[SHUTTING DOWN] [DiceBitco.in | BE THE BANK ! | 1% House Edge]

[kinnnn]

One user asked for a screenshot of the code that introduced this. Well here it is: http://imgur.com/bATFWPI

Now im not sure if this really means anything, but if you view the exif data on that picture this is the date it was taken "2014:06:04 11:26:39" So that picture was taken about 3 months ago. But somehow you just recently found the code?

[mvalley]

Wow, this is so super shady. I withdrew my entire investment.

[smalltimer50]

One user asked for a screenshot of the code that introduced this. Well here it is: http://imgur.com/bATFWPI

Now im not sure if this really means anything, but if you view the exif data on that picture this is the date it was taken "2014:06:04 11:26:39" So that picture was taken about 3 months ago. But somehow you just recently found the code?

Oh boy, can someone verify this? Ouch.

[dooglus]

One user asked for a screenshot of the code that introduced this. Well here it is: http://imgur.com/bATFWPI

Now im not sure if this really means anything, but if you view the exif data on that picture this is the date it was taken "2014:06:04 11:26:39" So that picture was taken about 3 months ago. But somehow you just recently found the code?

Exchangeable image file format (officially Exif, not EXIF according to JEIDA/JEITA/CIPA specifications) is a standard that specifies the formats for images, sound, and ancillary tags used by digital cameras (including smartphones), scanners and other systems handling image and sound files recorded by digital cameras. [...] It is not supported in JPEG 2000, PNG, or GIF.

Screenshots typically don't have Exif data, and this one was in PNG format.

[kinnnn]

One user asked for a screenshot of the code that introduced this. Well here it is: http://imgur.com/bATFWPI

Now im not sure if this really means anything, but if you view the exif data on that picture this is the date it was taken "2014:06:04 11:26:39" So that picture was taken about 3 months ago. But somehow you just recently found the code?

Exchangeable image file format (officially Exif, not EXIF according to JEIDA/JEITA/CIPA specifications) is a standard that specifies the formats for images, sound, and ancillary tags used by digital cameras (including smartphones), scanners and other systems handling image and sound files recorded by digital cameras. [...] It is not supported in JPEG 2000, PNG, or GIF.

Screenshots typically don't have Exif data, and this one was in PNG format.

hmm well I uploaded it to this site http://exifdata.com/exif.php , and  http://metapicz.com/#landing    and both sites gave me that date when i uploaded them .

[DiceBitcoin]

We are 2 devs, me and gerry. The 3rd guy, which was hired almost 3 weeks ago and went into production around 10 days ago, was hired to mainly help gerry with the code. There are so many features we wanted to push and fixes to address, mainly on the Admin side of the site(backend).

I talk with toad on chat all the time, and occasionally we talk about things. For me devs = owners, and not employees. Want to crucify me for this also? Fine.

To address what Stunna said: You are wrong. I could disappear and no one could find me. There were SO MANY ways i could make a killing out of it. CHEATING THE NONCE?? LIKE REALLY?

what is the most likely thing a user would do when he loses? VERIFY his bets. Putting a cheat there so obvious and open is SO dumb, that i have no words to express it. Someone asked why we dont expose the guy which we hired, for the simple fact that we met him in real life. Exposing him could expose us as well. Not gonna happen.

Either if you like it or not, I will keep the site open and functional. People can judge how I am treating this situation, and make their own verdicts. Long story short : yes we fucked up. Yes it was our mistake. YES, we didnt run with the Bank Roll, even if by the looks of it site is seriously in trouble.

Judge people from their fuckups for once, and how they deal with them. Everyone does mistakes. I agree, some mistakes bigger than others(and some others HUGE like this one).

Chat is closed for now, its just creates havoc and non stop spam. Please send a support ticket if you have any issue. All tickets will be answered(provide as many details as possible).
 
Back to 2 devs anyways now.

For the record: 5300 BTCs paid out today.

[smalltimer50]

Just to point out. The rolls started being fair soon after I posted about them on PRC and DB. And I figured the site devs had read the chart and fixed the bug. If this was the case, then clearly manl knew the reason behind that happening and was able to fix it immediately.

Or the mystery employee saw you talking about it and turned your doomswitch off...

I asked the dice.ninja admin when the chat about not having any other developers happened:

16:32 dmf 1 1409885702
16:32 dooglus 176 thanks
16:32 dooglus 176 that's Thu Sep 4 19:55:02 2014 Pacific

So getting on for 70 hours ago.

Manl, why don't you respond to this? You magically forgot you had a new hire 70 hours earlier? Give me a break.  

[finnile]

Thanks for checking on the chat Doog.
Also, after manl refused to pay people who lost due to the bug but were profitable, I asked him why did he not let the investors face the loss rather than the gamblers who lost it unfairly.



But if he still expects the site to continue after this incident, he should definitely look into a plan to repay the people who lost money due to the bug(maybe in a month's time). As No gamblers would also mean no investors, hence No Site.

[dooglus]

I have been effected by this bug it seems, I will edit this post and post screenshots of each bet.
41235147   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   43.7669   -0.00000000
40303808   4.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   16.9612   -4.00000000
40298916   4.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   27.6732   -4.00000000
40296805   2.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   34.8482   -2.00000000
40296789   2.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   28.5250   -2.00000000
40296778   2.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   79.2242   -2.00000000
40161327   4.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   84.6455   -4.00000000
40156138   3.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   33.7365   -3.00000000
40156117   4.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   48.8824   -4.00000000
40156079   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   18.7159   -2.00000000
40155389   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   75.4344   -1.00000000
40143735   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   74.9338   -1.00000000
40143701   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   74.6017   -2.00000000
40143529   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   37.0200   -2.00000000
40126175   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   11.8696   -0.50000000
40126167   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   45.0481   -0.50000000
40125973   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   56.0960   -0.50000000
40125956   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   72.2778   -0.50000000
40125878   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   29.6848   -0.50000000
40125765   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   10.4268   -0.50000000
40114869   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   20.2174   -0.20000000
40114862   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   98.2097   -0.20000000
40114855   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   66.6403   -0.20000000
40114847   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   32.7034   -0.20000000
40114840   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   17.8090   -0.20000000
40114830   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   11.5631   -0.20000000
40114821   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   63.8103   -0.20000000
40114778   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   20.1408   -0.20000000
40114754   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   54.8034   -0.20000000
40114706   0.10000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   25.7128   -0.10000000
40114590   0.10000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   87.5895   -0.10000000
40090065   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   54.7736   -0.00000000
40074510   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   81.8926   -0.00000000
40069425   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   66.0740   -0.00000000
40069157   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   56.4644   -0.00000000
40068066   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   36.8424   -0.00000000
40064545   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   40.8721   -0.00000000
40059935   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   44.9864   -0.00000000
40035706   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   24.8266   -0.00000000
40032985   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   86.7231   -0.00000000
40002267   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   38.1810   -0.00000000
39935128   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   3.7214   +8.90000000
39934966   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   92.6851   -2.00000000
39926750   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   42.7513   -2.00000000
39919663   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   80.8242   -2.00000000
I need to post the server seed and server hash ID also correct?
EDIT: Screenshot of showing the bets so you can see I haven't skipped it myself. - http://gyazo.com/d60ad7e6c70476dd9513ea1d71bb02bd
Screenshot of nonce : 47 - http://gyazo.com/f82d0eefd74149f1c397db42f0f12c94
Screenshot of the bet below none : 45 - http://gyazo.com/276b9d666663712612ba361b96e3a2f7

I looked into Stars' bets and marked the ones where the nonce skipped:

Code:

41235147   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   43.7669   -0.00000000       56 :43.7669     
40303808   4.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   16.9612   -4.00000000       55 :16.9612     
40298916   4.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   27.6732   -4.00000000       54 :27.6732     
40296805   2.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   34.8482   -2.00000000       53 :34.8482     
40296789   2.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   28.5250   -2.00000000       52 :28.525      
40296778   2.00000000   10.0000   ↓9.9000   79.2242   -2.00000000       51 :79.2242     
40161327   4.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   84.6455   -4.00000000       50 :84.6455     
40156138   3.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   33.7365   -3.00000000       49 :33.7365     
40156117   4.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   48.8824   -4.00000000       48 :48.8824     
40156079   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   18.7159   -2.00000000       47 :18.7159     
                                                                                        46 :0.8867      
40155389   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   75.4344   -1.00000000       45 :75.4344     
                                                                                        44 :4.8272      
40143735   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   74.9338   -1.00000000       43 :74.9338     
40143701   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   74.6017   -2.00000000       42 :74.6017     
40143529   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   37.0200   -2.00000000       41 :37.02       
                                                                                        40 :9.2106      
40126175   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   11.8696   -0.50000000       39 :11.8696     
40126167   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   45.0481   -0.50000000       38 :45.0481     
40125973   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   56.0960   -0.50000000       37 :56.096      
                                                                                        36 :9.6882      
40125956   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   72.2778   -0.50000000       35 :72.2778     
40125878   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   29.6848   -0.50000000       34 :29.6848     
40125765   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   10.4268   -0.50000000       33 :10.4268     
                                                                                        32 :2.0807      
40114869   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   20.2174   -0.20000000       31 :20.2174     
40114862   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   98.2097   -0.20000000       30 :98.2097     
40114855   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   66.6403   -0.20000000       29 :66.6403     
40114847   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   32.7034   -0.20000000       28 :32.7034     
                                                                                        27 :9.5783      
40114840   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   17.8090   -0.20000000       26 :17.809      
40114830   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   11.5631   -0.20000000       25 :11.5631     
40114821   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   63.8103   -0.20000000       24 :63.8103     
40114778   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   20.1408   -0.20000000       23 :20.1408     
40114754   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   54.8034   -0.20000000       22 :54.8034     
40114706   0.10000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   25.7128   -0.10000000       21 :25.7128     
40114590   0.10000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   87.5895   -0.10000000       20 :87.5895     
40090065   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   54.7736   -0.00000000       19 :54.7736     
40074510   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   81.8926   -0.00000000       18 :81.8926     
40069425   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   66.0740   -0.00000000       17 :66.074      
40069157   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   56.4644   -0.00000000       16 :56.4644     
40068066   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   36.8424   -0.00000000       15 :36.8424     
40064545   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   40.8721   -0.00000000       14 :40.8721     
40059935   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   44.9864   -0.00000000       13 :44.9864     
40035706   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   24.8266   -0.00000000       12 :24.8266     
40032985   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   86.7231   -0.00000000       11 :86.7231     
40002267   0.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   38.1810   -0.00000000       10 :38.181      
39935128   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   3.7214    +8.90000000       9 :3.7214       
39934966   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   92.6851   -2.00000000       8 :92.6851      
39926750   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   42.7513   -2.00000000       7 :42.7513      
39919663   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   80.8242   -2.00000000       6 :80.8242      
39893460   0.00000000   2.0000   ↓49.5000   96.7071   -0.00000000       5 :96.7071      
39892345   0.00000000   2.0000   ↓49.5000   63.3414   -0.00000000       4 :63.3414      
39892193   0.00000000   2.0000   ↓49.5000   51.9651   -0.00000000       3 :51.9651      
39892031   0.00000000   2.0000   ↓49.5000   86.9424   -0.00000000       2 :86.9424      
39891881   0.00000000   2.0000   ↓49.5000   37.4912   +0.00000000       1 :37.4912      
39891278   0.00000000   2.0000   ↓49.5000   8.2363    +0.00000000       0 :8.2363

Notice that bet 39935128 (nonce 9) won honestly and bet 40114847 (nonces 27/28) lost dishonestly - so perhaps that gives us a vague range of when he was doomswitched.

Here are the 6 bets which lost when they should have won:

Code:

40156079   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   18.7159   -2.00000000       46 :0.8867   ->   47 :18.7159     
40155389   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   75.4344   -1.00000000       44 :4.8272   ->   45 :75.4344     
40143529   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   37.0200   -2.00000000       40 :9.2106   ->   41 :37.02       
40125973   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   56.0960   -0.50000000       36 :9.6882   ->   37 :56.096      
40125765   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   10.4268   -0.50000000       32 :2.0807   ->   33 :10.4268     
40114847   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   32.7034   -0.20000000       27 :9.5783   ->   28 :32.7034     

That's a total of 6.2 BTC at 9.9x that was settled as a loss when it should have paid out 6.2 * 9.9 = 61.38 BTC.

Rather than refunding his deposit (for a profit of 0) he should get his deposit plus a profit of 8.9 * 6.2 minus the 28.9 he lost on the bets that he lost honestly. That's a total profit of 26.28 BTC.

[FlightMH17]

I am sorry if i dont reply fast, i keep refreshing hot wallet(just sent 2k coins more).

What just makes me sad, apart from the big blow of the site, is that people miss the picture.

So we wanted to cheat. And scam.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE explain me why i am refunding people from my wallet AND didnt simply take the 7k coins and GO?

That goes to Stunna as well, which he didnt lose opportunity to put me a negative trust. I guess this fuckup is the perfect gift for him.

Oh well.

You are free to charge me with whatever accusations you wish. But scammer : no. Last time i checked in my books, scammers dont return the loot of their"scam". Just saying.

The fact that something like this has happened on your website has ruined your reputation beyond recovery, but allow me to hammer a few more nails into your coffin.

Let's examine your website:

1. Your dice game was deliberately rigged.
2. After the rigging was discovered you quickly disabled the ability to lookup bets of other users.
3. You've chosen to only refund people with negative profit even though that results in only a 50% refund EV.
4. You turned down the opportunity to allow dooglus, king of retards, to help make your website more reputable.
5. You tried to shift the blame for this situation to a non-existent anonymous 3rd party. You've recently stated numerous times that you(manl) and gerry are the only individuals involved in the production and operation of your website.
6. Your whois(http://whois.net/whois/dicebitco.in) is completely fraudulent.
8. You artificially pumped up the facebook page(https://www.facebook.com/dicelitecoin) for your other website by purchasing 19,000+ "likes".
9. You joke around about DDoSing websites like it's nothing(http://www.reddit.com/user/dicelitecoin) - 3rd post
10. Your English is broken  

If you've been paying attention you may have noticed that I skipped number seven - just like you skipped nonces.

There are several reasons why you may have chosen to not steal the 7k coins that were in cold storage.
Here are a few:
1. You feared the repercussions of openly stealing 7k coins.
2. You feared the repercussions of getting caught rigging your dice game, and wanted try to ease tensions anyway possible.
3. You think you can actually rebuild your reputation, and steal more money in the future based on that reputation.

You had the opportunity to make a decent amount of money, and you threw it away. Anyone who trusts you with their money at this point is brain dead.

Whatever the case,

https://warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0067/88/1366988815139.jpg

Just saying.

[suchmoon]

One user asked for a screenshot of the code that introduced this. Well here it is: http://imgur.com/bATFWPI

Now im not sure if this really means anything, but if you view the exif data on that picture this is the date it was taken "2014:06:04 11:26:39" So that picture was taken about 3 months ago. But somehow you just recently found the code?

Exchangeable image file format (officially Exif, not EXIF according to JEIDA/JEITA/CIPA specifications) is a standard that specifies the formats for images, sound, and ancillary tags used by digital cameras (including smartphones), scanners and other systems handling image and sound files recorded by digital cameras. [...] It is not supported in JPEG 2000, PNG, or GIF.

Screenshots typically don't have Exif data, and this one was in PNG format.

hmm well I uploaded it to this site http://exifdata.com/exif.php , and  http://metapicz.com/#landing    and both sites gave me that date when i uploaded them .

You were probably looking at "ProfileDateTime". That's not when the picture was taken.

http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbATFWPI.png

My browser says the image was modified Sun 07 Sep 2014 06:18:13 PM UTC, I'm assuming that's when it was uploaded to imgur.

[dooglus]

hmm well I uploaded it to this site http://exifdata.com/exif.php , and  http://metapicz.com/#landing    and both sites gave me that date when i uploaded them .

That's the date the ICC profile was created by Apple.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_profile

It's something about the way the monitor displays the colours. Nothing about when the image was created.

[devthedev]

He also just disabled the chat.

What the heck? If he's "attempting" to resolve the issues. (Not likely) Why would he disable the chat?

[finnile]

Another suggestion to the manl and gerry .You should keep the chat open irrespective of people complaining. Investors who are not yet aware of the problem and are not following this thread will be helpless.

[dooglus]

After arguing for HOURS MANL WILL NOT return my coins
Not because I wasn't affected, he admitted I was, but because I lost 2.34BTC PROFIT and not my deposit

I don't see what difference that makes.

I lost 60 BTC fair and square when I was 90 BTC in profit.

Are you saying I wouldn't have received a refund if I had lost them because the site was cheating?

I can't see any way that that makes sense. Coins are coins - to distinguish between "profit coins" and "deposit coins" seems wrong.

What if they were won on PD then deposited? Or won on a different DB account and then deposited? Are they "profit coins" then, and so not eligible for a refund if the site accidentally steals them?

[xilatleo]

Let me see if I can Withdraw from now  

[dooglus]

4. [...] dooglus, king of retards, [...]

Hey!

[oppahdoggystyle]

I wish just-dice was back. The allegations against dicebitco.in are very serious and hope some sort of compromise is reached asap. But, it is hard to see how dicebitco.in will regain investor/gambler confidence in its operations again.

[Cyrax89721]

One user asked for a screenshot of the code that introduced this. Well here it is: http://imgur.com/bATFWPI

Now im not sure if this really means anything, but if you view the exif data on that picture this is the date it was taken "2014:06:04 11:26:39" So that picture was taken about 3 months ago. But somehow you just recently found the code?

Exchangeable image file format (officially Exif, not EXIF according to JEIDA/JEITA/CIPA specifications) is a standard that specifies the formats for images, sound, and ancillary tags used by digital cameras (including smartphones), scanners and other systems handling image and sound files recorded by digital cameras. [...] It is not supported in JPEG 2000, PNG, or GIF.

Screenshots typically don't have Exif data, and this one was in PNG format.

hmm well I uploaded it to this site http://exifdata.com/exif.php , and  http://metapicz.com/#landing    and both sites gave me that date when i uploaded them .

You were probably looking at "ProfileDateTime". That's not when the picture was taken.

http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbATFWPI.png

My browser says the image was modified Sun 07 Sep 2014 06:18:13 PM UTC, I'm assuming that's when it was uploaded to imgur.

Imgur automatically scrubs exif data when uploaded to the site, so any exif that may have been on the image originally is automatically nullified once uploaded.

After arguing for HOURS MANL WILL NOT return my coins
Not because I wasn't affected, he admitted I was, but because I lost 2.34BTC PROFIT and not my deposit

SO BECAUSE these coins were coins that I WON he's not refunding, which is an absolute load of shit because these rolls verified BS and MANL stated that if they were deposited and my account was negative he would of refunded.

I lost because of his bug/cheat, and I want my 2.34BTC back. I WON them fair in square, and lost them UNFAIRLY. By all means am I entitled to a refund just as anyone else is


He also just disabled the chat.

Quoting again, surprised no ones noticed he completely removed chat from the site.

1730BTC invested, 500BTC drop since chat disabled

Yelling and screaming over and over again won't make resolutions happen any quicker.  You're not the only one that noticed chat is closed, since Manl fucking said it himself that he closed it some posts above yours.

[zolace]

ok if anyone notices someone is betting high bets and winning the investors funds, investors I suggesst you take money out quick, as Manl I said you will lose respect if you had close down your chat room.

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