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June 02, 2014, 10:35:37 PM
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i'm kind of tempted to bet the GOP candidate losing to hilary, mainly because the republicans don't have enough broad appeal. though i won't vote for hilary, i wouldn't mind putting my money on her.

I wouldn't consider Rand a frontrunner. Paul will probably struggle for donors in CA, TX, OH. Current trends shouldn't be taken as a reasonable projection by any means.

There's a lot going on behind the scenes in Paul's plans to run for the big house. He's got monthly meetings w/ big time donors of all groups, even former Romney and Bush guys.
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The challenge for Paul at this stage, however, is not to persuade the American public of his policy correctness or his electability. Paul’s immediate target audience is an invisible primary electorate made up of influential party donors and power brokers, many of whom are relatively unfamiliar with Paul or wary of his political brand.

The process has involved relentlessly courting allies outside the traditional Libertarian core of support built up by his father, Ron Paul -- such as Rupert Murdoch, who accompanied Paul to this year's running of the Kentucky Derby.

But to land such meetings, Paul's political reputation alone does not always suffice, often requiring an assist from allies more connected to the mainstream Republican Party, such as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

“You think Rupert Murdoch would have come to the Kentucky Derby with Rand if McConnell hadn't told him what a good guy he is?” said one Republican source with knowledge of the meeting. Indeed, since Paul has actively supported McConnell in his challenging re-election bid, McConnell has in return acted as an emissary of sorts for Paul with mainstream donors and party influencers. Then, once Paul gets in the room, his allies say, he’s gifted at closing the deal.


“When McConnell puts his arm on Rand's shoulder, he goes from a curiosity to a serious player,” the party source explained. “McConnell helps open the door, and Rand charges in.”

Also opening doors for Paul is Nate Morris, 33, a Kentucky-based businessman and former bundler for George W. Bush's 2004 presidential campaign, who boasts deep connections in the business community and a close friendship with Bush's former finance guru, Jack Oliver. Morris each month has been helping to set up several introductions between Paul and deep-pocketed GOP influencers.

Just as the Republican establishment has been slow to warm to Paul, support from the religious right — an important constituency in a Republican presidential primary — has also been somewhat elusive.

Paul began working to shore up support among religious conservatives with a trip to Israel early last year. The trip was the brainchild of David Lane, an evangelical activist with deep ties in Iowa, who has been at the center of Paul's efforts to appeal to the religious right. Also along for the ride were A.J. Spiker, the former Iowa Republican Party chairman who in March stepped down to steer Paul's PAC; now-former South Carolina GOP Chairman Chad Connelly; Mallory Factor, who holds influential meetings among conservative power brokers in New York and South Carolina; and Morris, among others.


But Paul has attracted the most notice for reaching far beyond the traditional Republican base of support — with a speech at Howard University in Washington, a historically black college, and by reaching out to black pastors.

“I haven't seen this kind of inclusive thinking since George W. Bush,” said one Republican familiar with Paul’s strategy. “He’s going places where Republicans typically won't go.”
cont...http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2548770

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Rand Paul to headline “conservatarian” tech gathering in San Francisco

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A likely 2016 GOP presidential candidate is coming to San Francisco this summer and — stop the presses — not to raise money. Well, no fundraiser are scheduled yet for Sen. Rand Paul, R-KY when he rolls into town in July.

The main reason he’s coming to town is to headline “Lincoln Labs Conference 2014: Reboot,” the conservatarian tech conference July 18-20 in San Francisco. The goal of the confab is to link the tech savvy of Silicon Valley with the political needs of conservative and libertarian – or “conservatarian” – America.

Also scheduled to be there is Nick Gillespie, editor in chief of Reason.org and Reason TV, the libertarian media hubs, and Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, R-WA, who will be “trying to see how Congress can adapt some of these (tech) tools to what they’re doing,” co-organizers Aaron Ginn told me. Also on the lineup is Joe Green, former Harvard roommate of Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and co-founder of the issue advocacy group fwd.us. He’ll be there to talk about tech and immigration reform
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June 02, 2014, 10:38:57 PM
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An open court trial would be very interesting.

I don't think that the CIA will permit an open trial for Snowden. There is too much of classified information at stake. The CIA will raise objection and everything will be conducted secretly.
And that is something they never publish in the media's hubub about Snowden and why he's doing what he's doing. And as I posted recently, the whistleblower protections have been eviscerated by the O regime and that's why you can't be Mr. Transparent and stay home and plead your case. It pisses me off that the media has this space to mislead people in particular cases like this. It's hard to blame many of the relatively innocent detractors because they aren't bombarded w/ that viewpoint like we all are.
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The modern 24 hour news cycle laundromats idea of critical analysis could be described as:
Dumbshit sockpuppet A says Snowden should return to face trial, so lets go to our panel of even dumber shits and lets hear them repeat what dumbshit sockpuppet A has to say, and we will fill an hour with nothing, coming to no conclusions other than slamming any experts on the subject who may try to interject some truth into the public discourse, while leaving the masses no more informed than if they stood in a corner and stared at the wall all day.

National media are generally lazy reporters who love having someone else write up articles for them which they merely need to spell check and repost. If not having the entire article prewritten, at least the talking points are pre ordained for them to follow, lazy, shallow faecal matter posing as news.

Add to that, sensationalism, and you have a 24 hour machine churning out horseshit by the trailer-load which is of little to no substance at all. A gift horse really for any government to manipulate, and they all have...

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June 03, 2014, 12:30:36 AM
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The modern 24 hour news cycle laundromats idea of critical analysis could be described as:
Dumbshit sockpuppet A says Snowden should return to face trial, so lets go to our panel of even dumber shits and lets hear them repeat what dumbshit sockpuppet A has to say, and we will fill an hour with nothing, coming to no conclusions other than slamming any experts on the subject who may try to interject some truth into the public discourse, while leaving the masses no more informed than if they stood in a corner and stared at the wall all day.

National media are generally lazy reporters who love having someone else write up articles for them which they merely need to spell check and repost. If not having the entire article prewritten, at least the talking points are pre ordained for them to follow, lazy, shallow faecal matter posing as news.

Add to that, sensationalism, and you have a 24 hour machine churning out horseshit by the trailer-load which is of little to no substance at all. A gift horse really for any government to manipulate, and they all have...
Well, sort of....not....

because your very comment on the ALTERNATIVE media system indicates the futility of these machinations...
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June 03, 2014, 04:16:31 AM
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An open court trial would be very interesting.

I don't think that the CIA will permit an open trial for Snowden. There is too much of classified information at stake. The CIA will raise objection and everything will be conducted secretly.

there is no public or jury trial for snowden's charges. 

from what i recall, snowden claims he does not have any of the data he took.  he gave all to several of the major media outlets and asked them to consult with government officials in regards to releasing information to the public.
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June 03, 2014, 04:35:24 AM
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I wouldn't consider Rand a frontrunner. CPAC and similar early straw polls tend to lean towards younger, libertarian (at least perceived libertarians) but establishment candidates are tough to beat in the larger states. Paul will probably struggle for donors in CA, TX, OH. Current trends shouldn't be taken as a reasonable projection by any means.

No one is over-estimating his chances. But you will have to agree that his chances of getting the GOP nomination for the POTUS 2016 is much greater than that Rand Paul ever had in POTUS 2008 and POTUS 2012.

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June 03, 2014, 05:36:09 AM
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I wouldn't consider Rand a frontrunner. CPAC and similar early straw polls tend to lean towards younger, libertarian (at least perceived libertarians) but establishment candidates are tough to beat in the larger states. Paul will probably struggle for donors in CA, TX, OH. Current trends shouldn't be taken as a reasonable projection by any means.

No one is over-estimating his chances. But you will have to agree that his chances of getting the GOP nomination for the POTUS 2016 is much greater than that Rand Paul ever had in POTUS 2008 and POTUS 2012.

This could be the perfect moment for him. Americans always over correct when one party has been in power. Rand is about the furthest you can get ideologically from Obama and that is what voters will be looking for. 

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June 03, 2014, 05:51:57 AM
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This could be the perfect moment for him. Americans always over correct when one party has been in power. Rand is about the furthest you can get ideologically from Obama and that is what voters will be looking for. 

Exactly. If we could some how tame the neocon Repubs and the religious nut Repubs, Rand will be able to secure the nomination. And he will be having a realistic chance against Hillary as well, as the youth will be more supportive.

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June 03, 2014, 05:54:08 AM
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An open court trial would be very interesting.

I don't think that the CIA will permit an open trial for Snowden. There is too much of classified information at stake. The CIA will raise objection and everything will be conducted secretly.

I agree the CIA would force the judge to not include evidence in the trial.
Sometimes deciding what is not fit for the trial or applicable to it can make or break the result.
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i'm kind of tempted to bet the GOP candidate losing to hilary, mainly because the republicans don't have enough broad appeal. though i won't vote for hilary, i wouldn't mind putting my money on her.

I wouldn't consider Rand a frontrunner. CPAC and similar early straw polls tend to lean towards younger, libertarian (at least perceived libertarians) but establishment candidates are tough to beat in the larger states. Paul will probably struggle for donors in CA, TX, OH. Current trends shouldn't be taken as a reasonable projection by any means.

FYI, those pollsters seem to manipulate the numbers.. i wonder if it's politics, or if it's people making money off of these  futures estimates.
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They should extend his visa indefinitely. Doing that at this time will send a strong message to Obama and the CIA, who are doing everything they can to destabilize the world nations.

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Unfortunately for him, his passport has been revoked by the US authorities. So he can't simply get a visa, he need temporary asylum. It's not a visa, it's some kind of temporary citizenship... He required to make photos, fill form etc and then wait when his new ID card will be issued. So, unlike visa stamp in the passport, this could take some time.

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Unfortunately for him, his passport has been revoked by the US authorities. So he can't simply get a visa, he need temporary asylum. It's not a visa, it's some kind of temporary citizenship... He required to make photos, fill form etc and then wait when his new ID card will be issued. So, unlike visa stamp in the passport, this could take some time.

Hmm.. for now he is stuck in Russia. He might be able to travel to China or Belarus, as Russia shares a border with these nations. But it is impossible right now, for him to travel to Venezuela or Cuba. I hope he gets his renewal of the temporary asylum without any delay.

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