet, I shall see...

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Warge, will there ever be a way to figure out the exchange rate from "points" to BTC? I think that that should be listed somewhere on the site, even if it's an estimate.

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Warge, will there ever be a way to figure out the exchange rate from "points" to BTC? I think that that should be listed somewhere on the site, even if it's an estimate.

You can think of "points" as being exactly equal to $USD cents.

In any of the displayed earnings logs, if you hover over the BTC value of an earnings event, you should see a tooltip of what exchange rate was used to calculate that estimate/payment. For past payments, this is also shown atop the transaction-detail view.

After a while, I should be more confident of all the systems' ability to acquire/pay BTC promptly, which would mitigate my risks from exchange costs/risks. Then it's possible the tasks will just be quoted in BTC directly... or probably 'milliBits'/mBTC (1000 mBTC = 1BTC as per https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MilliBit).

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Yeah, that's why I asked if you wanted me to pursue the issue with granting too much leeway or not, figured it might have other implications, wasn't sure.

Anyhow, there is an annoying bug (not sure if it is just my system) but when I try to send feedback on a question, I end up getting a message about enabling something or another whenever I type the letter "t". Other than that, haven't had any other problems, and noticed you made it so that there is some check to make sure you entered a bitcoin address instead of a name or something, awesome Smiley

I've had a bit of trouble with some questions being marked kinda odd (or being marked one way one time or one way the other) as well, hasn't seemed like too much of an issue yet, I shall see...

I've reproduced the 'T' glitch and also have seen another weird glitch where it seemed it was dinging me for a slightly different query than I'd answered! I'm reporting both to the task-UI-managers.

Yes, now there's a very simple proper-format check to protect against misentered addresses. An update soon will include a proper check of the embedded checksum for even more protection against typos/mis-pastes.

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This is not a big deal in the least, but just thought I'd point out this bug I've come across a few times. Here is a screenshot... It is basically where the two rolls for choices for choosing if search terms are satisfactory get kinda stuck. It's not a big deal, prob. an API problem anyhow, just thought I'd make you aware of it.
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"Flag images that contain adult content (Contains mature content)"

I... can get paid for looking at pictures of naked people?

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...this bug I've come across a few times...

Upon checking, the best way to report this sort of thing is via the 'help' drop-down in the top-right of the tasks view, which includes a link to 'Send Feedback' -- then the report can get to the task-creators, and should be associated with exactly the job/tasks that were active around the time of the report.

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New stuff just added:

  • A new 'Extended Address' option, which lets you mix your address with a password to prevent any possible interference with your work history by others entering the same address. (There's been no evidence of that happening, but just in case!) See http://coinworker.com/extended for details.
  • A Help/FAQ page: http://coinworker.com/help

And, there are now over 20 kinds of tasks available, ranging from flagging adult images (3 points) to "Search for terms and record the search results" (32 points).

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I created an extended version of the address I've been using for a while now, started a new task (Flag images that contain adult content) and noticed that it still showed my old accuracy (95%). Working as intended?

Sometimes some of the pictures in "Flag images that contain adult content" don't load properly, forcing you to click "zoom" on each individual picture to see it. Sort of time consuming and annoying.

EDIT: Is it supposed to inform you every time you make a mistake on a control question? Sometimes my accuracy just decreases for no apparent reason.

EDIT: I've completed 3 tasks with my new extended address, and none of the payments show up on the main page or in the address activity log.

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I created an extended version of the address I've been using for a while now, started a new task (Flag images that contain adult content) and noticed that it still showed my old accuracy (95%). Working as intended?

There was a bug where Extended Addresses were still just registering for tasks as the plain address. That should be fixed now: if you force-reload any tasks pages that were reached via the 'Extended' form, they should start the proper identity.

Any tasks completed as 'Extended' during the last hour or so would have just been treated as plain address tasks.

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Sometimes some of the pictures in "Flag images that contain adult content" don't load properly, forcing you to click "zoom" on each individual picture to see it. Sort of time consuming and annoying.

This sort of glitch could be reported via the top-right 'Help'->'Give Feedback' link to get the attention of those who craft the task interface. You can include your 'Contributor ID' on such feedback to help them look up your recent sessions.

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EDIT: Is it supposed to inform you every time you make a mistake on a control question? Sometimes my accuracy just decreases for no apparent reason.

I thought all tracked errors would get coaching, but I'm not sure. I've seen or heard of a few cases of inconsistency in error-reporting. If you notice the issue recurring, I would also suggest mentioning it along with your Contributor ID via the 'Help'->'Give Feedback' link. 

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EDIT: I've completed 3 tasks with my new extended address, and none of the payments show up on the main page or in the address activity log.

While earnings will often appear in seconds, and be paid in minutes, the actual delay before task completion is reported to CoinWorker can sometimes be much longer. The task back-end FAQ (accessible via the 'Help' -> 'FAQ' dropdown in the task pane) says: "Typically, there is a slight delay between submitting your answers and receiving your reward on our tasks. That delay may be as small as 15 minutes or as long as two days after offer completion." In operation so far, it's usually seemed to be way less than 15 minutes, except on a couple occasions where there seemed to be a pause that was later caught-up on.

If they don't appear soon, DM me your pay-address and I'll look more closely to see if they were mis-logged somewhere else.

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While earnings will often appear in seconds, and be paid in minutes, the actual delay before task completion is reported to CoinWorker can sometimes be much longer. The task back-end FAQ (accessible via the 'Help' -> 'FAQ' dropdown in the task pane) says: "Typically, there is a slight delay between submitting your answers and receiving your reward on our tasks. That delay may be as small as 15 minutes or as long as two days after offer completion." In operation so far, it's usually seemed to be way less than 15 minutes, except on a couple occasions where there seemed to be a pause that was later caught-up on.

If they don't appear soon, DM me your pay-address and I'll look more closely to see if they were mis-logged somewhere else.
Fair enough.
The reason I asked was because the first time a payment didn't appear on the website instantaneously was also the first time I used an extended address, so I though the two might be connected.

EDIT: After waiting ~7 hours for my payments, I decided to try completing a task with my non-extended address. Once I finished, all the money I earned in the past 7 hours (4*3, 1*4) immediately appeared as a single payment on the website.

EDIT2: Everything seems to be working properly now.

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FYI, CoinWorker's hosting service (Heroku) is having some issues, so the site has been mostly unreachable for almost the last hour.

(It's not specific to CoinWorker... it's affecting many of their customers.)

I'll update both here and @CoinWorking when there's a resolution.

UPDATE (1h15m later): Service is back up but recovery of hoster may still be touch-and-go (http://status.heroku.com). For now, CoinWorker is again offering new work and catching up on prior earning reports/payments.

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Is this service just for people who live in the third world who can get free internet and free PC access.  I just tried this service out and there is no it would even pay for the electricity used by my PC never mind my country's basic living wage of £7.20per/hr or even the minimum wage of £6.20per/hr  Huh

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Even FB pay there third world moderators upto $0.64per/hr from my calculations you are only paying £0.24per/hr  Huh

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love it !! way better then those crappy survey sites
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Even FB pay there third world moderators upto $0.64per/hr from my calculations you are only paying £0.24per/hr  Huh

If you're not satisfied with the pay, don't do the work. CoinWorker was obviously not meant to be a full time job.

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newbie jail FTL

I will tell you the truth. If some website implemented this type of thing in lieu of a captcha, I would do everything I could to avoid using that website's services.

I already hate the captcha. Making verification a longer and more annoying process isn't going to make the web more secure, just more annoying. The hackers never have problems getting around this stuff, just normal folks.

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Only made like eight bitcent for an hour worth of work, but it's better than nothing.

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If you wanted advertising, I managed to get a large community using it during a discussion of the dark net.

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If you wanted advertising, I managed to get a large community using it during a discussion of the dark net.

Thanks! I'm happy to see the site referred along to anyone with an interest, and I think that discussion helped contribute to yesterday being the second-highest day of visits in the site's history.

(I'm taking other intentional promotion slowly, though, to ensure traffic doesn't outstrip the supply of tasks, my bitcoin payment reserves, or the serving systems. So far, so good!)

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March 08, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
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I did some 13 point relevancy tests and the system complained about a few of my choices, even though they were perfectly correct. Like, when searching for a cell phone a result was a plastic case. I categorized it as an accessory but the system told me that's wrong and that the cover is a perfect match (meaning it is the cell phone). In the end this caused my rating to drop below the minimum and barred me from doing more of these tasks although I always gave a short explanation every time.

Does anybody read those comments at all, or am I permanently blocked from this task now?

Also the system pays out too fast. I keep receiving tiny transfers but would prefer less, yet bigger ones instead. Or the payment trigger button that was suggested in the other thread.

Some tasks have a ridiculous low payment ("Categorize Twitter Users"). You're expected to do all sorts of searches to categorize each user and get only 1 point for 2 users.

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March 08, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
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I'm really excited about the potential for people in the third world to make decent livings doing coinworker. $1/hour isn't worth it in the States, but in Africa $1/hour is a decent living.

It would be nice though if there were varying jobs with different skillsets. That way people of assorted backgrounds and capabilities could do tasks that are more challenging. These are just tedious for westerners.

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March 09, 2012, 09:51:14 AM
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Ran into another problem with a task. This time it's a 15 point offer for searching some casino on Google. The task asked if I found it on the first 5 result pages, which I did not. So I selected no and hit submit, but the task insisted I have to provide their phone number and visit the page. So I googled more to find the casino (tigercasino) and visited it. After adding their phone number the task still complains. I even went so far as to install their casino software in a virtual machine; still the task won't accept my submission.

To me it seems as if the higher paying tasks try their best to get a job done without paying for it simply by complaining about non-existent problems. I guess the task provider simply hopes that users won't go into a lengthy email discussion just to get a few cents, especially when the user has to deliver proof of his work.

If more such questionable tasks appear, users will quit working because of such hassles with the task provider.

Btw, is the "Contributor Id" listed in the help menu unique to a worker? So in case crowdflower acknowledges a complain and pays points to this id, will I receive the bitcoins for it?

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March 09, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
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Neat idea! Seems like a nice way to pass the time and get some BTC in the process. :3
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March 09, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
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I did some 13 point relevancy tests and the system complained about a few of my choices, even though they were perfectly correct. Like, when searching for a cell phone a result was a plastic case. I categorized it as an accessory but the system told me that's wrong and that the cover is a perfect match (meaning it is the cell phone). In the end this caused my rating to drop below the minimum and barred me from doing more of these tasks although I always gave a short explanation every time.

Does anybody read those comments at all, or am I permanently blocked from this task now?

I've had issues with some of the training tasks, also. All I can say is leave a brief 'incorrect or unfair' comment and move on to other jobs/tasks.

I have noticed jobs that were rough at first -- with unclear instructions, super-low points, dubious training data, difficult interfaces, or glitches/blanks in actual work data -- come back later with improvements or even higher payment rates. So whenever something is confusing or disqualifying workers, there are incentives for that to be fixed.

Sometimes either time or a reformulation of the job lets previously disqualified workers back in, so you can keep checking back if the job is otherwise of interest.

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That's been the top feedback recently and new options for fewer larger payments are coming soon.

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March 09, 2012, 06:36:02 PM
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I'm really excited about the potential for people in the third world to make decent livings doing coinworker. $1/hour isn't worth it in the States, but in Africa $1/hour is a decent living.

It would be nice though if there were varying jobs with different skillsets. That way people of assorted backgrounds and capabilities could do tasks that are more challenging. These are just tedious for westerners.

Plans for expansion?

Different tasks can be shown per region, though I haven't yet noticed tasks that were clearly targeted for lower-income regions.

The task-assignment back-end from CrowdFlower can definitely track worker histories, and show special rates or tasks just to some workers, so future targeting based on preferences/aptitudes/qualifications is likely.

I, too, would really like to see uptake in places where these rates could make a big difference for people. So far, though, the most traffic appears to have been from North America/Europe/Australia... probably because of general trends in bitcoin awareness. Also, many of the tasks require not just fluency in English but also some familiarity with the digital/commercial culture of wealthy countries.

But, the whole field of microtask crowdsourcing is still fairly young and I expect a broadening of the task-types and contributor base over time, as everyone gradually adjusts to what's possible.

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March 13, 2012, 10:53:40 AM
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I love this project!
I am sure we need to get China, Africa and the like onboard for Bitcoin to unfold its full potential.
This is a brilliant idea to step in there!

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March 13, 2012, 09:49:24 PM
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I've had to add a registration/login requirement and clearer terms of service to deal with some abuse.

Once registered, if you're sure to do your *first* work as a registered user with a preferred address/extended-address you've used before, your worker history/reputation will carry over to your login account.

I'm sure I'll need to iron out some bugs from this transition, but it then should be easier to set a personal preference on pay-frequency/thresholds.

Please let me know any glitches or problems you see (separate from those that need to be reported direct to task authors). Thanks!

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March 13, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
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Does this mean more/better tasks or is it irrelevant?

I mean, is it some requirement from CrowdFlower, or just to discourage misuse?

Btw, congrats and keep up the good work  Smiley


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What kind of abuse were you getting?

Unfortunate you had to move to an account-based system, makes it less attractive to new-commers (easier to start right off the bat than to register an account) but I figured you would need to change your policy at some point.

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What kind of abuse were you getting?

Unfortunate you had to move to an account-based system, makes it less attractive to new-commers (easier to start right off the bat than to register an account) but I figured you would need to change your policy at some point.

I'd rather not be too specific, but in general, the projects that want the tasks performed need attentive, independent, conscientious workers. If instead they're getting anything else, they'll go elsewhere with their tasks.

Does this mean more/better tasks or is it irrelevant?

It's not automatic; it's long-term. The whole field of offering these sorts of microtasks is fairly young. If crowdsourcing, or specific crowdsourcing to one community (like those interested in bitcoin payments), gathers good input for task-providers, then it will grow. If it doesn't result in quality input, it will shrink.

The registration requirement may not mean any immediate improvement in task variety -- but combined with other practices over time should make CoinWorker into a more reliable/assessable pool of workers, which can only help.

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Hey, just wanted to point out a minor bug with login--the username is case-sensitive, so if I enter my username without a capital V I can't log in.

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March 14, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
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Amazing service. I wouldn't be surprised if this became huge! Good luck WargeGeoshington

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March 15, 2012, 03:13:47 AM
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I have changed my opinion.

There are some problematic tasks, but other tasks works very well and I have earned some money.
I'm happy with this service. Smiley
Is not much money, but.. there are cheap Bitcoin services that I could purchase with these coins.

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IMHO this service is just a scam.
I recommend You to avoid this lost of time.

I have tried to identify it a image has a large text:

There is a watermark made by camera and I have marked "This image has small text and watermarks overlayed on the image".

But It says that the correct answer was "This image has no text obstructing or over the image".

The reason for this is: "This image does not contain any text, and should be scored "No Text". If this is confusing please review the instructions and example images or reply with feedback. Thank you."

Thank you? This was ironic?

I can't do more work on this task. Angry

I don't say what I think about your service, because I could break the forum rules. Good bye. Angry

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March 15, 2012, 03:44:14 AM
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But It says that the correct answer was "This image has no text obstructing or over the image".

I don't have control over the task design or training data. I have noticed that some jobs, especially when they are new, can have broken training steps, or unclear directions. Sometimes they improve over time, so it's best to just give quick feedback and move on to tasks which make more sense to you.

On training data you can tick the 'incorrect or unfair' button and leave a small note.  On other tasks you can use the 'Help' -> 'Feedback' link available from the top-right, and incude the 7-digit 'contributor ID' and email if you want a response.

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Very nice service, i'll be using it alot Smiley
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March 15, 2012, 01:35:43 PM
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interesting concept; as others have said running this in third world can give them the potential for $4-6 per hour "wages" which is very good.
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Some advice to tag ambiguous images (I post the correct answers).
I hope that I can help you to avoid these "traps".
Maybe, we could try to create a collection of "traps", and help new users to avoid them.

If You find a trap, You can post It here. If You use Firefox, You can click on the "favicon" ( placed at the URL bar), click in "more info" and click in "media". Now, scroll the list until the ambiguous image appears. Copy their URL and place it here between IMG tags.

Product text:
---> Product?, a service logo? I don't know what It is. Angry I marked "large text", because It is red and big.

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No text:
---> These phones have text over them!!! Angry Angry
---> I can read Nintendo 64. Angry

Small text or no text:
---> It looks like a book title! Angry

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Some advice to tag ambiguous images (I post the correct answers).
I hope that I can help you to avoid these "traps".
Maybe, we could try to create a collection of "traps", and help new users to avoid them.

If You find a trap, You can post It here.

Please don't coordinate with other workers on responses. That destroys the value for the task-providers, who need independent judgements based only on the task content and individual worker's thinking. If CoinWorkers appear to be basing their responses on advice from other workers, the tasks will go away.

When the test/training tasks have issues, report them to the task provider via the provided mechanisms: the 'incorrect/unfair' link or 'Help'->"Feedback' toolbar menu.

Even when the test tasks have problems, to crib answers from other workers, rather than help fix the problems, is essentially cheating.

On the other hand, it's perfectly legitimate to let other workers know some jobs are more lucrative, or include more consistent rules, or should be skipped entirely. When people decide to ignore one task, and work on others, it sends a signal back that the training data, instructions, interface, or payments need to be improved on the disfavored tasks. That's helpful to the system and will keep the tasks flowing and improving.

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March 15, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
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Bitcoins pending got clogged or something. Some are pending for more than 4 hours. Tried working on a different address, same thing. My username is passenger, can you, WargeGeoshington, help me out?
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Bitcoins pending got clogged or something. Some are pending for more than 4 hours. Tried working on a different address, same thing. My username is passenger, can you, WargeGeoshington, help me out?

To allow better assessment of work before payment, there's now a 200-point threshold an address must meet before payment. It was supposed to be 200-or-higher, and it was mistakenly set for higher-than-200. It looks like you reached 200, then tried another address, which meant neither address went over 200.

I've fixed the comparison bug, so the one with 200 should be paid soon. When the other reaches 200 or higher, it will be paid as well.

These thresholds will be tweaked more over time, so keep an eye on your 'activity' page or 'profile' page for the latest info.

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Bitcoins pending got clogged or something. Some are pending for more than 4 hours. Tried working on a different address, same thing. My username is passenger, can you, WargeGeoshington, help me out?

To allow better assessment of work before payment, there's now a 200-point threshold an address must meet before payment. It was supposed to be 200-or-higher, and it was mistakenly set for higher-than-200. It looks like you reached 200, then tried another address, which meant neither address went over 200.

I've fixed the comparison bug, so the one with 200 should be paid soon. When the other reaches 200 or higher, it will be paid as well.

These thresholds will be tweaked more over time, so keep an eye on your 'activity' page or 'profile' page for the latest info.

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March 16, 2012, 01:12:54 AM
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Ok, I wont publish more images like them.

But I published only these problematic images. I think that they could block other users. Of course, I wont publish clear images that users should identify.

Also, maybe at start is difficult to test if some searches are relevant or not. For example, I have learned that a VHS tape with a different content (movie, series...) that specified in query, should be rated as "not a match" (instead of offtopic) if the query search for a VHS product.

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ungh... i can only handle sooo many images...  its a good way to waste time and make some money though.

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Heck of a neat idea!

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It worked; I earned about 0.5 bitcoins.
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I have 3 tasks (flag images*2, Categorize Twitter Users) in the list of available tasks even though they've been at "0 available" for about 2 weeks now (Finished! Sorry, there is no more work available on this job at this time..).
More annoying than problematic, but still...

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Bitcoins pending got clogged or something. Some are pending for more than 4 hours. Tried working on a different address, same thing. My username is passenger, can you, WargeGeoshington, help me out?

To allow better assessment of work before payment, there's now a 200-point threshold an address must meet before payment. It was supposed to be 200-or-higher, and it was mistakenly set for higher-than-200. It looks like you reached 200, then tried another address, which meant neither address went over 200.

I've fixed the comparison bug, so the one with 200 should be paid soon. When the other reaches 200 or higher, it will be paid as well.

These thresholds will be tweaked more over time, so keep an eye on your 'activity' page or 'profile' page for the latest info.

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Having Similar problems After earning 2.0BTC with old system the new system requires login. Since then work effort(Same user as here) is 100% but nothing is earned. I created a new account different user and same problem complete work and no points get awarded.
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March 19, 2012, 01:59:21 AM
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What happens If I have less than 200 points and I can't work more because one task is finished, and the other task is the "text images sh*t", which doesn't allow to work?

It would be interesting to pay these pints if some accounts doesn't have activity in two weeks.

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March 19, 2012, 03:41:08 AM
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Some of the test questions are remarkably arbitrary, both with the text identification and the map search engine questions. Anillos posted some good examples. The unfair test questions he points out are still up. (for reference, since I decided to try CW based on reference to it in another thread, I did not read what he wrote prior to coming here to complain.)

There's a big grey area between what's a "big image" and what's a "small image." There's no leniency if you believe a "small image" is a "large image" or vice versa, even if it's clearly a gray area per the rules. Probably the worst is how they consider images which are themselves advertisements to be "product text." As well, if you answer a test question correctly later, it's not counted, so you can't really go anywhere but down after a while. The "incorrect" answers you contest are not marked "in dispute" - simply wrong.

Outside of that, the system's simply flawed. Tasks appear as available when they are not. There are effectively three or four tasks available. In the "search on Google" task, it occasionally demands you recite an excerpt on a result which does not display an excerpt, so despite the explicit instructions not to click on links, it's necessary to answer the question.

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There are task which works very well like "Decide the Best Category for Events!" or "Flag images that contain adult content".

IMHO, eBay should reconsider the test questions, because there are more images that should accept two valid answers.

Test questions are to discard users who make random clicks or doesn't pay enough attention on images, not to test if user can guess if a "medium size" text was big or small, or some tinny letters count as "product test" or not.

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How can I catch my current points of one specified address? I have worked sooo many tasks these days, but no btcs received

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How can I catch my current points of one specified address? I have worked sooo many tasks these days, but no btcs received
You need at least 200 points.

This is because I think that every week (or two weeks, or a month) It should be a general payout to all users who earned less than 200 points in that week.
The transaction fees would be very small.

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Brilliant idea if you're a bored starving college student. let's hope it doesn't fizz too soon.
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okay seriously i just tried it and made 50 cents per hour, it was very annoying
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Having Similar problems After earning 2.0BTC with old system the new system requires login. Since then work effort(Same user as here) is 100% but nothing is earned. I created a new account different user and same problem complete work and no points get awarded.

Currently, a pending balance needs to reach 200 points to be paid. (Looking at your account last night, it's wasn't yet there.)

Soon, once you've reached the minimum points once on your account, you'll be able to set your own threshold, so even smaller amounts can be paid on request. That's a feature in the works.

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Cool site, definetly legitamate, Ive made some btc so far. But the amounts are so low, when you work it out you'll realize how little money youre making...and maybe think about forgetting the whole thing and going out into the beautiful sunshiny day.

I also had some BIG disagreements on some of the answers, and I replied with my response why I was right. Only once was an answer adjusted from my whining. For example, There were twitter posts where teenagers used lingo that I feel like I understood but CF/CW didnt and it completely changed the sentiment if you know exactly what they're saying. Other tasks had multiple right answers and it was hard to figure out which was MORE right. Others relied on ambiguous standards or unfounded assumptions about which results were relevant to the searcher. I got myself locked out of the worthwhile tasks over this and cant do anymore coinworking... EVER :-( . The other tasks take a really long time and dont offer an equivalent reward, I mean 3 points is pretty low to do anything. I have a feeling I'm slowing going to get locked out of every type of job.

I have alot of suggestions on how to improve. For instance why not make the "click here to open up a new search window" link that points to just google.com just include the search string as well in the URL so theres no human error? All you need is a human eye and judgement, so why make them do the extra typing and clicking as well? Theres other stuff that didnt make sense to me either

On an unrelated note, has the payout stopped working? Ive passed up my 200 point min a long time ago and have had a 0.347BTC balance sitting there for days now. It used to cashout after 15-20 min... I dont want to continue if Im not getting paid. I like site and want it to succeed!
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Hmmmm just noticed under "activity" my BTC are actually coming, but its gonna be over 2 days. Scrolling down I can see they never took more than an hour in the past. Thats fine, just weird how the payment delay became really long lately. I wonder if theyre having some trouble back there.... Huh
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How can I catch my current points of one specified address? I have worked sooo many tasks these days, but no btcs received

On the page where you see your list of tasks (displaying the CoinWorker logo and your address and balances at the top), you can click the 'activity' link to see a summary of that addresses' activity. If the pending balance is 200 points or higher, you'll be paid in a matter of minutes. (The required 200 point threshold is currently the only limit on payments to registered users.)

If there's any other indication of problems on that page, PM me here with the URL/address and I'll take a closer look at the task history.

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On an unrelated note, has the payout stopped working? Ive passed up my 200 point min a long time ago and have had a 0.347BTC balance sitting there for days now. It used to cashout after 15-20 min... I dont want to continue if Im not getting paid. I like site and want it to succeed!

Please PM me the address with the 200+ pending balance and I'll investigate further.

Regarding problems in test questions and task design: their quality does vary a lot, especially when new. The worst interfaces/instructions/training-questiors often improve over time, when the task providers get feedback and realize the problems are keeping people from participating and getting good data. The best thing to do is give quick honest feedback and move along, and not worry too much about the apparent randomness/subjectiveness of any one task.

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Came back to this. The Ebay relevancy questions aren't too bad. ... But now I'm stumped on deciding whether or not a Vintage Gay Beefcake Magazine is an exact match for "gay"?

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How can I catch my current points of one specified address? I have worked sooo many tasks these days, but no btcs received

On the page where you see your list of tasks (displaying the CoinWorker logo and your address and balances at the top), you can click the 'activity' link to see a summary of that addresses' activity. If the pending balance is 200 points or higher, you'll be paid in a matter of minutes. (The required 200 point threshold is currently the only limit on payments to registered users.)

If there's any other indication of problems on that page, PM me here with the URL/address and I'll take a closer look at the task history.

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Dear, Warge:
I've worked on this job for two weeks or more before users are demanded for registering, and for convenience I bookmarked the page of list of works, then I opened bookmarked page directly and it truly can work, now registration is required but I didn't know this and have worked as the old way for some days.

Today I found the change and registered as viboracecata, I could only find the points under this account is 0, which is linked to address: 1C1pqZjzaQRFmUYDDe7u2jE22Kuk8eED77, which is my address, but there are 170 points are attached to this address tagged as invalid user id, so can you help to redeem these points to my account or they will be sent to me automatically regardless of the account?

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Dear, Warge:
I've worked on this job for two weeks or more before users are demanded for registering, and for convenience I bookmarked the page of list of works, then I opened bookmarked page directly and it truly can work, now registration is required but I didn't know this and have worked as the old way for some days.

Today I found the change and registered as viboracecata, I could only find the points under this account is 0, which is linked to address: 1C1pqZjzaQRFmUYDDe7u2jE22Kuk8eED77, which is my address, but there are 170 points are attached to this address tagged as invalid user id, so can you help to redeem these points to my account or they will be sent to me automatically regardless of the account?

Thanks for the details!

I was wondering how I was going to contact the person doing that work, and wondering also how they could have kept submitting new work without full account info.

As I see you've now registered, new work is being recorded properly, And because of both that new work and the older work, I can associate the 'orphaned' units to your new account, so they should now be paid per normal.

Sorry for the delay! I've still been ironing out bugs with the transition to registered accounts and minimum (soon adjustable) payment thresholds.

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Dear, Warge:
I've worked on this job for two weeks or more before users are demanded for registering, and for convenience I bookmarked the page of list of works, then I opened bookmarked page directly and it truly can work, now registration is required but I didn't know this and have worked as the old way for some days.

Today I found the change and registered as viboracecata, I could only find the points under this account is 0, which is linked to address: 1C1pqZjzaQRFmUYDDe7u2jE22Kuk8eED77, which is my address, but there are 170 points are attached to this address tagged as invalid user id, so can you help to redeem these points to my account or they will be sent to me automatically regardless of the account?

Thanks for the details!

I was wondering how I was going to contact the person doing that work, and wondering also how they could have kept submitting new work without full account info.

As I see you've now registered, new work is being recorded properly, And because of both that new work and the older work, I can associate the 'orphaned' units to your new account, so they should now be paid per normal.

Sorry for the delay! I've still been ironing out bugs with the transition to registered accounts and minimum (soon adjustable) payment thresholds.

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thanks for your hard work Warge, I have received the bitcoins.

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 I use all the time when I have nothing else to do.  Smiley

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I thought I'd give this a try, but after registering there's only one task listed with either sometimes 0, 1 or 2 available. But even when it says 1 or 2 available when i click it it shows 'Finished! no more work available for this task' etc. What gives?
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Yeah hi, I jumped on, created an account, got about 100 points, my brother used my account, dropped my accuracy to 89%, and it wouldn't let me do any more work. I'm still waiting on a reply, and when I logged in all my points and activity were cleared. =/
Now I don't really care, cos it's like 60 cents or something relatively meaningless.
But I would like to know what's happened, as I was planning on passing your site around to friends as a little source of btc income.
Unfortunately, there wouldn't be much point if no one got btc =(

So anyway, if you could look into what has happened to mah account that would be sweet.
It should be fred26 =D
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I thought I'd give this a try, but after registering there's only one task listed with either sometimes 0, 1 or 2 available. But even when it says 1 or 2 available when i click it it shows 'Finished! no more work available for this task' etc. What gives?

I currently see more tasks, but what is offered can vary a lot by region, and over time. Especially if you are outside of North America, the best advice I can offer is check back occasionally.

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Yeah hi, I jumped on, created an account, got about 100 points, my brother used my account, dropped my accuracy to 89%, and it wouldn't let me do any more work. I'm still waiting on a reply, and when I logged in all my points and activity were cleared. =/
Now I don't really care, cos it's like 60 cents or something relatively meaningless.
But I would like to know what's happened, as I was planning on passing your site around to friends as a little source of btc income.
Unfortunately, there wouldn't be much point if no one got btc =(

So anyway, if you could look into what has happened to mah account that would be sweet.
It should be fred26 =D
cheers

I see your account as having a balance of 126pts, mostly from a text-in-images task, with a couple of other tasks that had an Australian focus. When the balance hits the minimum threshold of 200pts, it will be paid.

If you're excluded from current tasks, other tasks in the future might give you another chance. But, if the task back-end has locked out your entire account because the work seemed unreliable, this balance won't ever be payable.

I've explained why the threshold became necessary in another post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63213.msg813736#msg813736).

That's also why, at the time registration was required, I had to add to the terms: "Any balances offered or displayed are only estimates and provisional until paid. CoinWorker may delay, adjust, or nullify pending balances for any reason." I know that may sound arbitrary, but it's the one of the necessary defenses against lots of little petty scam work sessions draining all the value from the good work, which would eventually sink the service entirely.

In the end, it's the public history of reliable payments, in accordance with the currently-published policies, plus the fact that at any one time you've got very little at risk, which will indicate to each person whether they think this is a good deal or not. You can see from posts here and elsewhere, and the past history of the current address activity logs on the CoinWorker site, evidence of how payments work in practice.

BTW, when you say "my points and activity were cleared", I don't think that's the case. There's not been any erasing of any reported work for the ~2 month lifetime of the service, and I do still show the 126pts pending on the account you mentioned. If you think something that once appeared on the CoinWorker site disappeared, you can send me details (here or in PM) and I'll investigate further.

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I love this project.
Here is one nice project you can cooperate Samasource.org

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In Decide For Product Manuals: Device Type Information, I have only numbers as possible answers (0-464 tried on ubuntu and win7 with firefox, chrome and IE7). I saw that someone was able to do some of this work (for 2h). Anyone knows what else could help?
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Sounds awesome but it looks like I cant register. Would it be possible for you to slip me in?

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Hey i checked back after april 2nd! Any word when registration will be up again? (I forgot my login info) Thank you in advance, kind sir.
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im gonna give a go
The register is close. It said it will opened on 2nd April. but..
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looks like the site isn't maintained well.

     "Notice Monday March 26, 2012:
New registrations are temporarily on hold. Please check back on Monday, April 2 for an update."


I guess the new registrations are more than temporarily on hold, and still awaiting an update.
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looks like the site isn't maintained well.

     "Notice Monday March 26, 2012:
New registrations are temporarily on hold. Please check back on Monday, April 2 for an update."


I guess the new registrations are more than temporarily on hold, and still awaiting an update.

I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been on the road with limited internet and banking access, and wanted to make sure the site remained reliable and available for existing CoinWorkers above all else.

There should be further updates before the weekend, and new registrations will again be enabled no later than Monday April 16th.

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I look forward to trying this out
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Thanks for the update.  See you on April 16th
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What to do to get more valuable tasks?

On my page I can only see few tasks that give 1 or 3 points, and on the main page of your web site I see people solving 22 point tasks.

Why these people get tons of 22 points tasks and I have none?

If some tasks have higher paid versions, i.e. they somehow grouped into chains, you need to provide that information, all tasks are different, which one I need "to grind" to get to the "next level" of it?
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What to do to get more valuable tasks?

On my page I can only see few tasks that give 1 or 3 points, and on the main page of your web site I see people solving 22 point tasks.

Why these people get tons of 22 points tasks and I have none?

If some tasks have higher paid versions, i.e. they somehow grouped into chains, you need to provide that information, all tasks are different, which one I need "to grind" to get to the "next level" of it?

It's most likely a regional thing, rather than a revealed-after-time thing. I'm pretty sure fresh accounts in North America (where I am) can see the kinds of 22-point tasks that you are referring to. The mix of tasks is always changing, and I don't have more info than what you can see in the task list, help, and CrowdFlower forums.

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What to do to get more valuable tasks?

On my page I can only see few tasks that give 1 or 3 points, and on the main page of your web site I see people solving 22 point tasks.

Why these people get tons of 22 points tasks and I have none?

If some tasks have higher paid versions, i.e. they somehow grouped into chains, you need to provide that information, all tasks are different, which one I need "to grind" to get to the "next level" of it?

It's most likely a regional thing, rather than a revealed-after-time thing. I'm pretty sure fresh accounts in North America (where I am) can see the kinds of 22-point tasks that you are referring to. The mix of tasks is always changing, and I don't have more info than what you can see in the task list, help, and CrowdFlower forums.

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I don't remember entering a country while registering on your website. I though all accounts are equal.
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cool Wink
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I don't remember entering a country while registering on your website. I though all accounts are equal.

I believe it is auto-detected by the task back-end, which fills the list of available tasks. (I have no control over it.)

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I earned 6 points and I'm not getting it. Is something wrong?

My username is Gimp. Thanks
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I earned 6 points and I'm not getting it. Is something wrong?

My username is Gimp. Thanks

Looks like your address's pending balance is 137; it has to hit 200 to trigger a payment (as noted on the front page and 'activity' pages).

I just noticed it wasn't clear in the Help/FAQ, so I added a mention of the threshold there. Also, I added a comment about it on the profile page, which you can get to by clicking the link to your username in the top-right when logged-in.

In the future, once you hit the 200 point line the first time, there will be an option to set your own threshold -- anything from 0 (for ASAP payment) to perhaps 2000 (waiting for a $20 balance to pay).

Hope this helps clarify,

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this is a really cool idea. keep adding tasks and it can really take off.
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cool! can you explain a bit more the method behind the madness? is it advertisement powered or what?

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cool! can you explain a bit more the method behind the madness? is it advertisement powered or what?

You may want to see the FAQ answer to "Where do tasks come from?":

http://coinworker.com/help#tasks_from

Essentially, companies or other research projects or individuals want these things done, and are paying a small bounty. In some cases, the task providers *might* be trying to seed workers with advertising messages, or be testing advertising messages focus-group like... but mostly, they just need the results that come from worker effort in analyzing/categorizing/etc the provided data.

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I love this site when I have a little time to kill. I know I am making super low wages per hour, but it makes me feel like my time can always be somewhat productive.  Keep the work coming.

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Good service but unfortunately prices rather degrade.
I was hoping it'd be higher, maybe 30-40 point per task, and now you can rarely see 7-12... Today I saw 0.75 points for the first time..

Do you know any specific reason for that?
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Payments in your system are not being processed for hours...

Please check if it is working properly.
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i think alakim may be right about the point values degrading. It used to be "For a given Search Query, how relevant are the 30 shown items?" for 12 points. Now its "For a given Search query, how relevant are the 36 shown items?" for 8 points. Oh well, Im still gonna do it anyways...
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i think alakim may be right about the point values degrading. It used to be "For a given Search Query, how relevant are the 30 shown items?" for 12 points. Now its "For a given Search query, how relevant are the 36 shown items?" for 8 points. Oh well, Im still gonna do it anyways...
They are just testing how low they can go until users quit working. The pay already is very low, even when they offer more points. I refuse to do any of those offers because the work required doesn't justify it, not even if you just do it to waste some time.

That aside, crowdflower doesn't seem to be very interested to help users who complain either. Their support forum has quite a few posts from people who ran into problems and only a minority gets answers.

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They are just testing how low they can go until users quit working. The pay already is very low, even when they offer more points.
It's true, for the same work they offer less and less with time, so you work for less that a dollar per hour.
Apparently, some are still happy to do the job, so why not?

I finally had time to complete my 200 points batch, but it hasn't been paid yet, and it's been more than 8 hours.

If my points are already in the coinworker's DB, how come it takes so long to send the payment to Bitcoin network?

coinworker FAQ says something about network conditions "not being perfect" can delay payments but that sounds like total BS to me.

It's your own web site, you already got money, what's the problem with sending payments from your own website through your own Bitcoin client?
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Cool project!  Grin

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Good service but unfortunately prices rather degrade.
I was hoping it'd be higher, maybe 30-40 point per task, and now you can rarely see 7-12... Today I saw 0.75 points for the first time..

Do you know any specific reason for that?

At the exact time you wrote this message, there was a risk activity would outstrip the ability to pay promptly, so offered rates were reduced by a lot as an emergency message -- for about 8 hours. Rates are still a little lower than usual, until I'm sure my usual channels for promptly buying bitcoins are again working.

My goal has been to enforce regularity of payment above all else: you get the payment offered under the terms at the time you did the tasks, as soon as possible. I would rather temporarily reduce offered rates, than ever pause payouts.

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They are just testing how low they can go until users quit working. The pay already is very low, even when they offer more points.
It's true, for the same work they offer less and less with time, so you work for less that a dollar per hour.
Apparently, some are still happy to do the job, so why not?

I finally had time to complete my 200 points batch, but it hasn't been paid yet, and it's been more than 8 hours.

If my points are already in the coinworker's DB, how come it takes so long to send the payment to Bitcoin network?

coinworker FAQ says something about network conditions "not being perfect" can delay payments but that sounds like total BS to me.

It's your own web site, you already got money, what's the problem with sending payments from your own website through your own Bitcoin client?

I'm not aware of any conditions in the last month that, once an address balance reaches 200 points, would have delayed the issuance of a payment transaction more than about 40 minutes.

If I've identified your account properly, I think the issue is that you've split your work across two different pay-to addresses, one with a 102 point balance and another with a 111 point balance. Currently, the threshold is calculated per address, which is a vestige of the original CoinWorker setup, where there were no login accounts,  only pay-to addresses.

This will soon be fixed to be based your login's total, and each account will be able to set their own preferred threshold, once the default threshold is reached the first time. If you don't want to wait, PM me and I'll figure a way to roll the whole credit to the address you've used more recently, so that one address will be owed 213 points, triggering payment. 

For future reference, if you have a specific task or payment history that you'd like to privately ask me to take a closer look at, you can send me a PM/DM via here or Twitter (to @CoinWorking), with the account or pay-to-address details.

Also for the curious, I haven't "already got money" from CrowdFlower for these tasks... those payments arrive about 1-2 months after the original tasks. All the usual bitcoin payouts that occur sooner than that are being fronted by CoinWorker.

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Cool project! I earn my first 200 points yesterday Smiley
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Most of the task works very well, but I have found a small bug.

There is a work where the user must first the first result of a Google search (for example a Lyric).

There is a problem: Google sometimes doesn't show the same results with the same query. If You find the same query in different countries, Google will show You different lists. This is a problem with the trap-questions, which doesn't have in account this detail.

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How do I contact customer support at Coinworker? 

I got a reply to messages I posted at getsatisfaction.com/crowdflower about some tasks I completed but didn't get paid for.
Michael @ crowdflower sent me some payment ids that he told me I should forward to "customer support at Coinworker"
in order to get paid.

I thought that crowdflower forum was the customer support forum for coinworker. 

Where do I forward those payment ids?
I shouldn't post those ids here in this thread should I?

I sent you, WargeGeoshington, a pm about this but am still waiting for a reply.

Thanks. 
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How do I contact customer support at Coinworker? 

I got a reply to messages I posted at getsatisfaction.com/crowdflower about some tasks I completed but didn't get paid for.
Michael @ crowdflower sent me some payment ids that he told me I should forward to "customer support at Coinworker"
in order to get paid.

I thought that crowdflower forum was the customer support forum for coinworker. 

Where do I forward those payment ids?
I shouldn't post those ids here in this thread should I?

I sent you, WargeGeoshington, a pm about this but am still waiting for a reply.

Thanks. 

A PM to me here, or mention/DM via Twitter (@CoinWorking), are the best ways to request I look into something.

I've responded privately to your PM with the results of my investigation so far.

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What's happening with the payment  Huh
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What's happening with the payment  Huh

I'm sorry, a bug in my payment-composing code stalled payments, starting about 22 hours ago. As of now, the bug is fixed and all payments due should be caught up.

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Are you sure the bug is fixed? (Sorry, this is my first time on coinworker).
I've had over 200 points for 16 minutes now, but no payout. How long should I wait?

http://imgur.com/gEmjM.png

Also, feature request, can tasks be removed from the wall after "You have completed all of the work that you can for this task."?

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Thanks Warge, I really like coinworker, earned 550+ points. Smiley
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Some tasks seem underpaid, 3 points for 3 pages that are long and require multiple searches is too little.
3 points a page would be more satisfactory

I seem to of had too low a pass rate on some tasks and are unable to re-try them, could this be changed?

Thanks
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Are you sure the bug is fixed? (Sorry, this is my first time on coinworker).
I've had over 200 points for 16 minutes now, but no payout. How long should I wait?

http://imgur.com/gEmjM.png

Sorry, there was a different backlog problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, payments are now caught up.

Note, though, that even when everything is working smoothly, eligible balances are paid about twice an hour, and there are a few other minor normal lags. So it could be up to 40 minutes after you hit the threshold that your payment transaction goes out. I've improved the wording on the profile page to better explain this.

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Also, feature request, can tasks be removed from the wall after "You have completed all of the work that you can for this task."?

That would be helpful. However, the listing of tasks comes from the task back-end (CrowdFlower), so a request for improvements there should go through the 'Help' -> 'Get Support' area available from the top-right "Help' button when working on a task. (I'm guessing that the per-task remaining eligibility and overall task-lists must come from different systems for CrowdFlower, or they would have fixed this already to save contributors time.)

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Thanks Warge, I really like coinworker, earned 550+ points. Smiley
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Some tasks seem underpaid, 3 points for 3 pages that are long and require multiple searches is too little.
3 points a page would be more satisfactory

I'm glad the site is working well for you!

The relative task values come from the companies/projects that originate the tasks... and they can adjust the values over time. (Also, sometimes task interfaces, explanations, and training data are fixed when at first they are confusing or inconsistent.) So if a task doesn't seem worth the effort, skip it -- and it may get improved when the task originators aren't getting enough quality contributions.

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Thanks
ivand

That tracking is out of my control -- it comes from the task back-end. But from others' reports, it's not always a permanent lock-out. Just keep checking back to see if new batches of tasks can again use your contributions.

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I would like to note my satisfaction. This is not a scam!
I received my payout overnight; transaction id is: 484a97fe72937909208ab4cff1cbd308fff4fa5a1cba9247cbd79b9e2aa7b8d6

Thanks CoinWorker!

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Is this like Gomez peer?
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Is this like Gomez peer?
Not, It's different, you work on some task and you get Bitcoins.

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Love this site, and the fact that it pays out so quick.

Ive been with a couple of other PTC sites that do tasks and they take ages to pay out and have large thresholds.

I can earn BTC much quicker doing tasks then I can by mining with my GPU, wicked.

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Is this like Gomez peer?

LOL I do Gomez Peer too.  Which one do you make more with per month, Gomez or this?
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i stopped gomez because this year i did not get any work from the client, have not tried for a month now.
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Hi, Warge, my points have exceed 200 for many hours, but the coins have not been sent, can you help to check?

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Hi, Warge, my points have exceed 200 for many hours, but the coins have not been sent, can you help to check?

I'm sorry; the 'hot wallet' serving payments got too low for a bit, and then some hosting issues slowed the recovery once the hot wallet was refilled.

All payments should be caught up now.

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Hi, Warge, my points have exceed 200 for many hours, but the coins have not been sent, can you help to check?

I'm sorry; the 'hot wallet' serving payments got too low for a bit, and then some hosting issues slowed the recovery once the hot wallet was refilled.

All payments should be caught up now.

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I see, thanks a lot

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Interesting project you have there, I am subscribing.
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hi warge, why my address no get paid yet?

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The 200 point threshold must be reached per login account, not per address. The 3,749 points earned on behalf of that address were earned by 35 distinct accounts, none of which is currently over the 200 point threshold. Of these 35 addresses, 34 are via a throwaway email service.

Perhaps you have a large family, or sports team, all working for the same address. In that case, each personal account must reach the 200 point threshold individually. But I should also remind you of the CoinWorker Terms of Service -- http://coinworker.com/terms -- including especially:

  • Any balances offered or displayed are only estimates and provisional until paid. CoinWorker may delay, adjust, or nullify pending balances for any reason.
  • You agree that your contributions of analytical work are the product of your own unique good-faith effort, using a single registered account per person, and will be performed in accordance with current general and per-task instructions.

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Hi,
is  there a problem with the payment system?
I have account with 200+ pending points but in two addresses /the last tasks i made was 6 hours ago/. Am i supposed to use only one address?
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Hi,
is  there a problem with the payment system?
I have account with 200+ pending points but in two addresses /the last tasks i made was 6 hours ago/. Am i supposed to use only one address?

There was about an 8-hour period where payments fell behind, when the 'hot wallet' was temporarily depleted. All payments should have been caught up as of about 12 hours ago. If you still have any pending issues, let me know here or via DM (with your account details).

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Hey Warge, I have a problem, my current bitcoin address that I am using is to be expired. Can you make an option to change the address so the points can go to a new one? Or could you send the 144 pints now before it expires?

thanks
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Hey Warge, I have a problem, my current bitcoin address that I am using is to be expired. Can you make an option to change the address so the points can go to a new one? Or could you send the 144 pints now before it expires?

thanks
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Expired? I'm not familiar with this quality of bitcoin addresses! Will you be losing control of your private key at some specific time?

Please send me your CoinWorker login via DM and I'll see what I can do.

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How much is one point on Coinworker nowadays?

I remember there were tasks at 10-20 points per task and that was close to nothing.

Now, I can only see 1 point tasks in the list, did you change the value of the point, because otherwise it's like ... zero payment.
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How much is one point on Coinworker nowadays?

I remember there were tasks at 10-20 points per task and that was close to nothing.

Now, I can only see 1 point tasks in the list, did you change the value of the point, because otherwise it's like ... zero payment.

They not only give out less points per task now but the points are worth less as well.

It used to be 200 points ( which one needs to collect before they payout ) used to
equal about 0.4 BTC, now it is more like 200 points = 0.3 BTC. 

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They not only give out less points per task now but the points are worth less as well.

It used to be 200 points ( which one needs to collect before they payout ) used to
equal about 0.4 BTC, now it is more like 200 points = 0.3 BTC. 



wow... the project is dead in the water
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How much is one point on Coinworker nowadays?

I remember there were tasks at 10-20 points per task and that was close to nothing.

Now, I can only see 1 point tasks in the list, did you change the value of the point, because otherwise it's like ... zero payment.

They not only give out less points per task now but the points are worth less as well.

It used to be 200 points ( which one needs to collect before they payout ) used to
equal about 0.4 BTC, now it is more like 200 points = 0.3 BTC. 


One CoinWorker point has always been equivalent to one cent in American dollars (USD$0.01).

If the value of 200 points has gone down from 0.4btc to 0.3 btc... well, that's just a symptom of Bitcoin's appreciation. There's no loss to the CoinWorker from that change: he's getting less BTC but it's worth more.

The point value of tasks has varied, in some cases from task providers, but also because there are issues with bursty high-volume and questionable-quality activity that I'm still struggling to handle in the best possible way. One risk-reducing measure I've taken so far has been adjusting payouts downward. If I come up with better options, payouts will rise. The best I can say in the meantime is that whenever the current payouts are unattractive, check back in another week or two... CoinWorker will still be here, with a different and maybe better mix of tasks and payouts.

wow... the project is dead in the water

In fact it continues to grow slowly and steadily... and other than a few temporary systems/hosting glitches, CoinWorker has paid out in accordance with its published terms, like clockwork, since it opened almost 6 months ago. I'd rather have people temporarily disappointed by the advertised payouts, than ever miss a promised payout.

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Can you please pay out my address though? 1 cent/task is the max right now, and that's not gonna happen.

I recommend asking me for a signature from my GPG key before doing a trade. I will NEVER deny such a request.
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Made som tests, not to happy though.
I wonder about the underlaying platform from crowdflower, once I worked and trained for 0,5h and then backend couldnt handle the load so after some time all effort was lost, duh. Another try was with a webpage and some searching, but it seemed like the task was only for fooling for a search. The site had the form www.www.casinosomething.com.com and couldnt be clicked from inside the task only searched for, and when one hadnt clicked by the task site it was impossible to finish. Duh, not coinworkers fault I guess but some QA must be done from either crowflower or coinworker so one dont have to waste time.
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Can you please pay out my address though? 1 cent/task is the max right now, and that's not gonna happen.

Send me a DM with your CoinWorker login name (it doesn't seem to be 'nimda') and I'll see what I can do, if you're close to the threshold. I'll also be lowering the threshold soon, probably to 100 points, if that will help.

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Hmm, I don't get any tasks. Did 1 task yesterday, think it was just some kind of test and earned 0 points. And now there's only 1 task available worth of 2 points and when click it, it says that it's finished. Does my location affect to those available tasks? And how many tasks there should be / day? I'm pretty new, so might be that I do something wrong?

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Hmm, I don't get any tasks. Did 1 task yesterday, think it was just some kind of test and earned 0 points. And now there's only 1 task available worth of 2 points and when click it, it says that it's finished. Does my location affect to those available tasks? And how many tasks there should be / day? I'm pretty new, so might be that I do something wrong?
For many tasks, the location is relevant. My tasklist looks pretty much like yours it seems. I haven't done any task for months now because CrowdFlower (who is running the backend) seems to be incapable. Their support board is filled with complains about accuracy problems, missing points and bugs (Simple bugs haven't been fixed since weeks. Or listing finished tasks as available). What's even worse is that the payment constantly goes down while the amount of time you'd need to invest increases.

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Can you please pay out my address though? 1 cent/task is the max right now, and that's not gonna happen.

Send me a DM with your CoinWorker login name (it doesn't seem to be 'nimda') and I'll see what I can do, if you're close to the threshold. I'll also be lowering the threshold soon, probably to 100 points, if that will help.

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Lowering the threshold to 100 points will be much better...With that 1 or 2 points per task it takes me around 2 weeks to get paid....
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Payments are currently on hold for pending balances under 200 points. (This is calculated per login, not per pay-to address.
So does it mean that i never get my 97 Points with 0.109BTC
to 1MdnetjkbpZueR7aWhRERJQ46L3JK6kXN5 (blueshoe)
Would it make sense if I work another 3 points?
What happens now with the 0.109BTC? Who gets them?
So much does a cigarette for me. If someone wants to have a cigarette?
I give away. maybe someone can buy them to eat for a day.
How long you have to work for a cigarette?
What now? who gets the 0.109BTC?



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Payments are currently on hold for pending balances under 200 points. (This is calculated per login, not per pay-to address.
So does it mean that i never get my 97 Points with 0.109BTC
to 1MdnetjkbpZueR7aWhRERJQ46L3JK6kXN5 (blueshoe)
Would it make sense if I work another 3 points?
What happens now with the 0.109BTC? Who gets them?
So much does a cigarette for me. If someone wants to have a cigarette?
I give away. maybe someone can buy them to eat for a day.
How long you have to work for a cigarette?
What now? who gets the 0.109BTC?

To answer your question, $0.109 stays in your account until you reach over 200 point!
Once you reach 200 payout will be slighly higher and will be to your address that you provide on website!

As of matter, I got paid twice totalling: 0.35720124BTC in space 7 day between! It work!
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200 points is extremely excessive. That would take hours to achieve, NOT “minutes” like the misleading thread title claims.
Before coinworker required logins, I did many tasks and earned quite a bit. Why should I suddenly be penalized for being a loyal user?
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Can you please pay out my address though? 1 cent/task is the max right now, and that's not gonna happen.

Send me a DM with your CoinWorker login name (it doesn't seem to be 'nimda') and I'll see what I can do, if you're close to the threshold. I'll also be lowering the threshold soon, probably to 100 points, if that will help.

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Hey ya'll, just can me a newb! I am at 400 plus points and have been for over 3 days I believe. I was wondering when I might start seeing this BTC start coming through. It says my actions are still pending. Please help me Warge! Thanks!

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Are you sure the bug is fixed? (Sorry, this is my first time on coinworker).
I've had over 200 points for 16 minutes now, but no payout. How long should I wait?

http://imgur.com/gEmjM.png

Sorry, there was a different backlog problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, payments are now caught up.

Note, though, that even when everything is working smoothly, eligible balances are paid about twice an hour, and there are a few other minor normal lags. So it could be up to 40 minutes after you hit the threshold that your payment transaction goes out. I've improved the wording on the profile page to better explain this.

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Also, feature request, can tasks be removed from the wall after "You have completed all of the work that you can for this task."?

That would be helpful. However, the listing of tasks comes from the task back-end (CrowdFlower), so a request for improvements there should go through the 'Help' -> 'Get Support' area available from the top-right "Help' button when working on a task. (I'm guessing that the per-task remaining eligibility and overall task-lists must come from different systems for CrowdFlower, or they would have fixed this already to save contributors time.)

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I am over 400 points and still have not been paid yet. HELP!!!! triplecjewelry
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Is this site really trustworthy?  Huh

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Is this site really trustworthy?  Huh

Yes it is, I have earned approx. 0.6 BTC from them.

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Is this site really trustworthy?  Huh

Yes it is, I have earned approx. 0.6 BTC from them.
Thanks, I think I'm gonna try it!

Would you mind to tell how much time it took to earn 0.6 BTC from them?
Thanks again!

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September 22, 2012, 07:47:28 PM
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Is this site really trustworthy?  Huh

Yes it is, I have earned approx. 0.6 BTC from them.
Thanks, I think I'm gonna try it!

Would you mind to tell how much time it took to earn 0.6 BTC from them?
Thanks again!

It takes a while, depends how much hours you put into it. But, it also depends on what tasks they have up and how long it takes to finish the tasks.

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September 22, 2012, 07:50:06 PM
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Is this site really trustworthy?  Huh

Yes it is, I have earned approx. 0.6 BTC from them.
Thanks, I think I'm gonna try it!

Would you mind to tell how much time it took to earn 0.6 BTC from them?
Thanks again!

It takes a while, depends how much hours you put into it. But, it also depends on what tasks they have up and how long it takes to finish the tasks.
OK, I'm gonna try and see what comes up! Thank you. =)

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September 22, 2012, 10:55:21 PM
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I am over 400 points and still have not been paid yet. HELP!!!! triplecjewelry


I'm very sorry: some code that was designed to protect against surprise/nonsense exchange rate data backfired when the rate really did get over $12/BTC.

The bug has been corrected and catchup payments sent.

Thanks for your patience and let me know if there are any other questions or concerns.

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Can you please pay out my address though? 1 cent/task is the max right now, and that's not gonna happen.

Send me a DM with your CoinWorker login name (it doesn't seem to be 'nimda') and I'll see what I can do, if you're close to the threshold. I'll also be lowering the threshold soon, probably to 100 points, if that will help.

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Hey ya'll, just can me a newb! I am at 400 plus points and have been for over 3 days I believe. I was wondering when I might start seeing this BTC start coming through. It says my actions are still pending. Please help me Warge! Thanks!

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September 26, 2012, 01:40:28 PM
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I have a problem, I registered on CoinWorker four days ago and checked the tasks about 25 times a day, but every time I check there is only one task in the list which is for Japan (I live nowhere near Japan).

Here is a screenshot:

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September 27, 2012, 12:13:12 AM
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I have a problem, I registered on CoinWorker four days ago and checked the tasks about 25 times a day, but every time I check there is only one task in the list which is for Japan (I live nowhere near Japan).

Sorry about that. I believe the tasks back-end is using IP address to control task availability.

Is there a chance your internet-provider routes things through Japan? (For example, what does an online service like http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_my_ip report as your approximate location using IP to guess?)

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September 27, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
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I have a problem, I registered on CoinWorker four days ago and checked the tasks about 25 times a day, but every time I check there is only one task in the list which is for Japan (I live nowhere near Japan).

Sorry about that. I believe the tasks back-end is using IP address to control task availability.

Is there a chance your internet-provider routes things through Japan? (For example, what does an online service like http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_my_ip report as your approximate location using IP to guess?)

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Your right it's working fine now that I am using a VPN, thanks for the advice.
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This is ridiculous, I can no longer do the categorize business ones because I entered http://www.bankofamerica.com instead of https://www.bankofamerica.com, even though I copied and pasted the search result.

This combined with he find address on the map ones that have the location in the middle of the ocean are really frustrating.

How can I get a  second chance to do these?

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This is ridiculous, I can no longer do the categorize business ones because I entered http://www.bankofamerica.com instead of https://www.bankofamerica.com, even though I copied and pasted the search result.

This combined with he find address on the map ones that have the location in the middle of the ocean are really frustrating.

How can I get a  second chance to do these?

From your screenshot, it seems you reported it through the proper CrowdFlower channels. My impression is that tasks and task-training sometimes have glitches that get worked out over time, with enough reports.

Just keep checking back for when similar and possibly improved tasks appear.

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October 06, 2012, 01:17:04 AM
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I registered for CoinWorker two days ago with the impression that I'd be able to earn some money doing human intelligence tasks (in a similar spirit to Amazon's Mechanical Turk). While the website did leave said impression, there's still some things that I thought would be nice to discuss regarding the website:

  • Organization:
The tasks page performs as intended, but is nevertheless a list of somewhat disparate tasks (among the ever-so-common "Search Google and answer questions about the search results" tasks). Would be nice if they were categorized by locale, language, and job type just to name a few.

  • Availability:
For me, availability in CoinWorker lends itself to many different ideas. One, the set of tasks to choose from is somewhat limited to the torrent of "Search Google and answer questions about the search results" tasks and Japanese/Korean tasks. It would be nice to have more creative, engaging, and higher-paying tasks than the ones provided at this very moment (e.g. "Write Short Answers to Questions").

What availability can also mean is the amount of available tasks of a certain category (represented by the x available text in the red square beside every task listing). Many times during my short stay at CoinWorker have I clicked on a certain task, only to be greeted with a Finished! page without actually performing any task. If only said counter were more accurate at showing you how many tasks of a certain category are actually available.

A third facet of the availability argument lies in what happens when you complete all the work you can for a certain task. Such a situation should probably have said task removed from the list of available tasks, or at least have the listing for said task differentiated from the other available ones.

Let me tell you: being a(n unemployed) student; performing such simple tasks like the ones posted on CoinWorker not only occupies my free time in a semi-purposeful manner, it also helps me earn the bitcoins I would never be able to achieve with CPU mining of any sort (due to not being financially equipped to take the volatile risk of investing in GPU/ASIC). All it needs are little improvements here and there to keep the concept fresh and alive; looking forward to earning (then, cashing out) my first 200 points! :3

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October 08, 2012, 05:36:09 AM
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A very interesting site, I've already done some 'mind mining'.

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The site has been promising when it started and I made a few coins there, but over the past months I've stopped using it.
I logged in again a few days ago to see that I have only japanese tasks, and I'm nowhere near Japan or proxying.
The company behind it, Crowdflower, seems to be really clueless when it comes to solving problems: their support site is flooded with complains and nothing really gets solved.
Also, the rewards have dropped constantly to a level where you can earn more by going for a walk and looking for a penny on the street.
That's pretty sad, because I really liked the idea.

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October 09, 2012, 07:47:35 PM
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Looks like someone's been making a small fortune there: 
Working: http://coinworker.com/activity/1M1VbdoakFcTgJpHX8SSX5wJDnJBoboKty
Getting paid: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1M1VbdoakFcTgJpHX8SSX5wJDnJBoboKty


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Small fortune from 17:43-20:09?

In total 02:26, or 2.4333 hours for 21*0.0017=0.0357 BTC which means 0.0147 BTC/hour
With MtGox listing $11.93818 as the average currently, that's $0.1755/hour.

There are complains in the CrowdFlower forum about those low payments.
Warge should look for alternatives.

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Small fortune from 17:43-20:09?

I guess you couldn't see my tongue in my cheek!  Wink

There are complains in the CrowdFlower forum about those low payments.

Perhaps, although it's the "free market" setting those prices. If no one would work for those wages, then it's likely the going rate would rise.  Of course, that kind of work (e.g. determine if this address is a business or a residence) has some, but limited value to the requester. Also, since CrowdFlower asks each question of multiple workers, the individual payment is a fraction of what the requester paid for the question.

Warge should look for alternatives.

Looks like using CrowdFlower provides a stream of questions to be answered, so it has some value.  It may be that CrowdFlower evaluates which "labor partners" are best suited for different tasks, and allocates jobs accordingly.  If that's the case, then if/as better workers join CoinWorker, better, higher paying jobs will be assigned.
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December 02, 2012, 08:36:09 AM
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whats going on with coinworker ? they suxs now

i just found that message: "Payments are currently on hold for pending balances under 180 points."

what the hell! its damn easy to mistake sometimes and then your % of accuracy drops a lot, and then you are unable to keep
mining with your mind,
all your efforts and time lost for nothing, time ago coinworker was nice, paying constantly, now this rule is just cr4p to make you work
and avoid been paid.
180 points... 180 ddos deserves this web.

i succeed to make 0.6 bitcoins in the past and a lot of time inversion, now it just don't worth the effort at all.
I am very disappointed. 
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It seems like the payments/points were steadily falling.. Obviously crowdflower are testing how low they can go.
So, in this case the best you can do is stop working for them once they cross your limit. Hopefully they will readjust the payments again then.

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Well Ente's reply explains the bad money I've got.. I know, it's free.. But come on I'm not some kind of slave (although I'm not forced to do it, I'd like some better payment).
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Has anybody else also encountered non-payments of points after completing a task?

I've already completed two 17-points tasks: (Évaluation des résultats de recherche sur www.pagesdor.be (R)), but my points never went up at all...
Also the % of accuracy never went up after completing these tasks...

Anyone else encountered such problems???

EDIT: the finished tasks are also not listed under "completed tasks" :s WTF is going on HuhHuh
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January 01, 2013, 01:08:19 AM
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Has anybody else also encountered non-payments of points after completing a task?

I've already completed two 17-points tasks: (Évaluation des résultats de recherche sur www.pagesdor.be (R)), but my points never went up at all...
Also the % of accuracy never went up after completing these tasks...

Anyone else encountered such problems???

EDIT: the finished tasks are also not listed under "completed tasks" :s WTF is going on HuhHuh

I haven't seen reports of such problems previously, other than occasional brief delays in some reports, which catch up in a matter of hours.

If you DM me your CoinWorker login name or pay-to address, I'll take a closer look in case there's a new error, or something specific with those tasks.

Note that while points are usually credited in within a minute or two, payments only happen once your total reaches the payout threshold (currently 180pts).

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I've been using this site for a couple hours now, and I have 0.06 BTC.  It's a great idea, and although it could be more (and the 180 point limit is really annoying), it seems like one of the better ways to make BTC of the web without any specialized knowledge.

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Hi, I have noticed recently that some of the task completed were never paid, some are over 3~4 days now.  For some reason, other more recent tasks are paid in subsequent batches, ignoring the unpaid tasks all together. 

For example, SalvorHardin - 2013-Jan-13 01:29 - 3 points - 1Gb8deP1prDXbeHRBTTPjxv6VWDnrFwM8d - "NEW RULES: Flag and tag images that contain adult content", were never paid.
There are even older unpaid tasks than this task, but apparently the "Activity" list at Coinworker can only show 100 most recent tasks. 
You can only now see that there are tasks unpaid by tabulating the points from unpaid tasks, e.g. at this moment, there are only 9 unpaid tasks out of 100 tasks, but they only add up to 17 points, vs 23 points unpaid on the account.  So I know that there are at least two 3 points tasks left unpaid beyond the most recent 100 completed tasks.

I am asking this because I start to notice this happening on Jan 13 Sunday.  At the time, I thought that it was just a hiccup, and the unpaid tasks will be included in the next batch of payment.  But I have just completed over 180 points and got paid again.  But those unpaid tasks remain unpaid, except that they can NOT be seen from the Activity List anymore.
I have also noticed that more tasks have become unpaid on list (i.e. did not get included in the most recent payment) and I worry that they won't be included in the future payment either. 
Please investigate and see what's going on here.  Thank you.
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Hi, as there was no response to my last post, please note that I have received another batch of payment for my works today. 

Yet, the previous unpaid tasks still remain unpaid.  In fact, they have started to accumulated.  Rather than 23 points unpaid, now they are 28 points unpaid spread over 14 completed tasks.  Due to the 100 most recent tasks limit, the Activity list displays only 11 unpaid tasks now.  The older unpaid 3 tasks from 5 days ago have now disappeared from the listing, but their points still count toward the Pending Balance. 

Please find a way to see if the unpaid tasks can be included into future payment   Thank you.
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Hi, as there was no response to my last post, please note that I have received another batch of payment for my works today. 

Yet, the previous unpaid tasks still remain unpaid.  In fact, they have started to accumulated.  Rather than 23 points unpaid, now they are 28 points unpaid spread over 14 completed tasks.  Due to the 100 most recent tasks limit, the Activity list displays only 11 unpaid tasks now.  The older unpaid 3 tasks from 5 days ago have now disappeared from the listing, but their points still count toward the Pending Balance. 

Please find a way to see if the unpaid tasks can be included into future payment   Thank you.

Thanks for reporting your concerns. I think the confusion may be due to the fact that the payment trigger must be reached per CoinWorker login account, not per pay-to-address.

My per-login-account reports show SalvorHardin with an 84 point balance, all earned since 2013-Jan-20 03:41 UTC. All prior work was paid  then... there are no older unpaid tasks on that account.

Any later tasks you see paid on the activity page were done by another account though with the same pay-to address. That account's balance hit the trigger, and so all of its tasks were paid, but this had no effect (positive or negative) on the separate SalvorHardin tasks. I will send you more information via a DM.

To give a more complete picture and allay any concerns that older unpaid work is not being shown, the address activity pages will now show the last 200 units. Also, your per-user profile page, accessible while logged-in by clicking the top-right login name link, should always show all unpaid "Tasks Pending Payment", no matter the age or count.

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Thank you for the reply.  

I normally do not login into Coinworker and instead use a shortcut as per "http://coinworker.com/tasks/1Gb8deP1prDXbeHRBTTPjxv6VWDnrFwM8d".  Apparently this also means that I almost never logout.  Therefore, depending on my previous login and my location, i.e. whether accessiong Coinworker from home or office, tasks payment pile up separately under different login and naturally are indistinguishable (to me at least) due to using the same payment address.  But at least I know what the problem was and most importantly, that the payment will accumulate and be made at 180 points for separate logins, regardless of under which logins the tasks were performed.  

I was naturally worried since I saw my pending balance reaches 400 points yesterday.  I also checked the different payment adddresses of fellow Coinworkers and notice that some had over 300 points unpaid balance and several with around 200 points (e.g. 1D3stvWcGFKR6nVHGULcwDMy8aAPNVtB4p , 14kXUG8HriKyoe478BQRwJBHX6WTvHYbsK, 1AtWSc3GKs4e4NsgmVyvhJVxq5u9wZuhvG).   I just tag and shortcut their account and check to see whether their accounts have been paid, from time to time.
As some of the older unpaid tasks dated from Jan 15, when USD/BTC was around 14, compare to the rather dizzying 17.5 yesterday.  Thus the BTC received has been reduced effectively by 20% due to the exchange rate fluctuation during this period.  

Fortunately I just saw the payment a few hours ago and I would like to thank you as it was quite a relief.  I would like to thank you for creating Coinworker and for the services that it provides to the Bitcoin community.    
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Hey man im over 100 jobs now im a qualified for a bonus?
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How is it that Joinitnow has 32k crowdcred in one day? What tasks is that user doing to generate such large amount of cred, and subsequently btc?
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I discovered today a huge bug that could just potentially held me back the whole time! Yesterday night I was looking at my profile page and it said I had 149 points in total. Then I looked today and it had 129 points, later today again I looked and it went down to 125 points? And I've been completing a lot of tasks in between and they have been filling up to the total amount assigned to my address (the one displayed on top with BTC count and Points in total for the address). What is going on here? Admin please help.

For the rest, the idea behind your site... is great! I hope to see more of this in the near future from others. Also, some people pointed out about the accuracy being a real fragile spot and I have to agree... Some good tasks could be made unavailable just because of a misstep, which can happen and the question is also if it is the users fault or the fault of the system's. My idea would be, yes let the accuracy rule go. But let it only count for 12 hours. As the 12 hours subside, the user is permitted again to do the task.

Anyway Admin, let me know on this issue I'm having cause I think I already passed the 180 points long time ago actually.
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Works good, but goodness some tasks take forever.
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March 19, 2013, 02:36:14 AM
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I discovered today a huge bug that could just potentially held me back the whole time! Yesterday night I was looking at my profile page and it said I had 149 points in total. Then I looked today and it had 129 points, later today again I looked and it went down to 125 points? And I've been completing a lot of tasks in between and they have been filling up to the total amount assigned to my address (the one displayed on top with BTC count and Points in total for the address). What is going on here? Admin please help.

I don't know any reason or bug that would cause a point balance to decrease, other than you being paid. I'll take a closer look if you DM me your CoinWorker login name.

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For the rest, the idea behind your site... is great! I hope to see more of this in the near future from others. Also, some people pointed out about the accuracy being a real fragile spot and I have to agree... Some good tasks could be made unavailable just because of a misstep, which can happen and the question is also if it is the users fault or the fault of the system's. My idea would be, yes let the accuracy rule go. But let it only count for 12 hours. As the 12 hours subside, the user is permitted again to do the task.

Glad you like it!

These sorts of quality and eligibility issues are completely up to the control of CrowdFlower, the back-end task provider, based on what they think gets them the best quality work. You can give CrowdFlower feedback via the top-right 'Help' drop-down (that also shows a 'contributor id'), use its 'get support' option (which requires extra registration with CrowdFlower).

I remember other users saying that they could eventually retry the kinds of tasks they'd been locked out of... but that maybe after a longer time or more other acceptable work that rehabilitates you in the eyes of CrowdFlower. I can't see any worker's accuracy by task, only a vague overall estimate.

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March 30, 2013, 04:27:41 AM
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The 180 points limit is too high. Also the money paid decreases at Bitcoin increases their prices.
I suggest to use BTC directly (not points), and giving them every week to keep transaction fees low.

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hey boss

my username is viperz007
i had my points 202 right now since 3 weeks ago
pls i still didnt get paid Sad
b4 bitcoin price went up my bitcoin was

.03 bitcoin = 202 points    now  .0187 = 202 points Sad
i didnt mind it because i thought its just pending payment now its been 3 weeks still not paid
i stop working since because im scared i wont be payed and my bitcoin keeps goin down hmmmmm
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April 03, 2013, 04:26:05 AM
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hey boss

my username is viperz007
i had my points 202 right now since 3 weeks ago
pls i still didnt get paid Sad
b4 bitcoin price went up my bitcoin was

.03 bitcoin = 202 points    now  .0187 = 202 points Sad
i didnt mind it because i thought its just pending payment now its been 3 weeks still not paid
i stop working since because im scared i wont be payed and my bitcoin keeps goin down hmmmmm

Hi, viperz007. FYI, your login only has a 166 point balance. An address you've been working for has a 202 point balance - but only because another registered user, with a different username and email address, has also done 36 points of work for this address.

You can always see your true login balance on your personal, private profile page (http://coinworker.com/accounts/profile) -- accessible by clicking your username in the top-right corner of the page while logged-in.

This confusing dual-reporting (both per login and per address) is because all tracking and payment triggers used to be only address-based, but then had to change to login-based after certain patterns of abuse. The interface will be updated to be more clear soon, but in the meantime, the top of the activity-log page for an address worked by multiple accounts will include the note:

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Note: Payments occur when the pending balance of a login account (not an address) goes over 180 points. (If you see an address with a larger balance remain unpaid, its work is likely split between many accounts which have not reached the threshold )

You can also DM me if you'd like to discuss in more detail in private.

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April 04, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
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Due to the security bleach at: https://www.instawallet.org

My btc address is being affected!

What came it be done with remaining points in my account?

My user name: splat44
Points: 155
my BTC address: 1DW4vSMWDqbMHiD7LQAhESTm2qmDen4cMm

My btc address was created by instawallet

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April 04, 2013, 07:04:24 PM
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Due to the security bleach at: https://www.instawallet.org

My btc address is being affected!

What came it be done with remaining points in my account?

My user name: splat44
Points: 155
my BTC address: 1DW4vSMWDqbMHiD7LQAhESTm2qmDen4cMm

My btc address was created by instawallet

A bunch of people have been affected by this.

I am working on a solution that will allow a logged-in user to reassign finished-but-not-yet-paid work to a new address. This should be available within 12-24 hours. When it is available, details will be findable on your http://coinworker.com/accounts/profile page.

Until then, please don't make your balance reach 180pts or higher - it will trigger a payment to the old address!

Thanks for your patience as we adapt,

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April 04, 2013, 07:32:13 PM
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Perfect!

Due to the security bleach at: https://www.instawallet.org

My btc address is being affected!

What came it be done with remaining points in my account?

My user name: splat44
Points: 155
my BTC address: 1DW4vSMWDqbMHiD7LQAhESTm2qmDen4cMm

My btc address was created by instawallet

A bunch of people have been affected by this.

I am working on a solution that will allow a logged-in user to reassign finished-but-not-yet-paid work to a new address. This should be available within 12-24 hours. When it is available, details will be findable on your http://coinworker.com/accounts/profile page.

Until then, please don't make your balance reach 180pts or higher - it will trigger a payment to the old address!

Thanks for your patience as we adapt,

{Warge

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April 05, 2013, 07:50:49 AM
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I'd written:

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I am working on a solution that will allow a logged-in user to reassign finished-but-not-yet-paid work to a new address. This should be available within 12-24 hours. When it is available, details will be findable on your http://coinworker.com/accounts/profile page.

This function is now live. On the http://coinworker.com/accounts/profile page, just above the list of pending tasks, is a small form for entering a new payment address. All pending tasks will be updated to reflect the new address submitted here.

More helpful changes to the profile page are coming soon.

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April 05, 2013, 09:19:33 AM
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I'd written:

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I am working on a solution that will allow a logged-in user to reassign finished-but-not-yet-paid work to a new address. This should be available within 12-24 hours. When it is available, details will be findable on your h