[Moderated] [ANN][URO] First Urea Commodity Token: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea

[Coinasaur]

Its also quite a tell that hobopetes page now just says "over"

We see this every day in the business world. Someone makes an accusation. Someone tries to prove or disprove the accusation but finds evidence that the accusation is truth. So the accused pays off the person with the info so that they dont release it.

Im not saying this is what happened, but can someone tell me what happened there?

I think Pete just got tired with arguing with a moron. Truthful kept debating over whether or not you need a lawyer to file bankruptcy and no matter what was posted to counter that claim from both me and Pete, as in facts from the website truthful was posting, he misinterpreted legalese and still doesn't understand the mechanics of bankruptcy law. So I think Pete just got fed up and left.

Why bother trying when the facts are misunderstood.

quibbling over the aspects of bankruptcy just distracts from the real issues, but technically an individual does not need an attorney, only corporations do... even though it is pretty stupid to not hire one.

I thought he was trying to track ships and find out if the shipments are legit. Why would an argument with some guy over legalese make him stop when he was actually on to something???  Seems there is more at work than this

[corather]

Its also quite a tell that hobopetes page now just says "over"

We see this every day in the business world. Someone makes an accusation. Someone tries to prove or disprove the accusation but finds evidence that the accusation is truth. So the accused pays off the person with the info so that they dont release it.

Im not saying this is what happened, but can someone tell me what happened there?

I think Pete just got tired with arguing with a moron. Truthful kept debating over whether or not you need a lawyer to file bankruptcy and no matter what was posted to counter that claim from both me and Pete, as in facts from the website truthful was posting, he misinterpreted legalese and still doesn't understand the mechanics of bankruptcy law. So I think Pete just got fed up and left.

Why bother trying when the facts are misunderstood.

quibbling over the aspects of bankruptcy just distracts from the real issues, but technically an individual does not need an attorney, only corporations do... even though it is pretty stupid to not hire one.

I thought he was trying to track ships and find out if the shipments are legit. Why would an argument with some guy over legalese make him stop when he was actually on to something???  Seems there is more at work than this

I think you're grasping for straws.

[Coinasaur]

Its also quite a tell that hobopetes page now just says "over"

We see this every day in the business world. Someone makes an accusation. Someone tries to prove or disprove the accusation but finds evidence that the accusation is truth. So the accused pays off the person with the info so that they dont release it.

Im not saying this is what happened, but can someone tell me what happened there?

I think Pete just got tired with arguing with a moron. Truthful kept debating over whether or not you need a lawyer to file bankruptcy and no matter what was posted to counter that claim from both me and Pete, as in facts from the website truthful was posting, he misinterpreted legalese and still doesn't understand the mechanics of bankruptcy law. So I think Pete just got fed up and left.

Why bother trying when the facts are misunderstood.

quibbling over the aspects of bankruptcy just distracts from the real issues, but technically an individual does not need an attorney, only corporations do... even though it is pretty stupid to not hire one.

I thought he was trying to track ships and find out if the shipments are legit. Why would an argument with some guy over legalese make him stop when he was actually on to something???  Seems there is more at work than this

I think you're grasping for straws.

so youre telling me that someone doing important research that would be a great service to everyone who wants this information would just jump ship (like my pun?) because of a semantic argument?

I think you are the one grasping

[corather]

Its also quite a tell that hobopetes page now just says "over"

We see this every day in the business world. Someone makes an accusation. Someone tries to prove or disprove the accusation but finds evidence that the accusation is truth. So the accused pays off the person with the info so that they dont release it.

Im not saying this is what happened, but can someone tell me what happened there?

I think Pete just got tired with arguing with a moron. Truthful kept debating over whether or not you need a lawyer to file bankruptcy and no matter what was posted to counter that claim from both me and Pete, as in facts from the website truthful was posting, he misinterpreted legalese and still doesn't understand the mechanics of bankruptcy law. So I think Pete just got fed up and left.

Why bother trying when the facts are misunderstood.

quibbling over the aspects of bankruptcy just distracts from the real issues, but technically an individual does not need an attorney, only corporations do... even though it is pretty stupid to not hire one.

I thought he was trying to track ships and find out if the shipments are legit. Why would an argument with some guy over legalese make him stop when he was actually on to something???  Seems there is more at work than this

I think you're grasping for straws.

so youre telling me that someone doing important research that would be a great service to everyone who wants this information would just jump ship (like my pun?) because of a semantic argument?

I think you are the one grasping

It wasn't over semantics. You're misunderstanding. Hobopete pretty much had enough of Truthful. No matter what was presented nothing would satisfy Truthful because he's on a crusade. Only Bohan and Nelish's head on a plate will satisfy Truthful and Hobopete realized this, I could read it in his frustration of just trying to find common ground with Truthful which there isn't any because Truthful is uncommonly stupid.

[davisgreen]

Well Regarding the IPL urea Ship:

See here http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx

End of page 5 and beginning of page 6 - Four vessels have been nominated so far under the IPL
tender awards, as follows:

 Liven, m/v Majorca 60,000t from China
▪ Bary Chem, m/v Vinalines Trader 60-65,000t from China
▪ Continental, m/v APJ Mahadeva 60,000t from China
▪ Transglobe, m/v Hamgam 60,000t from Iran

And this ship is still standing here: http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/9226956/vessel:HAMGAM

Keep an eye on this one- once it moves and if it goes to ASALUYEH port . You will get the details where will it be heading to.

We still have a few days i guess.

[Coinasaur]

Well Regarding the IPL urea Ship:

See here http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx

End of page 5 and beginning of page 6 - Four vessels have been nominated so far under the IPL
tender awards, as follows:

 Liven, m/v Majorca 60,000t from China
▪ Bary Chem, m/v Vinalines Trader 60-65,000t from China
▪ Continental, m/v APJ Mahadeva 60,000t from China
▪ Transglobe, m/v Hamgam 60,000t from Iran

And this ship is still standing here: http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/9226956/vessel:HAMGAM

Keep an eye on this one- once it moves and if it goes to ASALUYEH port . You will get the details where will it be heading to.

We still have a few days i guess.

Im referring to the shipment that you said was picked up by the Mega Star from Iran two weeks ago and supposedly paid for in URO.

Are you saying that that didnt happen? I dont get it. Im not trying to FUD but all this conflicting info about which ships are carrying urea is only jumbling up any research that we can do.

Please just be more clear

For people who say that GES is not involved in this thread and does not read it, it sure seems like a few people here are getting info from GES and someone from GES is obviously having you guys place these "easter eggs" that make proving anything a wild goose chase

[Coinasaur]

I can see why truthful gets so angry tho. I posed legit concerns and questions and they were not answered but merely deflected with confusing info to seemingly bury the questions


Not to mention someone banned me from the IRC for asking why the replys from the GES email account would never answer my questions or even acknowledge the fact that I sent them a completed order request form...

If they have all of this information about me and my company/partners and affiliations with my importer, what are they doing with it?

[davisgreen]

Well Regarding the IPL urea Ship:

See here http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx

End of page 5 and beginning of page 6 - Four vessels have been nominated so far under the IPL
tender awards, as follows:

 Liven, m/v Majorca 60,000t from China
▪ Bary Chem, m/v Vinalines Trader 60-65,000t from China
▪ Continental, m/v APJ Mahadeva 60,000t from China
▪ Transglobe, m/v Hamgam 60,000t from Iran

And this ship is still standing here: http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/9226956/vessel:HAMGAM

Keep an eye on this one- once it moves and if it goes to ASALUYEH port . You will get the details where will it be heading to.

We still have a few days i guess.

Im referring to the shipment that you said was picked up by the Mega Star from Iran two weeks ago.

Are you saying that that didnt happen? I dont get it. Im not trying to FUD but all this conflicting info about which ships are carrying urea is only jumbling up any research that we can do.

Please just be more clear

For people who say that GES is not involved in this thread and does not read it, it sure seems like a few people here are getting info from GES and someone from GES is obviously having you guys place these "easter eggs" that make proving anything a wild goose chase

Hobo's research regarding MEGA STAR was totally wrong.

MEGA STAR never carried urea for IPL. I informed hobo about this through pm and next day I woke up to see that he has deleted his thread.

MEGA STAR did not carry urea for IPL instead it was a STC urea http://www.stc.gov.in
http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx  - page 6
Loadings under the STC 18 June tender are almost
complete. Aries’ first vessel, m/v Hai Lu has sailed and Rare
Earth’s vessel m/v Fratzescos is also en route for India.
Fertisul’s vessel m/v Kalpana Prem had loaded 61,000t
at presstime and was expected to complete on 1 August.
Aries’ second vessel, m/v Fu Tong, is expected to complete
loading 59,000t 1-2 August. Both suppliers asked STC for
extension of shipment date by 3-4 days. Transglobe loaded
66,000t in Iran on the Mega Star, which is showing eta 4
August in Pipavav.
http://www.stc.gov.in/Templates/UI/Views/OpenPDF.aspx?id=UREA11062014.pdf

[Coinasaur]

Hobo's research regarding MEGA STAR was totally wrong.

MEGA STAR never carried urea for IPL. I informed hobo about this through pm and next day I woke up to see that he has deleted his thread.

MEGA STAR did not carry urea for IPL instead it was a STC urea http://www.stc.gov.in
http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx  - page 6
Loadings under the STC 18 June tender are almost
complete. Aries’ first vessel, m/v Hai Lu has sailed and Rare
Earth’s vessel m/v Fratzescos is also en route for India.
Fertisul’s vessel m/v Kalpana Prem had loaded 61,000t
at presstime and was expected to complete on 1 August.
Aries’ second vessel, m/v Fu Tong, is expected to complete
loading 59,000t 1-2 August. Both suppliers asked STC for
extension of shipment date by 3-4 days. Transglobe loaded
66,000t in Iran on the Mega Star, which is showing eta 4
August in Pipavav.
http://www.stc.gov.in/Templates/UI/Views/OpenPDF.aspx?id=UREA11062014.pdf

well which one of these was the one paid for with URO? This is what we need to know

[corather]

Hobo's research regarding MEGA STAR was totally wrong.

MEGA STAR never carried urea for IPL. I informed hobo about this through pm and next day I woke up to see that he has deleted his thread.

MEGA STAR did not carry urea for IPL instead it was a STC urea http://www.stc.gov.in
http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx  - page 6
Loadings under the STC 18 June tender are almost
complete. Aries’ first vessel, m/v Hai Lu has sailed and Rare
Earth’s vessel m/v Fratzescos is also en route for India.
Fertisul’s vessel m/v Kalpana Prem had loaded 61,000t
at presstime and was expected to complete on 1 August.
Aries’ second vessel, m/v Fu Tong, is expected to complete
loading 59,000t 1-2 August. Both suppliers asked STC for
extension of shipment date by 3-4 days. Transglobe loaded
66,000t in Iran on the Mega Star, which is showing eta 4
August in Pipavav.
http://www.stc.gov.in/Templates/UI/Views/OpenPDF.aspx?id=UREA11062014.pdf

well which one of these was the one paid for with URO? This is what we need to know

That's what people are trying to find out. You want answers, do some research on your own, maybe you'll find the answer rather than waiting for others to do the work.

[corather]

I thought this might have something to do with it, but it's like trying that needle in a haystack.

http://www.infodriveindia.com/india-import-data/urea-import/fc-iran-report.aspx

[Coinasaur]

Hobo's research regarding MEGA STAR was totally wrong.

MEGA STAR never carried urea for IPL. I informed hobo about this through pm and next day I woke up to see that he has deleted his thread.

MEGA STAR did not carry urea for IPL instead it was a STC urea http://www.stc.gov.in
http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx  - page 6
Loadings under the STC 18 June tender are almost
complete. Aries’ first vessel, m/v Hai Lu has sailed and Rare
Earth’s vessel m/v Fratzescos is also en route for India.
Fertisul’s vessel m/v Kalpana Prem had loaded 61,000t
at presstime and was expected to complete on 1 August.
Aries’ second vessel, m/v Fu Tong, is expected to complete
loading 59,000t 1-2 August. Both suppliers asked STC for
extension of shipment date by 3-4 days. Transglobe loaded
66,000t in Iran on the Mega Star, which is showing eta 4
August in Pipavav.
http://www.stc.gov.in/Templates/UI/Views/OpenPDF.aspx?id=UREA11062014.pdf

well which one of these was the one paid for with URO? This is what we need to know

That's what people are trying to find out. You want answers, do some research on your own, maybe you'll find the answer rather than waiting for others to do the work.

But Bohan or Nilesh or someone who know these answers should be making it public information. Especially for people who are... scratch that, were   trying to invest like myself.

So far GES has not answered any questions I have put forth to them and I am getting the same treatment here.

Everyone is firmly claiming URO is legit without any solid proof other than all this stuff nobody can verify.

I just came back today to find out if anyone knows why the GES email account will not acknowledge me with any reply other than "invest with confidence" and to figure out if anyone knows whats the real deal with the shipping issues and I get the same thing truthful gets, without the insults at least.

Why can't people answer questions instead of resorting to saying that I should answer them myself. I don't have time for that, that's why I asked them! If nobody can answer ANY of the questions that anyone here has put forth then why or how can you guys sit there and inist that URO is worth 1mt urea? I do not understand

[corather]

Hobo's research regarding MEGA STAR was totally wrong.

MEGA STAR never carried urea for IPL. I informed hobo about this through pm and next day I woke up to see that he has deleted his thread.

MEGA STAR did not carry urea for IPL instead it was a STC urea http://www.stc.gov.in
http://www.argusmedia.com/fertilizer/~/media/files/pdfs/samples/argus-fmb-nitrogen.ashx  - page 6
Loadings under the STC 18 June tender are almost
complete. Aries’ first vessel, m/v Hai Lu has sailed and Rare
Earth’s vessel m/v Fratzescos is also en route for India.
Fertisul’s vessel m/v Kalpana Prem had loaded 61,000t
at presstime and was expected to complete on 1 August.
Aries’ second vessel, m/v Fu Tong, is expected to complete
loading 59,000t 1-2 August. Both suppliers asked STC for
extension of shipment date by 3-4 days. Transglobe loaded
66,000t in Iran on the Mega Star, which is showing eta 4
August in Pipavav.
http://www.stc.gov.in/Templates/UI/Views/OpenPDF.aspx?id=UREA11062014.pdf

well which one of these was the one paid for with URO? This is what we need to know

That's what people are trying to find out. You want answers, do some research on your own, maybe you'll find the answer rather than waiting for others to do the work.

But Bohan or Nilesh or someone who know these answers should be making it public information. Especially for people who are... scratch that, were   trying to invest like myself.

So far GES has not answered any questions I have put forth to them and I am getting the same treatment here.

Everyone is firmly claiming URO is legit without any solid proof other than all this stuff nobody can verify.

I just came back today to find out if anyone knows why the GES email account will not acknowledge me with any reply other than "invest with confidence" and to figure out if anyone knows whats the real deal with the shipping issues and I get the same thing truthful gets, without the insults at least.

Why can't people answer questions instead of resorting to saying that I should answer them myself. I don't have time for that, that's why I asked them! If nobody can answer ANY of the questions that anyone here has put forth then why or how can you guys sit there and inist that URO is worth 1mt urea? I do not understand

If you don't have time to research your investments, what are you doing investing? You're contradicting yourself. You say you're an investor and yet you don't have time to research what you're investing in. How do you make any money if you don't spend the time to follow up on your investments? You're the one trolling and accusing. I've met serious investors and they don't just sit around and read forum posts by amateurs, they actually travel to the country of origin if it's needed and do real research and learn about the industry. This isn't a western corporation. They don't have their books open for the world to see. Try investing in African coffee asking the same fooling questions and spending zero time investigating the subject and see how far you get.

Take the time, do the research, don't cop out and make it other peoples problems because you want a quick easy buck. That's all I hear from you constantly. You're lazy and rude and you just want to make money, that's all.

[davisgreen]

To buy urea with uro-

Here is what u need.

Min. 12500 uro
Anywhere between 400-700k usd for shipping cost (depending upon the port of loading and port of discharge)
Importers licence.
Lawyers
Minimum of 125k usd for offloading the the urea from the ship.

Resources to package the urea- transport it to the warehouse. (or a buyer who would buy ur urea once unloaded from the ship)

Please arrange all this, Not just 12500 uro from bittrex. And I am sure once you arrange all this you will know that u get insurance on most of the stuff in case ur urea is not delivered.

( take it as a joke ;- now show me the proof that you have all the things mentioned above and I will help you out to get your urea- without it, I am really sorry)

[codmaster]

this still makes me laugh


[/quote]

[Coinasaur]

To buy urea with uro-

Here is what u need.

Min. 12500 uro
Anywhere between 400-700k usd for shipping cost (depending upon the port of loading and port of discharge)
Importers licence.
Lawyers
Minimum of 125k usd for offloading the the urea from the ship.

Resources to package the urea- transport it to the warehouse. (or a buyer who would buy ur urea once unloaded from the ship)

Please arrange all this, Not just 12500 uro from bittrex. And I am sure once you arrange all this you will know that u get insurance on most of the stuff in case ur urea is not delivered.


( take it as a joke ;- now show me the proof that you have all the things mentioned above and I will help you out to get your urea- without it, I am really sorry)

I have already sent this information TWICE to the GES email address provided. Why the hell would I give it to you if youre not even affiliated with GES and cant even answer any simple questions? As I have stated previously, their reply both times was that I should "invest with confidence"

I provided them with very sensitive information and they cannot even give me a phone contact or a case representative.

And to reply to corather or whoever it was that said I should do my own research, I have, and am still currently trying to do just that, I have combed through every file posted and every link in this thread and still have unanswered questions. I find it rather shady that people trying to get more information by asking questions to gather more data are told that they should do it themselves.

What the fuck is this thread for if not to help people gather information?
Was it created to tell people to gather the information by themselves? I think not.
Now stop deflecting and give me some information, at least about why GES cannot give me a coherent reply after I have met every single one of their requirements, down to the importer and port for offloading and my personal passport, the links to my lawyers, with notarized copies of their affidavits stating that they represent me. What else do they want?  And more importantly what are they doing with this if they are not trying to arrange a deal with me???

[jasemoney]

Hobo's research regarding MEGA STAR was totally wrong.
*megastar info*

well which one of these was the one paid for with URO? This is what we need to know

That's what people are trying to find out. *blah*

*blah*
I just came back today to find out if anyone knows why the GES email account will not acknowledge me with any reply other than "invest with confidence" and to figure out if anyone knows whats the real deal with the shipping issues and I get the same thing truthful gets, without the insults at least.
Why can't people answer questions instead of resorting to saying that I should answer them myself. I don't have time for that, that's why I asked them! If nobody can answer ANY of the questions that anyone here has put forth then why or how can you guys sit there and inist that URO is worth 1mt urea? I do not understand

So the easter eggs are the tweets and people here are monitoring Bohan's postings on twitter, in irc, and here like hawks. Bohan acknowledged that Asaluyeh was the port the urea would be picked up from, that the urea was Iranian, and that the ship would read carrying for IPL as Rivaa was fulfilling a tender for them. Not all this information came at once. Pete spent a lot of time trying to figure it out with many others who wrongly assumed it was MegaStar.  It is a concern that GES has not given you a response, it is not a concern what boat IPL used to get urea with, as it wont prove anything, no one will ever see the sales receipt stating URO>Urea as payment, therfore no one will be entirely convinced.  its a moot point what boat is it.

*edit also please not that this threads created by the same people wondering exactly the same things as you. Some of us are vocal about it, and some are not.

[davisgreen]

This thread is mostly for the lulz.

If u seriously have some serious question then I would suggest you ask them here https://answers.launchpad.net/uro/+addquestion

( on another note- i hope you don't mind putting atleast a screenshot of the email reply you got from ges - i don't think that is too much to ask- thanks for your co-operation )

[corather]

To buy urea with uro-

Here is what u need.

Min. 12500 uro
Anywhere between 400-700k usd for shipping cost (depending upon the port of loading and port of discharge)
Importers licence.
Lawyers
Minimum of 125k usd for offloading the the urea from the ship.

Resources to package the urea- transport it to the warehouse. (or a buyer who would buy ur urea once unloaded from the ship)

Please arrange all this, Not just 12500 uro from bittrex. And I am sure once you arrange all this you will know that u get insurance on most of the stuff in case ur urea is not delivered.


( take it as a joke ;- now show me the proof that you have all the things mentioned above and I will help you out to get your urea- without it, I am really sorry)

I have already sent this information TWICE to the GES email address provided. Why the hell would I give it to you if youre not even affiliated with GES and cant even answer any simple questions? As I have stated previously, their reply both times was that I should "invest with confidence"

I provided them with very sensitive information and they cannot even give me a phone contact or a case representative.

And to reply to corather or whoever it was that said I should do my own research, I have, and am still currently trying to do just that, I have combed through every file posted and every link in this thread and still have unanswered questions. I find it rather shady that people trying to get more information by asking questions to gather more data are told that they should do it themselves.

What the fuck is this thread for if not to help people gather information?
Was it created to tell people to gather the information by themselves? I think not.
Now stop deflecting and give me some information, at least about why GES cannot give me a coherent reply after I have met every single one of their requirements, down to the importer and port for offloading and my personal passport, the links to my lawyers, with notarized copies of their affidavits stating that they represent me. What else do they want?  And more importantly what are they doing with this if they are not trying to arrange a deal with me???

Okay, I'll accept your claim as evidence. That being said have you tried to get in touch with the urocoin foundation as well? Sometimes you have to go around people to get stuff done. Bohan is directly involved as well, try sending him an email?

[bitwarrior]

"Rivaa exports ltd a leading textile import and export company based in surat ,(gujarat). India ,have under their diversification programme has planned to enter into field of fertilizers,

On 10th of july 2014 ,MR HARISH VIRMANI DIRECTOR of M/ S, RIVAA EXPORT LTD have signed contract of 25000 metric tonn of urea fertilizers with M/S, GREEN EARTH SYSTEMS , HK IMPORTATION. UREA IS THE WORLDS MOST WIDELY USED FERTILIZERS AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE THAN 50% of world food production.

"RIVAA SUPPORTS UROCOIN"



Is this post from Rivaa old or something everyone already knew about?

Yes this has been known since it was posted.

This too as well with GES and Lakhani Enterprise from Pakistan

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/aman-lakhani/66/b01/9b6

Starting in August 2014. With the support of family business est. more than 30years ago, Lakhani Enterprise is now successfully importing urea into Pakistan, aid of Urocoin.

Bump.