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May 29, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
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http://rt.com/usa/162144-snowden-russia-spy-nsa/

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"The reality is I never intended to end up in Russia," he said. "I had a flight booked to Cuba onwards to Latin America and I was stopped because the United States government decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Moscow airport.”

"So when people ask why are you in Russia, I say, 'Please ask the State Department,'” he added.

Nice catch, while it was obvious, it's another proof and the fact that it isn't denied makes it legit
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May 29, 2014, 06:56:54 PM
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at least in Russia he's being treated as a human being.

Maybe, but sadly this courtesy doesn't extended to some of their own citizens, specifically homosexuals and feminist activists (not to mention their involvement in the Ukraine).

Has Snowden actually got a Russian passport now, or has/will he be granted citizenship? I wonder if he'll ever make his way to Cuba, but I'd probably rather stay in Russia where it's safer for him. Cuba looks a nice place to live though. Whatever happens I hope he can find some comfort/happiness in life. Pretty bullshit he'll most probably have to spend the rest of his life as a fugitive now.

would russia even let him leave? he has valuable information on not only the U.S., but other countries as well. it could be a strategic advantage for them to know this information.
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May 29, 2014, 07:02:48 PM
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He is allowed to leave the country whenever he want. But once he does this, his temporary ID will become a useless scrap of paper and he won't be able to return without getting the new ID.  Roll Eyes Temporary ID card has no limitations except this one, i.e. there is no difference between a passport and a temporary ID if you haven't left the country.  Maybe later he will apply the full citizenship, who knows... Seems like a good idea because his US passport has been revoked.

Maybe, but sadly this courtesy doesn't extended to some of their own citizens, specifically homosexuals and feminist activists (not to mention their involvement in the Ukraine).
Well, it seems that you have dedicated too much time for Euronews or CNN. Smiley

Oh, c'mon, we see this gay-people-cracking-down stuff again and again... Grin Nobody cracking down on them, it's a total BS. Nobody cares about gays here, some pop stars and politicials are open homosexuals, they're still alive and active.

This "gay people prosecutions" bullshit is not even funny anymore. It's so far from the reality that I'm unable to imagine how anybody can believe that. This would be like a belief into spaghetti monster or martian invasion, the same level of stupidity.

Sexual orientation is nobody's business, it's a private matter. If some person thinks too much about someone's orientation, then he needs to visit a doctor, without any delay. This is the most popular point of view on this issue.

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May 29, 2014, 10:23:28 PM
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i just saw his nbc interview, and i fucking love this guy.. he's ballsy. the way he presents himself makes me as certain as i possibly can that he did it not to be famous.

he even spoke out against the russian government.. quite ballsy.
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May 30, 2014, 12:36:21 AM
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In an ideal world, Snowden would return and be acquitted in a trial by jury. That would be a major blow to the current American policy on privacy.

But this isn't an ideal world.

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May 30, 2014, 04:13:31 AM
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

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May 30, 2014, 04:20:19 AM
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.
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May 30, 2014, 04:38:43 AM
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.

No question about that. My Father in law is an attorney and would say the same. He had a client earlier in his career that was executed this year. He said that the funds he received for preparing the defense for this client were nowhere near what he needed to compete with the incredible amount the state spent to make sure they could kill him.   

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May 30, 2014, 04:53:47 AM
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.

No question about that. My Father in law is an attorney and would say the same. He had a client earlier in his career that was executed this year. He said that the funds he received for preparing the defense for this client were nowhere near what he needed to compete with the incredible amount the state spent to make sure they could kill him.   

what bothers me is the people who molest kids, drive intoxicated and kill people, and do other shit.. get away scott free because they have money. meanwhile, someone who sells weed in some southern state gets the death penalty.. because he was poor and there are evil people out there.

meanwhile, we have the gangsters in our government saying "you should abide by the law, it is supreme.. come back to the U.S. so we can torture you."
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May 30, 2014, 06:09:44 AM
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People in the U.S government no less talked about how much they'd want to shoot him, it's amazing really that Russia is more safe for him than the U.S given what we've been taught by western governments as children, John Kerry can shut the fuck up I agree, at least in Russia he's being treated as a human being.

Kerry is just embarrassed at how badly their dirty laundry got put out to air making them responsible to their citizens
That invincibility complex of being the government and always knowing best.
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May 30, 2014, 06:55:26 AM
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Snowden should agree to face trial for telling the truth right after Bush and Cheney have faced trial for lying and being responsible for initiating a war of aggression, an act described by the Nuremberg Tribunals as the "supreme international crime".

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May 30, 2014, 06:57:58 AM
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Snowden should agree to face trial for telling the truth right after Bush and Cheney have faced trial for lying and being responsible for initiating a war of aggression, an act described by the Nuremberg Tribunals as the "supreme international crime".
Don't forget about Bill Clitor Clinton.

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May 30, 2014, 01:25:07 PM
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Don't forget about Bill Clitor Clinton.

Bush and Cheney waged war for their corporate allies. Billary Clintons waged war to improve their reputation. In 1999, both Bill's and Hillary's reputation was going down to the drains, when he decided to bomb the orphanages of Serbia. His reputation bounced back to some extent... but not enough to propel Kerry to an election victory the next year.

                               
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May 30, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.

No question about that. My Father in law is an attorney and would say the same. He had a client earlier in his career that was executed this year. He said that the funds he received for preparing the defense for this client were nowhere near what he needed to compete with the incredible amount the state spent to make sure they could kill him.   

what bothers me is the people who molest kids, drive intoxicated and kill people, and do other shit.. get away scott free because they have money. meanwhile, someone who sells weed in some southern state gets the death penalty.. because he was poor and there are evil people out there.

meanwhile, we have the gangsters in our government saying "you should abide by the law, it is supreme.. come back to the U.S. so we can torture you."

Innocent until proven indigent is the de facto law of the land in the US. So much for the land of the free.

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May 30, 2014, 04:54:36 PM
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The day when he will die, I am sure he will be one of the few that will proudly say : "I had a meaningful life, thanks"
There is no way he regrets following his conviction against a comfortable life.
His life is not ruined, it began from the day he followed his convictions. (The bad or good consequences it had depends on the observer)

"Every man dies, not every man really live" like William Wallace (or its actor) said Smiley

Yes, agreed. The Kerrys of this world are 10 a penny. That Kerry suggested Snowden "man up" merely shows that he doesn't really understand what it means to be a man IMHO. Talking the talk, shaking some hands and slapping some backs doesn't cut it I'm afraid.
   I had to laugh also at his little dig at Russia, where he said that it was an "authoritarian regime"  Grin What the fuck is that supposed to mean ? The pot calling the kettle black  Grin   You are the one, Kerry, wanting to string a man up by the balls for having told the truth.
  
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May 30, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
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Edward Snowden is a hero.

John Kerry is a plastic vampire leech.

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May 30, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
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You see, this is the only way the government can discredit him now. Note how they don't say JACK SHIT about the morality of what he actually did. They don't talk about whether it was right or wrong. They don't say whether the government and the NSA are breaking laws. Instead they focus on the fact that he is "afraid" to come home to be fucking imprisoned for life with no trial. Give me a fucking break. They expect people to simple go "oh yeah you're right Kerry he is a coward!" and completely discredit what he actually did and why. Any person with half a brain knows that Snowden is a fucking hero and patriot and has more balls than all of the politicians in the White House put together.

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May 30, 2014, 08:13:23 PM
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If Snowden were to get a fair public trial then sure he should man up but it will not be the case here for sure, also before asking Snowden to be judged for his crimes (because in my eyes he commited some by taking the informations and stuff) people that cause the death of hundred of thousands through the recent wars under false excuses should be held responsible for their crimes
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May 30, 2014, 09:57:10 PM
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Snowden Acts Like a Man – John Kerry Acts Like a Thug
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Edward Snowden appeared calm, articulate, and mature. John Kerry on the other hand acted like a spoiled, rich kid – a schoolyard bully questioning the “manhood” of Snowden who he insulted by calling him a coward since he won't immediately come home to face charges. In another sophomoric, juvenile bit of mud slinging Kerry called him stupid. What the jack jawed pompous millionaire government hack doesn't seem to realize is that
Snowden isn't near stupid enough to “come home for his fair trial” because no such “fair trial” would ever take place. Kerry can bluster all he wants; he has access to bombs, tanks, and assassins who will kill whomever he wishes. What does Snowden have? Two things: first he has far more common sense than Kerry, and second he has the truth.
Cont...http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/snowden-acts-like-man-john-kerry-acts.html#more

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“Sometimes the “right” thing is not the “legal” thing” was a statement he made near the end of the interview; and I knew exactly what he meant. If a kid is drowning in a lake and you're standing next to a sign that says “No Swimming!” What do you do? Answer: you break the law and save the kid. When painted into a corner you have to consider the matter of the greater good and act accordingly. Letting the chips fall where they may, which is what Snowden has done. There's a mighty dear price you pay for standing up to “Uncle Sam” and his bully goons like John Kerry. But the Federal government’s gang of rouge outlaws need to be stopped. Here's to hoping other Edward Snowdens are out there now, determining whether or not they'll act like men and yet be called a coward by the biggest coward of them all John Kerry. Name-calling is the petty task of the 8th grade bully. Taking on a corrupt government is the job of a man. Maybe someday Snowden can get back to work in his office; and Kerry can get back to the playground where he belongs.
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May 30, 2014, 10:56:58 PM
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Kerry should 'man-up' and confess to treason with the rest of the sitting and past government officials.

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