[SDC] ShadowCash | Welcome to the UMBRA

[Coolstoryteller]

Secure, Voice File and Video support is extremely relevant in todays age. I'm not comparing the two side by side becuase i think its unfair and i actually like the marketplace idea and would love to see it of course. However i think one is more viable and "doable" short term. And one is a bit much to chew off short term. One is a stepping stone to something as huge and complex as a marketplace, which is to me, looking like the project is trying to run before it crawls.

I'm sorry if most of you misunderstood me saying its a gimmick. I meant only that its used as a gimmick by most projects. One that will never come to fruition. Kind of like stealthcoins' chandran signatures. The reason i'm appalled is because VFV support is extremely important as a base foundation for the core, in my opinion. Completing it as a means to communicate securely giving much more exposure to Shadows underlying tech sooner and without the inevitable stigma that is attached to any kind of theoretical decentralized marketplace.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/22/kim-dotcom-launches-encrypted-voice-chat-skype-killer

To me it makes sense to build one before the other. And to me, voice file and video seems more realistic given the devtime Shadow currently has up its sleeve.
But thats just my opinion. Inevitably, i know the focus isn't going to change. I'm just confused how it went from being a concept one week to a priority the next.
So in short we still agree on most things i only warned that SB is a bit much to go for, however im not keen to stifle it either GL TR
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304591604579292222768536610

I agree with you there. I think both concepts are valid (commerce and voice & video) and have a place in the wild. I just think that there are so many other projects working on secure voice and video with much more resources at their disposal that it wouldn't make sense to justify moving towards that direction when nobody is working on a complete anon commerce solution. According to a few articles I've read, the majority of people using online commerce don't use pgp to encrypt messages. Something like shadow and sbay can offer a turn-key solution for users while utilizing shadow's biggest strength - anonymous transactions.

I would love to see a video and voice platform in the future something cool with like voice changers and image distortion but I think for the current milestone we would be better off with support the currency with a commerce ecosystem then introducing improvements to the chat at a later point when core issues have been worked out on both sides (currency and marketplace).

Ahhh yes that would be great.

And on the rest, i agree on the points you make except of course the priority But i cant argue against a vote already taken, i'm merely voicing my constructive criticism as you know can be quite blunt and misunderstood.

I would hope to see the current PoS system upgraded asap and the mobile platforms on a better structured updating system along with the core dev team supported enough that they are motivated to clean up the core.

I also, very much like and think the idea of a mobile OS and even mobile phone range of ShadowPhones is both somewhat relevant and an attainable concept.

For sure, I agree mobile and PoS should definitely be priorities. We had a mobile dev inquire about building out the Droid and iOS apps last week so it'll be nice to see where that goes. The more devs the better imo. Once SDCDev is back from his trek I'm sure we'll be able to get the project moving in a positive direction and with the same progress as everyone has been accustomed to in the past.

"I'm just confused how it went from being a concept one week to a priority the next."

It kind of happened over the course of a week or more. Someone brought it up in IRC a while ago and the entire channel for the most part agreed that the marketplace was a far more important milestone for the space than the voice and video. Pop back in IRC and we'll make sure you get your Ops back

[Coolstoryteller]

Can we get some moderation holy fuck i have gone 2days this place become shitstorm:))

Sebsebastian volunteered to take over from Soepkip as the project liaison so we'll have much better forum moderation and activity on Shadow's social media in the future. Soepkip has been dealing with some AFK issues and it's one of the reasons for his inactivity and the general lack of moderation.

[Automatic Monkey]

I also, very much like and think the idea of a mobile OS and even mobile phone range of ShadowPhones is both somewhat relevant and an attainable concept, longterm.

Yes I thought about a Shadow phone a while back. Probably the easiest way to do it is provide a mobile Android or Linux distro with all the garbage removed, a few useful things added (including the wallet), along with instructions for rooting a phone and a list of the phones it will work on. Then somebody else can go into the business of providing the prepared phones for those who don't want to do it themselves.

Hey does anybody think there would be a market for an anonymous shipping service using Shadow? You send me Shadow and the package information, I send you a .PDF of a FedEx or UPS airbill that I paid for. That way neither the shipping company nor the recipient has any link to the person who actually shipped the package, providing it was dropped in a box or something similarly anonymous. Of course they would have a link to me, but I can prove I had nothing to do with the contents of the package, because I didn't. 

[Coolstoryteller]

I also, very much like and think the idea of a mobile OS and even mobile phone range of ShadowPhones is both somewhat relevant and an attainable concept, longterm.

Yes I thought about a Shadow phone a while back. Probably the easiest way to do it is provide a mobile Android or Linux distro with all the garbage removed, a few useful things added (including the wallet), along with instructions for rooting a phone and a list of the phones it will work on. Then somebody else can go into the business of providing the prepared phones for those who don't want to do it themselves.

Hey does anybody think there would be a market for an anonymous shipping service using Shadow? You send me Shadow and the package information, I send you a .PDF of a FedEx or UPS airbill that I paid for. That way neither the shipping company nor the recipient has any link to the person who actually shipped the package, providing it was dropped in a box or something similarly anonymous. Of course they would have a link to me, but I can prove I had nothing to do with the contents of the package, because I didn't.  

+1

SDCDev was brainstorming about something like that weeks ago. You might want to send him a PM to pick his brain when he's back in IRC.

[child_harold]

Until the decentralized marketplace is delivered this coin ain't shit.

With or without…
It matters not a whit…
We have anon…
We have Freedom*

*a new hope

[hashforce101]

Can we get some moderation holy fuck i have gone 2days this place become shitstorm:))

It's all good… Personally I found Rambo vs Trolls highly entertaining and undeniably cathartic. Ahhhh… better now.
Anyway looks like the octagon is getting wiped down and the thread cleaned up as we ready ourselves for some more (big?) news…

Just a few hours ago the new wiki was launched http://shadowcash.info/display/shadow/Welcome+to+Shadow

The stage is being set perhaps?

another crpto coin are releasing their Double Encryption + Anon 9th March 2015. its not based on ring signitures totally new tech - how do ring signitures work? in shadowcash as I may invest a little and what are future plans compared to NavajoCoin NAV/BTC

found it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_signature - All good

Did u u know Rambo is half-German and half native-American Indian (possibly even Navajo)? And that SDCDev is Rambo?? Consider yourself in the loop

Nice work on http://shadowcash.info/display/shadow/Welcome+to+Shadow

I have some new BTC coming my way - Alot actually on the 9th March 2015.
I will spread (%) the love around. I dont want to put my eggs in the one basket do I  

~hashforce101~

[hashforce101]

I really like your richlist with USD value
can I stake in your wallet
How did you fund all this its very nice  

your server responce is extremely tidy
very impressed

[child_harold]

I really like your richlist with USD value
can I stake in your wallet
How did you fund all this its very nice  

your server responce is extremely tidy
very impressed

one Q at a time pls

[hashforce101]

Well I did have to remove a ShadowCash Logo from the NavajoCoin forum on Beta Lauch Day 3 weeks back  
But to be honest it was very funny and I enjoyed it .

[child_harold]

Well I did have to remove a ShadowCash Logo from the NavajoCoin forum on Beta Lauch Day 3 weeks back  
But to be honest it was very funny and I enjoyed it .

TBH I have no idea why ur here… well actually I do
Prove me wrong…
Do u have a salient Q?

i.e. what is it u would like answered?

Thx in advance.

[Automatic Monkey]

Well I did have to remove a ShadowCash Logo from the NavajoCoin forum on Beta Lauch Day 3 weeks back  
But to be honest it was very funny and I enjoyed it .

I am curious, what is the association between NavajoCoin and the Navajo nation? MazaCoin is run by real Injuns and they declined to use the name of their nation.

[StealthCoin1]

This project needs more devs and less of the gimmick crap... You all know i'm quite blunt and frank at times. I'll remain consistent and state an observation.

Gimmick is sneaking into this project...again.
The ShadowBay is not viable or feasible in the current state of its team makeup! Just be realistic about what you expect and what you encourage others to expect about that kind of gimmik crap this early. (My message to the community)

The team clearly stated it is looking into ShadowBay as an idea from the mass of the shadow community. But most people here, a week later started to change that story and started saying its happening within a month or so. (making me vomit) Personally i don't see it as something that will be viable nor will it be close to completion this year.  Its a gimik that most projects tried to use to justify price increase. It was and has always been driven by communities who think they know what they want and need. And i fear that its a pipedream of most to become a launchpad to "the moon". It is not a launchpad in this case and never will be unless there is sufficient talent, resource and motivation to fund devtime to completion. Besides, the core is not even working consistently across all platforms yet.

Many of you may think we need it now but i argue that its fools errand and that we do not. You will burn out the current team then the project will die.... I will stake my life on that!

Ryno, Techno need and want more devs interested in the tech. Not the gimmick shit most of you want to justify a rise in value.

The focus here should be recruiting dev talent and appealing to them. Leave the gimmick wet fart to xc, xst and the rest of those trash communities please.

The review will be good but not for what most of you think it will be good for.. It should not justify some price rise... It will and should be considered to be ip added to the project. It should be considered as somewhat of a tarmac paved road for devs to understand and be exposed to the tech. This is great tech that not many people in this field know about yet. Professionals want white paper facts, stats and cohesive reports on the tech. They have no time for promises, gimmicks and communities of trader only, influenced decisions. The focus here should be dev talent and exposure not through gimmick but through cold hard stats and facts!


The cold hard truth is; I can easily tell that the devs are burnt out already. The tech is great and the future is possibly extremely bright. However, the project should be put into beta mode so that it is very clear that the wallet is not completely bug free. Which, as you all know, it isnt. There should be a dev entry point and i strongly advise time and effort be focused less on gimmick bullshit and more on crawling before we walk and by that i mean focus more on ryno, techno's support. They need more devs and the tech needs more debate and scrutiny.

There is to much pressure on them to serve the trader and not enough support for them to actually go back and refine what they already have so it actually works.

I'm appalled that the marketplace has taken place of file voice and video support. Kim Dot Com and the rest of the world is going to show you just how important and relevant that stuff is, to both devs and mainstream.

Anyhow..thats my rant. I just encourage you, the community, to go back and rehash this whole marketplace stuff and the expectations you are laying on it.
I and anyone with half a nut can see this projects foundations have not yet been finished. It wont handle any kind of weight and its fast becoming yet another house of cards; doomed to join ranks with the rest of the ditched projects that actually had potential in this space. Because, as you know, its insanity to see the same moves and decisions being made and expecting it to be any different to them.

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense ring signatures no one bother want to know, this is probably the wallet is lockup because of cheesy ring signatures coding. a code reviewer which is not qualify to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

[rustynailer]

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense anon no one bother want to know, a code reviewer which is not quality to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

Wow you have tor implemented, well anything can route through tor and its not that anonymous.  You have anon sms, how anon can it be when it has to go through a centralized message center.   And you have a 3d wallet, wow i am impressed, what does it do. 

[StealthCoin1]

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense anon no one bother want to know, a code reviewer which is not quality to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

Wow you have tor implemented, well anything can route through tor and its not that anonymous.  You have anon sms, how anon can it be when it has to go through a centralized message center.   And you have a 3d wallet, wow i am impressed, what does it do.  

tor is better with no tor. google message center, it only can trace to google. 3d wallet is rock solid so it's not broken or lockup

[rustynailer]

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense anon no one bother want to know, a code reviewer which is not quality to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

Wow you have tor implemented, well anything can route through tor and its not that anonymous.  You have anon sms, how anon can it be when it has to go through a centralized message center.   And you have a 3d wallet, wow i am impressed, what does it do.  

tor is better with no tor. google message center, it only can trace to google. 3d wallet is rock solid so it's not broken or lockup

I am sure Google wont tell anybody who sent the sms to their forwarding service.  lol

[Automatic Monkey]

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense anon no one bother want to know, a code reviewer which is not quality to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

Wow you have tor implemented, well anything can route through tor and its not that anonymous.  You have anon sms, how anon can it be when it has to go through a centralized message center.   And you have a 3d wallet, wow i am impressed, what does it do.  

tor is better with no tor. google message center, it only can trace to google. 3d wallet is rock solid so it's not broken or lockup

I am sure Google wont tell anybody who sent the sms to their forwarding service.  lol

Google for privacy. Absolutely brilliant!

[StealthCoin1]

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense anon no one bother want to know, a code reviewer which is not quality to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

Wow you have tor implemented, well anything can route through tor and its not that anonymous.  You have anon sms, how anon can it be when it has to go through a centralized message center.   And you have a 3d wallet, wow i am impressed, what does it do.  

tor is better with no tor. google message center, it only can trace to google. 3d wallet is rock solid so it's not broken or lockup

I am sure Google wont tell anybody who sent the sms to their forwarding service.  lol

you can use tor to create fake google account, so there are many layers and layers of anon there.

[rustynailer]

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense anon no one bother want to know, a code reviewer which is not quality to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

Wow you have tor implemented, well anything can route through tor and its not that anonymous.  You have anon sms, how anon can it be when it has to go through a centralized message center.   And you have a 3d wallet, wow i am impressed, what does it do.  

tor is better with no tor. google message center, it only can trace to google. 3d wallet is rock solid so it's not broken or lockup

I am sure Google wont tell anybody who sent the sms to their forwarding service.  lol

you can use tor to create fake google account, so there are many layers and layers of anon there.

Unless you have a fake phone account, you are still sending a message from your phone to a phone company message center which will retain all those messages along with their metadata.

[hashforce101]

Well I did have to remove a ShadowCash Logo from the NavajoCoin forum on Beta Lauch Day 3 weeks back  
But to be honest it was very funny and I enjoyed it .

I am curious, what is the association between NavajoCoin and the Navajo nation? MazaCoin is run by real Injuns and they declined to use the name of their nation.

The name comes from the Navajo Code Talkers (encryption) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker
better you go to the other forum  before you make someone angry

[00Smurf]

xst have tor implemented, anon sms, and just released a new 3d wallet. xst wallet and block is rock solid. your coin have nothing beside broken block, lockup wallet and nonsense anon no one bother want to know, a code reviewer which is not quality to be one. oh, and no adoption. your coin is deem to die soon.

Wow you have tor implemented, well anything can route through tor and its not that anonymous.  You have anon sms, how anon can it be when it has to go through a centralized message center.   And you have a 3d wallet, wow i am impressed, what does it do.  

tor is better with no tor. google message center, it only can trace to google. 3d wallet is rock solid so it's not broken or lockup

Tor privacy has been broken, do a google search. Law enforcement controls alot of end nodes.