[DSH] Dashcoin (Cryptonote, automated source)

[etoque]

This is going to now open a huge can of worms in the DRK community...

Lol nothing.

If we have buy it,we can kill it,thats it,its crypto,a still wild far west,anyways,this coin goes no where. or

- Lets take over by the community,but you can't evidently take dashcoin for rebrand

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[arielbit]

This is going to now open a huge can of worms in the DRK community...

Lol nothing.

If we have buy it,we can kill it,thats it,its crypto,a still wild far west,anyways,this coin goes no where. or

- Lets take over by the community,but you can't evidently take dashcoin for rebrand

your wild west analogy, does not apply here...to the community

what if somebody offers 50 million $ to evan and said fuck off with your darkcoin shit, and he left..what you and the community gonna do?

edit: this dashcoin debacle is shaking the very roots of crypto currency. bitcoin, litecoin even darkcoin..you should have known better.

[ArticMine]

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edit: this dashcoin debacle is shaking the very roots of crypto currency. bitcoin, litecoin even darkcoin..you should have known better.

This is very true. The precedent being set here is far reaching.

[etoque]

You both come from monero thread cmon  

You Just do a big drama , lol. Shaking the whole crypto... And don't redirect me to your dumb ass thread on speculation section  

[nachoig]

This thread is so inactive now  
Does Dev abandon this coin??  

Obviously the answer to that question is no since the developer posted in early February, as I quoted earlier.

A small community project that is being worked on part time doesn't mean "abandoned" or "dead." Not every coin is a major project like BTC or DRK or XMR.

You seem pretty arrogant about this.

Dev is online now, let's see if there will be a statement...

[arielbit]

You both come from monero thread cmon  

You Just do a big drama , lol. Shaking the whole crypto... And don't redirect me to your dumb ass thread on speculation section  

well...been here since july, 2014

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678232.msg7778898#msg7778898

anyway, anybody can say what they want..specially if they have a point like arcticmine

@nachoig seen that online green stuff a couple of days already...still nothing

[smooth]

This thread is so inactive now  
Does Dev abandon this coin??  

Obviously the answer to that question is no since the developer posted in early February, as I quoted earlier.

A small community project that is being worked on part time doesn't mean "abandoned" or "dead." Not every coin is a major project like BTC or DRK or XMR.

You seem pretty arrogant about this.

Dev is online now, let's see if there will be a statement...

Was the account turned over as part of the deal? How would you ever know either way?

[arielbit]

interesting..
dark propaganda are claiming dashcoin is dead

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/official-statement-on-rebranding-to-dash.4297/page-13#post-46922

Sorry this isn't really written as a presentation, but it's basically everything I know:

Once upon a time, a young developer named Evan Duffield decided to create a cryptographic coin. He came to the conclusion that someone needed to make a new coin to protect privacy because it had recently been realized that Bitcoin was only pseudo-private, and that the developers and foundation for Bitcoin had no intentions of fixing this. So he realized that to start a new coin, he would need a slow build up of hashing from many people. He knew that ASICS which had just started shipping a month or two before, were going to make it very difficult to attract miners if he were to compete with all the other sha-256 algorithmic coins. At the same time, he realized, as well as many others, that a lot of equipment, such as cpu and gpu power had just been rendered obsolete. Just as Litecoin before, Evan decided to create a new hashing algorithm.

Before Evan created X11, a multi algorithmic chain for hashing, which combined 11 algortithms in a chain, another developer created a similar hash of 5 or 5 algorithms. I forgot it’s name. So the idea was there, but Evan thought adding all the algorithms he knew of into a chain would slow down the development of ASICS that much longer. Because he called his grouped algorithm X-11, he decided to call his coin XCOIN.

Soon it was realized that there was a site called xcoin.com which had just closed down. It was a scam site that stole coins from people. Since the community didn’t want to be associated with these people, they voted to name our coin Darkcoin. All was well until we began getting complaints that the name Darkcoin sounded like the coin was made for nefarious purposes. The community tried and tried to explain that the name was 1. A play against the #2 coin, Litecoin, and 2. the saying “keep ‘em in the dark” which means don’t tell anyone, it’s a secret. Even so, some of the community decided it would be best for Darkcoin to concentrate on the “underworld” and “dark markets” etc… Unfortunately, Evan never wanted to create a coin meant for the dark markets, he wanted to create something closer to cash, something that protected people’s right to privacy. Although Evan has been against a name change for most of this first year of Darkcoin's life, he finally realized that it was not just a few people who have been approached about working with Darkcoin (Merchants, investors, etc…) but pretty much all of them. Even those that accepted DRK at their stores, such as BigCanadar, complained that customers just laughed at the thought of a coin named Darkcoin, and never became interested enough to inquire further about it. So this past week, it seems Evan has changed his mind. But why so abruptly?

As it happened, the last time the community was arguing over the name, the tide seemed to have swung in the direction of a name change. However, as you can see by this past week, we were at each other’s throats, yelling and screaming and designing and coming up with names, etc… In all that chaos, someone had mentioned Dashcoin because InstantX had just been invented. Most of the community rallied behind that name, and so apparently, Evan made a note of it. But to us, he wanted to stop all the arguments, so he said that there would be no name change, which I'm sure he meant. That was that, and the community settled back into it’s normal banter.

So apparently since then, Evan and the foundation members, of which I am not one, have been discussing the need for a new name. They also concluded Dash may be the best alternative, especially if we want to keep the logo that was incredibly difficult to get consensus on as well. But there were complications. There was already a dashcoin. So they had to figure out if the idea could even take hold. I believe we have a European and an American Lawyer in the Darkcoin Foundation, and they have been clearing the way for the right to use the name, DASH. But why did Evan drop this “bomb” on us so abruptly?

It was due to a silly little mistake. Evan had made a deal with the old “Dashcoin” developer (who had abandoned the project a while back). I don’t know what the deal was, but the Dashcoin developer gave Evan the “keys” to the old Dashcoin account on github. Evan simply closed it down, or “locked the door”. The coin could still be forked, it could continue as a fork, but it would be a new project if it were forked.
And while “inside” that Dashcoin account at github, Evan commented on the Darkcoin github thread. By doing so, he posted as the Dashcoin Developer, and it was obvious it was Evan. Anyone could see what happened so there were a lot of questions. Why was Evan in possession of a Dashcoin Developer account?

So to clarify everything to everyone, he decided to announce that the foundation was planning on changing the name of Darkcoin, and because Dashcoin was a favorite a few months ago, they were looking into the feasibility of acquiring the name Dashcoin. I believe, but am not sure, that the trademark “dash” for a coin was not being pursued by the Dashcoin that Evan acquired but is the name another company is attempting to trademark, and in such a way that Darkcoin would want it used. (There are many trademarks for Dash, just not as a currency or payment system, at least not at this time).
So, the lawyers are saying it looks like we can trademark the name DASH, and that there isn’t much the old dash community can do about their abandoned coin, not legally. They can fork it and make it a new project, but the old name goes with the old project, which is dead and the Darkcoin Foundation is in the process of trademarking the name.

The rest is just everyone arguing.

edit: anytime soon evan must be planning to lock this thread.

[illodin]

What is the coin's "community"?

Is it anyone who holds x amount of the coin?
Is it anyone who has ever hold any amount of the coin?
Is it anyone who has posted x number of posts in the coin's ANN thread?
Is it anyone who has ever posted anything in the ANN thread?
Is it anyone and everyone in the world who decides to say they are?

Or is it the official dev (team)?

[papa_lazzarou]

What is the coin's "community"?

Is it anyone who holds x amount of the coin?
Is it anyone who has ever hold any amount of the coin?
Is it anyone who has posted x number of posts in the coin's ANN thread?
Is it anyone who has ever posted anything in the ANN thread?
Is it anyone and everyone in the world who decides to say they are?

Or is it the official dev (team)?

Are you trying to tell us that DARK devs own DARKCOIN? the coin?

Edited to more clearly state what i meant.

[shaan.is.one]

DSH super progressive coin.. How to get this coin. ?

[gjhiggins]

What is the coin's "community"?

Is it anyone who holds x amount of the coin?
Is it anyone who has ever hold any amount of the coin?
Is it anyone who has posted x number of posts in the coin's ANN thread?
Is it anyone who has ever posted anything in the ANN thread?
Is it anyone and everyone in the world who decides to say they are?

Or is it the official dev (team)?

Try defining “official” in a p2p context. The adjective could be replaced by “farm fresh” with no loss of meaning.

At core, it's a rights grab by an informal group of individuals acting in concert. I'm paying close attention to who controls the money to pay for the lawyers because it's that person/group who is in the driving seat.

Bald summary: the message from Darkcoin is “you don't actually own what we want so we're taking legal action to reserve it for our exclusive future use” and it's unsurprising that people are starting to speculate on the possible efficacy and ramifications of this business tactic.

For me, any exploration of this issue has to start with the question: who has title over the rights?.

Engaged / invested in an altcoin with significant marketcap / perceived value? My advice is to start casting around for appropriate organisational templates to drive the creation of a Foundation (or some other collectively-owned entity with a recognised legal status and process) in which you can vest the ownership of the core rights (code, online and offline resources, etc) and which can hire professionals to advance its objectives as and when they are needed.

Cheers

Graham

[nachoig]

This thread is so inactive now  
Does Dev abandon this coin??  

Obviously the answer to that question is no since the developer posted in early February, as I quoted earlier.

A small community project that is being worked on part time doesn't mean "abandoned" or "dead." Not every coin is a major project like BTC or DRK or XMR.

You seem pretty arrogant about this.

Dev is online now, let's see if there will be a statement...

Was the account turned over as part of the deal? How would you ever know either way?

Yeah, it's possible, and it wouldn't surprise me considering this coin probably was launched by a CryptoNote scammer.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

Anyway, the question bringed in this topic is really interesting: who owns the name of a coin?

An analogy: there are a lot of countries which use the same name for their soreveign currencies, like the dollar and the peso.

[AdamWhite]

As this is a decentralized project (unlike darkcoin) slb or any other developer is not in a position to "sell" the rights to the project or "be bought out" or any other such nonsense . Evan donated his money, plain & simple. Dashcoin will continue, Evan doesn't own anything here.

F off darkcoin fanboys, you're polluting this thread

[arielbit]

apparently dashcoin was bought by evan

He didn't buy mine.

+1

evan purchased dashcoin from slb to acquire dashcoin dev accounts and basically remove the developer of dashcoin. leaving the community without a dev would encourage the death of dashcoin. this is a dirty tactic from evan the darkcoin developer to steal the name dashcoin.

edit: well evan i won't be contributing to your murder of my dashcoin. your darkcoin won't get far having blood on its hands.

[smooth]

apparently dashcoin was bought by evan

He didn't buy mine.

+1

evan purchased dashcoin from slb to acquire dashcoin dev accounts and basically remove the developer of dashcoin. leaving the community without a dev would and encourage the death of dashcoin. this is a dirty tactic from evan the darkcoin developer to steal the name dashcoin.

Its probably a bit more complicated than that. In order to have trademark rights you have to be using the mark in commerce. To oppose the registration by someone else he has to say that he has a "product" called dashcoin and the attempted registration interferes with his use of the term dashcoin for his product.

Now given that he's said dashcoin is abandoned, I don't know how that factors into this. Dashcoin community members might consider respectfully reaching out to the company (a startup I believe)  that is attempting to register dash as a trademark (the one Evan is opposing) and work with them.

[arielbit]

apparently dashcoin was bought by evan

He didn't buy mine.

+1

evan purchased dashcoin from slb to acquire dashcoin dev accounts and basically remove the developer of dashcoin. leaving the community without a dev would and encourage the death of dashcoin. this is a dirty tactic from evan the darkcoin developer to steal the name dashcoin.

Its probably a bit more complicated than that. In order to have trademark rights you have to be using the mark in commerce. To oppose the registration by someone else he has to say that he has a "product" called dashcoin and the attempted registration interferes with his use of the term dashcoin for his product.

Now given that he's said dashcoin is abandoned, I don't know how that factors into this. Dashcoin community members might consider respectfully reaching out to the company (a startup I believe)  that is attempting to register dash as a trademark (the one Evan is opposing) and work with them.

does having a market at poloniex count as commerce? people are buying and selling them..

any link to the company you are referring? i would like to take a look at it.

[smooth]

apparently dashcoin was bought by evan

He didn't buy mine.

+1

evan purchased dashcoin from slb to acquire dashcoin dev accounts and basically remove the developer of dashcoin. leaving the community without a dev would and encourage the death of dashcoin. this is a dirty tactic from evan the darkcoin developer to steal the name dashcoin.

Its probably a bit more complicated than that. In order to have trademark rights you have to be using the mark in commerce. To oppose the registration by someone else he has to say that he has a "product" called dashcoin and the attempted registration interferes with his use of the term dashcoin for his product.

Now given that he's said dashcoin is abandoned, I don't know how that factors into this. Dashcoin community members might consider respectfully reaching out to the company (a startup I believe)  that is attempting to register dash as a trademark (the one Evan is opposing) and work with them.

does having a market at poloniex count as commerce? people are buying and selling them..

any link to the company you are referring? i would like to take a look at it.

Look back for ArticMine's post that links to the uspto web site. The information is in there.

[arielbit]

@smooth thanks.

[AdamWhite]

DSH super progressive coin.. How to get this coin. ?

poloniex.com