Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC

[smoothie]

There are so many questions within this thread that Goat has avoided to address.

One of which is the topic concerning how the funds were not going to be disclosed on how they were invested. Meaning Goat could have cashed the bonds out into BTC and invested else where.

Saying that Theymos has the coins without proof is just hogwash.

Goat took on debt denominated in BTC...that is very clear (SEE BELOW)

Goat has proven within this thread how he is not going to share information he supposedly has to discredit the accusation of the OP, will deflect all direct questions that question the DEBT he took on that is in the OP and confirmed via Theymos, and will try to find the smallest thing to blow up bigger than it really is and cry about it to no end.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

[augustocroppo]

Jurisdiction? Everyone can be sued everywhere based on his crimes.

No, d00d, that is not how it works. Your completely ignorance of what jurisdiction means is just laughable.

If they are virtual and international an assistant can be claimed everytime from the court and the gouverment itself as part of the European Union. Like i said when the case start on Monday,everything will be public.
In that time,you can only try to play smart over internet,but when all of you see how this comes real,my custumer will be the one who whill laugh last.

We are all waiting for this trial in the kangaroo court you are preparing!

[augustocroppo]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556208.0;all

After the warm welcome ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=543089.0 ) we decide to start our services.
We are law firm based on Europe with lawyers from Romania,Macedonia,Bulgaria and Ukraine.
We currently don't have website because all our cases are based local so far.
We are seven financial law specialists and we are here to help about your financial and bitcoin problems.
Depends on the case our team will pick some of our lawyers based on which country would have better chance with the specific case.
We have won 54 cases so far with 2 in process.
All of them was about financial crimes and frauds.
We can verify the information without any problems.
Our prices starts from 0.5 to 1btc per hour for any financial/bitcoin problems/questions.
Prices about staring case depends on which Country we will choose to use because of the laws on it.
We have big experience and our specialists know exactly what they are doing and how to get the best result.
The defendant is not obliged to visit the courts physical,that is the best part.
There is no problem starting a case against American citizen or firm from European country,it is even better because it will make the defendant part harder.
No matter the defendant visit the Country/Court or not,case continues with or without him based on the proofs agaisnt the fraud/crime.

*Ask your questions via Private message.
**Skype may be requested for faster communicate and better service.

So, where your lawyer company is incorporated?

0.5 to 1 BTC?
I hope you are joking; No one will pay so much money for an "internet lawyer". Can you proof that you are a lawyer, eg. any certificates?

Ofcourse we can
You think our price is big ? (220 to 440$ per hour based on btc prices nowdays)
Our prices are lowered for the new service here,we take much more than this price from our phisycal clients.
If you are looking for cheapest services,then you are not looking for good lawyers.
"Internet lawyer" or physical one is the same,not sure why you think you will find cheap professional services?
If you are looking for someone who will teach in moove and not sure what he is doing,then i believe you will find someone cheap than us willing to take your money with doing nothing in frong.

US$ 200 to US$ 400 per hour for the services of an unidentified lawyer company operating somewhere in  Romania/Macedonia/Bulgaria/Ukraine?

 

[Xelpherpolis]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556208.0;all

After the warm welcome ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=543089.0 ) we decide to start our services.
We are law firm based on Europe with lawyers from Romania,Macedonia,Bulgaria and Ukraine.
We currently don't have website because all our cases are based local so far.
We are seven financial law specialists and we are here to help about your financial and bitcoin problems.
Depends on the case our team will pick some of our lawyers based on which country would have better chance with the specific case.
We have won 54 cases so far with 2 in process.
All of them was about financial crimes and frauds.
We can verify the information without any problems.
Our prices starts from 0.5 to 1btc per hour for any financial/bitcoin problems/questions.
Prices about staring case depends on which Country we will choose to use because of the laws on it.
We have big experience and our specialists know exactly what they are doing and how to get the best result.
The defendant is not obliged to visit the courts physical,that is the best part.
There is no problem starting a case against American citizen or firm from European country,it is even better because it will make the defendant part harder.
No matter the defendant visit the Country/Court or not,case continues with or without him based on the proofs agaisnt the fraud/crime.

*Ask your questions via Private message.
**Skype may be requested for faster communicate and better service.

So, where your lawyer company is incorporated?

0.5 to 1 BTC?
I hope you are joking; No one will pay so much money for an "internet lawyer". Can you proof that you are a lawyer, eg. any certificates?

Ofcourse we can
You think our price is big ? (220 to 440$ per hour based on btc prices nowdays)
Our prices are lowered for the new service here,we take much more than this price from our phisycal clients.
If you are looking for cheapest services,then you are not looking for good lawyers.
"Internet lawyer" or physical one is the same,not sure why you think you will find cheap professional services?
If you are looking for someone who will teach in moove and not sure what he is doing,then i believe you will find someone cheap than us willing to take your money with doing nothing in frong.

US$ 200 to US$ 400 per hour for the services of an unidentified lawyer company operating somewhere in  Romania/Macedonia/Bulgaria/Ukraine?

 

I have to agree, that sounds dodgy as fuck.

[V.Kodoff]

I have more than fun time reading all your troll posts and arguments.
None of you understand anything about law and jurisdiction.
The one who needs our documents the one who needs them have them.
None of you are custumers of mine to need them.
And it will be more than fun to keep reading all the things which all are saying.

[augustocroppo]

Has anyone even verified Gurrty's post history?

On 3rd July 2011:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg320353#msg320353

Hi I am a pro when it comes to my knowledge about bitcoin and economic theory. But I am a "newbie" so I am only allowed to post in this section. Screw this, I would like to post some serious comments now!

Then he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 13th May 2012:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg898776#msg898776

Did I say my name is Gurrty?

Again, he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 10th April 2013:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172106.msg1790644#msg1790644

My uncle gave me an insurance job by summer 2010. Soon I am 22 years old:)

I worked autumn 2010 spring 2011 summer 2011. I read in a coumputer forum spring 2011 about bitcoin. I can earn money with my powerfull computers cool:)

Summer rally I watched was sporring and fun. I didn't have so many but it was ok. I wanted a respectfull stash and was working for it. My job buddy was talking about a mortgage. Hmm It just happend my house was sold to them who lived there. So I could buy my apartment 50% below market value. With good job I could easy get a mortgage for my apartment.

Summer 2011 was fun and one like you feel. My life have never been something special so everything is not so normal it seemed.

Autumn 2011. My best friend from later school years is beginning to work in same group on my job. Very special just like in school:) SO now we can go on important meetings tougher.

My mortgage loan is sign and my fiat money just happen to hit 3$ per bitcoin median price for all 15000 bitcoin. BITCOIN IS DEAD!!! CRASH!!! BURRN!! MANIPULATOR! in forum. Myself of cours knows bitcoin will go somewhere...

And I have very fun. Traveling to London Autumn 2011. Smokes silkroad weed and other secret drugs:) Winter 2011-2012 I become sick but I am not "sick" because I have always been I just know how to find and fix it after something special happend. I am working with health insurance so with my knowledge every kind of doctor, health fixer is a liar and is hurting people. I know how every people needs to be cured but know one will understand me. It seems no one can identify its sickness to understand want really is wrong. But I understand that all need to feel yourself what is right for them. Only talkning with my good friends and one more who is our common friend. I am trying to do my job so good I can. Now we all three take drugs one our job. Perhaps not so good...

I was very respected on my job. January 2012 rally I had pretty much money in bitcoin and I was talking with many on job and I heard many compliments. I worked late hours and heard many compliments. Many friends came home to me after job to perhaps smoke some weed and hang out? It was hard with time. Much on job, my "health issues", many friends, and bitcoin to watch etc.

February 2012 it's weekend. I have taken my "first" free of day, monday after weekend. I am back on tuesday and I am perhaps "high". What is more, I have not sleeped that night. I came in to job at 9 am as I tried to do usual. I am sitting one hour by my work table and is silent and almost not moving anything. I am not feeling bad perhaps realxing? After that hour I am rising up and I'm saing a weird sentence so people around me can hear. Yy Polizia di Stato is coming to get me. I then think I am in a mental hospital and my parents is crying when I saw them when I first there arrived.

First doctor is saing I will be in menal hospital forever. But I get out after two days very happy. I was a very normal and calm boy in that hospital so I guess they could not hold me that long.

14 months later it seems I lost all my money to. But that began 12-8 months ago. I was just trying to grow my bitcoin. Yes bitcoin/$ is going up but I perhaps wantet 21000, 1/1000 when all is mined. Because bitcoin is growing in BTC/$ it seemed after I lost it all nothing could keep phase with bitcoin to give a net gain in bitcoins. I was taking extrem risks to earn some more bitcoin. I was thinking 15000 bitcoin is always 15000 bitcoin even with a dollar price at 1, 100, 1000 or what. I wanted that 1/1000 of the bitcoin economy. And I was trying to support bitcoin with new fiat to help all:). That mortgage who bougth me 15000 bitcoin is nothing with this price per bitcoin. I was just trying to be kind. LOL

Perhaps some will help me now when I soon don't can buy food anymore. Seems all think I got what I deserved. But I have won my health. And my calm life I am happy with. I have hard to work. No one will employ an old drug addict caught on job. I don't take any drugs anymore. Not after I lost my job ok 2-3 times after but it was long time ago now and I don't want it more and is not planning to use it.

christmas 2011 I gave 103 bitcoins to my younger brother and my older sister. And 27 bitcoin each to my parents. Well they all have more than me now. My mam and dad have asked me if I want 27 back but it was a gift and I can't take those. I was trying to do a good job even if I took drugs. I regret it now but I thougt back then people around me was feeling better to see me "happy" I thougt I could perform better. I would not do it now but I can't change past.

One good friend have 465,77 bitcoin perhaps:) He bought those of me with btc/$ at 2,5. I was very proud he also wanted to invest in bitcoin. Two more friends have 250 and 100 btc. Ones girlfriend bougt in januari 2012 rally. I feeled bad It was beacuse of me she bought for the high price of 6,8:( She have pehaps 500 bitcoin:)

I am not really writning this to ask for help. Pehaps share a story. If you want to help a poor old member in the proud bitcoin community you can only if you want send what you want to this adress.

1CRrsL2end3cLFScUEtUPgX7yjjprktLkp

Thank you for reading. Sometime I feel I have something important to share even if I am bad on most besides computers, bitcoin and some more.

I am not english so please forgive my writing. It is a bit hard for me with speeling and grammar but I have tried to write me understandable.

Once more, he ceases to participate in the forum, but this time more than a year. When he returns, on 23rd May 2014:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619677.msg6892715#msg6892715

I know why. Goat owe me 4105 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks. He still owes me 4105 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for.

Where is justice?

[augustocroppo]

I have more than fun time reading all your troll posts and arguments.
None of you understand anything about law and jurisdiction.
The one who needs our documents the one who needs them have them.
None of you are custumers of mine to need them.
And it will be more than fun to keep reading all the things which all are saying.
I also see that Gurrty is trying to lie me so we will see how this is going to end.

No one have to be your customer to you prove you are who you claim to be. The burden of proof is on you, but I guess not even that you can understand...

In accordance with your logic, someone should send you money first and then receive the necessary information to verify if you are legit. That is not how it works in the real world and you are certainly not a legit lawyer (or if you are, your ethics are just despicable).

[smoothie]

Has anyone even verified Gurrty's post history?

On 3rd July 2011:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg320353#msg320353

Hi I am a pro when it comes to my knowledge about bitcoin and economic theory. But I am a "newbie" so I am only allowed to post in this section. Screw this, I would like to post some serious comments now!

Then he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 13th May 2012:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg898776#msg898776

Did I say my name is Gurrty?

Again, he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 10th April 2013:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172106.msg1790644#msg1790644

My uncle gave me an insurance job by summer 2010. Soon I am 22 years old:)

I worked autumn 2010 spring 2011 summer 2011. I read in a coumputer forum spring 2011 about bitcoin. I can earn money with my powerfull computers cool:)

Summer rally I watched was sporring and fun. I didn't have so many but it was ok. I wanted a respectfull stash and was working for it. My job buddy was talking about a mortgage. Hmm It just happend my house was sold to them who lived there. So I could buy my apartment 50% below market value. With good job I could easy get a mortgage for my apartment.

Summer 2011 was fun and one like you feel. My life have never been something special so everything is not so normal it seemed.

Autumn 2011. My best friend from later school years is beginning to work in same group on my job. Very special just like in school:) SO now we can go on important meetings tougher.

My mortgage loan is sign and my fiat money just happen to hit 3$ per bitcoin median price for all 15000 bitcoin. BITCOIN IS DEAD!!! CRASH!!! BURRN!! MANIPULATOR! in forum. Myself of cours knows bitcoin will go somewhere...

And I have very fun. Traveling to London Autumn 2011. Smokes silkroad weed and other secret drugs:) Winter 2011-2012 I become sick but I am not "sick" because I have always been I just know how to find and fix it after something special happend. I am working with health insurance so with my knowledge every kind of doctor, health fixer is a liar and is hurting people. I know how every people needs to be cured but know one will understand me. It seems no one can identify its sickness to understand want really is wrong. But I understand that all need to feel yourself what is right for them. Only talkning with my good friends and one more who is our common friend. I am trying to do my job so good I can. Now we all three take drugs one our job. Perhaps not so good...

I was very respected on my job. January 2012 rally I had pretty much money in bitcoin and I was talking with many on job and I heard many compliments. I worked late hours and heard many compliments. Many friends came home to me after job to perhaps smoke some weed and hang out? It was hard with time. Much on job, my "health issues", many friends, and bitcoin to watch etc.

February 2012 it's weekend. I have taken my "first" free of day, monday after weekend. I am back on tuesday and I am perhaps "high". What is more, I have not sleeped that night. I came in to job at 9 am as I tried to do usual. I am sitting one hour by my work table and is silent and almost not moving anything. I am not feeling bad perhaps realxing? After that hour I am rising up and I'm saing a weird sentence so people around me can hear. Yy Polizia di Stato is coming to get me. I then think I am in a mental hospital and my parents is crying when I saw them when I first there arrived.

First doctor is saing I will be in menal hospital forever. But I get out after two days very happy. I was a very normal and calm boy in that hospital so I guess they could not hold me that long.

14 months later it seems I lost all my money to. But that began 12-8 months ago. I was just trying to grow my bitcoin. Yes bitcoin/$ is going up but I perhaps wantet 21000, 1/1000 when all is mined. Because bitcoin is growing in BTC/$ it seemed after I lost it all nothing could keep phase with bitcoin to give a net gain in bitcoins. I was taking extrem risks to earn some more bitcoin. I was thinking 15000 bitcoin is always 15000 bitcoin even with a dollar price at 1, 100, 1000 or what. I wanted that 1/1000 of the bitcoin economy. And I was trying to support bitcoin with new fiat to help all:). That mortgage who bougth me 15000 bitcoin is nothing with this price per bitcoin. I was just trying to be kind. LOL

Perhaps some will help me now when I soon don't can buy food anymore. Seems all think I got what I deserved. But I have won my health. And my calm life I am happy with. I have hard to work. No one will employ an old drug addict caught on job. I don't take any drugs anymore. Not after I lost my job ok 2-3 times after but it was long time ago now and I don't want it more and is not planning to use it.

christmas 2011 I gave 103 bitcoins to my younger brother and my older sister. And 27 bitcoin each to my parents. Well they all have more than me now. My mam and dad have asked me if I want 27 back but it was a gift and I can't take those. I was trying to do a good job even if I took drugs. I regret it now but I thougt back then people around me was feeling better to see me "happy" I thougt I could perform better. I would not do it now but I can't change past.

One good friend have 465,77 bitcoin perhaps:) He bought those of me with btc/$ at 2,5. I was very proud he also wanted to invest in bitcoin. Two more friends have 250 and 100 btc. Ones girlfriend bougt in januari 2012 rally. I feeled bad It was beacuse of me she bought for the high price of 6,8:( She have pehaps 500 bitcoin:)

I am not really writning this to ask for help. Pehaps share a story. If you want to help a poor old member in the proud bitcoin community you can only if you want send what you want to this adress.

1CRrsL2end3cLFScUEtUPgX7yjjprktLkp

Thank you for reading. Sometime I feel I have something important to share even if I am bad on most besides computers, bitcoin and some more.

I am not english so please forgive my writing. It is a bit hard for me with speeling and grammar but I have tried to write me understandable.

Once more, he ceases to participate in the forum, but this time more than a year. When he returns, on 23rd May 2014:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619677.msg6892715#msg6892715

I know why. Goat owe me 4105 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks. He still owes me 4105 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for.

Where is justice?

Since when does post history matter in this case?

The PMs in the OP were verified by Theymos. The debt was taken on by Goat by his own words he wrote then confirming he received the bonds from Gurrty.


OFF-TOPIC: the OP has outted himself as smoking stuff he got from Silk Road? (Did I read that right?) Wow that's too much information, but oh well.

[V.Kodoff]

I have more than fun time reading all your troll posts and arguments.
None of you understand anything about law and jurisdiction.
The one who needs our documents the one who needs them have them.
None of you are custumers of mine to need them.
And it will be more than fun to keep reading all the things which all are saying.
I also see that Gurrty is trying to lie me so we will see how this is going to end.

No one have to be your customer to you prove you are who you claim to be. The burden of proof is on you, but I guess not even that you can understand...

In accordance with your logic, someone should send you money first and then receive the necessary information to verify if you are legit. That is not how it works in the real world and you are certainly not a legit lawyer (or if you are, your ethics are just despicable).

Well you keep spamming with things you don't know,you won't know and you only can attack over internet troll spams.
I never requested money first and then giving the necessary information to verify i am legit.
I already verified myself to who i need to without asking money first.
Also if you check that thread,you will realize that i offered my service for FREE,but you are to busy to troll over internet to try make your self look intelligent on forum which everyone use to scam the other member...

[El Cabron]

I like to inform you that as laywer now i represent mr.Lessmar and from now on you can speak with me about this.
Everything you say out of court can and will be used against you.
We are starting case against you on Monday,it will be civil and the claim will be refund of 3740.35 btc.
I just want you to let you know that you will be sued in European country which English is not primary language and you won't be able to use it to denfend youself.
You may need translator to understand the claim and also hire a local lawyer from here who will know the local laws.
As part of European Union,our laws are accepted everywhere on Europe.
There will be research for your job,your family,your monthly income,your taxes,your investmens and everything which will help us to bring the true comes transparent.
The costs which that case will bring you won't be small and you can find that by urself when you besiege that with your lawyers.
I like to inform you this is really serious and documents about the case will be posted Public here on the forum and also will be send to you to take it seriously.
We already talk with mr.Lessmar and if you like to discuss it,we have an offer for you which is good for both of you and this can end quick and easy.
I am going to give you 7 days to answer me (you can talk with your lawyers).
In this time you may receive a invite from the court here.
If you like to discuss our offer about agreement,let me know before we go future.

Yes i am lawyer from Europe.
He still didn't contact me...
My price is 150$ per hour.
There is also few court and document taxes.
Like i noted on the thread,our court do not use English language but we offer translator for our custumers which is free from us.
Let me know what kind of case you like to start.
Is it civil or crime?
What the claim will be? Money?Bitcoins?
How much valued?
It is not necessarily to visit the court or the country,we can present you with a simple contract signed virtual from you.

Theymos please confirm these are real PMs.

Edit: Gurrty, this looks like a scam. Assuming this is not your sock account the best advice I can give you is make sure they are a legit company before you give them any money. They offered to work for me but did not provide proof they were anything but a troll trying to get a few BTC. Best of luck.

[V.Kodoff]

That's right Goat,we was smart enough to "test" you how far you will go with that after you tried to contact me about hiring me,so mr.Lessmar know exactly all my steps on this.
I notify him about ur message,and how you like to hire me right after you see i offered my services for FREE.
I like to inform you and everyone once again that i offered my services for FREE and they will remain that untill we complete this.
Any attempts to confuse my custumer with false information will meet dead end.
Before i take any acts against you,i consider that with him and ask him for permission.
All the required documents for verification such as sertificate and firm documents was provided to my custumer and our agreement with him still making him in good position by paying anything AFTER i complete the case.
Here comes your private message right after you see that i am going to represent him for FREE
https://i.imgur.com/Ub6TDHR.png

I am not sure how and from where you did get that wrong feeling i am going to represent you,the messages i have send you right after you contacted me was about the prices for my services,and what kind of case you like to start against my custumer.
That help me a lot to prove to my custumer you have no good intentions to complete this and even the inverse by trying to hire me before him.
Here is the message i send you -> https://i.imgur.com/8Zk0bBc.png
I will keep this transparent for everyone and like i said to my custumer,we will require a thread with the public case which won't be able to be spammed.
We will require assistance from Admin to open a closed thread which can be only moderated from Admin,and we will kindly ask him just to make the case public and update it with documents from court and keep it official.
The false attempts to confuse my custumers will meet dead end because before i do anything i always consider it with my custumer.
I will be more than happy to represent him and already noted couple times that i won't require anymoney BEFORE i complete the case.

Goat,i really like to complete this in favour for both of you,because it seems you don't understand the serious situation which both of you are.
The claim will be "transmitted" to the court in Monday and i will update with official documents from the court.
I hope you will take this seriously after you receive invitation from our court.
In that time,i suggest you to talk with your lawyers before you post or do anything you think is good move for you.
I am going to stop with the posts about this thread because i also requested from my custumer to close the thread and just continue with the updated thrad which we will require.
Any non-official attempts for contact with me will be also redirected to my custumer so he and all of you will be able to watch everything public.
For those who don't understand the word "jurisdiction" i suggest all of you to either use some source as google or law firm to help you understand it.
A person from another country won't have jurisdiction only if he is trying to practice his skills on another country on which the license won't be recognized as genuine.
As part of European Union,we and every single European country have the full jurisdiction to sue everyone in our courst and also in the Supreme Court of Europe in Belgium.
Before you start to "defend" yourself without lawyer consultation,please, understand the law and that everything can and will be used in the court against you based on any posts/acts from your side.
I know i repeat myself but once again,i would like to complete this in favour for both of you,because that may end really fast and easy for favour in my custumer,based on the facts and the things i have as evidence so far.
Before you writte to me anything,i suggest you to contact your lawyers and check my words.
Don't worry about my custumer,he won't pay me anything upfront
I required payment after the case is closed either by the court or agreement between of us.
I was kind enough to notify you about our acts and that we have good offer for agreement between you and my custumer before this go future.
If you like to stop the dicuss with me,you can redirect your lawyers to contact me.
In the documents from the court,there will be full information about our claim,our law firm,where the case start and which court it will be used.
All the information will be transparent so your lawyers will be able to contact me anytime to discuss this.
Prepare yourself a translator because your lawyers may have hard time reading the documents and understand our laws.
As kind person,i will redirect you and your lawyers to our official laws agaisnt cyber crimes.
All of you will have enough time to read them,translate them at your language and understand them.
I am more than sure right after you contact your lawyers,read our laws and understand the serious situation,we will end this in favour for both of you,because the facts which any lawyer will meet in our country and our laws,will help you to understand that it will be really hard for you and your lawyers to start defend yourself.
You are not obliged to visit the court,there will be 2 invites,after the secund,if you are not willing to visit it,the case can continue without you but a mulct will be put on you just because you haven't respected the court invite.
This is from me for now,from now on i will keep our conversation strict,based on our laws and only official.
Your attempts to confuse my custumer may only make your case worst My custumer was and will be notified for all my acts and messages which we will swap.
If you have any good intentions to complete this by agreement,you can contact me via Private Message to discuss this with or without your lawyers,but once again,i suggest you to contact them first.

** Theymos don't need to verify the pms are real,i already verified them even with screenshots for them.
We have nothing to hide,even the reverse
I know what i write,how to write in in our favour.
And this just prove the words i told to my custumer that you have no good intentions.
For our good or bad,everything will be public and transperent to everyone.

[El Cabron]

That's right Goat,we was smart enough to "test" you how far you will go with that after you tried to contact me about hiring me,so mr.Lessmar know exactly all my steps on this.
I notify him about ur message,and how you like to hire me right after you see i offered my services for FREE.
I like to inform you and everyone once again that i offered my services for FREE and they will remain that untill we complete this.
Any attempts to confuse my custumer with false information will meet dead end.
Before i take any acts against you,i consider that with him and ask him for permission.
All the required documents for verification such as sertificate and firm documents was provided to my custumer and our agreement with him still making him in good position by paying anything AFTER i complete the case.
Here comes your private message right after you see that i am going to represent him for FREE
https://i.imgur.com/Ub6TDHR.png

I am not sure how and from where you did get that wrong feeling i am going to represent you,the messages i have send you right after you contacted me was about the prices for my services,and what kind of case you like to start against my custumer.
That help me a lot to prove to my custumer you have no good intentions to complete this and even the inverse by trying to hire me before him.
Here is the message i send you -> https://i.imgur.com/8Zk0bBc.png
I will keep this transparent for everyone and like i said to my custumer,we will require a thread with the public case which won't be able to be spammed.
We will require assistance from Admin to open a closed thread which can be only moderated from Admin,and we will kindly ask him just to make the case public and update it with documents from court and keep it official.
The false attempts to confuse my custumers will meet dead end because before i do anything i always consider it with my custumer.
I will be more than happy to represent him and already noted couple times that i won't require anymoney BEFORE i complete the case.

Goat,i really like to complete this in favour for both of you,because it seems you don't understand the serious situation which both of you are.
The claim will be "transmitted" to the court in Monday and i will update with official documents from the court.
I hope you will take this seriously after you receive invitation from our court.
In that time,i suggest you to talk with your lawyers before you post or do anything you think is good move for you.
I am going to stop with the posts about this thread because i also requested from my custumer to close the thread and just continue with the updated thrad which we will require.
Any non-official attempts for contact with me will be also redirected to my custumer so he and all of you will be able to watch everything public.
For those who don't understand the word "jurisdiction" i suggest all of you to either use some source as google or law firm to help you understand it.
A person from another country won't have jurisdiction only if he is trying to practice his skills on another country on which the license won't be recognized as genuine.
As part of European Union,we and every single European country have the full jurisdiction to sue everyone in our courst and also in the Supreme Court of Europe in Belgium.
Before you start to "defend" yourself without lawyer consultation,please, understand the law and that everything can and will be used in the court against you based on any posts/acts from your side.
I know i repeat myself but once again,i would like to complete this in favour for both of you,because that may end really fast and easy for favour in my custumer,based on the facts and the things i have as evidence so far.
Before you writte to me anything,i suggest you to contact your lawyers and check my words.
Don't worry about my custumer,he won't pay me anything upfront
I required payment after the case is closed either by the court or agreement between of us.
I was kind enough to notify you about our acts and that we have good offer for agreement between you and my custumer before this go future.
If you like to stop the dicuss with me,you can redirect your lawyers to contact me.
In the documents from the court,there will be full information about our claim,our law firm,where the case start and which court it will be used.
All the information will be transparent so your lawyers will be able to contact me anytime to discuss this.
Prepare yourself a translator because your lawyers may have hard time reading the documents and understand our laws.
As kind person,i will redirect you and your lawyers to our official laws agaisnt cyber crimes.
All of you will have enough time to read them,translate them at your language and understand them.
I am more than sure right after you contact your lawyers,read our laws and understand the serious situation,we will end this in favour for both of you,because the facts which any lawyer will meet in our country and our laws,will help you to understand that it will be really hard for you and your lawyers to start defend yourself.
You are not obliged to visit the court,there will be 2 invites,after the secund,if you are not willing to visit it,the case can continue without you but a mulct will be put on you just because you haven't respected the court invite.
This is from me for now,from now on i will keep our conversation strict,based on our laws and only official.
Your attempts to confuse my custumer may only make your case worst My custumer was and will be notified for all my acts and messages which we will swap.
If you have any good intentions to complete this by agreement,you can contact me via Private Message to discuss this with or without your lawyers,but once again,i suggest you to contact them first.

If my lawyers can contact you at any time, why do you refuse to tell us who you are? Clearly you are just OP, or some troll having a laugh. If you think I'm going to pay you off you are just insane.

No real lawyer would say "pay me or I post personal info on a public forum". No one is going to take you seriously.

[El Cabron]

The documents will be posted public so you can see them.
They won't be redirected directly to you,but to everyone.
Any documents than invites will be provided to your lawyers by request.
The court will send invites for everyone because that's the law will and that how it works.
As good person once again, i suggest you to contact your lawyers before you write anything to me because it can and it will be used against you about that case.
I also hope that your lawyers after translating everything will realize that you are only able to defend yourself based on case,and everything off-topic won't and can't be counted as proof or against my custumer,but u will understand this when you meet our laws.
If you or your lawyers want to start case against my custumers based on another proofs,you need to start another one.
Please have a full read of the laws about civil claims for virtual crimes and how they are going.
I want this to be over in favour to both of you,because i am still convinced that may end good.
If your lawyers are ready to negotiate and like to hear and consider our offer whcih will be good for both sides,note me so i can talk with my custumer before we go future.
The attempts to false confuse my custumers will be in dead end.
All the documents for us,our firm such as certificates and everything needed to prove we are legit and not only have been provided to our custumer and he know everything.
We agreed to not request any money from him before this end,that may help you to understand that we are starting this as FREE service (Just for the start but not when it ends) and your claims about us trying to get something from our custumer before we do anything is absurd and we will be more than happy to prove that because like i said all the documents will be public.
Double think and talk with your lawyers before you act,because the non knowledge can cost you more than you think.

What is your "offer" ?

[El Cabron]

How can you represent us both? You said you would represnt me and i said okay. Now you will take the information i gave you and use it aginst me?

I think i should sue you for fraud! This is illegal in thailand i dont know about europe.

About that,you are totaly wrong again.
We never had contact,we never agreed on anything,i was just kind enough to explain you the price of my services,ask you what kind of case you like to start and things which every single lawyer must know.
I said i could represent you before me and my custumer agreed to represent him,so everything before that is just an conversation between a person and a lawyer such as advice.
If you think you can sue me about this,you can contact your your lawyers and ask them and you will realize how right i am for the said above.
Once again,we have good offer for both of you and this may end simple and easy for both of you.
When you decide to talk with us and check our offer,you will realize it won't help only my custumer but urself also,because my custumer still not keeping bad feelings about that and you and he is willing to end this simple,easy and good for both of you.

I am waiting for your "offer" Mr. Secret Lawyer. 

[El Cabron]

Yeah man, it does seem pretty clear that yall did ink a deal for a redemption of 427 bonds before Pirate's ship had sailed. Mouse, the BTC value has changed drastically since then though, and I think it would be fair if you interpreted it as the cash value of 427 BTC was back then (around $5700 and change). That makes it easy since that's right around 10 BTC in today's money.

I received negative trust from Tomatocage for nothing. I dont know him, I was not in PM contact with him. I did not do bussiness with him. He gave me negative trust because I started thread where I revealed owner of bankrupted exchange www.cryptorush.in and his team.

Tomatocage even didnt try contact me and discuss situation before giving me negative trust.

There is high probability that Tomatocage is part of www.cryptorush.in team or he was paid by them (as they stole 400 - 800 000 Usd they have plenty of money) to damage my reputation. All of you please be careful

I was told he would give me good feedback if I paid off MousePotato. I think he takes the system a bit too seriously myself.

[El Cabron]

Its not my "offer" its my custumer offer based on the facts i told him.
Once again i suggest you to get a lawyer and translator and have a seriously look at the European laws about cyber crimes before you do anything.
I must talk with my custumer before i offer you anything.
He already agreed with me about the offer but still i need his confirmation,so after you checked what i am saying and get this seriously at it is,we can continue our conversation.
You will be suprised how my custumer still want to keep that friendly and good not only for him but for you also.
We are really careful what we write and post and i suggest you doing the same just because from an easy thing it may go really hard.
Don't keep hard feelings and just try to fix it without problems with the law in court.
We will give you that chance,and if you and your lawyers are smart and understand how hard it will be for you and them to defend you on our country by our laws,you will understand that our offer is the best chance for you.

So there is no longer an offer. Shock...

Edit: No offer just more threats. I'm not scared about your unknown laws in your unknown country.

[El Cabron]

so there is no offer. you are just joking about the offer? lol

I don't joke with the laws and things like that,the offer will be present to you after my custumer confirm once again he is okay with it (no matter he already agreed,it must be confirmed once again before i present it).
Please, read my last messages and take your time to visit and talk with your lawyers.
For your own good i will stop the conversation for now and give you time to understand the situation and consult with proffesional who know a little bit about the laws here.

lol. I think this "lawyer" is OP.

[V.Kodoff]

Thanks for keep spamming and keeping it un official.
Our private messages will and can be used against you and also will be posted as screenshots to the forum public.
I told you couple times that we have offer for you but it must be consider with my custumer we go any future.
Your non grounded claims can only harm you in future.
I told you 5 times so far to contact your lawyers before you continue to write.
Playing smart in a forum won't bring you any good in real case but only problems.
If you think you are "smart" enough to handle things wich you don't understand wuch as our laws,our language and the claim itself,then you can continue doing/posting whatever you what,which will and can be used against you.
About ur requests,i noted 3 times so far that the case will be public and everyone will be able to watch but not spam about it.
Keep trying to confuse everyone,but when you realize how serious that is,i hope it won't be later after the messages you are sending.
Contact your lawyers once again.
We don't require money upfront from our custumer once again.
Case will be public to everyone once again.
I refuse to give you any information about us and anything about it just because you have no rights to ask for it.
Only a lawyer who verified his self can request it from the court.
I am not forced to share any information with you,but i was kind enough to explain you and tell you to contact your lawyers before you do anything.
I am going to stop posting on this forum because it seems the spamming "trolls" protect their forum guru for scamming large amounts over internet.
Well we are 2014 year and cases like this for cyber crimes are more than serious and u will find out that really soon.

*Edit: I never used to threat anyone i am just here to explain you the situation.
Keep wasting your time with trying to look intelligent in forum on which no one care about you and what's going to happend with you.
The only persons who may care for payment is your lawyers,and i suggest you to stop playing "smart" because it will cost you more than you think.
I never thread,i only advice.
But i will stop from now on.
Defending yourself without law knowledge is not a smart move,but i won't advice you anymore because you calling my advices threats.
You can keep trying to make you look you can handle this by urself,write whatever you want,i wont post on this thread anymore.

[El Cabron]

Thanks for keep spamming and keeping it un official.
Our private messages will and can be used against you and also will be posted as screenshots to the forum public.
I told you couple times that we have offer for you but it must be consider with my custumer we go any future.
Your non grounded claims can only harm you in future.
I told you 5 times so far to contact your lawyers before you continue to write.
Playing smart in a forum won't bring you any good in real case but only problems.
If you think you are "smart" enough to handle things wich you don't understand wuch as our laws,our language and the claim itself,then you can continue doing/posting whatever you what,which will and can be used against you.
About ur requests,i noted 3 times so far that the case will be public and everyone will be able to watch but not spam about it.
Keep trying to confuse everyone,but when you realize how serious that is,i hope it won't be later after the messages you are sending.
Contact your lawyers once again.
We don't require money upfront from our custumer once again.
Case will be public to everyone once again.
I refuse to give you any information about us and anything about it just because you have no rights to ask for it.
Only a lawyer who verified his self can request it from the court.
I am not forced to share any information with you,but i was kind enough to explain you and tell you to contact your lawyers before you do anything.
I am going to stop posting on this forum because it seems the spamming "trolls" protect their forum guru for scamming large amounts over internet.
Well we are 2014 year and cases like this for cyber crimes are more than serious and u will find out that really soon.

*Edit: I never used to threat anyone i am just here to explain you the situation.
Keep wasting your time with trying to look intelligent in forum on which no one care about you and what's going to happend with you.
The only persons who may care for payment is your lawyers,and i suggest you to stop playing "smart" because it will cost you more than you think.
I never thread,i only advice.
But i will stop from now on.
Defending yourself without law knowledge is not a smart move,but i won't advice you anymore because you calling my advices threats.
You can keep trying to make you look you can handle this by urself,write whatever you want,i wont post on this thread anymore.

Oh wow. This is classic.

If you are able to come up with an "offer" before you post your case documents on Monday let me know!

By the way, thanks for being so helpful and letting me know I really should talk to my lawyers cuz some random guy on the internet said I should! You are so kind!

[El Cabron]

you can not agree to represent me, and then take it back. You are clearly not a lawyer.

Yes i am lawyer and obviously i know the laws here much better than you.
We never sign agreement/contract and our conversation was just information and questions about future case and price of my services.
Please,double check what you write,what i write and how it was writen.
I will suggest you for last time to contact your lawyers before you message me things you don't understand and can goes against you.
You don't need to be rude,that will just make me stop consider that with you and just continue it strictly official by requesting contact only with your lawyers.
They will help you to math your chances and costs on different country,different language,different laws.
I am more than sure they will help you to understand we are only looking to complete this in favour for both sides.

Lol. Okay, now I am sure it is you Gurrty, nice try! hahaha

Sure,you can believe in everything you want its up to you.You will find that i am not my custumer really soon and even my poor english skills and way of type make that obvious.
But you can believe in everything you want
I hope you will take it serious after the invite from court comes to you.
Admin from that site will be forced to give full information about you when the court request it.
I was trying to fix the things between you and him by the easy way,but it seems you live in your own virtual world with your own virtual rules and laws which have nothing to do with th real world.
I see you are total ignorant because you never ever spend 2 or 200 mins of reading about the European laws and how they are going against you with every single message you posting.
Thank''s for making my job easy than it is.