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The devs not responding to these comments (and they do know this is going on) just further demonstrates how little credibility this guy has. I'll be blunt. The devs not responding is not a good thing. Look at how many pages have been filled with this stuff. There are many of us that want to hear real technical answers to things and don't get them. For example, I want to know what the size of the transactions will be with low mixes compared to CN coins as opposed to those given in the whitepaper as a selling point for chandran sigs. When I brought it up before, I was labeled a troll/fuder etc and got no answers. When I asked real question about BTCD, jl777 answered me. When I asked questions about SDC, the dev answered me. Fact is, I could list a few more coins where the dev actually answered my questions but in here, all you get is posts about how this is the second coming and posts get buried with images. Granted, unlike this guy, I didn't go into those other threads and come out saying it was crap and vaporware, but still, some of us would like some real technical discussions and when we don't see any, it does not reflect well on the coin and the devs. Not an unreasonable request, but you should similarly see that it's not unreasonable to ignore the request. For example, in the early days of XC, which despite its other failings has seen many technical successes, Dan answered technical questions in the thread all the time. Then he clearly realized that was a massive drain on his time and not worth it as for every intelligent and well meaning technical question he had to wade through a pile of worthless troll questions. Parallel here is that while your question is reasonable, does the dev really need to take his time to deal with longandshort, who doesn't have an argument and just shouts that he doesn't think the project will work? So maybe dev decides he'd rather just focus on coding rather than putting himself at the beck and call of Random People On The Internet and answers neither question. Quite an interesting take on the actions of someone you are not, so you are saying that everyone else that has asked anything here that has not revived a mature answer is not worthy because they are "some random from the internet" You do realise we are all random and are all on the Internet don't you? no clearly not with a stupid idea such as that..so because i asked a simple question and got bashed and have been asking it ever since im not worthy because i wont give up..cmon you have lost the plot! and are quite offensive. you would not put up with this bs so why should any body else! that is whats lost to me! how you justify it is scary! this is plain and simple about my sig and the claims i present nothing more nothing less you people cant answer and you handle it by swinging an axe. primitive to say the least! Look - my point is if I fire off an email to elon musk asking that he defend this or that about the model d, he's not going to answer me. He doesn't know who I am, and it isn't efficient for him to spend time answering technical questions just because Someone Wants To Know. This is a similar, albeit lesser, scenario. Maybe for your own reference go through a16z's portfolio and start firing off technical questions to various founders. Most will not bother to respond to you, and that does NOT mean there is anything wrong with their respective businesses. It just means they don't value your opinion enough to respond to you... Make sense? And by the way, you probably can get an answer to the question you are asking, just not by repeatedly spamming this thread with crap. Try PM, try slackchat. I actually haven't made any song and dance about the devs not responding nor have i asked them to although it would be nice, i understood from the very beginning what you're trying to explain to me as though i don't. If i did want them only i could pm, email and slack chat them directly. I'm in a public forum asking the community at large in an efficient way to me. I'm covering a number of ethical goals as a way to gain the attention of all and talk about this. I, and as stated by other bct users, they have also been met with quite vulgar responses for the community here at large. Often abused, bashed and had just about every thing about them attacked and thrown against them but rarely has anyone commented on the things they or i were/am asking or bringing up without some form of abusive text or slander..This has been a trend here for quite a long time and they bit me and here i am.. Call it what you want twist it how you will assume the worse if thats what helps you understand it but its as simple as this. razorcoin devs deserve their copyright to remain intact, i think its ethical for the community to encourage the dev team to correct that in the next wave of updates to their branches. i also think that we need to have a discussion about the use of chandran signs in this new chain they propose and my point has been this and its still up for a cohesive counter argument without abuse and without pointing to papers that are immaterial. Fact is the devs have put this as a feature to bet on and if ther is argument that its not doable we should be talking about it weather people like it or not! If the devs are too busy to explain themselves fine but it should not be on the roadmap! as of this point the coin is ported form other projects except for sms relay which is separate to the chain itself. this does not warrant excessive buzzing and big betting on their release without a intelligent debate about if its doable..im saying its not ive given my reasons any cryptographer would understand what im saying and an educated response form someone or discussion is all this thread needs not the absolute putrid filth that has flown so i could aslo ask the community to find them selfs a competent community manager to set a culture because it literally is the wild west in here and i think you're community members be i like them or not need to be more educated and by that i mean they need more documentation! people like emilio and btc-writer spamming the things they do on topics they don't have the faintest clue about they are setting up for failure but it does not seem to bother then because anybody telling thy are wrong are accused of fudding! i have already taught emilio how to use tables for his graphics so he can not take up half a page with them in a post and you can thank me for at least that! i don't want to tell you all how to do your jobs but you cannot deny this any longer this community is putrid but means well so i hope to see drastic change because this industry needs it and less of this crap! NOR HAVE YOU ASKED THEM? Do you see why even reasonable people like me find you obnoxious? If you want to know whether the Chandran implementation will work, go ask the dev. If you don't want to ask the dev, then you are not trying to get an answer to your question and should go away. All I have access to is the same academic papers that you do. |
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October 10, 2014, 04:49:38 AM |
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So, can you point out to me where you are getting the information that it can't be done?
What, are you insane? Don't confuse the issue with facts. Apparently I am since I forgot that Chandran sigs are in fact "Sub-linear Ring Signatures Without Random Oracles" and I found a paper that shows how to make them traceable etc. Not to mention a few papers that offer improvements and/or alternative methods to that paper. lol So i've basically been talking with the bitcoin wizzards and a couple of others in irc to get another opinion and they basically agree and seem to think it is somewhat possible to achieve but its not really viable and as soon as hondo starts researching it they will stop and find its doomed to fail! |
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October 10, 2014, 04:51:29 AM |
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The devs not responding to these comments (and they do know this is going on) just further demonstrates how little credibility this guy has. I'll be blunt. The devs not responding is not a good thing. Look at how many pages have been filled with this stuff. There are many of us that want to hear real technical answers to things and don't get them. For example, I want to know what the size of the transactions will be with low mixes compared to CN coins as opposed to those given in the whitepaper as a selling point for chandran sigs. When I brought it up before, I was labeled a troll/fuder etc and got no answers. When I asked real question about BTCD, jl777 answered me. When I asked questions about SDC, the dev answered me. Fact is, I could list a few more coins where the dev actually answered my questions but in here, all you get is posts about how this is the second coming and posts get buried with images. Granted, unlike this guy, I didn't go into those other threads and come out saying it was crap and vaporware, but still, some of us would like some real technical discussions and when we don't see any, it does not reflect well on the coin and the devs. Not an unreasonable request, but you should similarly see that it's not unreasonable to ignore the request. For example, in the early days of XC, which despite its other failings has seen many technical successes, Dan answered technical questions in the thread all the time. Then he clearly realized that was a massive drain on his time and not worth it as for every intelligent and well meaning technical question he had to wade through a pile of worthless troll questions. Parallel here is that while your question is reasonable, does the dev really need to take his time to deal with longandshort, who doesn't have an argument and just shouts that he doesn't think the project will work? So maybe dev decides he'd rather just focus on coding rather than putting himself at the beck and call of Random People On The Internet and answers neither question. Quite an interesting take on the actions of someone you are not, so you are saying that everyone else that has asked anything here that has not revived a mature answer is not worthy because they are "some random from the internet" You do realise we are all random and are all on the Internet don't you? no clearly not with a stupid idea such as that..so because i asked a simple question and got bashed and have been asking it ever since im not worthy because i wont give up..cmon you have lost the plot! and are quite offensive. you would not put up with this bs so why should any body else! that is whats lost to me! how you justify it is scary! this is plain and simple about my sig and the claims i present nothing more nothing less you people cant answer and you handle it by swinging an axe. primitive to say the least! Look - my point is if I fire off an email to elon musk asking that he defend this or that about the model d, he's not going to answer me. He doesn't know who I am, and it isn't efficient for him to spend time answering technical questions just because Someone Wants To Know. This is a similar, albeit lesser, scenario. Maybe for your own reference go through a16z's portfolio and start firing off technical questions to various founders. Most will not bother to respond to you, and that does NOT mean there is anything wrong with their respective businesses. It just means they don't value your opinion enough to respond to you... Make sense? And by the way, you probably can get an answer to the question you are asking, just not by repeatedly spamming this thread with crap. Try PM, try slackchat. I actually haven't made any song and dance about the devs not responding nor have i asked them to although it would be nice, i understood from the very beginning what you're trying to explain to me as though i don't. If i did want them only i could pm, email and slack chat them directly. I'm in a public forum asking the community at large in an efficient way to me. I'm covering a number of ethical goals as a way to gain the attention of all and talk about this. I, and as stated by other bct users, they have also been met with quite vulgar responses for the community here at large. Often abused, bashed and had just about every thing about them attacked and thrown against them but rarely has anyone commented on the things they or i were/am asking or bringing up without some form of abusive text or slander..This has been a trend here for quite a long time and they bit me and here i am.. Call it what you want twist it how you will assume the worse if thats what helps you understand it but its as simple as this. razorcoin devs deserve their copyright to remain intact, i think its ethical for the community to encourage the dev team to correct that in the next wave of updates to their branches. i also think that we need to have a discussion about the use of chandran signs in this new chain they propose and my point has been this and its still up for a cohesive counter argument without abuse and without pointing to papers that are immaterial. Fact is the devs have put this as a feature to bet on and if ther is argument that its not doable we should be talking about it weather people like it or not! If the devs are too busy to explain themselves fine but it should not be on the roadmap! as of this point the coin is ported form other projects except for sms relay which is separate to the chain itself. this does not warrant excessive buzzing and big betting on their release without a intelligent debate about if its doable..im saying its not ive given my reasons any cryptographer would understand what im saying and an educated response form someone or discussion is all this thread needs not the absolute putrid filth that has flown so i could aslo ask the community to find them selfs a competent community manager to set a culture because it literally is the wild west in here and i think you're community members be i like them or not need to be more educated and by that i mean they need more documentation! people like emilio and btc-writer spamming the things they do on topics they don't have the faintest clue about they are setting up for failure but it does not seem to bother then because anybody telling thy are wrong are accused of fudding! i have already taught emilio how to use tables for his graphics so he can not take up half a page with them in a post and you can thank me for at least that! i don't want to tell you all how to do your jobs but you cannot deny this any longer this community is putrid but means well so i hope to see drastic change because this industry needs it and less of this crap! NOR HAVE YOU ASKED THEM? Do you see why even reasonable people like me find you obnoxious? If you want to know whether the Chandran implementation will work, go ask the dev. If you don't want to ask the dev, then you are not trying to get an answer to your question and should go away. All I have access to is the same academic papers that you do. look i dont know who pissed in your breakfast this morning or if you even read that whole block of text but im clearly stating the facts the dev really isn't someone i trust! and ofc he will say he can do it..but we are saying he cant and wont! Chew on that for a bit! |
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October 10, 2014, 04:51:45 AM |
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I will give u all a hint right now cause im nice..... Get out of XST.... their is some news coming that will make you all cry  .... Be ready hahaha and emilio.. once again you will be left butthurt |
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October 10, 2014, 04:53:24 AM |
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I will give u all a hint right now cause im nice..... Get out of XST.... their is some news coming that will make you all cry .... Be ready hahaha and emilio.. once again you will be left butthurt Shadowcoin is dead, deal with it. We can't help you. |
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October 10, 2014, 04:58:44 AM |
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yoyo what the next milestone/release? I want to invest some BTC in this sexy coin.  |
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October 10, 2014, 05:00:16 AM |
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yoyo what the next milestone/release? I want to invest some BTC in this sexy coin. WOULDNT recommend doing that... some juicy news just surfaced not so long ago dooming this coin |
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October 10, 2014, 05:01:09 AM |
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I will give u all a hint right now cause im nice..... Get out of XST.... their is some news coming that will make you all cry .... Be ready hahaha and emilio.. once again you will be left butthurt Shadowcoin is dead, deal with it. We can't help you. YOUR COIN IS IN FOR THE WORST NEWS AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WITH WHAT YOUR ABOUT TO GET BLINDSIDED WITH.... ITS LIKE CHRISTMAS ..... BAHAHAHAH JUST WAIT YOU WILL BE SOOOOOOO FUCKING BUTTHURT ONCE THIS NEWS IS DELIVERED TO PUBLIC.... KNEW HONDO WAS FULL OF SHIT THE WHOLE TIME  Everything coming out of your(pookielax31/LongAndShort) ass is nothing but FUD |
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October 10, 2014, 05:02:33 AM |
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How about Some1 really high up in the bitcoin world I only wish I could see all your faces when this news is delivered  |
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October 10, 2014, 05:03:19 AM |
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yoyo what the next milestone/release? I want to invest some BTC in this sexy coin. WOULDNT recommend doing that... some juicy news just surfaced not so long ago dooming this coin
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October 10, 2014, 05:05:02 AM |
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yoyo what the next milestone/release? I want to invest some BTC in this sexy coin. WOULDNT recommend doing that... some juicy news just surfaced not so long ago dooming this coin
[CITATION NEEDED]Im not aloud to deliver it (trust me I wish I was allowed to announce this to you fucking shit for brain morons that didnt listen)... but believe me its coming.... |
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October 10, 2014, 05:06:41 AM |
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yoyo what the next milestone/release? I want to invest some BTC in this sexy coin. WOULDNT recommend doing that... some juicy news just surfaced not so long ago dooming this coin
[CITATION NEEDED]im so full of shit corn is leaking out of my eyes Oh so you're somebody's BITCH, eh? |
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October 10, 2014, 05:07:14 AM |
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So, can you point out to me where you are getting the information that it can't be done?
What, are you insane? Don't confuse the issue with facts. Apparently I am since I forgot that Chandran sigs are in fact "Sub-linear Ring Signatures Without Random Oracles" and I found a paper that shows how to make them traceable etc. Not to mention a few papers that offer improvements and/or alternative methods to that paper. lol but its not really viable and as soon as hondo starts researching it they will stop and find its doomed to fail! How about Some1 really high up in the bitcoin world I only wish I could see all your faces when this news is delivered Most of us already know the answer, it would be too risky for bitcoin to implementing this as it would need many forks, Stealthcoin can afford this. |
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October 10, 2014, 05:09:33 AM |
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So, can you point out to me where you are getting the information that it can't be done?
What, are you insane? Don't confuse the issue with facts. Apparently I am since I forgot that Chandran sigs are in fact "Sub-linear Ring Signatures Without Random Oracles" and I found a paper that shows how to make them traceable etc. Not to mention a few papers that offer improvements and/or alternative methods to that paper. lol but its not really viable and as soon as hondo starts researching it they will stop and find its doomed to fail! How about Some1 really high up in the bitcoin world I only wish I could see all your faces when this news is delivered Most of us already know the answer, it would be too risky for bitcoin to implementing this as it would need many forks, Stealthcoin can afford this. Not even fucking close..... |
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October 10, 2014, 05:10:04 AM |
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yoyo what the next milestone/release? I want to invest some BTC in this sexy coin. WOULDNT recommend doing that... some juicy news just surfaced not so long ago dooming this coin
[CITATION NEEDED]Im not aloud to deliver it (trust me I wish I was allowed to announce this to you fucking shit for brain morons that didnt listen)... but believe me its coming.... Why you're so butthurt about Stealthcoin? Like I said we can't help your shadowcoin, why don't you picked something like Darkcoin as it have many whales? You're such a dumb moron to ride on our wave. |
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October 10, 2014, 05:14:39 AM |
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Bobby is on a vacation, and he and his servants have got out of XST at 12-14 K levels. Haven't you noticed that they are not posting in your thread anymore - that's because they got another scam going on. I am sad for the true believers but the devs had a deal with the devil the whole time - they sold you out for a few dirty coins.
I know it is hard to face reality, but the same scenarios have happened multiple times in the last several months, the latest and the biggest one being CLOAK. Just check out the thread and you will see who was the biggest cheerleader of CLOAK in July and August, and come September he started making fun and taunting the CLOAK supporters.
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October 10, 2014, 05:14:55 AM |
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So, can you point out to me where you are getting the information that it can't be done?
What, are you insane? Don't confuse the issue with facts. Apparently I am since I forgot that Chandran sigs are in fact "Sub-linear Ring Signatures Without Random Oracles" and I found a paper that shows how to make them traceable etc. Not to mention a few papers that offer improvements and/or alternative methods to that paper. lol but its not really viable and as soon as hondo starts researching it they will stop and find its doomed to fail! How about Some1 really high up in the bitcoin world I only wish I could see all your faces when this news is delivered Most of us already know the answer, it would be too risky for bitcoin to implementing this as it would need many forks, Stealthcoin can afford this. Not even fucking close..... Yes, we believed you the type of person that would hold any kind of bad new for Stealthcoin You're fail so many levels. Like I said you is one insane toxic human that can't be fix. You have no logic and believing only your own opinion even if it's wrong. |
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October 10, 2014, 05:19:41 AM |
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So, can you point out to me where you are getting the information that it can't be done?
What, are you insane? Don't confuse the issue with facts. Apparently I am since I forgot that Chandran sigs are in fact "Sub-linear Ring Signatures Without Random Oracles" and I found a paper that shows how to make them traceable etc. Not to mention a few papers that offer improvements and/or alternative methods to that paper. lol but its not really viable and as soon as hondo starts researching it they will stop and find its doomed to fail! How about Some1 really high up in the bitcoin world I only wish I could see all your faces when this news is delivered Most of us already know the answer, it would be too risky for bitcoin to implementing this as it would need many forks, Stealthcoin can afford this. Not even fucking close..... Yes, we believed you the type of person that would hold any kind of bad new for Stealthcoin You're fail so many levels. Like I said you is one insane toxic human that can't be fix. You have no logic and believing only your own opinion even if it's wrong. so i jumped into #bitcoin-wizards today and i don't expect you to know anything about that place being that you have no clue why you are even here or how you got here but ill let you know anyhow that they said and i quote " if they say "they are starting research" then they will realize quickly it is doomed and stop it" and we all know they haven't started research on it yet so its safe to assume they are still yet to find out what most of us already know! hell why am i telling you , you wont believe me will you? |
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October 10, 2014, 05:23:07 AM |
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This is the most dramatic thread ever. If the coin was so suredly doomed why are these people wasting their life telling us so. Sad way to spend time IMO
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October 10, 2014, 05:25:22 AM |
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Bitcoin Core Devs laughing at HONDOs FAKE ass attempt.... From the bitcoin gods themselves boys... what a joke XST is  theres pages of this shit
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