[PRE-ANN] [VIA]

[weedo84]

Most of your logic is very weak.  Saying that "you'll be mining" doesn't imply that you won't also be participating in the ICO.

Secondly, I invested in this ICO way before it turned-into an absolute shit-show, and then I realized that these massive investments may not even be from outside sources, but rather from btcdrak himself (or a close friend, i.e. quid pro quo) as he can do this with ZERO risk.

In all of my life experience, when someone avoids making clear and simple statements, and instead they reassure people with half-truths, usually it's BC they're not being 100% honest and forthcoming.

I'm asking for 2 clear and simple Official Statements about 1)  btcdrak's personal investments in the presale  2)  btcdrak coordinating a quid pro quo investment with a friend.

Make me look stupid...be forthcoming and put the statements on record...call me paranoid and delusional, and then this will all be settled...but I won't stop until I get those 2 clear statements on the record.


(I'm also pissed that btcdrak said he already answered this twice, when in fact, he didn't!)

P.S.  According to most of you, 90% of proper business ethics and legal procedures are FUD...lol


  

@Veritas,  whats the problem man, to us all this is enough- if its not enough proof for you.  It's fine, you have options;  A) You can have someone buy your share of investment (Myself, Masternode, Primitive).  Or   B) You can stick around and let go of this worry.  

But you cant have it all- the investment and expect the type of answers you want.    If so, I suggest stocks at Nasdaq, they're up 9%.

And cheer up, refer to "options".  ; D

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[CryptoPleb]

Name:   veritas77
Posts:   9
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   Today at 04:11:13 PM

What is your main account name?
And dont just tell me, I want you to print it out, frame it and post it to me otherwise I won't believe you.

[weedo84]

We need to get the "did you mean Viacom" out the google search results.. Lol

[veritas77]

It's funny that you start attacking me and my personal character when I did NOTHING shady in this entire presale; I'm extremely clear about my desires and intentions.  I'm bringing-up a legitimate concern that HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET, even if btcdrak danced-around answering it previously with half-truths (which actually looks suspicious)

My preference isn't to sell my viacoins, that's not why I invested in the first place.  My preference is for btcdrak to put 2 simple statements on the record (probably take him about 50 seconds to type) and then we can all move on.

"I don't believe in psychology.  I believe in Good Moves."
~Bobby Fischer

[qiuxiang]

When does it release

[provenceday]

The massive BTC investments are probably the dev...by simply taking his own BTC and sending it to HIS OWN "presale" BTC addresses - VOILA - he now owns 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, of the overall presale viacoins by simply exchanging BTC between 2 OF HIS OWN ADDRESSES.

This presale format MASQUERADES as "fair and open", but it's the dev (and his cronies?) who are in a position to really game the system and do some illegal/unethical things.

The more I think about it, the more pissed I get - this is NOTHING MORE THAN A PREMINE with a different name/scheme...btcdrak could have easily boughten more than 50% of the presale viacoins with ZERO RISK whatsoever!

Also, in the entire next 12 months, there will only be about 6.5M viacoins mined anyways, so if the dev "bought" (i.e. sent BTC from his left hand to his right hand) 50% of the presale viacoins, he essentially "premined" 30% of viacoin on a 1 year time frame!  

no wonder why btcdrak acted so rude and guilty in the IRC chats - he's probably too busy sending BTC to his presale and felt guilty about it!

do you all see my point!?  

That wasn't the dev.  He just made over 600 BTC in ICO funds. He's a pretty trusted guy in crypto trading circles, I just don't see him doing this kind of stuff. If you weren't expecting massive buys at the last possible minute you must be new here.  Those huge buys were probably cryptocobain  .

check the blockchain, https://blockchain.info/address/1BoAzeau3NHzRd1Mq9BXebyG1cJ1FEbeKk

the guy who invest 75btc has 2756BTC!

he is a big player and holder for sure.
if you check the public note signed in the blockchain:

you will find more info, such as

That guy donate 27.2447 BTC for peace: Public Note: I'm a guy from Ukraine. In Ukraine the Civil War and the Nazis kill innocent people. I have three small children and I fear for their lives. I want to get away from the war, but I did’t have enough money. Help me please. Send me some BTC. Save our souls.

Public Note: 3 BU condition 1 BTC Casascius 2011 error coins as agreed by PM.

Public Note: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=668502.msg7648595#msg7648595

Public Note: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=669825.msg7576886#msg7576886

Can you find the 75BTC person now?

the biggest invest did not come out from dev.

and this coin has a big potential to rank in top3 in the coinmarketcap, that's the reason why i invest.

as we all know, recently cryptoword are full of useless features, we do need a great coin to lead altcoin to the right path that altcoin should focus on real applications based blockchain.

i see so big potential on viacoin, that's the reason why i invest.

personally i think the applications based blockchain is the real reason that will support bitcoin reach 10K $=1BTC in the near future.

[radus]

It's funny that you start attacking me and my personal character when I did NOTHING shady in this entire presale; I'm extremely clear about my desires and intentions.  I'm bringing-up a legitimate concern that HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET, even if btcdrak danced-around answering it previously with half-truths (which actually looks suspicious)

My preference isn't to sell my viacoins, that's not why I invested in the first place.  My preference is for btcdrak to put 2 simple statements on the record (probably take him about 50 seconds to type) and then we can all move on.

"I don't believe in psychology.  I believe in Good Moves."
~Bobby Fischer

I think btcdrak got it by now.
Either he's going to do it or he isn't and there's nothing you can do about it if he doesn't.
Your rant isn't making your case any better, and I would say that your credibility is dropping faster than a sledgehammer in proximity to a neutron star, for each post you put up. So do yourself and everyone else a favor and just stop... okay? just stop it.

[masternode]

It's funny that you start attacking me and my personal character when I did NOTHING shady in this entire presale; I'm extremely clear about my desires and intentions.  I'm bringing-up a legitimate concern that HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET, even if btcdrak danced-around answering it previously with half-truths (which actually looks suspicious)

My preference isn't to sell my viacoins, that's not why I invested in the first place.  My preference is for btcdrak to put 2 simple statements on the record (probably take him about 50 seconds to type) and then we can all move on.

"I don't believe in psychology.  I believe in Good Moves."
~Bobby Fischer

Exactly.  Your move is clearly not a good one.  Also, I personally could care less if he bought some.  The main reason is that I know for fact he is not the 75BTC address, as I personally know that holder.  Therefore if he's a smaller buyer, so be it.  You either gain very little from your request or you potentially lose quite a bit.

[provenceday]

our 75BTC investment may come from a hero member of bitcointalk.

he also own a lot of btc personally and do some donation to help people in war.

he is kind hearted and respectable.

[CryptoPleb]

Not saying at all that he has but if btcdrak has say 10btc worth or more, I personally dont care, I care about his skills and future development of the coin. Having said that, I actually doubt he does just from his reputation. Anyway zzz.

[provenceday]

do you know how may BTC satoshi has?

if you do not know, what should you do?

[andyge]

why the wallet not connected?

[Primitive]

why the wallet not connected?

lets please not start a troll-fest about the wallet.  the wallets are all offline at the moment.  they are also all empty, so it shouldn't be a big deal.  dev probably working on the network.

[andreibi]

It's funny that you start attacking me and my personal character when I did NOTHING shady in this entire presale; I'm extremely clear about my desires and intentions.  I'm bringing-up a legitimate concern that HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET, even if btcdrak danced-around answering it previously with half-truths (which actually looks suspicious)

My preference isn't to sell my viacoins, that's not why I invested in the first place.  My preference is for btcdrak to put 2 simple statements on the record (probably take him about 50 seconds to type) and then we can all move on.

"I don't believe in psychology.  I believe in Good Moves."
~Bobby Fischer

Exactly.  Your move is clearly not a good one.  Also, I personally could care less if he bought some.  The main reason is that I know for fact he is not the 75BTC address, as I personally know that holder.  Therefore if he's a smaller buyer, so be it.  You either gain very little from your request or you potentially lose quite a bit.

I also know @BTCDrak does not own the top wallet, in fact, he ask me if I was the one (LOL, I wish).

[AltcoinRambo]

It's funny that you start attacking me and my personal character when I did NOTHING shady in this entire presale; I'm extremely clear about my desires and intentions.  I'm bringing-up a legitimate concern that HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET, even if btcdrak danced-around answering it previously with half-truths (which actually looks suspicious)

My preference isn't to sell my viacoins, that's not why I invested in the first place.  My preference is for btcdrak to put 2 simple statements on the record (probably take him about 50 seconds to type) and then we can all move on.

"I don't believe in psychology.  I believe in Good Moves."
~Bobby Fischer

And what would such a statement solve? If you don't believe him now, why would you believe anything he'd say to placate you? Even a screenshot of his BTC wallet would prove nothing because he could have used a 2nd wallet instance. So there is really nothing to be gained here.

Either you believe that our dev has good intentions or you don't. I believe he does because I know him personally. If you don't believe he's an honest guy, then sell and stop poisoning this thread.

[forzendiablo]

got this on mailign from 1 respected blog, lets see where it goes

[IMJim]

Just heard about this coin today, anyone know when POW starts?

[Primitive]

Just heard about this coin today, anyone know when POW starts?

Read the OP and Viacoin blog.

[veritas77]

It's funny...you all changed your tone from vehement denial to:  "who cares if btcdrake invested"...lol

Okay...let's say he did invest...it doesn't make you the least bit of difference if he invested 1 BTC or 30 BTC!?  It makes a difference to me BC he's STEALING MY MONEY!  

And my point from the beginning - the "NO premine. NO instamine." would then be a 100% intentionally deceptive LIE!

It doesn't bother any of you that the dev can't take 30 seconds out of his day to make the 2 simple statements that I requested!?

 

[weedo84]

BTCDRAK,  

Lets hope Viacoin is your answer to Coinbase's article..   http://www.coindesk.com/developers-battle-bitcoin-block-chain/