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March 12, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
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Im starting to play here more. i think i can break the house BR 3 weeks from now

you are known as a whale for video poker in few casino sites, wonder how will your journey in here goes, Dont get addicted with the sites, when you are addicted with it you will surely get up more lost than what you win  :p just a friendly advice anyway


lol video poker i play as a hobby.

I play dice, bj, poker, sportsbetting. been doing it for 22 years now

Yep indeed, saw your name all over this gambling boards and it seems that you are quite lucky considering your winning from a few sites, wonder how will your journey in moneypot goes since this sites is quite different than the another


ive been "lucky" for 22 years now. never had a losing year
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March 12, 2015, 11:12:40 PM
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I got very lucky a couple months ago with the bits I got from a faucet on the site. I got like 4x my deposit and I was very happy, except I made like 0.00001 btc... Imagine if I deposited 1 btc, I would have had 4btc. Great site though

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March 12, 2015, 11:13:19 PM
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Im starting to play here more. i think i can break the house BR 3 weeks from now

you are known as a whale for video poker in few casino sites, wonder how will your journey in here goes, Dont get addicted with the sites, when you are addicted with it you will surely get up more lost than what you win  :p just a friendly advice anyway


lol video poker i play as a hobby.

I play dice, bj, poker, sportsbetting. been doing it for 22 years now

Yep indeed, saw your name all over this gambling boards and it seems that you are quite lucky considering your winning from a few sites, wonder how will your journey in moneypot goes since this sites is quite different than the another


ive been "lucky" for 22 years now. never had a losing year


lol, then you are the luckest person I ever met  Wink Grin

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March 12, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
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I think my  main gripes now are simply that you can't fix the units easily.  You either have to keep a "bits" to BTC conversion program open in another window, or just throw out all notions of BTC and imagine that "bits" are a thing.

When you see 'bits', think 'uBTC' and you'll be fine. They are the same. Millionths of a bitcoin.

If I imagine that thousands of "bits" are mBTC I can sorta get by.  Still, it doesn't explain why this website invents a new and obnoxious unit and won't let us set the right units in our preferences.

Just imagine that 1 bit = 1 uBTC.

Ok, that's a good point, but I still don't understand why the website doesn't want to fix the problem so that people can use the units they want.  You already have to sign in, why not let people annoyed by the "bits" lingo turn it off?

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MoneyPot didn't invest 'bits' as a synonym for uBTC, it just adopted the practice. I could make a bunch of screenshots of its use around the web, but you could just go visit the sites. People have given you enough examples of popular sites that use it.

The free gift at moneypot is 2 uBTC, or 2 bits. The general public isn't comfortable with SI prefixed. Sure they mostly get that "kilo" means a thousand, but that's about it. You would be surprised how many people don't know the difference between "milli" and "micro". They're both small, right? And why do people sometimes write the u in uBTC in a weird way? And why 'u' anyway when it sounds like it's spelled with an 'm'? And so on.

I think that people use u for micro because usual abbreviation for micro is mu and lower-case mu looks a little like a u with a tail on the left (so at some point 'u' became something like an ascii mu, I guess).

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They could have used BTC, but then the free gift is 0.000002 BTC. At a glance that is pretty hard to distinguish from 0.00002 BTC or 0.0000002 BTC. Nobody wants to be counting zeroes all the time. And so we were stuck: we either use silly long strings of zeroes which aren't overly intuitive, or we use Greek prefixes which are easily confused. That's why "bit" makes sense. It's a shame that it's such an overloaded word. It even already has many conflicting monetary meanings but it's more approachable for most people than the other commonly used alternatives.

I think that my main gripe about it is that its such an overloaded word, especially in the context of bitcoin where we send transaction and the size of that transaction in bits affects the transaction fee we usually pay.

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So there's the kind of weirdness I'm talking about.  This guy says multiply BTC x100 and that will be your amount in satoshis!  WTF!  I appreciate that the dev of the game seemed to admit that he needs to do this.  I'm not sure how this "bits" thing got started or why he says that other sites are using it (I've only seen it here).  But it *is* really embarrassing.  I don't think I'll play more until the units get fixed.

It's hard to tell whether you're playing dumb for effect or not. I'm sure you must understand already.

He was saying that "x bits" is the same value as "100x satoshis", since each bit is 100 satoshis. The first place I saw "bits" mentioned was in this reddit post from 27 Nov 2013. (Or Nov 27 2013. Or 2013-11-27. I'm not sure which one true date format you believe in). I don't know if that's where it got started. Ryan is presumably saying that other sites use it because other sites use it. I see it regularly. Most recently I read a blog post from bitpay about their new "Bitcore Wallet Suite" which uses the concept of bits as a synonym for uBTC throughout.

Moneypot has defined a unit "bits" which is equal to 100 satoshis.  I've finally learned this although I can't imagine why this is helpful to anyone.

Moneypot didn't define the unit. It was a term in use before Moneypot ever existed.

Hopefully my rambling post has helped you understand the problem that "bits" are intended to solve.

I guess you may be right that they didn't define this unit but they happen to be the only site where I've seen it in use (perhaps I'm just underexposed to certain sites).  I think I could see your issue about counting zeros except that if for some reason uBTC is too opaque then you could just use Satoshis, which is straightforward.

Again, I think that given how easy it is when you already have to let people create profiles and establish preferences, to simply set their own prefered units, it's hard to understand why this site tries to enforce such a funky perspective on bitcoin.  I find it confusing and I hope they fix it.

Thanks, indeed, for the long post (I hadn't seen it before you pointed me to it).
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March 12, 2015, 11:34:51 PM
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i think playing on this game need good choice

when we need to stop and when not to, because it will test our patience...

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March 13, 2015, 12:08:15 AM
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Im starting to play here more. i think i can break the house BR 3 weeks from now

you are known as a whale for video poker in few casino sites, wonder how will your journey in here goes, Dont get addicted with the sites, when you are addicted with it you will surely get up more lost than what you win  :p just a friendly advice anyway


lol video poker i play as a hobby.

I play dice, bj, poker, sportsbetting. been doing it for 22 years now

Yep indeed, saw your name all over this gambling boards and it seems that you are quite lucky considering your winning from a few sites, wonder how will your journey in moneypot goes since this sites is quite different than the another


ive been "lucky" for 22 years now. never had a losing year


lol, then you are the luckest person I ever met  Wink Grin


yeah i was thinking it wasnt lucky, but something else
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March 13, 2015, 12:15:09 AM
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Welcome to the site Omaha, come talk to me if you see me in chat. Would be nice to meet you.
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March 13, 2015, 12:55:37 AM
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ahh moneypot i like it, i have farming btc there.
sometimes it hard to win, but sometimes it so easy winning.
just like what is real gambler did lol.

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March 13, 2015, 01:06:37 AM
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ahh moneypot i like it, i have farming btc there.
sometimes it hard to win, but sometimes it so easy winning.
just like what is real gambler did lol.

Glad you like the site Cheesy
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March 13, 2015, 02:03:55 AM
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Im starting to play here more. i think i can break the house BR 3 weeks from now

you are known as a whale for video poker in few casino sites, wonder how will your journey in here goes, Dont get addicted with the sites, when you are addicted with it you will surely get up more lost than what you win  :p just a friendly advice anyway


lol video poker i play as a hobby.

I play dice, bj, poker, sportsbetting. been doing it for 22 years now

Yep indeed, saw your name all over this gambling boards and it seems that you are quite lucky considering your winning from a few sites, wonder how will your journey in moneypot goes since this sites is quite different than the another


ive been "lucky" for 22 years now. never had a losing year


lol, then you are the luckest person I ever met  Wink Grin


I met a few people in my life who are like that. They are actually very successful and make their living gambling.

I think what seperates us from them is how they deal with risk and emotions and greed. Most people get greedy and fearful and thats why they go broke.
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March 13, 2015, 02:32:05 AM
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Greed is why so many people bust. It's human nature.
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March 13, 2015, 04:08:22 AM
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i want to play this game but i dont understand , i always lost on this site, make 0.01 to zero balance what a shitty and unlucky day  Cry
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March 13, 2015, 04:56:01 AM
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Greed is why so many people bust. It's human nature.

What do you mean by greed?? Because this guy has been greedy for 20 years and did not lose, its all about luck amd skill

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March 13, 2015, 06:49:54 AM
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Greed is why so many people bust. It's human nature.

What do you mean by greed?? Because this guy has been greedy for 20 years and did not lose, its all about luck amd skill
I didnt mean Omaha in particular, I was mostly talking about people in general. The people that go "Just one more bet" or "When i get x.xx BTC I will quit". That is probably one of the purest definitions of greed as far as gambling goes. I am also guilty of this Tongue
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March 13, 2015, 07:02:20 AM
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 I love that greed , that greed keeps gambling afloat , thats how we can still play. If there was no greed , the gambling industury would crumple and we would never be abel to gamble again because it wouldn't be profitable for them as well. So , yeeey greed.
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 I love that greed , that greed keeps gambling afloat , thats how we can still play. If there was no greed , the gambling industury would crumple and we would never be abel to gamble again because it wouldn't be profitable for them as well. So , yeeey greed.

Well, with that logic, yay for greed I suppose!
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March 13, 2015, 07:01:36 PM
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Ok, that's a good point, but I still don't understand why the website doesn't want to fix the problem so that people can use the units they want.  You already have to sign in, why not let people annoyed by the "bits" lingo turn it off?

I think Ryan's busy with bigger things. He's working on "Vault" which will be some kind of general purpose wallet/bankroll/gamble-server/investment thing. He seems to have a habit of going depth-first and expanding the spec of the project until it's too big to complete. Smiley

I think that people use u for micro because usual abbreviation for micro is mu and lower-case mu looks a little like a u with a tail on the left (so at some point 'u' became something like an ascii mu, I guess).

Yes, they do. But it's hardly intuitive. You shouldn't need to know anything about Greek letters for the monetary units you use to make sense. I'm sure the majority of people wouldn't be able to tell you what the u in uBTC meant.

I think that my main gripe about it is that its such an overloaded word, especially in the context of bitcoin where we send transaction and the size of that transaction in bits affects the transaction fee we usually pay.

That's weak. It's the size in bytes that matters. Or thousands of bytes. But again, most people won't even know about that. Their wallet will tell them how big the fee needs to be and they'll click 'OK'. Or it won't even ask them and will just include the fee silently. What you need to remember is that most people aren't like you and I. They don't care about the details, and are positively turned off by them.

I guess you may be right that they didn't define this unit but they happen to be the only site where I've seen it in use (perhaps I'm just underexposed to certain sites).  I think I could see your issue about counting zeros except that if for some reason uBTC is too opaque then you could just use Satoshis, which is straightforward.

Again, I think that given how easy it is when you already have to let people create profiles and establish preferences, to simply set their own prefered units, it's hard to understand why this site tries to enforce such a funky perspective on bitcoin.  I find it confusing and I hope they fix it.

Thanks, indeed, for the long post (I hadn't seen it before you pointed me to it).

Satoshis is probably a decent choice for unit size too, except it's so tiny and indivisible. I like bits (or uBTC) because they are divisible into 100 pieces, like like a dollar is. That's what people are used to their money being like.

Currently we have around 3000 bits to the dollar. That's a reasonable number to get your head around I think. Contrast that to 300000 satoshis to the dollar. The extra two digits make it hard to read - you have to count the digits to get an idea of how big the number is, whereas 3000 you can just glance at.

I doubt you'll ever change your mind about it - I just wanted to try to help you understand what people like about 'bits'...

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March 13, 2015, 07:46:50 PM
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 You know a game is great if doog is defending it.
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March 13, 2015, 08:03:33 PM
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Yeah if you play sensibly then it is the best site to make some money. Gambling is unpredictable but then too on moneypot you cab make some nice amount.
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Yeah, a lot of sites are great for short-term profit. You just need to know when to quit.
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