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November 23, 2016, 03:22:24 AM
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Hi Team,

The merchandise is almost ready to go. I am getting the test print from the printers in the next few days.

I've added the pricing for the hats to the store, this means I'm just waiting on the shipping date from the printer and then I will open pre-orders.

Current products with prices are:

T-Shirt (S,M,L) in Black or White: $21.50
Snapback Cap in Black or White: $14.50
5 Panel Cap in Black: $17.50
Sticker: $1.00
Donation: $1.00

Current shipping methods are:

New Zealand
$5.00 untracked t-shirt
$1.00 untracked stickers (up to 10)

Australia
$8.00 untracked t-shirt
$2.00 untracked stickers (up to 10)

US & Europe
$12.00 untracked t-shirt
$2.20 untracked stickers (up to 10)

Rest of World
$15.00 untracked t-shirt
$2.50 untracked stickers (up to 10)

T-shirt shipping price is for 1 t-shirt. It will be approximately $5 extra per t-shirt ordered. I just haven't figured out how to enter that calculation into the e-commerce module.

I still need to find out the shipping for the caps, but i would assume it will be about the same or perhaps a little more expensive because they can't be packed flat like a t-shirt.

http://store.navcoin.org

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November 23, 2016, 06:26:12 AM
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Nice article. I read an article a few weeks ago (I think I posted it here somewhere) in which people from the government said that these coins like Dash and Monero are not untraceable. Investigators managed to trace transactions with these coins so the article you posted doesn't surprise me at all.

Unless those government people provide details, I can't take such reports seriously.
I don't care what can be done in theory or when some special (not mentioned) conditions apply.

In practice, even regular bitcoin can be a bitch to trace provided you make some effort to cover your tracks.

In addition, whatever a government would have to say about crypto I would take with a grain of salt. If tracing crypto really is that easy, as a goverment, I would want people to think otherwise and feel safe.
And likewise, if tracing is hard I would want to scare people away from it by spreading news that it is not

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November 23, 2016, 08:46:00 AM
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Nice article. I read an article a few weeks ago (I think I posted it here somewhere) in which people from the government said that these coins like Dash and Monero are not untraceable. Investigators managed to trace transactions with these coins so the article you posted doesn't surprise me at all.

Unless those government people provide details, I can't take such reports seriously.
I don't care what can be done in theory or when some special (not mentioned) conditions apply.

In practice, even regular bitcoin can be a bitch to trace provided you make some effort to cover your tracks.

In addition, whatever a government would have to say about crypto I would take with a grain of salt. If tracing crypto really is that easy, as a goverment, I would want people to think otherwise and feel safe.
And likewise, if tracing is hard I would want to scare people away from it by spreading news that it is not
https://steemit.com/money/@thecryptodrive/a-lesson-in-anonymity-bitcoin-dash-monero-and-zcash
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November 23, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
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Nice article. I read an article a few weeks ago (I think I posted it here somewhere) in which people from the government said that these coins like Dash and Monero are not untraceable. Investigators managed to trace transactions with these coins so the article you posted doesn't surprise me at all.

Unless those government people provide details, I can't take such reports seriously.
I don't care what can be done in theory or when some special (not mentioned) conditions apply.

In practice, even regular bitcoin can be a bitch to trace provided you make some effort to cover your tracks.

In addition, whatever a government would have to say about crypto I would take with a grain of salt. If tracing crypto really is that easy, as a goverment, I would want people to think otherwise and feel safe.
And likewise, if tracing is hard I would want to scare people away from it by spreading news that it is not
https://steemit.com/money/@thecryptodrive/a-lesson-in-anonymity-bitcoin-dash-monero-and-zcash

As I said, transactions are traceable if you take no precaution or in special cases. Using your own ISP to make transactions or coin mixing with just one mixer can get you traced, in theory again and provided that those looking for you are motivated and powerful enough to pull all the strings.

This article is just a collection of same old arguments + a plug about zcash.

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November 23, 2016, 10:37:16 AM
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Looks like very active now at poloniex

I working nav coin
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November 23, 2016, 11:06:16 AM
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In short, ZCASH and NAV, is the only fully anonymous coins.
Of course, with an indication of de second.
People will soon realize that the king is the NAV !

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November 23, 2016, 03:10:24 PM
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As I said, transactions are traceable if you take no precaution or in special cases. Using your own ISP to make transactions or coin mixing with just one mixer can get you traced, in theory again and provided that those looking for you are motivated and powerful enough to pull all the strings.

This article is just a collection of same old arguments + a plug about zcash.
So people need to be computer experts to be sure to not get caught ?
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November 23, 2016, 03:21:02 PM
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 Video's are being made. Press releases coming. Decentralization, open source etc.. Nav will go big around new year for sure, or a little sooner.

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November 23, 2016, 03:34:25 PM
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As I said, transactions are traceable if you take no precaution or in special cases. Using your own ISP to make transactions or coin mixing with just one mixer can get you traced, in theory again and provided that those looking for you are motivated and powerful enough to pull all the strings.

This article is just a collection of same old arguments + a plug about zcash.
So people need to be computer experts to be sure to not get caught ?

People who really have something to hide and have chosen crypto to do it better be damn well sure they know how to use their tools of choice. In this case it is computers.

No one will spend the resources required to analyze the blockchain of any coin to back trace your coffee purchases. We are talking real reason to hide here.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that blockchain analysis will lead with any reasonable degree of certainty to a specific person who has taken necessary precautions.

Sure, currencies like NAV, and even the earlier ones mentioned make it a lot easier to cover yourself and that's good. I just don't agree with this notion that everything with standard crypto can be traced that this article seems to want to pass.

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November 23, 2016, 04:21:43 PM
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http://weuse.cash/2016/10/28/the-untrusted-setup/

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November 23, 2016, 04:25:44 PM
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Why you shouldn’t trust ZCash  Smiley

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November 23, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
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People who really have something to hide and have chosen crypto to do it better be damn well sure they know how to use their tools of choice. In this case it is computers.

No one will spend the resources required to analyze the blockchain of any coin to back trace your coffee purchases. We are talking real reason to hide here.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that blockchain analysis will lead with any reasonable degree of certainty to a specific person who has taken necessary precautions.

Sure, currencies like NAV, and even the earlier ones mentioned make it a lot easier to cover yourself and that's good. I just don't agree with this notion that everything with standard crypto can be traced that this article seems to want to pass.
So you saying a drug addict (maybe an extreme case but to make my point clear) needs to know all about crypto and security ? I couldn't disagree more to you. An anonymous coin should be anonymous for everyone, not only those that understand all the details.
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November 23, 2016, 06:10:24 PM
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In short, ZCASH and NAV, is the only fully anonymous coins.
Of course, with an indication of de second.
People will soon realize that the king is the NAV !

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no 1 =   CloakCoin  fully anonymous  Grin

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November 23, 2016, 06:24:43 PM
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I'm sure the IRS will trace the blockchain if/when they get all the coinbase user info.  If I bought BTC @ $300 there and then Bought coffee at the bitcoin general store when BTC was $400 The IRS wants a cut.

As I said, transactions are traceable if you take no precaution or in special cases. Using your own ISP to make transactions or coin mixing with just one mixer can get you traced, in theory again and provided that those looking for you are motivated and powerful enough to pull all the strings.

This article is just a collection of same old arguments + a plug about zcash.
So people need to be computer experts to be sure to not get caught ?

People who really have something to hide and have chosen crypto to do it better be damn well sure they know how to use their tools of choice. In this case it is computers.

No one will spend the resources required to analyze the blockchain of any coin to back trace your coffee purchases. We are talking real reason to hide here.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that blockchain analysis will lead with any reasonable degree of certainty to a specific person who has taken necessary precautions.

Sure, currencies like NAV, and even the earlier ones mentioned make it a lot easier to cover yourself and that's good. I just don't agree with this notion that everything with standard crypto can be traced that this article seems to want to pass.

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November 23, 2016, 07:32:39 PM
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So you saying a drug addict (maybe an extreme case but to make my point clear) needs to know all about crypto and security ? I couldn't disagree more to you. An anonymous coin should be anonymous for everyone, not only those that understand all the details.

This is getting off topic so it's the last comment from me about the issue.

You are confusing things that are with things that should be. The latter is subjective.

I never said anything about what I think should be happening because it's irrelevant. I am describing what I believe is the actual case now. Or at least what it looks like from where I'm standing.

And it was all about those articles trying to give the impression that its almost trivial to backtrace transactions to a person from blockchain analysis. Either as a plug for a new anon coin or as a way to devalue crypto in general (like: see people, they told you you are safe by using all those unorthodox tech currencies and it was really bollocks... might as well stick to fiat money that you know and trust)

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November 23, 2016, 07:45:02 PM
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This is getting off topic so it's the last comment from me about the issue.
No, it isn't. NAV is an anonymous coin and we are discussing anonimity. It is in fact very important for NAV if the other coins are not as anonymous as they claim.

You are confusing things that are with things that should be. The latter is subjective.
This is complete BS. You say that people should know what they are doing, and I say they shouldn't. Why would your view by less subjective than mine ? Because it comes from you ? The crypto community is pushing to make crypto mainstream. You can't make it mainstream if you need to be a computer scientist with a PhD in internet security in order to be sure your transactions are guaranteed anonymous. It is the task of the crypto community to device a mechanism to guarantee this to even people that hardly knows what is a computer. Without that, it can never be mainstream.

And it was all about those articles trying to give the impression that its almost trivial to backtrace transactions to a person from blockchain analysis. Either as a plug for a new anon coin or as a way to devalue crypto in general (like: see people, they told you you are safe by using all those unorthodox tech currencies and it was really bollocks... might as well stick to fiat money that you know and trust)
That's your subjective interpretation of what I was saying. In the report I read the claim was made that investigators (highly qualified ones) managed to trace SOME transactions. They never said they could trace all transactions and they never said it was an easy thing to do (nor did I state that it was an easy thing to do). They stated that the tumblers and mixers didn't guarantee the full proof anonimity that they claimed. Maybe many transactions can't be traced, but the risk is there that some can get traced so you are taking a risk to get caught ... unless .... NAV's mechanism works better and can guarantee full anonimity which would make NAV world's first fully anonymous coin.
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November 23, 2016, 08:19:26 PM
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This is getting off topic so it's the last comment from me about the issue.
No, it isn't. NAV is an anonymous coin and we are discussing anonimity. It is in fact very important for NAV if the other coins are not as anonymous as they claim.

You are confusing things that are with things that should be. The latter is subjective.
This is complete BS. You say that people should know what they are doing, and I say they shouldn't. Why would your view by less subjective than mine ? Because it comes from you ? The crypto community is pushing to make crypto mainstream. You can't make it mainstream if you need to be a computer scientist with a PhD in internet security in order to be sure your transactions are guaranteed anonymous. It is the task of the crypto community to device a mechanism to guarantee this to even people that hardly knows what is a computer. Without that, it can never be mainstream.

And it was all about those articles trying to give the impression that its almost trivial to backtrace transactions to a person from blockchain analysis. Either as a plug for a new anon coin or as a way to devalue crypto in general (like: see people, they told you you are safe by using all those unorthodox tech currencies and it was really bollocks... might as well stick to fiat money that you know and trust)
That's your subjective interpretation of what I was saying. In the report I read the claim was made that investigators (highly qualified ones) managed to trace SOME transactions. They never said they could trace all transactions and they never said it was an easy thing to do (nor did I state that it was an easy thing to do). They stated that the tumblers and mixers didn't guarantee the full proof anonimity that they claimed. Maybe many transactions can't be traced, but the risk is there that some can get traced so you are taking a risk to get caught ... unless .... NAV's mechanism works better and can guarantee full anonimity which would make NAV world's first fully anonymous coin.


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November 23, 2016, 09:03:20 PM
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Another alt coin treading a similar path, with a promise of fast transaction speeds and an optional anonymous transaction feature that utilizes a second Blockchain called the subchain, is NAVCoin. Looking to implement 'subchain as a service,' its developers plan to complete the decentralization of their network in the next five weeks, as noted in an email.

NAVCoin offers optional anonymous transactions that are sent through a double encrypted network of servers which all run on decentralized Blockchain technology.



https://cointelegraph.com/news/new-coins-seek-to-cash-in-on-zcashs-problems
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Another alt coin treading a similar path, with a promise of fast transaction speeds and an optional anonymous transaction feature that utilizes a second Blockchain called the subchain, is NAVCoin. Looking to implement 'subchain as a service,' its developers plan to complete the decentralization of their network in the next five weeks, as noted in an email.

NAVCoin offers optional anonymous transactions that are sent through a double encrypted network of servers which all run on decentralized Blockchain technology.



https://cointelegraph.com/news/new-coins-seek-to-cash-in-on-zcashs-problems

Nice one. NAV is almoust like ticking time  bomb.  Grin
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