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February 16, 2012, 04:36:17 PM
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Today a legal complaint against bitcoinica.com was filed with the Spanish authorities, given their legal status is unknown and any requests for providing information are left unanswered.
I strongly suggest anyone, having issues with bitcoin being associated with money laundering and unregulated speculation, doing the same thing in their jurisdiction. English translation is not available at this moment but will be faxed when ready to bitcoinica.com by the competent authorities.


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February 16, 2012, 04:39:14 PM
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this is going to hurt mtgox...

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February 16, 2012, 04:58:37 PM
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Today a legal complaint against bitcoinica.com was filed with the Spanish authorities, given their legal status is unknown and any requests for providing information are left unanswered.
I strongly suggest anyone, having issues with bitcoin being associated with money laundering and unregulated speculation, doing the same thing in their jurisdiction.

Wait, you are suggesting people attack bitcoinica?

Why? What have they done? As far as I know, they've been behaving honestly. I've seem some issues about lack of reserves, but nothing fraudulent.
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February 16, 2012, 05:06:33 PM
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Today a legal complaint against bitcoinica.com was filed with the Spanish authorities, given their legal status is unknown and any requests for providing information are left unanswered.
I strongly suggest anyone, having issues with bitcoin being associated with money laundering and unregulated speculation, doing the same thing in their jurisdiction.

Wait, you are suggesting people attack bitcoinica?

Why? What have they done? As far as I know, they've been behaving honestly. I've seem some issues about lack of reserves, but nothing fraudulent.

Yeah. It is this attitude that got TH shutdown.

Spain has good relations with Chile police I would think.

FYI this is NOT helping anyone but your greedy self.

How much are they paying you to rat bitcoinica out ?
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February 16, 2012, 06:05:59 PM
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this is going to hurt mtgox...

what do you mean ?

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February 16, 2012, 06:34:39 PM
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this is going to hurt mtgox...

what do you mean ?

mtgox codes are being traded at bitcoinica..

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February 16, 2012, 06:37:22 PM
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this is going to hurt mtgox...

what do you mean ?

mtgox codes are being traded at bitcoinica..


thanks for telling me that, i will make sure the police knows about it

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February 16, 2012, 06:40:58 PM
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this is going to hurt mtgox...

what do you mean ?

mtgox codes are being traded at bitcoinica..


thanks for telling me that, i will make sure the police knows about it

not sure if you are serious...

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February 16, 2012, 06:50:23 PM
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this is going to hurt mtgox...

what do you mean ?

mtgox codes are being traded at bitcoinica..


thanks for telling me that, i will make sure the police knows about it

not sure if you are serious...

i mean if they will call me to request for more information

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February 16, 2012, 07:27:41 PM
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Dude, I lost all respect I had for you...

And good luck for your money transmitting business that you so eagerly promote on this forum.
I'll make sure to stay away from it, and I'm sure many others will do the same.

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February 16, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
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this is going to hurt mtgox...

what do you mean ?
Bitcoinica is like a 3rd of MtGox's volume? I heard that somewhere, don't know if it is correct. But if it is, yes it will hurt MtGox's volume.

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February 16, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
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i mean if they will call me to request for more information

LOL. I just want to know how much you get paid for this Cheesy

Seems that now members of our own community are the so-called "establishment".

Good one paraipan !
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February 16, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
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meelba will be joining in on the fun soon Wink

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February 16, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
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lol, it's a dununcia - anyone can file these & they go nowhere 99% of the time, it means I'm upset about something I saw on the Internets so it must be banned - actually it says I wish to bring this matter to the attention of the authorities, it says there's some site on the web that's only in English not Spanish & though I've not lost any money on it I think that others may do so in the future so please check it out, Spain isn't the Generalísimo of the Internets or for that matter have any jurisdiction in Singapore, Delaware, or 99% of the rest of the world since they lost their colonial rapespoils, it's a total red herring ego trip FUD

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February 16, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
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Today a legal complaint against bitcoinica.com was filed with the Spanish authorities, given their legal status is unknown and any requests for providing information are left unanswered.
I strongly suggest anyone, having issues with bitcoin being associated with money laundering and unregulated speculation, doing the same thing in their jurisdiction. English translation is not available at this moment but will be faxed when ready to bitcoinica.com by the competent authorities.



WTF ? 

I hate bitcoinica at times too..

But you posting this is just pure stupidity..  because you make no point in describing your issues with them to us ?

Just a spanish document that could be anything..  you could be filing a report about a lost dog for all I know or care..

How about some actual details ?
I would love to further laugh about the idea you wish to promote ?

Are you a mtgox peon ?


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February 16, 2012, 08:02:11 PM
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@teflone and @senbonzakura: I hope you guys are ready for the complaint paraipan will also make about you operating an illegal "bank"...

...and it's islamic... the spanish SWAT will raid you both, you terrorists, just so you learn not the attack their subway system!  Roll Eyes

@teflone: I could translate it to you but I'll just tell you the general guidelines.
1- He discovered a website in the internet who takes money from people without asking for identification documents.
2- That the only information they have in the webiste is about how to send money to them.
3- That in a later date they started accepting deposits from people and they play with them on the market and promise high returns on the investment.
4- That he has asked more information about the company in public forums, I suspect bitcointalk.org, and have got no answers from the company, thus believing they are a sweat shop.
5- He hasn't personally lost any money or patrimony with said company but it's his desire that the police investigates them

tl;dr: He's a jealous snitch.

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February 16, 2012, 08:09:15 PM
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it's not even close to an accurate description of what Bitcoinica does or claims to do, the denuncia states that they are soliciting investments for a fund that which will be invested in highly speculative way that they will then use to pay elevated rates of interest, Bitcoinica does not do this - it's not a fund, an investment, doesn't promise high returns or any at all for that matter - the person who wrote this is either a moron or just doesn't have a clue, maybe both

I could go in to the local cop shop & fill out a similar form, though in most jurisdictions I would actually have had to have lost some money first, the result would be identical anywhere in the world - yep, yet another one to file in the looney bin

edit: I suppose with the swaps there is some offer now of a return for funds deposited which I guess is what this is based upon so that may be of relevance, also the complaint says that no ID information is gathered from those participating, looks like an oblique attack on the whole Bitcoin concept imo, but aimed at Bitcoinica rather than Bitcoins itself

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February 16, 2012, 08:23:46 PM
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Today a legal complaint against bitcoinica.com was filed with the Spanish authorities, given their legal status is unknown and any requests for providing information are left unanswered.
I strongly suggest anyone, having issues with bitcoin being associated with money laundering and unregulated speculation, doing the same thing in their jurisdiction. English translation is not available at this moment but will be faxed when ready to bitcoinica.com by the competent authorities.

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WTF ?  

I hate bitcoinica at times too..

But you posting this is just pure stupidity..  because you make no point in describing your issues with them to us ?

Just a spanish document that could be anything..  you could be filing a report about a lost dog for all I know or care..

How about some actual details ?
I would love to further laugh about the idea you wish to promote ?

Are you a mtgox peon ?



I don't "hate" bitcoinica at all and don't work for any interested party around bitcoin project, only for myself. I will withdraw my complaint if bitcoinica publicly proves that it had all the required documents and complies with AML regulations.

Complaint was filed with Spanish National Police and passed onto their Internet investigation division. It's mostly a legal request to investigate on the matter, given there is a high risk of fraud. I'm not allowed to translate the document myself and a legal translator costs money that I better spend on my needs. Additional domain registrant info was provided too.

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February 16, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
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Lame move, dude. You are hurting the bitcoin community.


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February 16, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
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Your motive for doing this?

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