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[dooglus]

ok I want two trusted people who are not part of deans site,  I think Finn had exposed the other site, so I need to have finn evaluate it.  Dean thinks im stupid but will expose him today. 

First of all, I heard about this post where Dean said, ducky is probably me. No its not.
Secondly, I doubt there would be anything wrong with the site at this stage, but I would still be fine with having a look. Its probably going to be a misunderstanding.
btw You could trust almost anyone on the forum for sharing that info.

I can take a look too. PM me with details if you want them kept private for some reason. As far as I can see though, there's no reason not to discuss it in public. I doubt you found anything that hasn't been discussed before, but if you did then everyone should see it.

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[PocketRocketsCasino]

ok I want two trusted people who are not part of deans site,  I think Finn had exposed the other site, so I need to have finn evaluate it.  Dean thinks im stupid but will expose him today. 

First of all, I heard about this post where Dean said, ducky is probably me. No its not.
Secondly, I doubt there would be anything wrong with the site at this stage, but I would still be fine with having a look. Its probably going to be a misunderstanding.
btw You could trust almost anyone on the forum for sharing that info.

I can take a look too. PM me with details if you want them kept private for some reason. As far as I can see though, there's no reason not to discuss it in public. I doubt you found anything that hasn't been discussed before, but if you did then everyone should see it.

Unless it's a security critical concern then it's best to email me so it can be fixed before anyone else finds a way to exploit it and a bounty can be rewarded.

[waterpile]

profits went 1k BTC. Investors are going to party again

[BayAreaCoins]

ok I want two trusted people who are not part of deans site,  I think Finn had exposed the other site, so I need to have finn evaluate it.  Dean thinks im stupid but will expose him today. 

Feel free to PM me as well if needed.

[duckydonald]

ok I want two trusted people who are not part of deans site,  I think Finn had exposed the other site, so I need to have finn evaluate it.  Dean thinks im stupid but will expose him today. 

First of all, I heard about this post where Dean said, ducky is probably me. No its not.
Secondly, I doubt there would be anything wrong with the site at this stage, but I would still be fine with having a look. Its probably going to be a misunderstanding.
btw You could trust almost anyone on the forum for sharing that info.

Finnn PM I cant say anything yet to give the op  a chance to fix what he did, so I have to keep it off record.  I have two proofs that op is hostile when threatened.

[wayshegoes]

I would also be hostile if I was being threatened or extorted. Just PM Dean with what you're found, it's simple. He'll probably give you a bounty if it's a serious issue.

[Dabs]

I'm guessing he wants two other people to attempt to recreate the exploit he found, and when they confirm it, he then tells Dean.

[dooglus]

Finnn PM I cant say anything yet to give the op  a chance to fix what he did, so I have to keep it off record.  I have two proofs that op is hostile when threatened.

OP is often hostile even when not threatened. And don't hold your breath for a bounty.

I told him months ago about a bug that was allowing a player to slowly drain the bankroll and have still received nothing in return.

[PocketRocketsCasino]

Finnn PM I cant say anything yet to give the op  a chance to fix what he did, so I have to keep it off record.  I have two proofs that op is hostile when threatened.

OP is often hostile even when not threatened. And don't hold your breath for a bounty.

I told him months ago about a bug that was allowing a player to slowly drain the bankroll and have still received nothing in return.

I've yet to have any player or investor complain about customer service. The only people I have been hostile towards, in the past, are you and finnile and some trolls who have no interest in playing or investing and just try to give the site a bad name.

You keep going on about that bug. I'm not even gonna waste my time with that but the situation was totally different and I also explained to you that it was extremely lucky timing for the player to have done it since it was on the todo list to review the method within the next few days. So no, no one could have drained the bankroll with it.

People who have reported bugs in the way it is done everywhere else in the software industry have been paid bounties many times. Users like dreama and wilco to name a few.

[dooglus]

I've yet to have any player or investor complain about customer service.

This isn't true. I have bet thousands of dollars of Bitcoin at your site and have complained about customer service.

You keep going on about that bug.

That isn't true. Ricky just mentioned that there are bug bonuses. I simply mentioned that they sometimes don't get paid out, even for serious bugs.

I'm not even gonna waste my time with that

See, customer service sucks at your site. I have a genuine complaint, and you're not even "gonna" waste your time with it. Classic Dean response.

but the situation was totally different

You PM'ed me out of nowhere, desperate because a player kept winning. You asked me for help finding out why it was happening. I wasted my time trying to help you because you asked me to help you. Eventually I found the bug, reported it to you, and you gave me nothing.

Yes the situation is different - you explicitly asked me to find the bug, I found it, and you stiffed me.

But don't feel like you need to waste your time justifying your decision to stiff me.

and I also explained to you that it was extremely lucky timing for the player to have done it since it was on the todo list to review the method within the next few days.

This is irrelevant. I'm not talking about the bug. I'm talking about how you refused to pay me the bug bounty for a bug you asked me to find for you. Most sites would test third party code *before* putting it live. You apparently do it in the opposite order? I'm hardly surprised, but again this is "going on about the bug" which I don't want to do.

So no, no one could have drained the bankroll with it.

Everyone who bet "hi" on a 2x payout while that code was live had a higher expectation that they should have. It was a serious bug. And anyway like I said YOU contacted ME asking for my help finding it. So to try to downplay its seriousness now seems disingenuous.

People who have reported bugs in the way it is done everywhere else in the software industry have been paid bounties many times. Users like dreama and wilco to name a few.

I didn't know the bug existed until you asked me to help you. When I found it, I PM'ed you about it. What about the way in which I reported it disqualified me from receiving a bounty? You've never told me.

[PocketRocketsCasino]

I've yet to have any player or investor complain about customer service.

This isn't true. I have bet thousands of dollars of Bitcoin at your site and have complained about customer service.

Yeah when you first came over to PRC you played and everything was fine. Then we had one disagreement about a withdrawal that took longer than you wanted it to but within the time I advertised and ever since you have attacked, trolled and generally drove people away from PRC. There's been a few times I have offered to even let it all go so that we can at least have discussions about things that may benefit the players/investors and community. But every other day you continue in the same way.

You keep going on about that bug.

That isn't true. Ricky just mentioned that there are bug bonuses. I simply mentioned that they sometimes don't get paid out, even for serious bugs.

I'm not even gonna waste my time with that

See, customer service sucks at your site. I have a genuine complaint, and you're not even "gonna" waste your time with it. Classic Dean response.

When I say waste my time with you it's because you are not a player or investor and as I said above, you go out your way to attack me and the site. So yes I won't continue arguments that we've had many times before.

but the situation was totally different

You PM'ed me out of nowhere, desperate because a player kept winning. You asked me for help finding out why it was happening. I wasted my time trying to help you because you asked me to help you. Eventually I found the bug, reported it to you, and you gave me nothing.

Yes the situation is different - you explicitly asked me to find the bug, I found it, and you stiffed me.

But don't feel like you need to waste your time justifying your decision to stiff me.

and I also explained to you that it was extremely lucky timing for the player to have done it since it was on the todo list to review the method within the next few days.

This is irrelevant. I'm not talking about the bug. I'm talking about how you refused to pay me the bug bounty for a bug you asked me to find for you. Most sites would test third party code *before* putting it live. You apparently do it in the opposite order? I'm hardly surprised, but again this is "going on about the bug" which I don't want to do.

So no, no one could have drained the bankroll with it.

Everyone who bet "hi" on a 2x payout while that code was live had a higher expectation that they should have. It was a serious bug. And anyway like I said YOU contacted ME asking for my help finding it. So to try to downplay its seriousness now seems disingenuous.

People who have reported bugs in the way it is done everywhere else in the software industry have been paid bounties many times. Users like dreama and wilco to name a few.

I didn't know the bug existed until you asked me to help you. When I found it, I PM'ed you about it. What about the way in which I reported it disqualified me from receiving a bounty? You've never told me.

As for the bug and your bounty. I contacted you because you were seen in the forum as someone to trust and you obviously had experience with this kind of thing. You helped find it which I was thankful for.
However you then started reporting it in the chat, the forums and started bashing me and the site before I even had the chance to fix it and refund the people affected. This is not standard bug reporting procedure. Otherwise I would have given a bounty like I do everyone else who does it in the proper way that it is done in the rest of the software industry.

[finnile]

I've yet to have any player or investor complain about customer service. The only people I have been hostile towards, in the past, are you and finnile and some trolls who have no interest in playing or investing and just try to give the site a bad name.

And this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg8779155#msg8779155
Oh wait, I have heard about a lot of other people before. Do you really expect me to keep a record of them now?

[dooglus]

But every other day you continue in the same way.

More lies. How do you expect people to trust you to hold their coins when you can't even argue honestly?

As for the bug and your bounty. I contacted you because you were seen in the forum as someone to trust and you obviously had experience with this kind of thing. You helped find it which I was thankful for.

I didn't help find it, I found it. You gave up on finding it and were re-enabling betting on the site when I found it and reported it to you in a PM.

However you then started reporting it in the chat, the forums and started bashing me and the site before I even had the chance to fix it and refund the people affected.

I waited for you to fix it before mentioning it to anyone.

The fact that it took you a long time to refund people is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether I publicly disclosed the bug before or after you fixed it. I didn't tell anyone about it until AFTER you fixed it.

This is not standard bug reporting procedure. Otherwise I would have given a bounty like I do everyone else who does it in the proper way that it is done in the rest of the software industry.

I reported the bug to you in a responsible manner. You fixed it, and then I went public about it.

That is the standard way these things happen.

You still haven't paid me for it. Lying about the order that things happened doesn't help your case.

After you fixed it, I posted about how it's crappy to put untested code live. That's nothing about the bug disclosure and shouldn't affect the bug bounty payment. You appear to be refusing to pay me because I posted negative comments about the crappy way you run things. I guess you would prefer to sweep all the crap under the carpet and pretend that "there's nothing wrong with the software".

I'm simply pointing out that you are not a man of your word. You claim to pay bug bounties, but arbitrarily refuse to pay them out when they are clearly due.

[PocketRocketsCasino]

But every other day you continue in the same way.

More lies. How do you expect people to trust you to hold their coins when you can't even argue honestly?

Exactly what I am talking about. You have to get stupid digs in like that.
How can people trust me with their coins?
Maybe because I have held peoples coins safely for over a year and a half?
I am not lying about the way you post at all. I could post links to your own posts in this forum or from the chat logs I have from PRC and other sites.
 
And about your bug bounty, I never offered one.
I asked for your help to see if you could spot anything since you were seen as a trusted person in the community.
Like when in site chats and people ask programming questions. I've seen you answer these type of things before and I answer when other people ask me.
If you had have asked or made it clear you expected pay before doing that then we could have arranged it like a short contract gig. I just thought I'd reward you something after but not after the way you went about it.

[dooglus]

And about your bug bounty, I never offered one.

So you don't pay a bounty for the responsible reporting of critical bugs?

You have stated multiple times before that you do, both before and after I found the bug which had caused you to suspend betting on your site.

[BayAreaCoins]

And about your bug bounty, I never offered one.

So you don't pay a bounty for the responsible reporting of critical bugs?

You have stated multiple times before that you do, both before and after I found the bug which had caused you to suspend betting on your site.

At least he didn't threat to sue you for helping him

[dooglus]

At least he didn't threat to sue you for helping him

Are you saying you're a customer with a complaint?

Go away. You don't exist.

[PocketRocketsCasino]

And about your bug bounty, I never offered one.

So you don't pay a bounty for the responsible reporting of critical bugs?

You have stated multiple times before that you do, both before and after I found the bug which had caused you to suspend betting on your site.

You didn't get in touch with me to report it like a normal bug reporter would.
I asked you in general conversation if you could spot anything since it was similar code to what you would be used to. You didn't think there was anything wrong at first either.

It's all nit picking I guess and you'll be the one in the right on this forum.

I'm done here.

[finnile]

And about your bug bounty, I never offered one.

So you don't pay a bounty for the responsible reporting of critical bugs?

You have stated multiple times before that you do, both before and after I found the bug which had caused you to suspend betting on your site.

There is no point in arguing with the guy. He will never admit he is wrong on anything. As long as people invest, he thinks he is doing the right thing. Thats what he said in the chart the other day.
I don't see why someone should not publicly point out about the bug like dooglus did. If he had said it to you privately, which he did, and had not gone public, then no one would know what the error was, and you could have corrected it, and acted like nothing happened. People lost due to your incompetence, and they deserve to know about bugs that affects their profits/bets.

And, he keeps lying about everything. We agreed upon the 1 BTC for the UI bug, which was definitely a major issue and not a minor one. And then, to not pay, he said that I demanded more than 1 BTC.  Here is him saying that: http://i59.tinypic.com/2dj4gon.png
and if someone wants an email proof, where I agreed with 1 BTC, look at the history of the thread.

Quote from chart: http://i59.tinypic.com/2dtc12.jpg  " No one has ever lost a coin here due to my incompetence." Really? They did, but you rolled it back, after dooglus pointed the fault out. They had lost over 20 BTC due to that.

I asked for your help to see if you could spot anything since you were seen as a trusted person in the community.

And Oh Wait, did Dean just say dooglus was a trusted person according to him? Doesn't seem so from this:  http://i58.tinypic.com/2whi13m.png

The reason people invest in you is the same reason, they chose to make one more bet in their martingale streak.

I am done here

[finnile]

And about your bug bounty, I never offered one.

So you don't pay a bounty for the responsible reporting of critical bugs?

You have stated multiple times before that you do, both before and after I found the bug which had caused you to suspend betting on your site.

At least he didn't threat to sue you for helping him

Is that why you took the trust off him? or was it something due to the new trust system?