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[LongAndShort]

stopp this childish crap i have not once talked about shadow im here talking about stealthsend and how its vaporware no one here is acdcepting the facts here hondo cant do what he proposes for stealthsend
it unlinkable/tracable it will be unsecured and people will double spend it wont work the way he is saying it will! your only counter argument is to post graphics of pod and coinsource..this is pathetic! you are misleading the community here and hiding the truth slandering me and trying to attack other coins becasue you have no argument to counter the truth stated here many times!

[risefromtheashes74]

Can you guys keep the counter arguing directed at longandshort and not shadowcash?

Shadow isn't attacking you. They don't care what you invest in. They don't want you.

Longandshort is attacking you. If you cant counter his arguments, ignore him. Keep shadowcash out of your posts please.

I was just over visiting the Shadow thread & one of their own basically told longandshort to cut the crap & was bring down both communities.
Not an exact quote, but the just of it. Seconds later it was deleted. I wish I had gotten a screenshot.
Seems awfully fishy.

[ifightformerkel]

stopp this childish crap i have not once talked about shadow im here talking about stealthsend and how its vaporware no one here is acdcepting the facts here hondo cant do what he proposes for stealthsend
it unlinkable/tracable it will be unsecured and people will double spend it wont work the way he is saying it will!

1. but how do you know it?
2. so stealthsend will never come?

[objectofawareness]

Read closely.


Grow some nuts folks....

Dont let Longandshort scare you!  

He is doing this for the money, this is his job.

Longandshort is a front man for trollsRoyce (coolstory) who owns 1.5-1.8 Million SDC

His job is to scare you into dumping and investing in SDC.  

He isn't here to save you from Hondo, he is here to make you dump.

If you dump, he wins.

If you put him on ignore, you win.

Hondo hasn't let us down yet.  If there is a problem with chandran sigs, Hondo will identify and retool, thats what developers do and this should not scare you in the least.

Stop letting Long and Short and the SDC trolls scare you.  

XST is just getting started...  I for one am not going anywhere.

Think about it. No normal person would spend this much time doing this, unless they are getting paid. Even a person with no life would have gotten tired of posting at this point.....yet LongballsandShortdick is still here repeating the same things over and over again.

[Wheatclove]

Can you guys keep the counter arguing directed at longandshort and not shadowcash?

Shadow isn't attacking you. They don't care what you invest in. They don't want you.

Longandshort is attacking you. If you cant counter his arguments, ignore him. Keep shadowcash out of your posts please.

I was just over visiting the Shadow thread & one of their own basically told longandshort to cut the crap & was bring down both communities.
Not an exact quote, but the just of it. Seconds later it was deleted. I wish I had gotten a screenshot.
Seems awfully fishy.

How is that fishy? The shadow community isn't attacking you and doesnt feel any desire to do so.

And for the record, it's Shadowcash.

[LongAndShort]

This community is irresponsibly not facing the facts why is that why now and why not?

[moonchaser]

stopp this childish crap i have not once talked about shadow im here talking about stealthsend and how its vaporware no one here is acdcepting the facts here hondo cant do what he proposes for stealthsend
it unlinkable/tracable it will be unsecured and people will double spend it wont work the way he is saying it will!

1. but how do you know it?
2. so stealthsend will never come?

So basically he ask someone who had no clue about the project and who expressed his first opinion about it.
Later on he changed his mind and was confused.
That's his stupid evidence.

[LongAndShort]

stopp this childish crap i have not once talked about shadow im here talking about stealthsend and how its vaporware no one here is acdcepting the facts here hondo cant do what he proposes for stealthsend
it unlinkable/tracable it will be unsecured and people will double spend it wont work the way he is saying it will!

1. but how do you know it?
2. so stealthsend will never come?

Stealthsend is pretty much vaporawre hondo just released some more info on how difficult its going to be and they pretty much have a few ideas and papers but they aren't really on the right track with it nor is it research yet.

Its basically like mintpal launch they screwed it up and the confidence with it. Its only a matter of time before everyone here realises it. The way they propose in the paper to make steathsend; basically opens up the chain for forgery and the chandran sig are not linkable/traceable. Its never been done before touted as impossible in an efficient way and pointless to invest time into..but most people here are like " its all happy days" basically because they either wont acdet the facts or are in denial and or just dont have a clue what it all means. Like its somehow just going to magically get better!

some opinion form a bitcoin dev (experts) you can check the logs here https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/

[objectofawareness]

This community is irresponsibly not facing the facts why is that why now and why not?

This is a fact

 

[LongAndShort]

How can you all deny the facts..its not going to happen stealthsend is your only hope and its not going to happen when its meant to and how its meant to if at all
how can you justify ignoring it

[risefromtheashes74]

Can you guys keep the counter arguing directed at longandshort and not shadowcash?

Shadow isn't attacking you. They don't care what you invest in. They don't want you.

Longandshort is attacking you. If you cant counter his arguments, ignore him. Keep shadowcash out of your posts please.

I was just over visiting the Shadow thread & one of their own basically told longandshort to cut the crap & was bring down both communities.
Not an exact quote, but the just of it. Seconds later it was deleted. I wish I had gotten a screenshot.
Seems awfully fishy.

How is that fishy? The shadow community isn't attacking you and doesnt feel any desire to do so.

And for the record, it's Shadowcash.

How is it NOT fishy?

[Cloakko]

This user is currently ignored

Go learn some basics first, and then come back here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography

When Hondo will tell you to open your mouth, you'll open it. Otherwise, just shut up.

You are not stating fact, just spreading false rumors.

You're not even a dev. Just an HTML copy / paste professional.

[StealthCoin1]

EVERYBODY !!!! READ CLOSER!
STEALTH COIN AND THE COMMUNITY ARE UNDER ATTACK BY THE COMPETITION !!!
IGNORE LONGANDSHORT< POOKIE >>>TEY WORK FOR THE COMPETITION!
AT ANY COST DO NOT>>>DO NOT DROP YOUR COINS!!!>>>>THEY TRY TO BRING THE MARKET DOWN!
HOLD ON! DO NOT PLAY THEIR GAME!
STEALTH COIN IS FINE AND KICKING ASS!!!
HONDO JUST SPOKE TO US TODAY>>>>HE IS WORKING AS USUAL ON THE PROJECT.
YOU CAN TALK DIRECTLY WITH HIM --ASK FOR AN INVITATION AT : Stealth Coin thestealthcoin@gmail.com
DO NOT DROP YOUR COINS!!! IS JUST A FALSE ALARM!!! THE PROJECT IS ONGOING!!!!!

wow i never have seen this kind of attack before in crypto land. this should be on coindesk!

EVERYBODY !!!! READ CLOSER!
STEALTH COIN AND THE COMMUNITY ARE UNDER ATTACK BY THE COMPETITION !!!
IGNORE LONGANDSHORT< POOKIE >>>TEY WORK FOR THE COMPETITION!
AT ANY COST DO NOT>>>DO NOT DROP YOUR COINS!!!>>>>THEY TRY TO BRING THE MARKET DOWN!
HOLD ON! DO NOT PLAY THEIR GAME!
STEALTH COIN IS FINE AND KICKING ASS!!!
HONDO JUST SPOKE TO US TODAY>>>>HE IS WORKING AS USUAL ON THE PROJECT.
YOU CAN TALK DIRECTLY WITH HIM --ASK FOR AN INVITATION AT : Stealth Coin thestealthcoin@gmail.com
DO NOT DROP YOUR COINS!!! IS JUST A FALSE ALARM!!! THE PROJECT IS ONGOING!!!!!

wow the persistent of 1 or 2 person or even group attacking something that they don't even own or not related. this should be illegal!

[racer2012]

Hondo say something on this so we all know where we are please
People hard money is been stolen if they believe LongAndShort fudster.

Please update on stealthsend hondo.

[LongAndShort]

This community is irresponsibly not facing the facts why is that why now and why not?

This is a fact

 

That has nothing to do with xst alone and what im talking to you about why isnt satoshis pod there and sunnykings and charlies? i support all of their coins you have issues i swear they are not good!

[carlsaganaut]

How can you all deny the facts..its not going to happen stealthsend is your only hope and its not going to happen when its meant to and how its meant to if at all
how can you justify ignoring it

Dearest longandshort:

I am simply not going trust my financial decisions to someone who can't speak in sentences, or properly use a full stop, or who refuses to abide by any standard of ordinary decency when debating with people.

Your point about Chandran signatures has been addressed by the developer. While we wait for a confirmation, or a repeat refutation of your criticism from other reputable sources, I'm going to sit quietly, and stand clear of your fairly unpleasant verbal dysentery. Both my wallet and self-respect deserve no less.

If I lose money, I shall remember your less than magnanimous contribution to this forum, and be happy I lost the cash on my own terms. I won't make decisions based on someone who shits all over their tongue and then decides to speak to people.

Now let that be an end to it.

[objectofawareness]

[EmilioMann]

Ooohh...so sorry.

+ CryptoCertify - CryptoCertify 3-Star Approved https://www.cryptocertify.com/portfolio-posts/stealthcoin-xst

Before addressing the criticisms raised in this thread, I would like to express my sincere appreciation for these criticisms. Although some believe the manner in which they have been introduced may not be optimal to promote civil discourse, they are valuable criticisms nevertheless, and help to strengthen crypto-currencies in general. It is far better to address weaknesses in crypto systems during implementation than it is to address attacks after deployment.

Chandran signatures [1] make use of a common reference string. The common reference string generator (CRSGen) is a necessity for a model that does not require a random oracle, as described in [1]. CRSGen produces a string that is used as an input to a key generation function. The key generation function produces the user's public-private key pair. This key pair has specific properties in that it is a member of a particular mathematical group. In principle, key generation can be replaced by a cryptographic one-way function if the random oracle assumption is introduced.

Admittedly a more difficult issue to address is one of "unlinkability/untraceability", which boils down to the potential for a double spend. In short, Chandran signatures require the generation of a secret random parameter, g, that serves as an input to a "commitment" to a specific key in the key ring. This commitment basically identifies the public key from which the money is spent. The problem is that any number of g can be produced, creating the potential for any number of commitments to the specific public key.

In reality, this same issue exists with CryptoNote ring signatures except that the CryptoNote system incorporates a key image, I, into signing and verification, such that I can only ever be used once. A similar approach can be taken with Chandran signatures. As presented in [1], a key image I can be incorporated into Step 3 of signing and appended to the final signature. In addition to other parameters, Step 3 commits to the public keys of a subset of the ring. Just as with CryptoNote ring signatures, such a modification would commit to the key image and prevent its use for double-spends.

[1] Chandran N., et al. Ring Signatures of Sub-linear Size Without Random Oracles. ICALP 2007, LNCS 4596, pp. 423–434, 2007.


-- Hondo

[Wheatclove]

Can you guys keep the counter arguing directed at longandshort and not shadowcash?

Shadow isn't attacking you. They don't care what you invest in. They don't want you.

Longandshort is attacking you. If you cant counter his arguments, ignore him. Keep shadowcash out of your posts please.

I was just over visiting the Shadow thread & one of their own basically told longandshort to cut the crap & was bring down both communities.
Not an exact quote, but the just of it. Seconds later it was deleted. I wish I had gotten a screenshot.
Seems awfully fishy.

How is that fishy? The shadow community isn't attacking you and doesnt feel any desire to do so.

And for the record, it's Shadowcash.

How is it NOT fishy?

I just explained how it's not fishy. Reread that quote please.

[LongAndShort]

Hondo say something on this so we all know where we are please
People hard money is been stolen if they believe LongAndShort fudster.

Please update on stealthsend hondo.

he did he gave an explanation of chandran sigs and agreed it was flawed due to a security problem and how he cant link them because they are unlinkable/traecable