[ANN] Syscoin- FINAL 2.0 LAUNCHED! *ENCRYPTION, MARKETPLACE, BTC INTEGRATION*

[android_631]

I just hope this was enough to get him kicked off the entire forum and not just this thread, although I will be VERY grateful to see him gone from here.  This type of disgust and disrespect will follow him to whatever threads he decides to troll!  What a wonderful world we live in:-)

Let there be peace and maturity in the SysCoin community!

The mods must do due diligence before banning a user so we had to go through the motions (aka: asking politely to leave the thread) before the mods can take action even given the overwhelming amount of profanity and garbage @manbot1 has posted here and in other threads.

I'm happy to announce that mod @theymos has now banned him for 7days. Hopefully this will give him time to chill out and he can rejoin us without the immaturity and profanity. If he returns with the same attitude we will ask @theymos for a much longer ban.

We do apologize for those who had to deal with the garbage while we sorted this out with forum moderators. And a big THANK YOU!!! To @theymos for bringing peace to the Syscoin thread  

On another note we're still working hard on:
- 0.1.5 RC3 [top priority]
- Syscoin Blockmarket!
- iOS wallet
- Android wallet

We are not using the crap Android wallet that every other coin clones because- 1) it is not very good from a code-perspective and we prefer clean, maintainable code and 2) we plan to enable all syscoin services on mobile (ios/android)- offers, certs, aliases, data and the other services we have on the roadmap (assets, escrow, multisig encryption and more). To facilitate this we need code that we can build on, scale, and maintain- for this reason nearly all of our "apps" are written from scratch including the mobile wallets. We will have some very cool stuff rolling out this month!

This is my first post, because i am one of the developers of one of the 'crap' Android wallet you refer. I had a lot of hope on your team, i was one of the initial investors and followed the evolution of the coin from the start, all bugs,  botched releases, bad QA control, everything. And never complained once, never.
And after all that, you have the nerve to call crap to others work ? Really guys ? i sold all my coins today because you really have shown that you are just a group of childish amateurs. Also your 'team' of developers consists on just one person, you can see exactly the same style in all code. With such investment you asked from people you just have one person that does most (all ? ) coding .

You delete posts that offends your work but you are happy to call crap to other software, that i am sure you even don't understand it how hypocrite is that ?

To investors : i really hope coin succeed and you win some money, i am out of here

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[gefafwisp]

Thanks @dano I appreciate the clarity and I'm sure others do too. I was picking up a hint of anti-Moolah sentiment from others on the team. The Mintpal situation is unfortunate but it's not too late for them to turn things around, and Syscoin can still benefit from the association.

I thought they were involved on the dev side too?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587080.msg8456485#msg8456485

(...) we simply entered a partnership for them to provide their escrow services.

Moolah provided us with access to their dev's in case of need or major fail.

We did not need it so far neither did the major fail occur.

To be clear we used one of their devs to help provide diagnostic information during the launch related to the launch issues that will now live in infamy. Their dev also helped us setup a proper DNS node for SYS which has and continues to work very well. Aside from those two points all other development on all Syscoin github initiatives (there are many if you have't noticed) have been done entirely by the Syscoin team including remedying all the launch issues expediently.

Per the Moolah statement linked to above- if one of us [devs] gets really sick or has a family emergency or something of that nature during a critical period for Syscoin or if Syscoin broke entirely and we did nothing about it or couldn't fix it- we have access to their developers for backup coverage during such situations. Neither of these situations have yet occurred.


Syscoin itself is an entirely independent open-source initiative/team. We are always looking for talented coders- especially C++ and Javascript/HTML/CSS experts with an interest in crypto. If this is you or someone you know, shoot me an email dan@syscoin.org. We are fun bunch but serious about making big moves in the crypto space in a professional manner. Our team is also one of the few coin-teams with the funding and vision to make that happen!

[Pmalek]

They are good guys, I am sure they didnt want to underestimate anyones work. That was poor choice of words I agree. But they could elaborate existing Android wallets VS their vision of the wallet.
For investors the biggest mistake is to Sell or Buy under the influence of emotions. I think you made mistake by dumping at this moment.

@Dano and the team , you could set a bit faster pace if you can, the developement shouldnt slow down.

[android_631]

They are good guys, I am sure they didnt want to underestimate anyones work. That was poor choice of words I agree. But they could elaborate existing Android wallets VS their vision of the wallet.
For investors the biggest mistake is to Sell or Buy under the influence of emotions. I think you made mistake by dumping at this moment.

@Dano and the team , you could set a bit faster pace if you can, the developement shouldnt slow down.

I agree, they are good guys and i know dano didn't mean it, in fact i didn't take it personal as my post implies. But i have a lot experience in corporate software development and i  know these guys have a lot of potential but they aren't as good as they think they are,  specially the main coder, at least the others had a dose of humility.
But the fact is that if any of them have minimum experience in the sector they wouldn't made all the mistakes they did, even if at least one of them worked in an IT costumer call center, would know how to handle  some communication issues; they made all errors on the book.
Not to mention all mistakes in project management, development, QA etc etc.

As i said, they had a lot of potential but they aren't professionals yet. My guess is that if somehow they manage to deliver everything they promised ( i really hope they do); some more experienced team will just hijack the code and that will be it.

I hope i am wrong because i know the feeling to invest a lot of time on a project and at the end being hijacked for lack of experience.

I wish you guys all luck, after all crypto world is just starting and there is space for every coin

[jdebunt]

Small update article :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/syscoin-release-candidate-2-requires-additional-testing-cool-stuff-coming-this-month

[Jedelqu]

They are good guys, I am sure they didnt want to underestimate anyones work. That was poor choice of words I agree. But they could elaborate existing Android wallets VS their vision of the wallet.
For investors the biggest mistake is to Sell or Buy under the influence of emotions. I think you made mistake by dumping at this moment.

@Dano and the team , you could set a bit faster pace if you can, the developement shouldnt slow down.

I agree, they are good guys and i know dano didn't mean it, in fact i didn't take it personal as my post implies. But i have a lot experience in corporate software development and i  know these guys have a lot of potential but they aren't as good as they think they are,  specially the main coder, at least the others had a dose of humility.
But the fact is that if any of them have minimum experience in the sector they wouldn't made all the mistakes they did, even if at least one of them worked in an IT costumer call center, would know how to handle  some communication issues; they made all errors on the book.
Not to mention all mistakes in project management, development, QA etc etc.

As i said, they had a lot of potential but they aren't professionals yet. My guess is that if somehow they manage to deliver everything they promised ( i really hope they do); some more experienced team will just hijack the code and that will be it.

I hope i am wrong because i know the feeling to invest a lot of time on a project and at the end being hijacked for lack of experience.

I wish you guys all luck, after all crypto world is just starting and there is space for every coin

According with moolah's escrow of syscoin ico they should have delivered a working wallet with 4 promised services but it never happened.They also advertised about a well experienced team but in reality other shitcoins are having good marketing than syscoin .Can you really ever trust someone again after they've cheated on you? The trust is gone and will probably never be regained.

[android_631]

They are good guys, I am sure they didnt want to underestimate anyones work. That was poor choice of words I agree. But they could elaborate existing Android wallets VS their vision of the wallet.
For investors the biggest mistake is to Sell or Buy under the influence of emotions. I think you made mistake by dumping at this moment.

@Dano and the team , you could set a bit faster pace if you can, the developement shouldnt slow down.

I agree, they are good guys and i know dano didn't mean it, in fact i didn't take it personal as my post implies. But i have a lot experience in corporate software development and i  know these guys have a lot of potential but they aren't as good as they think they are,  specially the main coder, at least the others had a dose of humility.
But the fact is that if any of them have minimum experience in the sector they wouldn't made all the mistakes they did, even if at least one of them worked in an IT costumer call center, would know how to handle  some communication issues; they made all errors on the book.
Not to mention all mistakes in project management, development, QA etc etc.

As i said, they had a lot of potential but they aren't professionals yet. My guess is that if somehow they manage to deliver everything they promised ( i really hope they do); some more experienced team will just hijack the code and that will be it.

I hope i am wrong because i know the feeling to invest a lot of time on a project and at the end being hijacked for lack of experience.

I wish you guys all luck, after all crypto world is just starting and there is space for every coin

According with moolah's escrow of syscoin ico they should have delivered a working wallet with 4 promised services but it never happened.They also advertised about a well experienced team but in reality other shitcoins are having good marketing than syscoin .Can you really ever trust someone again after they've cheated on you? The trust is gone and will probably never be regained.

In my opinion the biggest risk is that some experienced team is waiting for these guys to deliver all features and then hijack the code, add minor features and make  a good release. If that happens will be the end for syscoin because there will be a copycat with better support and better experience for users. Welcome to the darkside of free software. I even think that's the reason of the perceived low price.


 

[danosphere]

We are not using the crap Android wallet that every other coin clones because- 1) it is not very good from a code-perspective and we prefer clean, maintainable code and 2) we plan to enable all syscoin services on mobile (ios/android)- offers, certs, aliases, data and the other services we have on the roadmap (assets, escrow, multisig encryption and more). To facilitate this we need code that we can build on, scale, and maintain- for this reason nearly all of our "apps" are written from scratch including the mobile wallets. We will have some very cool stuff rolling out this month!

This is my first post, because i am one of the developers of one of the 'crap' Android wallet you refer. I had a lot of hope on your team, i was one of the initial investors and followed the evolution of the coin from the start, all bugs,  botched releases, bad QA control, everything. And never complained once, never.
And after all that, you have the nerve to call crap to others work ? Really guys ? i sold all my coins today because you really have shown that you are just a group of childish amateurs. Also your 'team' of developers consists on just one person, you can see exactly the same style in all code. With such investment you asked from people you just have one person that does most (all ? ) coding .

You delete posts that offends your work but you are happy to call crap to other software, that i am sure you even don't understand it how hypocrite is that ?

To investors : i really hope coin succeed and you win some money, i am out of here

When I read you called that wallet crap, I cringed also. Be professional, please.

There are multiple android crypto currency wallets available for open source usage and for code purchase on multiple different marketplaces. I would like to know why you are assuming the code I am speaking about is your code? I did not link to any specific code so please let me know how you are inferring that the code which I'm referring to is yours?

In either case you're right using the term "crap "– was unprofessional what I should've said was we have hired a professional android developer they reviewed one of the most popular android wallets for crypto currency's and determined that it was not worth investing more time into that CodeBase. Given the scope of syscoin, it's features, and the services we want to deliver in the wallet it would be more prudent to start again from scratch.

[madmartyk]

Hey Dano, quick question.   How much of the ICO is Moolah still holding?

[mwheeleruk]

Hey Dano, quick question.   How much of the ICO is Moolah still holding?

Madmartyk,

Full information regarding that can be found via the Moolah Blog  http://blog.moolah.io/2014/09/30/syscoin-fund-distribution-update/

[danosphere]

According with moolah's escrow of syscoin ico they should have delivered a working wallet with 4 promised services but it never happened.They also advertised about a well experienced team but in reality other shitcoins are having good marketing than syscoin .Can you really ever trust someone again after they've cheated on you? The trust is gone and will probably never be regained.

This is inaccurate. All four promised features were delivered at launch (markets, certs, aliases, data). There was an issue with service fee regen that caused forks and required an emergency patch which was applied in <48hrs. The following week we reintroduced the regenerated fees AND enabled merged mining.

So yes, we delivered everything we promised but there was a small issue which we fixed quickly and we've not had any issues since. The network has also grown astronomically since launch.

Hey Dano, quick question.   How much of the ICO is Moolah still holding?

Right now they hold 750btc + 250btc of SYS the team purchased as "earlier buy support" which equates to roughly 60mil SYS although that is not an exact figure as we've not received the exact number from them despite asking.

[android_631]

We are not using the crap Android wallet that every other coin clones because- 1) it is not very good from a code-perspective and we prefer clean, maintainable code and 2) we plan to enable all syscoin services on mobile (ios/android)- offers, certs, aliases, data and the other services we have on the roadmap (assets, escrow, multisig encryption and more). To facilitate this we need code that we can build on, scale, and maintain- for this reason nearly all of our "apps" are written from scratch including the mobile wallets. We will have some very cool stuff rolling out this month!

This is my first post, because i am one of the developers of one of the 'crap' Android wallet you refer. I had a lot of hope on your team, i was one of the initial investors and followed the evolution of the coin from the start, all bugs,  botched releases, bad QA control, everything. And never complained once, never.
And after all that, you have the nerve to call crap to others work ? Really guys ? i sold all my coins today because you really have shown that you are just a group of childish amateurs. Also your 'team' of developers consists on just one person, you can see exactly the same style in all code. With such investment you asked from people you just have one person that does most (all ? ) coding .

You delete posts that offends your work but you are happy to call crap to other software, that i am sure you even don't understand it how hypocrite is that ?

To investors : i really hope coin succeed and you win some money, i am out of here

When I read you called that wallet crap, I cringed also. Be professional, please.

There are multiple android crypto currency wallets available for open source usage and for code purchase on multiple different marketplaces. I would like to know why you are assuming the code I am speaking about is your code? I did not link to any specific code so please let me know how you are inferring that the code which I'm referring to is yours?

In either case you're right using the term "crap "– was unprofessional what I should've said was we have hired a professional android developer they reviewed one of the most popular android wallets for crypto currency's and determined that it was not worth investing more time into that CodeBase. Given the scope of syscoin, it's features, and the services we want to deliver in the wallet it would be more prudent to start again from scratch.

Yeah, exactly you should have said that. That is my point.

As i told in other posts i didn't (couldn't ? ) take it personal, what frustrated me more is the attitude, it's like you really can't learn how to deal with public relations and it is ironic that you as an official member of the project refers others work in that terms, after all there were more trouble with your wallet code than most android 'crap' wallets that i know of.

And most of that 'crap' is actually working with promised features.

It surprises me that you hired someone to review wallets, shouldn't your team do that task ? after all you guys are the only who knows what to implement and how.

As i said, if you guys had some minimum experience to manage a project big enough you would never ever deal with issues the way you deal with them, and some times it seems you didn't learn. And it is not just PR it's about project management, hit dead lines etc etc.

I know you guys mean well, but you shoot yourselves in the foot in every given opportunity,  and what is worse try to fix the mistakes with more mistakes.

I really hope that you can manage your act and succeed and learn.

[danosphere]

In my opinion the biggest risk is that some experienced team is waiting for these guys to deliver all features and then hijack the code, add minor features and make  a good release. If that happens will be the end for syscoin because there will be a copycat with better support and better experience for users. Welcome to the darkside of free software. I even think that's the reason of the perceived low price.


 

Any team that attempt this (and their welcome to) would be somewhat reliant on us to keep their fork working since Syscoin is an entirely different animal than any other altcoin. Additionally, we have many new services coming, they'd always be one step behind at the least. We welcome this though, it's what open source and competition is all about. It's just highly unlikely such an effort would succeed.

[mwheeleruk]

What progress have you made since launch?

Hi Ralph,

A massive amount has been in development since launch and the initial issues that arose, please visit our Blog for more information on the key items that have been implemented since the launch of Syscoin http://syscoin.org/blog/

You can also follow us on twitter @syscoin to follow any additional updates, or news. The website also has links to our forum and reddit to follow the progress.

[Beachguy]

What progress have you made since launch?

Its all out there Ralph.

[optigon]

BTC raising, let's panic buy SYS back :-)

[mwheeleruk]

What progress have you made since launch?

Hi Ralph,

A massive amount has been in development since launch and the initial issues that arose, please visit our Blog for more information on the key items that have been implemented since the launch of Syscoin http://syscoin.org/blog/

You can also follow us on twitter @syscoin to follow any additional updates, or news. The website also has links to our forum and reddit to follow the progress.

Ah! Was looking for a TLDR  so much noise surrounding SYS mostly bad things I have trouble sorting the noise out.

Just wanted to know the progress in short

Like with anything in the Crypto Scene it's mixed information or someone not fully understanding, reading incorrect information or  something or simply trying to FUD.

If you need to ask a question, ask us and we'll respond with an honest answer to the best of our ability. In Short we are working on the release of 0.1.5 which is currently within the Release Candidate Stage then it's into the Syscoin Promotional Campaign #2 towards the last week of this month.

[android_631]

In my opinion the biggest risk is that some experienced team is waiting for these guys to deliver all features and then hijack the code, add minor features and make  a good release. If that happens will be the end for syscoin because there will be a copycat with better support and better experience for users. Welcome to the darkside of free software. I even think that's the reason of the perceived low price.


 

Any team that attempt this (and their welcome to) would be somewhat reliant on us to keep their fork working since Syscoin is an entirely different animal than any other altcoin. Additionally, we have many new services coming, they'd always be one step behind at the least. We welcome this though, it's what open source and competition is all about. It's just highly unlikely such an effort would succeed.

Now that is actually a good answer ! But in my experience,  it is not about technical features, it's about perceived user experience. Suppose that someone make Syscoin2,
all the code copied and pasted and just changes logos and beautiful wallet. But they make a release without problems, if some one makes  negative comments,  the main (only ? ) developer don't call him necrophiliac or something like that (a post of some poor random guy that made me laugh),  almost every response wasn't 'professional' , suppose they  hit every deadline even if the proposed feature is "change font size"; i can assure you that coin will prevail even with less features.

Your coder is good, but he isn't as good as he thinks he is; from a software architect perspective i can bet he didn't comply with most basic requirements for software development management , you can notice that with just one review of the code. You can argue that it was because he didn't have time, or he didn't care for standards, i don't know, it's irrelevant.  But his attitude (and all your team  at the beginning)  made clear that you guys already reached their prime, that all other works are crap and you are the peak on software development. That is far from truth.

If only you can learn and follow more experienced teams you would know what i am talking about

In my opinion that is the reason for the low price, not the technical merits (which we should see in next releases) but management issues that makes experienced investors to think that your team is not capable to handle a big project.

When i was  younger i was arrogant too, and some team more experienced hijacked my work (not an Android project in case you wonder) and believe me my work was technically better it didn't matter. I don't blame them now, i have learned; i hope you learn before this sh** happens to you.

[cryptodaknight]

In my opinion the biggest risk is that some experienced team is waiting for these guys to deliver all features and then hijack the code, add minor features and make  a good release. If that happens will be the end for syscoin because there will be a copycat with better support and better experience for users. Welcome to the darkside of free software. I even think that's the reason of the perceived low price.


 

Any team that attempt this (and their welcome to) would be somewhat reliant on us to keep their fork working since Syscoin is an entirely different animal than any other altcoin. Additionally, we have many new services coming, they'd always be one step behind at the least. We welcome this though, it's what open source and competition is all about. It's just highly unlikely such an effort would succeed.

Now that is actually a good answer ! But in my experience,  it is not about technical features, it's about perceived user experience. Suppose that someone make Syscoin2,
all the code copied and pasted and just changes logos and beautiful wallet. But they make a release without problems, if some one makes  negative comments,  the main (only ? ) developer don't call him necrophiliac or something like that (a post of some poor random guy that made me laugh),  almost every response wasn't 'professional' , suppose they  hit every deadline even if the proposed feature is "change font size"; i can assure you that coin will prevail even with less features.

Your coder is good, but he isn't as good as he thinks he is; from a software architect perspective i can bet he didn't comply with most basic requirements for software development management , you can notice that with just one review of the code. You can argue that it was because he didn't have time, or he didn't care for standards, i don't know, it's irrelevant.  But his attitude (and all your team  at the beginning)  made clear that you guys already reached their prime, that all other works are crap and you are the peak on software development. That is far from the truth.

If only you can learn and follow more experienced teams you would know what i am talking about

In my opinion that is the reason for the low price, not the technical merits (which we should see in next releases) but management issues that makes experienced investors to think that your team is not capable to handle a big project.

When i was  younger i was arrogant too, and some team more experienced hijacked my work (not an Android project in case you wonder) and believe me my work was technically better it didn't matter. I don't blame them now, i have learned; i hope you learn before this sh** happens to you.

You might be right, but still these guys have done so much more than most in cryptos. I think probably a professional experienced business leader/manger might be a good addition to the team. Someone paid in not only BTC but in syscoin that has a stake in seeing this grow.

Thus far they have done well overall with questions and aswers, team is knowledgeable, but maybe a someone with not only programming knowledge but business real world experience would be a lovely addition to the team.

Just my two cents.

[android_631]

In my opinion the biggest risk is that some experienced team is waiting for these guys to deliver all features and then hijack the code, add minor features and make  a good release. If that happens will be the end for syscoin because there will be a copycat with better support and better experience for users. Welcome to the darkside of free software. I even think that's the reason of the perceived low price.


 

Any team that attempt this (and their welcome to) would be somewhat reliant on us to keep their fork working since Syscoin is an entirely different animal than any other altcoin. Additionally, we have many new services coming, they'd always be one step behind at the least. We welcome this though, it's what open source and competition is all about. It's just highly unlikely such an effort would succeed.

Now that is actually a good answer ! But in my experience,  it is not about technical features, it's about perceived user experience. Suppose that someone make Syscoin2,
all the code copied and pasted and just changes logos and beautiful wallet. But they make a release without problems, if some one makes  negative comments,  the main (only ? ) developer don't call him necrophiliac or something like that (a post of some poor random guy that made me laugh),  almost every response wasn't 'professional' , suppose they  hit every deadline even if the proposed feature is "change font size"; i can assure you that coin will prevail even with less features.

Your coder is good, but he isn't as good as he thinks he is; from a software architect perspective i can bet he didn't comply with most basic requirements for software development management , you can notice that with just one review of the code. You can argue that it was because he didn't have time, or he didn't care for standards, i don't know, it's irrelevant.  But his attitude (and all your team  at the beginning)  made clear that you guys already reached their prime, that all other works are crap and you are the peak on software development. That is far from the truth.

If only you can learn and follow more experienced teams you would know what i am talking about

In my opinion that is the reason for the low price, not the technical merits (which we should see in next releases) but management issues that makes experienced investors to think that your team is not capable to handle a big project.

When i was  younger i was arrogant too, and some team more experienced hijacked my work (not an Android project in case you wonder) and believe me my work was technically better it didn't matter. I don't blame them now, i have learned; i hope you learn before this sh** happens to you.

You might be right, but still these guys have done so much more than most in cryptos. I think probably a professional experienced business leader/manger might be a good addition to the team. Someone paid in not only BTC but in syscoin that has a stake in seeing this grow.

Thus far they have done well overall with questions and aswers, team is knowledgeable, but maybe a someone with not only programming knowledge but business real world experience would be a lovely addition to the team.

Just my two cents.

You are right that the concepts and ideas are good ! but believe me, a good manager will know that is easier, cheaper and potentially more profitable to 'borrow' the code  ( because it is completely legal) and market it as its own brand, it is a common practice.
The code is not particularly difficult to understand (once you understand how crypto coins work) as Dano tried to imply. You can hire one Bitcoin expert and indian user support and that's it; granted, you need money but a lot less than 1500 Btc's.

I am not a  trader, i invest always long term, my opinion is that the actual experience of the current team isn't enough to win this race. I don't blame them, i made a bet i have  chosen to believe in internet profiles knowing the risk and i lost, that's it.

Maybe i am wrong who knows, but i wish the best of luck to all of you.