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Looks like a near full house, just need to document for SPR. Looks like I need to create a github account. When it gets closer, PM details of any costs. As a first step I would be happy if someone could just build linux 32/64bit binaries using gitian, complete with signatures etc... and create a tutorial / video explaining how he did it. We can then have other people reproduce the build process and see if they end up with the same signatures. That would be the idea behind trusted binaries. Later we can then try this with windows/mac binaries.
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Is the plan to stick with SpreadX11? If so (booo! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) I'm quite tempted to put some effort into a SPR multipool.
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April 20, 2015, 01:19:56 PM |
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Is the plan to stick with SpreadX11? If so (booo! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) I'm quite tempted to put some effort into a SPR multipool. A few rigs all ready and lined up ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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April 20, 2015, 01:47:51 PM |
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As a first step I would be happy if someone could just build linux 32/64bit binaries using gitian, complete with signatures etc... and create a tutorial / video explaining how he did it.
You're not the only one hoping for a visit from the software fairy. But even so, what you're wishing for won't help anyone much. It's not the process of compiling the linux binaries that typically presents problems, the nightmare is in the identification of the precise population of the architecture- and version-specific support libraries that are required for the successful compilation/execution of Windows and Mac binaries for different versions of the respective OSes/architectures. The process is so involved and time-consuming (typically, days of trial-and-error compilation required) that those who've been consistently successful are obliged to amortize the cost commercially by selling the service. It's not rocket surgery and I'd be quite prepared to take a stab, except that it'd be a week/fortnight's work in return for a grand sum of about $5. It just doesn't make economic sense unless I can amortize the cost in a sustainable way. Those looking to a future for the SPR blockchain have few options: crowdfund a commercial solution or pitch in individually on a volunteer basis either to build OS-specific binaries on their own platforms and find a solution for the distribution and liability issues (the most significant barrier) or fund their generation by a limited-liability commercial service. In short, the collectively-chosen product option does not include support for gitian builds, this is an optional extra with an associated additional cost aimed at providing some liability protection for the publisher from “your binary lost my 3.5 million SPR, you’ll be hearing from my lawyer”. Lots of angles change dramatically when the business plan is taken seriously; volunteers receive scant protection and in consequence are extremely vulnerable to vexatious assumptions of liability. By contrast, those who provide limited-liability commercial solutions are well-protected and vulnerable only to liabilities arising from their own malfeasance. Cheers Graham
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April 20, 2015, 02:07:32 PM |
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As a first step I would be happy if someone could just build linux 32/64bit binaries using gitian, complete with signatures etc... and create a tutorial / video explaining how he did it.
You're not the only one hoping for a visit from the software fairy. But even so, what you're wishing for won't help anyone much. It's not the process of compiling the linux binaries that typically presents problems, the nightmare is in the identification of the precise population of the architecture- and version-specific support libraries that are required for the successful compilation/execution of Windows and Mac binaries for different versions of the respective OSes/architectures. The process is so involved and time-consuming (typically, days of trial-and-error compilation required) that those who've been consistently successful are obliged to amortize the cost commercially by selling the service. It's not rocket surgery and I'd be quite prepared to take a stab, except that it'd be a week/fortnight's work in return for a grand sum of about $5. It just doesn't make economic sense unless I can amortize the cost in a sustainable way. Those looking to a future for the SPR blockchain have few options: crowdfund a commercial solution or pitch in individually on a volunteer basis either to build OS-specific binaries on their own platforms and find a solution for the distribution and liability issues (the most significant barrier) or fund their generation by a limited-liability commercial service. In short, the collectively-chosen product option does not include support for gitian builds, this is an optional extra with an associated additional cost aimed at providing some liability protection for the publisher from “your binary lost my 3.5 million SPR, you’ll be hearing from my lawyer”. Lots of angles change dramatically when the business plan is taken seriously; volunteers receive scant protection and in consequence are extremely vulnerable to vexatious assumptions of liability. By contrast, those who provide limited-liability commercial solutions are well-protected and vulnerable only to liabilities arising from their own malfeasance. Cheers Graham So how does bitcoin do it? Who is responsible / liable for the gitian-built wallets you can download at bitcoin.org? Isn't the MIT license handling exactly the things you are so afraid of? http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.phpMost important part of this license: "THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND"
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April 20, 2015, 02:17:11 PM |
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So how does bitcoin do it? Who is responsible / liable for the gitian-built wallets you can download at bitcoin.org? Isn't the MIT license handling exactly the things you are so afraid of? http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.phpMost important part of this license: "THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND"I bow to your superior knowledge. Cheers Graham
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April 20, 2015, 02:25:08 PM |
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I bow to your superior knowledge.
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Bend the Knee! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) just kidding!
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April 20, 2015, 02:43:57 PM |
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-snip- HTH
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Cheers, makes sense now. Thought Vertoe and MrSpread were related. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I'm Mrs. Spread j/k....
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April 20, 2015, 03:22:59 PM |
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-snip- HTH
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Cheers, makes sense now. Thought Vertoe and MrSpread were related. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I'm Mrs. Spread j/k.... You didn't happen to go through a divorce, mid feb? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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April 20, 2015, 03:44:09 PM |
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-snip- HTH
Cheers
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Cheers, makes sense now. Thought Vertoe and MrSpread were related. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I'm Mrs. Spread j/k.... You didn't happen to go through a divorce, mid feb? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) ROTFL. The tears are still flowing ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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April 20, 2015, 03:47:28 PM |
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So who is developing this right now?
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So who is developing this right now?
From the second from last update DevsGeorgem gjhiggins elbandi Gladimor ( TBC) A-Russo MrSpread (MIA) Technical & Occasionale1ghtSpace chrysophylax Chup thelonecrouton Support and project development contributorsMinerpage njs811 defunctec Coins101 AnotherNode MyFarm (MIA) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg10991724#msg10991724
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April 20, 2015, 04:54:11 PM |
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-snip- HTH
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Cheers, makes sense now. Thought Vertoe and MrSpread were related. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I'm Mrs. Spread j/k.... You didn't happen to go through a divorce, mid feb? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) ROTFL. The tears are still flowing ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Perhaps a baby Spread on the way?
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DevsGeorgem gjhigginselbandi Gladimor ( TBC) A-Russo MrSpread (MIA) I seem to be doing more harm than good. Cheers Graham
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DevsGeorgem gjhigginselbandi Gladimor ( TBC) A-Russo MrSpread (MIA) I seem to be doing more harm than good. Cheers Graham I don't think the comment about licensing and project liabilities was meant in any negative way. As a first step I would be happy if someone could just build linux 32/64bit binaries using gitian, complete with signatures etc... and create a tutorial / video explaining how he did it.
You're not the only one hoping for a visit from the software fairy. But even so, what you're wishing for won't help anyone much. It's not the process of compiling the linux binaries that typically presents problems, the nightmare is in the identification of the precise population of the architecture- and version-specific support libraries that are required for the successful compilation/execution of Windows and Mac binaries for different versions of the respective OSes/architectures. The process is so involved and time-consuming (typically, days of trial-and-error compilation required) that those who've been consistently successful are obliged to amortize the cost commercially by selling the service. It's not rocket surgery and I'd be quite prepared to take a stab, except that it'd be a week/fortnight's work in return for a grand sum of about $5. It just doesn't make economic sense unless I can amortize the cost in a sustainable way. Those looking to a future for the SPR blockchain have few options: crowdfund a commercial solution or pitch in individually on a volunteer basis either to build OS-specific binaries on their own platforms and find a solution for the distribution and liability issues (the most significant barrier) or fund their generation by a limited-liability commercial service. In short, the collectively-chosen product option does not include support for gitian builds, this is an optional extra with an associated additional cost aimed at providing some liability protection for the publisher from “your binary lost my 3.5 million SPR, you’ll be hearing from my lawyer”. Lots of angles change dramatically when the business plan is taken seriously; volunteers receive scant protection and in consequence are extremely vulnerable to vexatious assumptions of liability. By contrast, those who provide limited-liability commercial solutions are well-protected and vulnerable only to liabilities arising from their own malfeasance. Cheers Graham So how does bitcoin do it? Who is responsible / liable for the gitian-built wallets you can download at bitcoin.org? Isn't the MIT license handling exactly the things you are so afraid of?http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.phpMost important part of this license: "THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND"
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I don't think the comment about licensing and project liabilities was meant in any negative way.
Me neither. It wasn't a rage quit, I shouldn't really have been on the list in the first place. Originally, I punted some stuff at Mr Spread and he picked some holes in it. palmdetroit cleaned it up and issued a pull which Mr Spread accepted. Hardly rates as “dev” status, so when the dev list was posted including my name, I debated with myself whether I ought to withdraw at that point, decided that such an action could easily be misconstrued as having negative connotations and decided to correct it later when things had settled a bit. Today's reposting reminded me and I gave a ironically self-deprecating reason obliquely referencing the fact that I'd wound up georgem, without actually gaining anything. And I'm not really in a position to devote the time, I'm overdue getting back to documenting DOACC and developing Minkiz content. Cheers Graham
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I don't think the comment about licensing and project liabilities was meant in any negative way.
-snip- And I'm not really in a position to devote the time, I'm overdue getting back to documenting DOACC and developing Minkiz content. Cheers Graham Damn, this thread is starting to heat up and get addictive. Hopefully, we'll have some servicenode testing in the not too distant future to distract you again ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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DevsGeorgem gjhigginselbandi Gladimor ( TBC) A-Russo MrSpread (MIA) I seem to be doing more harm than good. Cheers Graham How so? I always appreciate your comments and your contributions. Always reminding me that I could be forgetting something important. Stick around!
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