Sheriff's investigators release initial findings on Obama eligibility

[Bind]

http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html

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[Red Emerald]

Well at least they didn't use my tax dollars for this.

[Rassah]

So... what did they find out?

[Hawker]

So... what did they find out?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009

Nothing it seems. 

[Rassah]

"My investigators believe that the long-form birth certificate was manufactured electronically and that it did not originate in a paper format as claimed by the White House."

It was... PRINTED!!!  Dun-dun-duuuuuuuun!.....

[check_status]

If you want to read the E-book...
http://www.amazon.com/Question-Eligibility-Enforcement-Investigation-ebook/dp/B007FWO19W

[Jakel-s]

This shit still?

[stochastic]

Wasn't Martin van Buren the first US President that was actually born a United States citizen?

[FlipPro]

REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO LOOSE SO BAD IN 2012  

[Bind]

THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOSE SO BAD IN 2012  

fixed it for you.

[FlipPro]

THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOSE SO BAD IN 2012  

fixed it for you.

Funny how you equate Republicans to people.

[Hawker]

Funny how neither of you can spell "lose."

[Matthew N. Wright]

Funny how neither of you can spell "lose."

For real. What the fuck.

I wish people who don't know how to type would not type.

[ineededausername]

http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html

[Phinnaeus Gage]

http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html

I found this video the other day. He's such a looser! 

[FirstAscent]

Funny how neither of you can spell "lose."

One of the biggest pet peeves of mine of all time: At least half (or more it seems) of the population on the Internet cannot spell "lose". Strangest thing.

[Bind]

THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOSE SO BAD IN 2012  

fixed it for you.

Funny how you equate Republicans to people.

I equate people to people. I have absolutely no political affiliation. I dislike them all equally.

The people are always the losers in our current political system. The left-right, lib-con, dem-rep paradigm is a farce. An illusion of "choice" given to us so we can be more easily controlled and divided and conquered, mostly so we do not concentrate on them and the system inside of the box... the real problem. They both have identical asperations and policy at the top echilons of the parties and feed us meaningless small issues to fight over to keep us preoccupied. Actually the problem is us... The People... For our apathy and disinterest.

How many of you actually research and investigate candidates, their writings, speeches, and voting records prior to forming an opinion or voting ?

[Hawker]

THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOSE SO BAD IN 2012  

fixed it for you.

Funny how you equate Republicans to people.

I equate people to people. I have absolutely no political affiliation. I dislike them all equally.

The people are always the losers in our current political system.

...snip...

By that logic, the people always win as well.

[interlagos]

THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOSE SO BAD IN 2012  

fixed it for you.

Funny how you equate Republicans to people.

I equate people to people. I have absolutely no political affiliation. I dislike them all equally.

The people are always the losers in our current political system. The left-right, lib-con, dem-rep paradigm is a farce. An illusion of "choice" given to us so we can be more easily controlled and divided and conquered, mostly so we do not concentrate on them and the system inside of the box... the real problem. They both have identical asperations and policy at the top echilons of the parties and feed us meaningless small issues to fight over to keep us preoccupied. Actually the problem is us... The People... For our apathy and disinterest.

How many of you actually research and investigate candidates, their writings, speeches, and voting records prior to forming an opinion or voting ?

Republicans (as all other politicians) are not people, they are reptilians, but I guess you all know that already

[RodeoX]

WTF? Oh, yes election time. Send in the clowns!

[stochastic]

WTF? Oh, yes election time. Send in the clowns!

And I thought this place would be full of agorists....

[cbeast]

http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html

I found this video the other day. He's such a looser! 

Yet here he ended up.

[FlipPro]

http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html

I found this video the other day. He's such a looser! 

Yet here he ended up.

This

[RodeoX]

WTF? Oh, yes election time. Send in the clowns!

And I thought this place would be full of agorists....

I had to look up agorists. 
My "clown" remark was in reference to trotting out the birther issue just in time for election season.

[Red Emerald]

It's not like Obama ever hid his birth certificate.  These are just idiot Republicans making noise so other idiots in America don't hear about things that should actually influence their vote.

http://store.barackobama.com/made-in-the-usa-mug.html

[benjamindees]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Be serious.  This is not a long form birth certificate.  It's a hack job that someone pieced together from a photocopy with some green checkered background.  There isn't even a notary seal.  I can't believe any state would produce something this sloppy.

[Hawker]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Be serious.  This is not a long form birth certificate.  It's a hack job that someone pieced together from a photocopy with some green checkered background.  There isn't even a notary seal.  I can't believe any state would produce something this sloppy.

Damn right.  We all know Obama is one of the lizard people.

[stochastic]

WTF? Oh, yes election time. Send in the clowns!

And I thought this place would be full of agorists....

I had to look up agorists. 
My "clown" remark was in reference to trotting out the birther issue just in time for election season.

My agorist remart was because agorists don't vote.  They believe in using the counter-culture or grey markets to take down the current system.  Working within the system will only corrupt the individual.  I only vote so I am on the jury pools so I can nullify victimless crimes.

[Bind]

It's not like Obama ever hid his birth certificate.  These are just idiot Republicans making noise so other idiots in America don't hear about things that should actually influence their vote.

http://store.barackobama.com/made-in-the-usa-mug.html

What you have is the illusion of a birth certificate. It's a bad forgery. If they were smart, they would have printed it out, THEN scanned it as a PDF instead of using adobe manipulation tools to create it in layers.

As a graphic artist hobbiest, I know all about "layers" in graphics, which do not exist without software tools creating them (so you can manipulate, add, and delete content contained within).

[edited for spelling]

[Hawker]

Bind - why don't you offer them your services so a proper forgery can be done?

[Bind]

Bind - why don't you offer them your services so a proper forgery can be done?

for many reasons... the main ones being ....

1. I am honest and would not be a participant in the creation of a forgery.
2. I am not a whore who sells out my ethics, values, and/or morals.
3. I believe in freedom, liberty, and sovereignty, so I would not be a participant in facilitating the descruction of said.

[stochastic]

Bind - why don't you offer them your services so a proper forgery can be done?

for many reasons... the main ones being ....

1. I am honest and would not be a participant in the creation of a forgery.
2. I am not a whore who sells out my ethics, values, and/or morals.
3. I believe in freedom, liberty, and sovereignty, so I would not be a participant in facilitating the descruction of said.

How about forging an unethical document?

[jwzguy]

I never gave much attention to the birther movement, not because it's incomprehensible, but because it seems like they have no idea about all the other much worse shenanigans that go on.

Is there a reasonable explanation as to why their pdf document - which is supposedly a scan of a birth certificate - has parts of the written text on one layer and part on another? When I scan documents -> PDF this never happens.

And I'm assuming the anti-forgery paper is what the state supposedly copied the original onto - why is that on a separate layer? If it was added electronically, that seems like it would defeat the purpose. 

I'm completely open to a logical reason for this - but I can't think of one.

[check_status]

Have you tried to scan security paper? Usually there is special ink that reflects "COPY" repeatedly in the background when scanned.

Obama: The Illegitimate President with Dr. Jerome Corsi, Youtube

[Hawker]

Have you tried to scan security paper? Usually there is special ink that reflects "COPY" repeatedly in the background when scanned.

Obama: The Illegitimate President with Dr. Jerome Corsi, Youtube

If the birth certificate is valid, do you then accept that Obama is a legitimate President?

[cbeast]

Funny how neither of you can spell "lose."

One of the biggest pet peeves of mine of all time: At least half (or more it seems) of the population on the Internet cannot spell "lose". Strangest thing.

That was the first typo I made chatting online back in 1983. 

[RodeoX]

The FBI is the foremost authority in the world on fake U.S. birth certificates. So why would anyone think that a local sheriff and his volunteers know more than they do?

[benjamindees]

The FBI is the foremost authority in the world on fake U.S. birth certificates. So why would anyone think that a local sheriff and his volunteers know more than they do?

Is there any evidence the FBI has made any investigation at all?

[conspirosphere.tk]

You might be interested in the real a.k.a. Obama birth certificate here:
http://webabuser.blogspot.it/2011/02/beyond-bizarre-proofs-of-kenyan-scam.html
Related:
http://webabuser.blogspot.it/search/label/Barack%20Fu*king%20Hussein%20Obama

[RodeoX]

The FBI is the foremost authority in the world on fake U.S. birth certificates. So why would anyone think that a local sheriff and his volunteers know more than they do?

Is there any evidence the FBI has made any investigation at all?

Not that I know of. However the forgery dept. must have been asked to look at this a million times. They are people, and have the internet also. If anything looked hinky, they would have looked into it by now.

[conspirosphere.tk]

If anything looked hinky, they would have looked into it by now.

You mean like in the JFK assassination and a zillion of other high crimes?
That's reassuring.

[Hawker]

If anything looked hinky, they would have looked into it by now.

You mean like in the JFK assassination and a zillion of other high crimes?
That's reassuring.

If the birth certificate is valid, do you then accept that Obama is a legitimate President?

[Rassah]

Funny thing is, if the CIA or whoever wanted to install a candidate they themselves controlled, there are FAR more and likely better choices among those definitely born in the US. Why would they pick a foreigner, and then try to hide it? I mean, what does Obama have that plenty of others don't?

[benjamindees]

Harvard law school, professor, senator, young, black... really?  How many others do you think the CIA has in their back pocket?

And McCain had legitimacy issues too so it's not like that couldn't be part of the plan...

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Funny thing is, if the CIA or whoever wanted to install a candidate they themselves controlled, there are FAR more and likely better choices among those definitely born in the US. Why would they pick a foreigner, and then try to hide it? I mean, what does Obama have that plenty of others don't?

This post gave me an interesting thought. If the CIA, or whomever, want to put in place a candidate they could control and already knew the rule book cover-to-cover, they could have gone with Hillary.

~Bruno~

[juggalodarkclow]

http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html

I found this video the other day. He's such a looser! 

Yet here he ended up.

This

then this  http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/antoine-dodson-arrested-alabama-marijuana-possession/story?id=13446865#.T2p3ARH2YV0

[Cablez]

It is just so hard to get as excited as they want you to, when once its over I am left with either a dirty douche or a stinky turd sandwich. 

[check_status]

Funny thing is, if the CIA or whoever wanted to install a candidate they themselves controlled, there are FAR more and likely better choices among those definitely born in the US. Why would they pick a foreigner, and then try to hide it? I mean, what does Obama have that plenty of others don't?

This post gave me an interesting thought. If the CIA, or whomever, want to put in place a candidate they could control and already knew the rule book cover-to-cover, they could have gone with Hillary.

~Bruno~

On the show '24', the Secretary of State killed the black President. Is Hillary currently the Secretary of State? Is Obama a black President? Coincidence?
I heard that the CIA uses Hollywood to presage events to preparing people for their next goals.

[bb113]

No, real life always has a twist.

[cbeast]

Funny thing is, if the CIA or whoever wanted to install a candidate they themselves controlled, there are FAR more and likely better choices among those definitely born in the US. Why would they pick a foreigner, and then try to hide it? I mean, what does Obama have that plenty of others don't?

This post gave me an interesting thought. If the CIA, or whomever, want to put in place a candidate they could control and already knew the rule book cover-to-cover, they could have gone with Hillary.

~Bruno~

On the show '24', the Secretary of State killed the black President. Is Hillary currently the Secretary of State? Is Obama a black President? Coincidence?
I heard that the CIA uses Hollywood to presage events to preparing people for their next goals.

Who leaked that? heh. I think it's the other way around. I think the CIA is too dumb to have original ideas themselves and get them from tv.

[benjamindees]

I think the CIA is too dumb to have original ideas themselves and get them from tv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1x1A7KMq9s

Tell us more about your theory. 

[check_status]

Law enforcement investigation into the Obama eligibility issue finds fraud and forgery with the documents presented, press conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk5K6svnrI4

They have forked Obama.

[Littleshop]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Be serious.  This is not a long form birth certificate.  It's a hack job that someone pieced together from a photocopy with some green checkered background.  There isn't even a notary seal.  I can't believe any state would produce something this sloppy.

It looks a lot more official then mine.  Mine is similar paper, dot matrix printed, with one signature and could be forged with minimal effort.  So what?

We know what hospital he was born in, all of the records match up, and his birth announcement was placed in a local paper. 

Please people, obsess over something real.  There is a lot of bad shit out there, much worse then this, done by politicians on both sides of the isle. 

[cbeast]

Please people, obsess over something real.  There is a lot of bad shit out there, much worse then this, done by politicians on both sides of the isle. 

This. Changing a face will make no difference. Why else would you be in a Bitcoin forum?

[conspirosphere.tk]

Please people, obsess over something real.  There is a lot of bad shit out there, much worse then this, done by politicians on both sides of the isle. 

This. Changing a face will make no difference. Why else would you be in a Bitcoin forum?

Well, a proven illegal alien manchurian son of the CIA uncostitutionally and treasonously acting as POTUS would make a nice case for remembering to water the tree of Liberty, no?

(This obviously does not imply that I think that having mandatorily an alien president of the USA elected by the rest of the world would not be a good idea)

[RodeoX]

This is soooo silly. Believe me, if there was a liberal plot to take over the world, I would be involved. The impulse to fantasize about this kind of thing comes from the same people who see a tiny light in the sky and assume the least likely possibility. It must be aliens!
You guys need to spend more time reading books by smart people and less time watching crap TV written by idiot hacks. You do realize TV is a real conspiracy? A conspiracy to get you to watch commercials.

[jwzguy]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Be serious.  This is not a long form birth certificate.  It's a hack job that someone pieced together from a photocopy with some green checkered background.  There isn't even a notary seal.  I can't believe any state would produce something this sloppy.

It looks a lot more official then mine.  Mine is similar paper, dot matrix printed, with one signature and could be forged with minimal effort.  So what?

We know what hospital he was born in, all of the records match up, and his birth announcement was placed in a local paper. 

Please people, obsess over something real.  There is a lot of bad shit out there, much worse then this, done by politicians on both sides of the isle. 

And when you scan it in, does the scanning software magically separate different text into different layers, as well as separating the "security" paper?

I completely agree that it's pointless to worry about this. Our government is clearly in such an advanced state of corruption that this type of fraud is commonplace. But just because I'm not going to obsess about it doesn't mean I will dismiss evidence pointed out plain as day.

[Red Emerald]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Be serious.  This is not a long form birth certificate.  It's a hack job that someone pieced together from a photocopy with some green checkered background.  There isn't even a notary seal.  I can't believe any state would produce something this sloppy.

It looks a lot more official then mine.  Mine is similar paper, dot matrix printed, with one signature and could be forged with minimal effort.  So what?

We know what hospital he was born in, all of the records match up, and his birth announcement was placed in a local paper. 

Please people, obsess over something real.  There is a lot of bad shit out there, much worse then this, done by politicians on both sides of the isle. 

And when you scan it in, does the scanning software magically separate different text into different layers, as well as separating the "security" paper?

I completely agree that it's pointless to worry about this. Our government is clearly in such an advanced state of corruption that this type of fraud is commonplace. But just because I'm not going to obsess about it doesn't mean I will dismiss evidence pointed out plain as day.

I'm curious.  Has anyone downloaded the PDF and tried this themselves? I don't have acrobat pro available to me and don't know of any freeware that can see the "links".  Photoshop only shows layers and there is just one.  Although the white glow around all the text is there like the video says.

Anyone trashing the video, please watch it first and then you can say that it's just a bunch of conspiracy.

[Hawker]

...snip...
I'm curious.  Has anyone downloaded the PDF and tried this themselves? I don't have acrobat pro available to me and don't know of any freeware that can see the "links".  Photoshop only shows layers and there is just one.  Although the white glow around all the text is there like the video says.

Anyone trashing the video, please watch it first and then you can say that it's just a bunch of conspiracy.

Why bother?

Those that believe Obama is a Kenyan Muslim will not be convinced by anyone who disagrees with them.  That's the nature of conspiracy theories.

[jwzguy]

...snip...
I'm curious.  Has anyone downloaded the PDF and tried this themselves? I don't have acrobat pro available to me and don't know of any freeware that can see the "links".  Photoshop only shows layers and there is just one.  Although the white glow around all the text is there like the video says.

Anyone trashing the video, please watch it first and then you can say that it's just a bunch of conspiracy.

Why bother?

Those that believe Obama is a Kenyan Muslim will not be convinced by anyone who disagrees with them.  That's the nature of conspiracy theories.

Wow.

Red Emerald, yes, I did, even though I initially thought that the birthers were crazy. That may still be true, but the posted document is a joke as far as I can tell. No one has posted a reasonable explanation as to why it looks so obviously forged. Instead we have clearly biased individuals that are so vested in their position that they refuse to look at objective evidence and respond with ad hominem attacks instead.

[Hawker]

...snip...
I'm curious.  Has anyone downloaded the PDF and tried this themselves? I don't have acrobat pro available to me and don't know of any freeware that can see the "links".  Photoshop only shows layers and there is just one.  Although the white glow around all the text is there like the video says.

Anyone trashing the video, please watch it first and then you can say that it's just a bunch of conspiracy.

Why bother?

Those that believe Obama is a Kenyan Muslim will not be convinced by anyone who disagrees with them.  That's the nature of conspiracy theories.

Wow.

Red Emerald, yes, I did, even though I initially thought that the birthers were crazy. That may still be true, but the posted document is a joke as far as I can tell. No one has posted a reasonable explanation as to why it looks so obviously forged. Instead we have clearly biased individuals that are so vested in their position that they refuse to look at objective evidence and respond with ad hominem attacks instead.

Its not ad hominem to point out that something is futile.  Whether its the Kennedy assassination, Roswell, 9/11 truthers, Princess Di assassination nuts or Obama birthers, nothing will ever change their minds.

Its just a waste of time.

EDIT to add classic example from wikipedia: http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/18/1948550611434786.full.pdf+html

The study found that people who believe Osama Bin Laden was captured alive by Americans are likely to also believe that Bin Laden was actually killed prior to the 2011 raid.

[jwzguy]

It absolutely is ad hominem to say that it's pointless to examine someone's evidence because you think there is something wrong with the person rather than the evidence.

It's also ridiculous, because as I've said many times, I would like to see an explanation for this evidence, as it contradicts my earlier view. But you clearly don't have one.

[Hawker]

It absolutely is ad hominem to say that it's pointless to examine someone's evidence because you think there is something wrong with the person rather than the evidence.

It's also ridiculous, because as I've said many times, I would like to see an explanation for this evidence, as it contradicts my earlier view. But you clearly don't have one.

My view is that it doesn't matter.  He passed the eligibility test when he was born in Hawaii.  His birth was advertised in the local newspapers.  Why waste your time fretting over his birth certificate when your mind could be more usefully employed?

[jwzguy]

It absolutely is ad hominem to say that it's pointless to examine someone's evidence because you think there is something wrong with the person rather than the evidence.

It's also ridiculous, because as I've said many times, I would like to see an explanation for this evidence, as it contradicts my earlier view. But you clearly don't have one.

My view is that it doesn't matter.  He passed the eligibility test when he was born in Hawaii.  His birth was advertised in the local newspapers.  Why waste your time fretting over his birth certificate when your mind could be more usefully employed?

Why did you waste your time posting in this thread if you truly feel that way? You took more time posting than I took "fretting."

You're not concerned when the government posts fraudulent documents in order to manipulate public opinion?

[Hawker]

It absolutely is ad hominem to say that it's pointless to examine someone's evidence because you think there is something wrong with the person rather than the evidence.

It's also ridiculous, because as I've said many times, I would like to see an explanation for this evidence, as it contradicts my earlier view. But you clearly don't have one.

My view is that it doesn't matter.  He passed the eligibility test when he was born in Hawaii.  His birth was advertised in the local newspapers.  Why waste your time fretting over his birth certificate when your mind could be more usefully employed?

Why did you waste your time posting in this thread if you truly feel that way? You took more time posting than I took "fretting."

You're not concerned when the government posts fraudulent documents in order to manipulate public opinion?

As I said, Obama passed the eligibility test when he was born in Hawaii.  The quality of the copy of the document is irrelevant.  Lets assume it is fake - who cares?  The important question is whether he is eligible and that isn't disputed.

[jwzguy]

Apparently it IS disputed. And fraud perpetrated by a governing body should be a concern to everyone. I would have thought that was a given. 

[Hawker]

Apparently it IS disputed. And fraud perpetrated by a governing body should be a concern to everyone. I would have thought that was a given. 

It really isn't.  There is a guy at WND that insists people like Obama and Rubio are not "natural born" as they have a parent who was born outside the US.  Its a fair agrument but even he accepts that Obama was born in the US.

There are people who say that, even if he was born in Hawaii, the published document must be a fake.  They take that a step further to say that unless a better document is found, they won't accept that he is eligible.  That's the Sheriff Joe line.  Its a waste of time because the Hawaii says they have a record of his birth and his birth was advertised.  There is no eligibility question.

[jwzguy]

It's hilarious that you keep saying "There is no eligibility question." Clearly with all these people questioning his eligibility, there is a question.

I've never been one of those people, so I don't know the facts. But from your statements alone, your stance seems unsupported: Hawaii "says" they have proof, and the proof provided is forged. An advertisement is only proof that someone thought it was important to make it look like he was born in Hawaii. It's not proof of eligibility.

I completely agree that there are much worse things going on in our government and have never given this issue much attention. But refusing to acknowledge this poor forgery is looking sillier than the birther people ever looked.

[Hawker]

It's hilarious that you keep saying "There is no eligibility question." Clearly with all these people questioning his eligibility, there is a question.

I've never been one of those people, so I don't know the facts. But from your statements alone, your stance seems unsupported: Hawaii "says" they have proof, and the proof provided is forged. An advertisement is only proof that someone thought it was important to make it look like he was born in Hawaii. It's not proof of eligibility.

I completely agree that there are much worse things going on in our government and have never given this issue much attention. But refusing to acknowledge this poor forgery is looking sillier than the birther people ever looked.

Hawaii doesn't have better birth records for anyone else.  And within days of his birth in Kenya, his family said "This little black baby is the ideal Manchurian candidate.  Lets fly to Hawaii and advertise his birth."

When I say there is no eligibility question, I mean there is no-one worth taking seriously. Sure you will find lunatics who insist that he was born in Kenya, that the ad was run by Bilderberg activists and the staff in Hawaii is part of the conspiracy.  Are you sure you want to join them?

[jwzguy]

You're making an unsupported leap there. It's perfectly reasonable that someone having a kid outside the US might want to make sure he's considered a natural born citizen without any plans for him to be president. (P.S. - newspapers accept ads over the phone.)

Anyway - I'm not joining anyone. From the view of a non-vested party, people who dismiss this obvious fraud are being just as silly as any conspiracy theorists.

That's really all I have to contribute. As I've said from the beginning, I was hoping you DID have something which could explain this nonsense.

[Hawker]

You're making an unsupported leap there. It's perfectly reasonable that someone having a kid outside the US might want to make sure he's considered a natural born citizen without any plans for him to be president. (P.S. - newspapers accept ads over the phone.)

Anyway - I'm not joining anyone. From the view of a non-vested party, people who dismiss this obvious fraud are being just as silly as any conspiracy theorists.

That's really all I have to contribute. As I've said from the beginning, I was hoping you DID have something which could explain this nonsense.

So in Kenya in 1960, someone thought a black baby could be a future president.  They advertised his birth over the phone from Kenya to Hawaii.  Then the Hawaiian state recorded his birth over the phone as well.  

Can you not see how stupid that idea is?

[jwzguy]

You're making an unsupported leap there. It's perfectly reasonable that someone having a kid outside the US might want to make sure he's considered a natural born citizen without any plans for him to be president.

[Hawker]

You're making an unsupported leap there. It's perfectly reasonable that someone having a kid outside the US might want to make sure he's considered a natural born citizen without any plans for him to be president.

No that is not reasonable.  The family say a child was born in Hawaii, the local government recorded his birth on the same day and his parents advertised it a few days later. 

Can I prove that he wasn't actually born in Kenya?  No - of course not.  But the same is true for you.  I can't prove you weren't born in Kenya either. 

The question is - does it matter?  If the local government, school photos, passport, and the vetting by press and by the GOP that goes with running for office failed to find any evidence that he was born outside the US, why would you or I worry about it ?

[Red Emerald]

You're making an unsupported leap there. It's perfectly reasonable that someone having a kid outside the US might want to make sure he's considered a natural born citizen without any plans for him to be president.

No that is not reasonable.  The family say a child was born in Hawaii, the local government recorded his birth on the same day and his parents advertised it a few days later. 

Can I prove that he wasn't actually born in Kenya?  No - of course not.  But the same is true for you.  I can't prove you weren't born in Kenya either. 

The question is - does it matter?  If the local government, school photos, passport, and the vetting by press and by the GOP that goes with running for office failed to find any evidence that he was born outside the US, why would you or I worry about it ?

Have you watched the video? Until you do, I'm not responding to you or your stubbornness.

[Hawker]

...snip...
Have you watched the video? Until you do, I'm not responding to you or your stubbornness.

No and I won't.  Life is too short to waste on content free videos.  If he found something, he would have it in writing and Obama would be gone. 

[Red Emerald]

...snip...
Have you watched the video? Until you do, I'm not responding to you or your stubbornness.

No and I won't.  Life is too short to waste on content free videos.  If he found something, he would have it in writing and Obama would be gone. 

I'm disappointed that is your outlook... You CAN'T know it is content free without watching it. But whatever, be willfully ignorant of the evidence. I'm moving on now.

[Hawker]

...snip...
Have you watched the video? Until you do, I'm not responding to you or your stubbornness.

No and I won't.  Life is too short to waste on content free videos.  If he found something, he would have it in writing and Obama would be gone. 

I'm disappointed that is your outlook... You CAN'T know it is content free without watching it. But whatever, be willfully ignorant of the evidence. I'm moving on now.

Actually you can.  If a press conference took place over a week ago and there is no news of content, it means that no content has been found. 

The alternative is to watch videos of every press conference that failed to get reported because it lacked content in the hope that a dreadful mistake has been made and this time there was something worth wasting an hour of your life.

There are not enough hours in the day for that...

[jwzguy]

LOL, how hilarious can you get? The press conference was the "news of content." How many faceplants are you going to make in a single thread? You're making the birthers' arguments better than any of them possibly could. 

[Red Emerald]

...snip...
Have you watched the video? Until you do, I'm not responding to you or your stubbornness.

No and I won't.  Life is too short to waste on content free videos.  If he found something, he would have it in writing and Obama would be gone. 

I'm disappointed that is your outlook... You CAN'T know it is content free without watching it. But whatever, be willfully ignorant of the evidence. I'm moving on now.

Actually you can.  If a press conference took place over a week ago and there is no news of content, it means that no content has been found. 

The alternative is to watch videos of every press conference that failed to get reported because it lacked content in the hope that a dreadful mistake has been made and this time there was something worth wasting an hour of your life.

There are not enough hours in the day for that...

Except I watched this one and am saying that there IS content that deserves more investigation. I asked if anyone opened the file in acrobat and then you come in and say its all conspiracy bullshit.

The media only covers stuff that matters? That's why there's so much crap on about celebrities. There's no content there and that shit is prime time

[Hawker]

Obama's birth certificate say he was born in Hawaii and, in the absence of proof he was born somewhere else, what's the point in examining the "evidence" or watching videos where 'The press conference was the "news of content."'

Unless there is positive evidence that he was born outside the US, there is no story here.

[benjamindees]

Hawker has spent more time trolling this thread than it would have taken to watch the press conference, hasn't he?

[Red Emerald]

Obama's birth certificate say he was born in Hawaii and, in the absence of proof he was born somewhere else, what's the point in examining the "evidence" or watching videos where 'The press conference was the "news of content."'

Unless there is positive evidence that he was born outside the US, there is no story here.

There is evidence he wasn't born in Hawaii, but you REFUSE to look at it.

Watch the damn video. It shows the certificate is an electronic forgery and NOT a scan like it should be. The video does not say he Muslim or born on Kenya or any of the other things that you have said to distract from the actual topic

[Hawker]

Obama's birth certificate say he was born in Hawaii and, in the absence of proof he was born somewhere else, what's the point in examining the "evidence" or watching videos where 'The press conference was the "news of content."'

Unless there is positive evidence that he was born outside the US, there is no story here.

There is evidence he wasn't born in Hawaii, but you REFUSE to look at it.

Watch the damn video. It shows the certificate is an electronic forgery and NOT a scan like it should be. The video does not say he Muslim or born on Kenya or any of the other things that you have said to distract from the actual topic

You are missing the point.  There is no Kenyan or other non-US birth certificate. 

If there is something in the video, point to a news story with it in it and I'll read it.  All I have seen is that he hasn't found a thing and is fussing over the quality of the image.  Since it doesn't matter whether or not that document is a fake, why waste time on it?

[zer0]

Infamous troll sheriff Joe Arpaio hasn't had time to update his seekrit African president evidence because he's about to be thrown out of the public trust for corruption, intimidation and general insanity charges.

[vampire]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-to-Zebest


Blah.

[benjamindees]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

So I guess there's a perfectly good reason why Snopes would have cropped the document posted on whitehouse.gov ?  They wouldn't have any motivation to hide the fact that the security paper background is obviously not original and exists as a separate layer?

Go ahead and compare them.  The evidence is right there, plain as day.

[vampire]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

So I guess there's a perfectly good reason why Snopes would have cropped the document posted on whitehouse.gov ?  They wouldn't have any motivation to hide the fact that the security paper background is obviously not original and exists as a separate layer?

Go ahead and compare them.  The evidence is right there, plain as day.

Do you even can read? Why don't you just read what does it say near the bottom. Duh, it's a copy that was certified by state.

They scanned it, printed it and signed it.

[Red Emerald]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

So I guess there's a perfectly good reason why Snopes would have cropped the document posted on whitehouse.gov ?  They wouldn't have any motivation to hide the fact that the security paper background is obviously not original and exists as a separate layer?

Go ahead and compare them.  The evidence is right there, plain as day.

Do you even can read? Why don't you just read what does it say near the bottom. Duh, it's a copy that was certified by state.

They scanned it, printed it and signed it.

You haven't watched the video either have you...

[zionist shill]

Do you even can read? Why don't you just read what does it say near the bottom. Duh, it's a copy that was certified by state.

They scanned it, printed it and signed it.

Can you people now understand why elites think of you as useless eaters and useful idiots.

You haven't watched the video either have you...

no he has not.

[Hawker]

...snip...

no he has not.

And won't.  Its content free - if he had found something, it would be on record somewhere by now.  Spending an hour on a content free video is futile.

[Hawker]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

So I guess there's a perfectly good reason why Snopes would have cropped the document posted on whitehouse.gov ?  They wouldn't have any motivation to hide the fact that the security paper background is obviously not original and exists as a separate layer?

Go ahead and compare them.  The evidence is right there, plain as day.

Oh wow.  You are adding the researchers at snopes to the list of conspiracy members. 

No doubt after he leaves office, Obama will give them billions of dollars reward for enabling him to....to...well, to do what?  Assuming health care is struck down, he is a big zero.  Hardly something worth a conspiracy that stated in 1960 is it?

[benjamindees]

Having a partisan bent doesn't make you a conspirator.  I'm just saying their "debunking" is not very objective if they don't post the original version of his purported birth certificate, and instead post this cropped version.  It looks like they either didn't do very thorough research, or they are hiding something.

[Red Emerald]

Having a partisan bent doesn't make you a conspirator.  I'm just saying their "debunking" is not very objective if they don't post the original version of his purported birth certificate, and instead post this cropped version.  It looks like they either didn't do very thorough research, or they are hiding something.

Well lets do it ourselves. Someone has to have a copy of acrobat pro.

[vampire]

Having a partisan bent doesn't make you a conspirator.  I'm just saying their "debunking" is not very objective if they don't post the original version of his purported birth certificate, and instead post this cropped version.  It looks like they either didn't do very thorough research, or they are hiding something.

Uh.. I think I said that 3 times now... But I'll repeat for really slow learners:

Step 1: Digitize the birth certificate
Step 2: Print it on the green paper
Step 3: Notarize it
Step 4: Digitize it again and post as the PDF.
Step 5: Uh PROFIT!

Tell me which part of the process are you confused with?

[JusticeForYou]

A Birther argument here. Wow.

You know what I find interesting. The POTUS keeps his Step-Grandma in a shack in Kenya. So much for distributing the wealth.

[benjamindees]

You missed:

Step 4.5: Crop out all evidence that the security paper is not original

[vampire]

You missed:

Step 4.5: Crop out all evidence that the security paper is not original

OMG?! Uh Do you even understand that it's a copy? Of course it isn't the original, genius. They printed the scanned image on the security paper..


Obama provided copies of his birth certificate.... Uh....

[Hawker]

You missed:

Step 4.5: Crop out all evidence that the security paper is not original

lol.  Just lol.

[Rassah]

I'm going to start a new conspiracy theory, and claim that, even though Obama is a legitimate US citizen, his group created a fake looking birth certificate on purpose, to distract the more fringe, er, I mean more scrutinizing citizens from something more sinister. Let them spend hours fretting over his fake looking birth certificate, while they institute a OneWolrdGovernment/AlienInvasion/LizardMen/MindControl policy.

[Littleshop]

I'm going to start a new conspiracy theory, and claim that, even though Obama is a legitimate US citizen, his group created a fake looking birth certificate on purpose, to distract the more fringe, er, I mean more scrutinizing citizens from something more sinister. Let them spend hours fretting over his fake looking birth certificate, while they institute a OneWolrdGovernment/AlienInvasion/LizardMen/MindControl policy.

+1

[Hawker]

I'm going to start a new conspiracy theory, and claim that, even though Obama is a legitimate US citizen, his group created a fake looking birth certificate on purpose, to distract the more fringe, er, I mean more scrutinizing citizens from something more sinister. Let them spend hours fretting over his fake looking birth certificate, while they institute a OneWolrdGovernment/AlienInvasion/LizardMen/MindControl policy.

So the correct answer when some nutter says "Its a fake, I've spent 7 weeks examining the layers in Photoshop and its definitely a fake." is to say "That's exactly what they want you to think."

I love it.

[conspirosphere.tk]

I'm going to start a new conspiracy theory, and claim that, even though Obama is a legitimate US citizen, his group created a fake looking birth certificate on purpose, to distract the more fringe, er, I mean more scrutinizing citizens from something more sinister. Let them spend hours fretting over his fake looking birth certificate, while they institute a OneWolrdGovernment/AlienInvasion/LizardMen/MindControl policy.

So the correct answer when some nutter says "Its a fake, I've spent 7 weeks examining the layers in Photoshop and its definitely a fake." is to say "That's exactly what they want you to think."

I love it.

Yes. That is the most plausible plot of a so failing conspiracy:
Is the Manchurian Alien Son of the CIA a Designed Scapegoat?
http://webabuser.blogspot.it/2012/03/is-manchurian-alien-son-of-cia-designed.html

Alternatively, they are hiding this:
Hmm, An Interesting Thesis, Indeed! Is Obama Really Mind-Controlled Twins?
http://webabuser.blogspot.it/2011/10/hmm-interesting-thesis-indeed-is-obama.html

Or this:
Obama Major Brain Surgery? An Obot? Massive Head Scars
http://webabuser.blogspot.it/2011/04/obama-major-brain-surgery-obot-massive.html

Related:
A birth certificate fake as a 3$ bill from the alien manchurian son of the CIA
http://webabuser.blogspot.it/2011/04/birth-certificate-fake-as-3-bill-for.html

[benjamindees]

Zombie Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z91bg9BghaE

Derren Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIhANxh7t_Q

[Bitcoin Oz]

Obamas birth certificate has more layers than a chook farm

[cbeast]

That whole "layers" argument is ridiculous. You can make anything look like a composite image. In fact, this is common practice in making animations from stills.

[Hawker]

Obamas birth certificate has more layers than a chook farm

That's exactly what they want you to think.

[Red Emerald]

That whole "layers" argument is ridiculous. You can make anything look like a composite image. In fact, this is common practice in making animations from stills.

A scanner is going to make a bunch of links, not layers. There is only one layer. I haven't heard of links, but that is what he called them in the video.  There are not enough links to back up the claim that this image is not an electronic forgery (or so the video claims).  Some of the links shown in the video have just a date in them while another has the entire security paper background.  THIS IS NOT HOW SCANNERS WORK; THIS IS HOW FORGERS WORK.

I don't understand why you are talking about animation.

Someone has to be able to independently verify this.  Does no one have Acrobat Pro Illustrator?!

[Hawker]

That whole "layers" argument is ridiculous. You can make anything look like a composite image. In fact, this is common practice in making animations from stills.

A scanner is going to make a bunch of links (not layers. There is only one layer. I haven't heard of links, but that is what he called them in the video).  There are not enough links to back up the claim that this image is not an electronic forgery (or so the video claims).  Some of the links shown in the video have just a date in them while another has the entire security paper background.  THIS IS NOT HOW SCANNERS WORK; THIS IS HOW FORGERS WORK.

I don't understand why you are talking about animation.

Someone has to be able to independently verify this.  Does no one have Acrobat Pro?!

Its been done over a year ago by Donald Trump.  His guys examined it and he changed his mind and said it was genuine.

Which is a shame really.  Obama wants you to believe its a fake and spend all your time on that instead of worrying your pretty little head over stuff like the economy.

[jwzguy]

Ignore this Hawker, since you are proud of being ignorant.

9 days ago, Obama's lawyers admitted in court that the birth certificate posted on the whitehouse website was a fake. The judge upheld the position presented by the "crazy birther teapartiers" who want the constitution to be followed.

Here's the judge's decision (don't look Hawker! You'll be scarred for life!)
http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d/89431332-Final-Decision-of-SOS-in-Purpura-Moran-Ballot-Objection-4-12-12

And here are stories with more details, which I'm sure will never be reported by the MSM.
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150813560905801_22858408_10150815481950801#f2d58f4d41ea61
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/


Regardless of whether Obama is eligible to be president, and whether it's an important issue to anyone personally, it seems pretty crazy to refuse to look at both sides of an argument. Especially if you're going to argue one of those sides.  

[vampire]

9 days ago, Obama's lawyers admitted in court that the birth certificate posted on the whitehouse website was a fake. The judge upheld the position presented by the "crazy birther teapartiers" who want the constitution to be followed.

Here's the judge's decision (don't look Hawker! You'll be scarred for life!)
http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d/89431332-Final-Decision-of-SOS-in-Purpura-Moran-Ballot-Objection-4-12-12

What? Are you for real? Did you read it?

Also the lawyer said "We do not believe the president’s birth certificate is relevant to this case." The judge agreed. The case was dismissed.

[jwzguy]

What I'm referring to is that part that the respondents evidence, including the longform birth certificate, were deemed not authentic.

Again, this won't matter in the long run. But anyone who is refusing to look at that fraudulent garbage they posted on the whitehouse website once it's been pointed out that it's fake is just being silly. If you don't care about the argument then don't comment on it.

[vampire]

What I'm referring to is that part that the respondents evidence, including the longform birth certificate, were deemed not authentic.

Again, this won't matter in the long run. But anyone who is refusing to look at that fraudulent garbage they posted on the whitehouse website once it's been pointed out that it's fake is just being silly. If you don't care about the argument then don't comment on it.

The Obama lawyer didn't provide any evidence. It was irrelevant.

Birther bites the dust, yay.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/04/birther-bites-dust/

The decision of the court, that was reaffirmed in the doc that you quoted: http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d/88910250-Purpura-Moran-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin


Here is what the judge said:

It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here; the subject has been thoroughly reviewed and no new legal argument on this issue has been offered here.

[Hawker]

What I'm referring to is that part that the respondents evidence, including the longform birth certificate, were deemed not authentic.

Again, this won't matter in the long run. But anyone who is refusing to look at that fraudulent garbage they posted on the whitehouse website once it's been pointed out that it's fake is just being silly. If you don't care about the argument then don't comment on it.

Agreed.  Its best find something else to criticise Obama for.  One could look at his kowtowing to Wall Street or is that just too boring?

[JusticeForYou]

What I'm referring to is that part that the respondents evidence, including the longform birth certificate, were deemed not authentic.

Again, this won't matter in the long run. But anyone who is refusing to look at that fraudulent garbage they posted on the whitehouse website once it's been pointed out that it's fake is just being silly. If you don't care about the argument then don't comment on it.

The Obama lawyer didn't provide any evidence. It was irrelevant.

Birther bites the dust, yay.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/04/birther-bites-dust/

The decision of the court, that was reaffirmed in the doc that you quoted: http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d/88910250-Purpura-Moran-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin


Here is what the judge said:

It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here; the subject has been thoroughly reviewed and no new legal argument on this issue has been offered here.

Adam and James have something to input here:

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-square-wheels-angle-2.html

[Red Emerald]

So I actually watched the videos on Snope. He goes through almost all of the layers in Illustrator and actually explains what people mean by optimization.

The only thing he didn't show was the stamp layer being the entire stamp and easy to drag around.

[check_status]

If this is Obama's real birth certificate then Obama should have no difficulty stating when his birthday is. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't seem to know himself when his birthday is. Is Obama 48, 50, or 52 years old? Don't ask Obama because he already publicly gave three different ages. The truth is easy to remember, lies are not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wF_n-gn-Yo

If Obama is removed for ineligibility, any laws he signed are null and void. If he is impeached for illegal actions, like declaring war without asking congress for permission, then the laws he signed remain. Of the two methods of getting rid of Obama, I prefer the former, giving us an opportunity to undo any damage created by laws he signed.

[Hawker]

If this is Obama's real birth certificate then Obama should have no difficulty stating when his birthday is. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't seem to know himself when his birthday is. Is Obama 48, 50, or 52 years old? Don't ask Obama because he already publicly gave three different ages. The truth is easy to remember, lies are not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wF_n-gn-Yo

If Obama is removed for ineligibility, any laws he signed are null and void. If he is impeached for illegal actions, like declaring war without asking congress for permission, then the laws he signed remain. Of the two methods of getting rid of Obama, I prefer the former, giving us an opportunity to undo any damage created by laws he signed.

He also failed to remember how many states there are which proves the USA doesn't exist as well. 

/sarcasm

[player3]

How many of you actually research and investigate candidates, their writings, speeches, and voting records prior to forming an opinion or voting ?

good question! make a poll 

[bb113]

If this is Obama's real birth certificate then Obama should have no difficulty stating when his birthday is. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't seem to know himself when his birthday is. Is Obama 48, 50, or 52 years old? Don't ask Obama because he already publicly gave three different ages. The truth is easy to remember, lies are not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wF_n-gn-Yo

If Obama is removed for ineligibility, any laws he signed are null and void. If he is impeached for illegal actions, like declaring war without asking congress for permission, then the laws he signed remain. Of the two methods of getting rid of Obama, I prefer the former, giving us an opportunity to undo any damage created by laws he signed.

He also failed to remember how many states there are which proves the USA doesn't exist as well. 

/sarcasm

I was in DC recently looking at the flag flying over the capitol building, thinking that the only 51st state would be the moon or a space station. There is no way at this point  congress is going to make everyone redo their flags for puerto rico or the dominican republic or some occupied middle east country. After seeing that flag, I see a way.

[benjamindees]

bump 

[benjamindees]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii

http://www.infowars.com/andrew-breitbart-dead-at-43-was-to-release-explosive-tapes-featuring-obama/

Andrew Breitbart dies on the first day the NDAA's citizen murder provisions take effect.

http://www.crimefilenews.com/2012/03/eyewitness-speaks-out-about-andrew.html

Witness to Breitbart death describes his skin as "bright red."

http://rt.com/usa/news/coroner-arsenic-death-breitbart-456/

LA County coroner dies of apparent arsenic poisoning the day Breitbart's toxicology results are announced.

[Red Emerald]

I was in DC recently looking at the flag flying over the capitol building, thinking that the only 51st state would be the moon or a space station. There is no way at this point  congress is going to make everyone redo their flags for puerto rico or the dominican republic or some occupied middle east country. After seeing that flag, I see a way.

So rather than replace all of our flags, we will have to replace all of our flag poles?  That looks cool as a pin, but I don't see how it would work well on a real flag pole.

[Hawker]

...snip...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii

http://www.infowars.com/andrew-breitbart-dead-at-43-was-to-release-explosive-tapes-featuring-obama/

Andrew Breitbart dies on the first day the NDAA's citizen murder provisions take effect.

http://www.crimefilenews.com/2012/03/eyewitness-speaks-out-about-andrew.html

Witness to Breitbart death describes his skin as "bright red."

http://rt.com/usa/news/coroner-arsenic-death-breitbart-456/

LA County coroner dies of apparent arsenic poisoning the day Breitbart's toxicology results are announced.

Do remember that the conspiracy was hatched back in 1960.  Surely killing whoever wrote that article would have been the essential first step?

[benjamindees]

Hawker, you've added nothing to this thread but troll posts.

You "snipped" out the published evidence of the man himself claiming to have been born in Kenya.

You're not even an American.  What makes you think we care about your opinion?

[Hawker]

Hawker, you've added nothing to this thread but troll posts.

You "snipped" out the published evidence of the man himself claiming to have been born in Kenya.

You're not even an American.  What makes you think we care about your opinion?

Pointing out that something is silly is not trolling.  And be honest, the whole birther thing is silly.

[benjamindees]

Pointing out that something is silly is not trolling.  And be honest, the whole birther thing is silly.

Yes, the entire US government is silly.  That's why we're discussing it.

[Hawker]

Pointing out that something is silly is not trolling.  And be honest, the whole birther thing is silly.

Yes, the entire US government is silly.  That's why we're discussing it.

The entire US government says the birther thing and the truther thing are both nonsense.  For whatever reason, birthers and truthers can't change their minds but its very good for them to be reminded that the rest of the world regards them as misguided and confused.

[conspirosphere.tk]

From the last 2 days news:

Born in Kenya’: Obama’s Literary Agent Misidentified His Birthplace in 1991 (ABC News)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/vnNoq2C3AlY/

Michelle Obama On Record: Barack Obama’s Home Country Is KENYA!!! (Video)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/oaj0Fak-TyA/

New Report Of Obama’s Birth In Kenya (The Hill)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/tO7fW7_tnw0/

The Vetting – Exclusive – Obama’s Literary Agent In 1991 Booklet: ‘Born In Kenya And Raised In Indonesia And Hawaii’ (Breitbart)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/_fhpMxOqufQ/

Obama Born in Kenya -in 1991 we got it wrong - OOPS we got it wrong in 2003 - OOPS we got it wrong again in 2007
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/05/obama-born-in-kenya-in-1991-we-got-it.html

It's Time For Obots To Evolve And Admit That Obama Was Born In Kenya
http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-time-for-obamabots-to-evolve-and.html

Oops! Text Editor Rushes Out Apology for Kenya ‘Mistake’ in Obama’s Bio
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-obamas-pr-team-rushes-out-publicists-apology-for-mistake-in-bio/

Official Bio Said Obama Kenyan Born UP UNTIL April 2007 When Campaign Began
http://www.infowars.com/official-bio-said-obama-kenyan-born-up-until-april-2007-when-campaign-began/

[vampire]

Blah blah blah blah


NY times from 1990: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

[Littleshop]

From the last 2 days news:

Born in Kenya’: Obama’s Literary Agent Misidentified His Birthplace in 1991 (ABC News)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/vnNoq2C3AlY/

Michelle Obama On Record: Barack Obama’s Home Country Is KENYA!!! (Video)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/oaj0Fak-TyA/

New Report Of Obama’s Birth In Kenya (The Hill)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/tO7fW7_tnw0/

The Vetting – Exclusive – Obama’s Literary Agent In 1991 Booklet: ‘Born In Kenya And Raised In Indonesia And Hawaii’ (Breitbart)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Intelwar/~3/_fhpMxOqufQ/

Obama Born in Kenya -in 1991 we got it wrong - OOPS we got it wrong in 2003 - OOPS we got it wrong again in 2007
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/05/obama-born-in-kenya-in-1991-we-got-it.html

It's Time For Obots To Evolve And Admit That Obama Was Born In Kenya
http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-time-for-obamabots-to-evolve-and.html

Oops! Text Editor Rushes Out Apology for Kenya ‘Mistake’ in Obama’s Bio
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-obamas-pr-team-rushes-out-publicists-apology-for-mistake-in-bio/

Official Bio Said Obama Kenyan Born UP UNTIL April 2007 When Campaign Began
http://www.infowars.com/official-bio-said-obama-kenyan-born-up-until-april-2007-when-campaign-began/

The problem with 'birthers' is they constantly ignore facts and come up with little snippets of things that are NOT FACTS and call them facts.  As they say, you are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. 

In the above links, hearsay is presented as fact. 

Besides the REAL birth cert, the living witneses, there were printed birth announcements in TWO local papers.  From wiki:

"In 1961, birth notices for Barack Obama were published in both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on August 13 and August 14, 1961, respectively, listing the home address of Obama's parents as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu.[7][13] On November 9, 2008, in response to the persistent rumors, the Advertiser posted on its web site a screenshot of the announcement taken from its microfilmed archives. Such notices were sent to newspapers routinely by the Hawaii Department of Health.[13]

In an editorial published on July 29, 2009, the Star-Bulletin pointed out that both newspapers' vital-statistics columns are available on microfilm in the main state library. "Were the state Department of Health and Obama's parents really in cahoots to give false information to the newspapers, perhaps intending to clear the way for the baby to someday be elected president of the United States?" the newspaper asked.[78]"