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October 17, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
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We have made plans on how to implement this, and will develop the scheme in public. Once we have done so, we will switch the site to my control where every outcome is guaranteed fair. I will outline the technical details of the scheme further, but it is based on the early work of Dooglus in this very thread.

You mean the following PF suggestion by dooglus? It looks great to me. Smiley

The site isn't really provably fair. Each "game" you pick how far the multiplier is going to go before the game crashes. You provide a hash of that number, so we can be sure you picked it in advance.
Yeah, that's correct -- I definitely should acknowledge it. Due to the nature of the game, I'm not sure it's even possible to be fully provably fair.
I had an idea about that. Publish the algorithm by which you come up with each game's multiplier. Presumably it will be seeded somehow. Pick a random seed that you will use for game 1 billion. sha256 hash it to get the seed you will use for the game before that, and so on. Each games seed is the sha256 hash of the game that comes after it. So you have a billion-long chain of sha256 hashes. Before each game you publish the hash of the current game's seed, which allows everyone to verify all the previous games but none of the future games. Now you can't be accused of rigging the outcomes.
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October 17, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
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100 BTC it seems.

It seems? What are you basing it on?

I think it means
someone has won the auction (buying moneypot) with BTC 100 purchase

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October 17, 2014, 08:58:25 PM
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100 BTC it seems.

It seems? What are you basing it on?

I think it means
someone has won the auction (buying moneypot) with BTC 100 purchase

Probably a shill, so the site is open to scam and Eric got freaked out cause he see that is where the money is at, but he is using his own name.  

Sell it, scam them, skip home scott free.

Time will tell.

Edit:

I just don't see:

A: Why Eric lists it 5mins before DMF and them dip out.
B: Why someone would increase a bid from 39BTC to 100btc.... sureeeeeee haha

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Last edit: October 17, 2014, 09:46:21 PM by BBmmBB
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100 BTC it seems.

It seems? What are you basing it on?

I think it means
someone has won the auction (buying moneypot) with BTC 100 purchase

Probably a shill, so the site is open to scam and Eric got freaked out cause he see that is where the money is at, but he is using his own name.  

Sell it, scam them, skip home scott free.

Time will tell.

Edit:

I just don't see:

A: Why Eric lists it 5mins before DMF and them dip out.
B: Why someone would increase a bid from 39BTC to 100btc.... sureeeeeee haha


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October 17, 2014, 09:51:41 PM
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100 BTC it seems.

It seems? What are you basing it on?

I think it means
someone has won the auction (buying moneypot) with BTC 100 purchase

Probably a shill, so the site is open to scam and Eric got freaked out cause he see that is where the money is at, but he is using his own name.  

Sell it, scam them, skip home scott free.

Time will tell.

Edit:

I just don't see:

A: Why Eric lists it 5mins before DMF and them dip out.
B: Why someone would increase a bid from 39BTC to 100btc.... sureeeeeee haha


Was it the same guy who bid 39 btc at first? and then increased it to 100?

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October 17, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
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I am going to try this out, since the other copycat guy made one I want to try the original. Smiley

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October 18, 2014, 05:04:08 AM
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I had an idea about that. Publish the algorithm by which you come up with each game's multiplier. Presumably it will be seeded somehow. Pick a random seed that you will use for game 1 billion. sha256 hash it to get the seed you will use for the game before that, and so on. Each games seed is the sha256 hash of the game that comes after it. So you have a billion-long chain of sha256 hashes. Before each game you publish the hash of the current game's seed, which allows everyone to verify all the previous games but none of the future games. Now you can't be accused of rigging the outcomes.

I used to use them for their secret. They publish one every hour. I need one that does it every minute (or more often).

The problem is with compromised secrets. But you know what, this very idea could prove useful for the "audit server" idea (the one about provable fairness for investors) but again it limits the speed of the game to as fast as the "audit server" can spit out the seeds.

I think I'm going to do a hybrid of this and something else.

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October 18, 2014, 05:17:17 AM
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This game is a ton of fun. Smiley
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October 18, 2014, 05:23:21 AM
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I had an idea about that. Publish the algorithm by which you come up with each game's multiplier. Presumably it will be seeded somehow. Pick a random seed that you will use for game 1 billion. sha256 hash it to get the seed you will use for the game before that, and so on. Each games seed is the sha256 hash of the game that comes after it. So you have a billion-long chain of sha256 hashes. Before each game you publish the hash of the current game's seed, which allows everyone to verify all the previous games but none of the future games. Now you can't be accused of rigging the outcomes.

I used to use them for their secret.

I know what you're talking about, but I doubt many other people do.

I was talking about the site generating its own chain of hashes, not using one known by a third party.

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October 18, 2014, 05:33:01 AM
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I had an idea about that. Publish the algorithm by which you come up with each game's multiplier. Presumably it will be seeded somehow. Pick a random seed that you will use for game 1 billion. sha256 hash it to get the seed you will use for the game before that, and so on. Each games seed is the sha256 hash of the game that comes after it. So you have a billion-long chain of sha256 hashes. Before each game you publish the hash of the current game's seed, which allows everyone to verify all the previous games but none of the future games. Now you can't be accused of rigging the outcomes.

I used to use them for their secret.

I know what you're talking about, but I doubt many other people do.

I was talking about the site generating its own chain of hashes, not using one known by a third party.

Is it some kind of node?
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October 18, 2014, 05:44:01 AM
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Is it some kind of node?

LBAAT (little bit at a time) is a service which publishes a new hash at regular intervals. It can be used to send coins (or messages) into the future" (such that they can only be spend (or read) after the date you specify.

See https://lbaat.net/

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October 18, 2014, 12:10:25 PM
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This game is fun but not very glamorous Smiley

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October 18, 2014, 03:04:23 PM
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This site sucks. I hate it.
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October 18, 2014, 08:16:49 PM
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This site sucks. I hate it.
I hated it a little when I lost 0.03 but not really anymore.

I started writing down the crash numbers while I was betting. Here is the list:

Code:
Moneypot games

1.19
1.15
2.37
11.14
5.49
2.87
6.84
1.18      ---Scroll Down for the massive 1's streak---
3.37
2.88
2.10
19.94
3.00
2.56
1.93
1.05
1.12
1.25
1.08
3.48
6.93
1.92
1.63
9.03
4.64    _
1.69      |
1.65      |
1.10      |
1.25      |
1.22      |-- WTF?!??
1.89      |
1.09      |
1.42      |
1.01      |
1.14    _|
7.34
1.14
2.21
1.16
2.06
1.43
1.21
2.59
1.54
1.95
1.54
1.95
1.12
1.54
1.11
3.22
10.43
7.30
1.06
1.10
26.33
1.60
227.55
9.30
1.75
1.02
3.34
400.50
3.40
1.47
1.00
1.20
1.17
1.78
3.28
1.29
1.48
3.79
2.95
1.98
2.45
1.30
1.00
1.80

There is a lot of 1's

The only strategy I can actually see possibly beating the system is to bet a small amount and then wait for the multiplier to go up to a number where you win back your previous losses. Such a strategy could have worked in the above list when the multiplier went to 400. It could have refunded the last 400 games if you lost.
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October 18, 2014, 08:25:34 PM
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Code:
4.64    _
1.69      |
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1.89      |
1.09      |
1.42      |
1.01      |
1.14    _|
That crash list is quite normal if you ask me. Have seen it happen so many times.

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October 18, 2014, 08:56:30 PM
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That crash list is quite normal if you ask me. Every 1 out of 2 games is under 2. So getting a 5 1.xx streak is the same as a 5 loss on martingale. Nothing big, right?

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The crashes are somewhat annoying.
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October 18, 2014, 11:41:29 PM
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The crashes are somewhat annoying.

I wonder if they would be willing to make a version without the crashes. So you can just cash out at whatever multiplier you want.

That would rock.

While you're at it, ask Stunna if he'll make a version of PrimeDice where every bet wins.

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October 19, 2014, 12:26:16 AM
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The crashes are somewhat annoying.

I wonder if they would be willing to make a version without the crashes. So you can just cash out at whatever multiplier you want.

That would rock.

While you're at it, ask Stunna if he'll make a version of PrimeDice where every bet wins.


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