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[Pline]

Have some questions.

I was wondering what is the difference between ShadowChat and Bitmessage?  They seem to have some similarities. Here is ShadowChat white paper: http://www.shadow.cash/downloads/shadowcoin-p2p-em.pdf

Here is bitmessage whitepaper: https://bitmessage.org/bitmessage.pdf

The bitmessage whitepaper mentions something about Proof of Work, since Shadow is POS coin how do they compare in this respect?

Also the devs say on the Roadmap that they plan to add video, voice, and file support to ShadowChat.  Is ShadowChat designed differently than bitmessage in order to be able to accommodate this in the future?  Would voice, and video be possible in bitmessage's setup?


Also there is another project I heard about called Tox (https://tox.im/).  They aim to be an encrypted peer-to-peer skype replacement.  They already have text, voice, video, and file support.  Anybody know how this project compares to ShadowChat?  Seems similar in some ways, and they even say they may incorporate bitcoin into their software in the future: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/tox-encrypted-skype-replacement-will-possibly-integrate-bitcoin/

You can check out their reddit sub here: http://www.reddit.com/r/projecttox


All three projects seem to have similar goals. Can anyone can give any insight into how these three compare to each other?

[erok]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

[dadon]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

[erok]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

Without a charitable organization running the administrative side, it will be a free market. Though I hate the idea of CP... if there is censorship implemented but something makes it through, then the censoring administrator would be liable in some way. However, it could work similar to Reddit and Digg where you get upvotes for exposure. CP of course along with racist propoganda would probably be downvoted to crap and would not be as active in the community due to that which might work?

[dadon]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

Without a charitable organization running the administrative side, it will be a free market. Though I hate the idea of CP... if there is censorship implemented but something makes it through, then the censoring administrator would be liable in some way. However, it could work similar to Reddit and Digg where you get upvotes for exposure. CP of course along with racist propaganda would probably be downvoted to crap and would not be as active in the community due to that which might work?

yes the reddit idea is sort of what i was trying to suggest everybody who has a wallet has the option of down voting or ignoring a listing and if enough people did it then that item would be automatically deleted by the system, yes it could start wars between vendors but if you made the number of down votes to remove  the listing or vendor big like 100 or 1000 down votes it makes it harder for a single user to try and sabotage competitors and also spreads the liability out to the point no one is going to be touched especially for removing shit like that, i know what your saying about the liability, but having cp, or weapons is a bigger liability.

[Automatic Monkey]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

Without a charitable organization running the administrative side, it will be a free market. Though I hate the idea of CP... if there is censorship implemented but something makes it through, then the censoring administrator would be liable in some way. However, it could work similar to Reddit and Digg where you get upvotes for exposure. CP of course along with racist propaganda would probably be downvoted to crap and would not be as active in the community due to that which might work?

yes the reddit idea is sort of what i was trying to suggest everybody who has a wallet has the option of down voting or ignoring a listing and if enough people did it then that item would be automatically deleted by the system, yes it could start wars between vendors but if you made the number of down votes to remove  the listing or vendor big like 100 or 1000 down votes it makes it harder for a single user to try and sabotage competitors and also spreads the liability out to the point no one is going to be touched especially for removing shit like that, i know what your saying about the liability, but having cp, or weapons is a bigger liability.

There is no solution that can be applied globally, as there is no global law. Being American guns and racist material are perfectly legal, for me, but playing poker online is not. In other countries it is reversed. In Riyadh most of us have done things for which we could be executed.

So another problem with having a censored market is deciding what standards will be used for the censorship. Historically these arrangements have tended to favor the most restrictive and brutal. Any attempt to censor the dark market is likely to end up a fool's errand of appeasing the most ruthless bastards on earth, from US tax authorities to Iranian religious authorities.

[dadon]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

Without a charitable organization running the administrative side, it will be a free market. Though I hate the idea of CP... if there is censorship implemented but something makes it through, then the censoring administrator would be liable in some way. However, it could work similar to Reddit and Digg where you get upvotes for exposure. CP of course along with racist propaganda would probably be downvoted to crap and would not be as active in the community due to that which might work?

yes the reddit idea is sort of what i was trying to suggest everybody who has a wallet has the option of down voting or ignoring a listing and if enough people did it then that item would be automatically deleted by the system, yes it could start wars between vendors but if you made the number of down votes to remove  the listing or vendor big like 100 or 1000 down votes it makes it harder for a single user to try and sabotage competitors and also spreads the liability out to the point no one is going to be touched especially for removing shit like that, i know what your saying about the liability, but having cp, or weapons is a bigger liability.

There is no solution that can be applied globally, as there is no global law. Being American guns and racist material are perfectly legal, for me, but playing poker online is not. In other countries it is reversed. In Riyadh most of us have done things for which we could be executed.

So another problem with having a censored market is deciding what standards will be used for the censorship. Historically these arrangements have tended to favor the most restrictive and brutal. Any attempt to censor the dark market is likely to end up a fool's errand of appeasing the most ruthless bastards on earth, from US tax authorities to Iranian religious authorities.

i don't think anyone will look down on SDC for censoring cp weapons or assassins, these three things will ruin SDC..there has to be a way and it's not censoring it's cleaning out the trash, SDC from what i can see has a vision of empowering the masses, cp victimizes and destroys children's lives, guns bought illegally are usually used for violent crimes because they would just buy one legally if that wasn't the case, and assassins are just bad news all three of these things are bad news for SDC and the complete opposite of empowering the masses, the only people who want to see that shit on a anonymous decentralized market are sickos and dangerous thugs.

[Pline]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

Without a charitable organization running the administrative side, it will be a free market. Though I hate the idea of CP... if there is censorship implemented but something makes it through, then the censoring administrator would be liable in some way. However, it could work similar to Reddit and Digg where you get upvotes for exposure. CP of course along with racist propaganda would probably be downvoted to crap and would not be as active in the community due to that which might work?

yes the reddit idea is sort of what i was trying to suggest everybody who has a wallet has the option of down voting or ignoring a listing and if enough people did it then that item would be automatically deleted by the system, yes it could start wars between vendors but if you made the number of down votes to remove  the listing or vendor big like 100 or 1000 down votes it makes it harder for a single user to try and sabotage competitors and also spreads the liability out to the point no one is going to be touched especially for removing shit like that, i know what your saying about the liability, but having cp, or weapons is a bigger liability.

There is no solution that can be applied globally, as there is no global law. Being American guns and racist material are perfectly legal, for me, but playing poker online is not. In other countries it is reversed. In Riyadh most of us have done things for which we could be executed.

So another problem with having a censored market is deciding what standards will be used for the censorship. Historically these arrangements have tended to favor the most restrictive and brutal. Any attempt to censor the dark market is likely to end up a fool's errand of appeasing the most ruthless bastards on earth, from US tax authorities to Iranian religious authorities.

i don't think anyone will look down on SDC for censoring cp weapons or assassins, these three things will ruin SDC..there has to be a way and it's not censoring it's cleaning out the trash, SDC from what i can see has a vision of empowering the masses, cp victimizes and destroys children's lives, guns bought illegally are usually used for violent crimes because they would just buy one legally if that wasn't the case, and assassins are just bad news all three of these things are bad news for SDC and the complete opposite of empowering the masses, the only people who want to see that shit on a anonymous decentralized market are sickos and dangerous thugs.

You can't censor a decentralized marketplace.  If there is censorship then it is no longer a decentralized marketplace. Censorship requires centralization, which also comes with liability for the centralized entity.  I don't think the devs would want to be that entity.

I think the devs must be very careful however to stay out of trouble.  This marketplace should be designed with the intent of it being used for legal items.  There is no criminal intent here.  For example, if they created it with pre-made categories of things like Drugs, Heroin, Cocaine, Marijuana, etc, then that would show criminal intent. I don't think they would ever do that, as Sbay is being designed for a marketplace of legal items and services. Of course there will always be some that abuse the system.  With any new tool and technology you must take the good with the bad.

I don't think abuse of the system will be that big, however there are sure to be some rare cases.  If there are I don't really think it will damage SDC's reputation.  There are such things on some Bitcoin dark markets, yet Bitcoin still seems to thrive and persevere.  The internet is a tool that is abused by some rare people as well.  Yet it is overwhelmingly a positive technology for humanity.  I think Sbay can be thought of in a similar respect.

[dadon]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

Without a charitable organization running the administrative side, it will be a free market. Though I hate the idea of CP... if there is censorship implemented but something makes it through, then the censoring administrator would be liable in some way. However, it could work similar to Reddit and Digg where you get upvotes for exposure. CP of course along with racist propaganda would probably be downvoted to crap and would not be as active in the community due to that which might work?

yes the reddit idea is sort of what i was trying to suggest everybody who has a wallet has the option of down voting or ignoring a listing and if enough people did it then that item would be automatically deleted by the system, yes it could start wars between vendors but if you made the number of down votes to remove  the listing or vendor big like 100 or 1000 down votes it makes it harder for a single user to try and sabotage competitors and also spreads the liability out to the point no one is going to be touched especially for removing shit like that, i know what your saying about the liability, but having cp, or weapons is a bigger liability.

There is no solution that can be applied globally, as there is no global law. Being American guns and racist material are perfectly legal, for me, but playing poker online is not. In other countries it is reversed. In Riyadh most of us have done things for which we could be executed.

So another problem with having a censored market is deciding what standards will be used for the censorship. Historically these arrangements have tended to favor the most restrictive and brutal. Any attempt to censor the dark market is likely to end up a fool's errand of appeasing the most ruthless bastards on earth, from US tax authorities to Iranian religious authorities.

i don't think anyone will look down on SDC for censoring cp weapons or assassins, these three things will ruin SDC..there has to be a way and it's not censoring it's cleaning out the trash, SDC from what i can see has a vision of empowering the masses, cp victimizes and destroys children's lives, guns bought illegally are usually used for violent crimes because they would just buy one legally if that wasn't the case, and assassins are just bad news all three of these things are bad news for SDC and the complete opposite of empowering the masses, the only people who want to see that shit on a anonymous decentralized market are sickos and dangerous thugs.

You can't censor a decentralized marketplace.  If there is censorship then it is no longer a decentralized marketplace. Censorship requires centralization, which also comes with liability for the centralized entity.  I don't think the devs would want to be that entity.

I think the devs must be very careful however to stay out of trouble.  This marketplace should be designed with the intent of it being used for legal items.  There is no criminal intent here.  For example, if they created it with pre-made categories of things like Drugs, Heroin, Cocaine, Marijuana, etc, then that would show criminal intent. I don't think they would ever do that, as Sbay is being designed for a marketplace of legal items and services. Of course there will always be some that abuse the system.  With any new tool and technology you must take the good with the bad.

I don't think abuse of the system will be that big, however there are sure to be some rare cases.  If there are I don't really think it will damage SDC's reputation.  There are such things on some Bitcoin dark markets, yet Bitcoin still seems to thrive and persevere.  The internet is a tool that is abused by some rare people as well.  Yet it is overwhelmingly a positive technology for humanity.  I think Sbay can be thought of in a similar respect.

how is having a voting system to De-list unethical material centralizing it, sorry it's a legitimate question not being smart, it would still be decentralized but the users would have the option of voting for things they didn't want to see on there, my idea was each item would have a option to down vote, ignore or report etc there would be a certain number of times it would have to be down voted, reported, ignored etc, say between 100-1000 when that number was reached it would be removed automatically by the system, it's not centralizing it it's adding a voting system, so if some sicko tries to sell a bunch of kiddy porn we as a community can decide if we want to see that there, no centralization what so ever, still decentralized but with a community controlled voting system, Im sure maybe this isn't the best option? but it has to be done we can not allow that sort of shit to be pushed on our market, it's an idea, would love to hear others ideas, this is the sort of thing that should be being discussed not price speculation and crap like that, this is the stuff that's important, and the dev team might be able to take one of our ideas that they had not thought of yet and make it work.

[Pline]

I had an idea for SBay obviously because it's decentralized no one has any control of what is put on it, but maybe it could have like in bct.org an ignore button on  vendors and items and if that item or vendor was ignored enough  say like 1000 wallets then the item or vendors listing would be automatically removed by the system, that way if someone was trying to sell assassinations, or guns, or child abuse material  the community could quickly vote to remove it by just clicking the ignore button, is this possible to do?

Censorship = liability

child porn on SBay= instant death of SDC..so it's got to be worked out these things can not be allowed on there, so there has to be a way.

Without a charitable organization running the administrative side, it will be a free market. Though I hate the idea of CP... if there is censorship implemented but something makes it through, then the censoring administrator would be liable in some way. However, it could work similar to Reddit and Digg where you get upvotes for exposure. CP of course along with racist propaganda would probably be downvoted to crap and would not be as active in the community due to that which might work?

yes the reddit idea is sort of what i was trying to suggest everybody who has a wallet has the option of down voting or ignoring a listing and if enough people did it then that item would be automatically deleted by the system, yes it could start wars between vendors but if you made the number of down votes to remove  the listing or vendor big like 100 or 1000 down votes it makes it harder for a single user to try and sabotage competitors and also spreads the liability out to the point no one is going to be touched especially for removing shit like that, i know what your saying about the liability, but having cp, or weapons is a bigger liability.

There is no solution that can be applied globally, as there is no global law. Being American guns and racist material are perfectly legal, for me, but playing poker online is not. In other countries it is reversed. In Riyadh most of us have done things for which we could be executed.

So another problem with having a censored market is deciding what standards will be used for the censorship. Historically these arrangements have tended to favor the most restrictive and brutal. Any attempt to censor the dark market is likely to end up a fool's errand of appeasing the most ruthless bastards on earth, from US tax authorities to Iranian religious authorities.

i don't think anyone will look down on SDC for censoring cp weapons or assassins, these three things will ruin SDC..there has to be a way and it's not censoring it's cleaning out the trash, SDC from what i can see has a vision of empowering the masses, cp victimizes and destroys children's lives, guns bought illegally are usually used for violent crimes because they would just buy one legally if that wasn't the case, and assassins are just bad news all three of these things are bad news for SDC and the complete opposite of empowering the masses, the only people who want to see that shit on a anonymous decentralized market are sickos and dangerous thugs.

You can't censor a decentralized marketplace.  If there is censorship then it is no longer a decentralized marketplace. Censorship requires centralization, which also comes with liability for the centralized entity.  I don't think the devs would want to be that entity.

I think the devs must be very careful however to stay out of trouble.  This marketplace should be designed with the intent of it being used for legal items.  There is no criminal intent here.  For example, if they created it with pre-made categories of things like Drugs, Heroin, Cocaine, Marijuana, etc, then that would show criminal intent. I don't think they would ever do that, as Sbay is being designed for a marketplace of legal items and services. Of course there will always be some that abuse the system.  With any new tool and technology you must take the good with the bad.

I don't think abuse of the system will be that big, however there are sure to be some rare cases.  If there are I don't really think it will damage SDC's reputation.  There are such things on some Bitcoin dark markets, yet Bitcoin still seems to thrive and persevere.  The internet is a tool that is abused by some rare people as well.  Yet it is overwhelmingly a positive technology for humanity.  I think Sbay can be thought of in a similar respect.

how is having a voting system to De-list unethical material centralizing it, sorry it's a legitimate question not being smart, it would still be decentralized but the users would have the option of voting for things they didn't want to see on there, my idea was each item would have a option to down vote, ignore or report etc there would be a certain number of times it would have to be down voted, reported, ignored etc, say between 100-1000 when that number was reached it would be removed automatically by the system, it's not centralizing it it's adding a voting system, so if some sicko tries to sell a bunch of kiddy porn we as a community can decide if we want to see that there, no centralization what so ever, still decentralized but with a community controlled voting system, Im sure maybe this isn't the best option? but it has to be done we can not allow that sort of shit to be pushed on our market, it's an idea, would love to hear others ideas, this is the sort of thing that should be being discussed not price speculation and crap like that, this is the stuff that's important, and the dev team might be able to take one of our ideas that they had not thought of yet and make it work.

Well I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a voting system to be cleverly instituted in a decentralized way.  However it seems like a very difficult problem to solve.  The hurdle I see with it, is if for example take the simple case of having 1000 down votes to remove an item.  People could spoof accounts, attack competition.  Governments could set up 1000 wallets and downvote anything they don't like.  Then that decentralized system turns into a centralized one once again.

Now that I think about it, maybe the best way to deal with it, is to just vote using our dollars (or SDCs), and that just means letting the free market work.  Things that are socially unacceptable won't get very many buyers.  The same is with the darkweb now. I would guess the vast majority of the darkweb economy is drugs and not things like child porn.  This is because drugs are more socially acceptable in our society.  Also this is seen further as marijuana was by far the most common drug sold on dark marketplaces, and it is also the most socially acceptable illegal drug.

Anyways here is a video you may be interested in when the Open Bazaar folks were asked about if drugs would be sold on their marketplace (9 min mark): http://youtu.be/RRp8GevQRY0?t=9m34s

[dadon]

You have some good points as i said it was just an idea, and i know nothing about coding and how hard it would be, it does need to be addressed and I think voting with our SDC is not really enough, We need to make it clear that we do not tolerate that sort of stuff, i have no problem with drugs, but yeah... there has to be a way to do it, but anyways thanks for the response and the link i will check it out 

[child_harold]

CHECK THIS OUT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3INbCnEfZq4

[4M8B]

Also a nice view about decentralized exchange etherEx:

Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbnCYDoupfQ&feature=youtu.be

Website : http://www.etherex.org/

[fearcoka]

SDC is such a beast!! Keep it up!

[hack_]

Has anyone managed to build from source recently?

[dasource]

Has anyone managed to build from source recently?

Yes it works fine here ... any issues?

[hack_]

Has anyone managed to build from source recently?

Yes it works fine here ... any issues?

Yes, maybe i am using the wrong source because i keep getting

Code:

src\rpcblockchain.cpp: In function 'json_spirit::Value rewindchain(const Array&, bool)':
src\rpcblockchain.cpp:696:72: error: 'ftruncate' was not declared in this scope
         if (ftruncate(fileno(fp), fpos+foundPos-sizeof(pchMessageStart)) != 0)

[fearcoka]

30k incoming.

[traumschiff]

30k incoming.

Price seems to be heading upwards. Some big buys were made.

[idiomatik]

SHADOW looks like its doing some real amazing stuff.

I look forward to this Zeuner peer review I heard about.
This could be really important for the Anon space and differentiating different crypto systems

and you've got this shdowchat feature already in-wallet? thats crazy cool

im following u guys irc in shadowcash.io

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