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[CryptoGretzky]

as a non-technical high frequency-noob I am still hodling all my XC at Mintpal.
I don't want to update all 3 days, or have probs with loosing coins n stuff.
But I want to mint, too. 

There's no case of people losing coins by having their coins in their wallet....

[adhitthana]

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen.

He said IIRC "mixers don't steal coins" . People do No problem if all parts of the tx's go on the same block.

However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

Can you ealborate. I'd love to get this clear. In the unmod thread it is being claimed IIUC that DRK just witnesses  and verifies the transaction, which is different to there just being an incentive not to steal, while having the ability to. I'm just asking here and trying to learn and I'm not very tech savvy.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

In its present form, the XC mixer, like coinjoin  leaves some trail, and if there are only a few transactions to choose from the possibility of guessing is greatly improved. At least that's how I understand it.

Chaeplins method or one similar could be applied to DRK IIUC, because even though the coins get mixed there is still some information, some clues, but again IIUC it's not the "hard link" that Dan the dev asked for. I think Kristov Atlas has something that can be applied to DRK to do just that

I'd love to hear the thoughts of other to see if i've misunderstood.
Peace to all  

[fourdegrees11]

Is there any way we can get an update to more accurately reflect the estimated reward time for minting? Hours go by and it changes by a minute or two.

Here is a screen shot of my wallet that shows minting (Mined).   In my experience it is counted in Days (7-9 days) not hours. However please note this is based on my own experience.  What you see "Expected Time to earn reward" is actually bugged currently.  Or it actually means something else. I don't really know, but  based on the description of the coin it says 8 hours to 30 days.

https://i.imgur.com/NG6Mqc0.jpg

Thanks!

May I ask approximately how much XC do you have for those returns?

[JakeThePanda]

Love the way things are headed. The Dev keeps the upgrades rolling in. Every time I see an update from atc I  . Keep up the great work guys. I am now 100% confident that true anon will happen very soon, and it will be right here with XC. I keep checking the price and laugh to myself.

To whomever is keeping the price down thank you. I need to buy as many as possible before the price hits .01

I'm convinced that rev 1.5 is 100% anonymous. With all the FUD that ATCsecure and XC has endured and nobody has even made a guess so far? 

You are convinced - wow you are easily swayed. Its that nobody cares to waste time on this, hence no replies.

Wow, you just replied.  Maybe you would be swayed to quit wasting your time being that nobody cares. Your not convinced?

Hence?

some people need to be told the obvious

You must be a joker. With all the time you, chaeplin, and others spend in XC threads trying to discredit the dev and XC and all of a sudden you don't care enough to waste your time? You can't crack it and that's the bottom line. Do it and i pay you 1btc from my own stash.

[brother3]

Love the way things are headed. The Dev keeps the upgrades rolling in. Every time I see an update from atc I  . Keep up the great work guys. I am now 100% confident that true anon will happen very soon, and it will be right here with XC. I keep checking the price and laugh to myself.

To whomever is keeping the price down thank you. I need to buy as many as possible before the price hits .01

I'm convinced that rev 1.5 is 100% anonymous. With all the FUD that ATCsecure and XC has endured and nobody has even made a guess so far? 

You are convinced - wow you are easily swayed. Its that nobody cares to waste time on this, hence no replies.

Wow, you just replied.  Maybe you would be swayed to quit wasting your time being that nobody cares. Your not convinced?

Hence?

some people need to be told the obvious

You must be a joker. With all the time you, chaeplin, and others spend in XC threads trying to discredit the dev and XC and all of a sudden you don't care enough to waste your time? You can't crack it and that's the bottom line. Do it and i pay you 1btc from my own stash.

Now this is a guy that puts his money where his mouth is !!!

[Artoodeetoo]

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

[CrazyLeoW]

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

Please do not reveal the truth of DRK, since DRKer will bite XC hysterically

[Propulsion]

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

Please do not reveal the truth of DRK, since DRKer will bite XC hysterically

Oh man this is the reason XC is treated with such animosity from Darkcoin. Post's like these.

[adhitthana]

Oh man this is the reason XC is treated with such animosity from Darkcoin. Post's like these.

XC is not treated with animosity from Darkcoin.
99.9% of the people don't care

[CryptoGretzky]

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

Please do not reveal the truth of DRK, since DRKer will bite XC hysterically

Oh man this is the reason XC is treated with such animosity from Darkcoin. Post's like these.

Only huge DRK bagholders like you treat it with animosity... most normal people don't give a crap...   

I think this post really show your true color....

[SushiChef]

I'm trying to read back the last 10 pages but it isn't working.. headache OMG.. chaeplin never showed up?

[CryptoGretzky]

I'm trying to read back the last 10 pages but it isn't working.. headache OMG.. chaeplin never showed up?

Chaeplin can't solve the multi-path with pattern matching, so he's hiding now.

[SushiChef]

I'm trying to read back the last 10 pages but it isn't working.. headache OMG.. chaeplin never showed up?

Chaeplin can't solve the multi-path with pattern matching, so he's hiding now.

Probably saying things like "You should test your own coin" "Dev didn't answer me" "I already found address but will not tell you"

one word.. PUSSY

[mecc]

I'm trying to read back the last 10 pages but it isn't working.. headache OMG.. chaeplin never showed up?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.760

He doesn't seem interested. Appears to be deflecting. Then talks about how his techniques wouldn't work on DRK RC4. Yeah, if he were to admit that he couldn't find any links with XC 1.5, that would look pretty bad for DRK... Anyways, let's focus on improving XC.

Get a bounty up for people to try to crack the transactions and make it worth their time. We should have a fund for this. I'm sure others would donate as well. We need some organization here. Then get the word out. Can we claim the code is ready for prime time if no one even tests it? Would also make for some good publicity.

[gadgetnerd]

we are getting noticed: http://www.coindesk.com/world-cup-startcoin-crowdfunding-vertcoin-stealth-move/
Be it one sentence

[SushiChef]

I'm trying to read back the last 10 pages but it isn't working.. headache OMG.. chaeplin never showed up?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.760

He doesn't seem interested. Appears to be deflecting. Then talks about how his techniques wouldn't work on DRK RC4. Yeah, if he were to admit that he couldn't find any links with XC 1.5, that would look pretty bad for DRK... Anyways, let's focus on improving XC.

Get a bounty up for people to try to crack the transactions and make it worth their time. We should have a fund for this. I'm sure others would donate as well. We need some organization here. Then get the word out. Can we claim the code is ready for prime time if no one even tests it? Would also make for some good publicity.

add 0,1btc to the bounty!

[Artoodeetoo]

I'm trying to read back the last 10 pages but it isn't working.. headache OMG.. chaeplin never showed up?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.760

He doesn't seem interested. Appears to be deflecting. Then talks about how his techniques wouldn't work on DRK RC4. Yeah, if he were to admit that he couldn't find any links with XC 1.5, that would look pretty bad for DRK... Anyways, let's focus on improving XC.

Get a bounty up for people to try to crack the transactions and make it worth their time. We should have a fund for this. I'm sure others would donate as well. We need some organization here. Then get the word out. Can we claim the code is ready for prime time if no one even tests it? Would also make for some good publicity.

HE has gone VERY quiet.. Quite funny really...

[Artoodeetoo]

The buywall on mintpal is getting bigger too..

100 BTC now...

0.00115510   87312.56516489   100.85474402

[benthach]

the cum before the storm. my buy just sit there. no one want to sell to me.

BUY   255.56757736   0.00119604 0.30566905   0.000 45850   0.30612755

[From Above]

XC to the uranus!