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April 30, 2015, 11:25:41 AM Last edit: April 30, 2015, 02:45:37 PM by Pentax |
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blackarrow is trying to be aloof and superior and quoting from ToS, but as part of the black arrow scam he's deleting the replies that quote from his own promised terms which he used to secure orders and payments on this forum, so here's a copy of my reply for posterity: 11.3 The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order.
While you're playing the quoting game, how about you look at your own written promises that purchases were made based upon: - "What we are trying to say is:
-...This is our promise. If products from competition will have ROI in February than our products will have as well." - "At the same time we promise that our prices will be below market price at the time we ship. "
- "Bottom line is, whoever trusts us now, we promise that will help them to mine profitably after February as well."
Not to mention numerous statements that this was not funded with customer money, nor the simple fact that they promised people refunds then jammed product on on them There is also the problem of consumer law. If their TOS violates consumer law in the countries in which which they sold, those portions are invalid. In the U.S., UK,Europe they can't do this. We saw what happened with BFL when they tried basically this same shit, and it didn't work out so well.
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April 30, 2015, 11:33:23 AM |
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They didn't use customer bitcoin payments whatsoever to purchase materials or labor.
I have never heard of a single batch 1 customer's bitcoin payment ever moving whatsoever until a few months ago, when BA claimed that funds were stolen from them, despite BA's term of sale specifying that fiat conversions were to be done via BTC-e.
In reality what happened is they used BTC-e just for the conversion rate, to take advantage of the fact that they would receive the maximum number of bitcoins for an invoiced dollar amount, and fraudulently charged all bitcoin customers "conversion" fees that were fictitious from the very beginning, as their ultimate intention was to embezzle their revenues.
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April 30, 2015, 12:46:01 PM |
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They didn't use customer bitcoin payments whatsoever to purchase materials or labor.
I have never heard of a single batch 1 customer's bitcoin payment ever moving whatsoever until a few months ago, when BA claimed that funds were stolen from them, despite BA's term of sale specifying that fiat conversions were to be done via BTC-e.
In reality what happened is they used BTC-e just for the conversion rate, to take advantage of the fact that they would receive the maximum number of bitcoins for an invoiced dollar amount, and fraudulently charged all bitcoin customers "conversion" fees that were fictitious from the very beginning, as their ultimate intention was to embezzle their revenues.
Well at least we can take some comfort in knowing that they have lost a lot of value because bitcoin was 4 to 5X what it is today when we were ordering. Yet again, they are idiots for not doing what they said they would, and have lost a substantial some of value because of this, does my heart a little good.
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May 01, 2015, 02:02:42 AM Last edit: May 01, 2015, 09:02:25 AM by Bicknellski |
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http://www.saic.gov.cn/english/aboutus/Anyone sent a formal complaint here yet? Compensation for fraudulent sellers can be as high as 3x the value of the item. Start there. Consumer advocates can be called in to help you with the processing of your complaint. http://www.saic.gov.cn/english/LawsRegulations/Laws/200602/t20060227_55251.html Contents
Chapter I General Provisions
Chapter II Rights of Consumers
Chapter III Obligations of Businees Operators
Chapter IV Protection of the Legitimate Rights and Interests of Consumers by the State
Chapter V Consumer Organizations
Chapter VI Settlement of Disputes
Chapter VII Legal Responsibility
Chapter VIII Supplementary Provisions
Chapter I General Provisions
Article 1
The present Law is formulated for the protection of the legitimate rights and interests of
consumers, maintenance of the socio-economic order and promotion of the healthy development of
socialist market economy.
Article 2
The rights and interests of consumers in purchasing and using commodities or receiving
services for daily consumption shall be under the protection of the present Law, or under the
protection of other relevant laws and regulations in absence of stipulations in this Law.
Article 3
Business operators shall, in their supply of commodities produced and sold by them or
services to consumers, abide by the present Law, or abide by other relevant laws and regulations
in absence of stipulations in the present law.
Article 4
In transactions between business operators and consumers a principle of voluntariness,
equality, fairness, honesty and credibility shall be followed.
Article 5
The State shall protect the legitimate rights and interests of consumers from infringement.
The State shall adopt measures to safeguard consumers' exercise of their rights in accordance
with the law and to maintain the legitimate rights and interests of consumers.
Article 6
It is the common responsibility of the whole society to protect the legitimate rights and
interests of consumers.
The State shall encourage and support all organizations and individuals to exercise social
supervision over acts infringing upon consumer rights and interests.
Mass media shall conduct propaganda defending the legitimate rights and interests of
consumers and, through public opinion, exercise supervision over acts infringing upon the
legitimate rights and interests of consumers.
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May 03, 2015, 03:44:53 AM |
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The Hong Kong Police have contacted me as they have opened a case against Black Arrow Limited and Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation.
It's been assigned a Police Report Number, an Investigation "Team" and has a lead detective. It is under active investigation.
Due to the email stating that the information cannot be reproduced as the information may be for my eyes only, I am not going to repost the detective's name, report number, or contact information. I also don't want Black Arrow to contact the Detective first and supply them false information like their constantly changing "terms of service" that nobody ever agreed to.
Hopefully they do more than the Thames police did.
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May 04, 2015, 12:30:09 AM |
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The Hong Kong Police have contacted me as they have opened a case against Black Arrow Limited and Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation.
It's been assigned a Police Report Number, an Investigation "Team" and has a lead detective. It is under active investigation.
Due to the email stating that the information cannot be reproduced as the information may be for my eyes only, I am not going to repost the detective's name, report number, or contact information. I also don't want Black Arrow to contact the Detective first and supply them false information like their constantly changing "terms of service" that nobody ever agreed to.
Hopefully they do more than the Thames police did.
Hong Kong Police don't fuck around...they will be charge don't worry about that. Where the signatures on these so-called contracts? Nobody signed their shit.
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May 04, 2015, 12:32:54 AM |
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The Hong Kong Police have contacted me as they have opened a case against Black Arrow Limited and Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation.
It's been assigned a Police Report Number, an Investigation "Team" and has a lead detective. It is under active investigation.
Due to the email stating that the information cannot be reproduced as the information may be for my eyes only, I am not going to repost the detective's name, report number, or contact information. I also don't want Black Arrow to contact the Detective first and supply them false information like their constantly changing "terms of service" that nobody ever agreed to.
Hopefully they do more than the Thames police did.
Hong Kong Police don't fuck around...they will be charge don't worry about that. Where the signatures on these so-called contracts? Nobody signed their shit. WOOT WOOT, please keep us updated, love anything that happens to bring these guys down.
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May 19, 2015, 02:45:42 PM |
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cross posted from the main BA thread: Well I returned my hosting contract months ago and have heard nothing back from them. Fuck you BA. Someone quote me in as they delete my posts ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) So, what you're saying is that the offer to have the units hosted instead of shipped actually resulted in no hosting and no shipping? that wouldn't surprise me either, but I was not aware of this tangent in their ongoing scam. has anyone else that agreed to having these people host these had this same thing happen? has anyone that agree to have them hosted actually gotten paid?
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May 27, 2015, 03:14:48 AM |
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The Hong Kong Police have contacted me as they have opened a case against Black Arrow Limited and Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation.
It's been assigned a Police Report Number, an Investigation "Team" and has a lead detective. It is under active investigation.
Due to the email stating that the information cannot be reproduced as the information may be for my eyes only, I am not going to repost the detective's name, report number, or contact information. I also don't want Black Arrow to contact the Detective first and supply them false information like their constantly changing "terms of service" that nobody ever agreed to.
Hopefully they do more than the Thames police did.
Hong Kong Police don't fuck around...they will be charge don't worry about that. Where the signatures on these so-called contracts? Nobody signed their shit. WOOT WOOT, please keep us updated, love anything that happens to bring these guys down. Absolutely keep us informed please. Hopefully yet this story might have an ending that isn't simply "scammers disappearing into the night with bitcoins and cash" ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Good luck with it all. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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May 27, 2015, 03:50:18 AM |
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And maybe it's their new 14nm chip that has them so busy.
tapeout was supposed to be December, with release in May 2015, from what I remember.
14nm chip has been cancelled. So have refunds.
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June 01, 2015, 07:34:57 AM |
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Hey look, Alex "Prison-sex" Sovu is deleting posts again...
What new scam are they they about to launch?
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June 01, 2015, 08:21:34 AM Last edit: June 01, 2015, 08:32:08 AM by btmtb |
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I cannot understand these continuing attempts to censor discussion and erase the total black arrow failure. The blackarrow censorship bot appears to have gone back and deleted all posts by victims they've shitlisted since the beginning of time, blindly, regardless of content and contribution. Including some where I supported the early delays and shipping time lies. Failure to engage brain, surely.
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June 01, 2015, 08:31:10 AM |
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Fucking retards, 16 posts deleted yet everyone still knows you are useless, lying, fucks
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June 01, 2015, 04:20:52 PM |
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Hey look, Alex "Prison-sex" Sovu is deleting posts again...
What new scam are they they about to launch?
yep, back at it with the BOT. They'd better get a nuclear powered PC they can store in a salt mine or something, as the stink of their thievery will outlast any such attempt to scrub the truth. Alex Sovu and Cristina Ixari are criminals formerly charged with organized credit card fraud in Romania, everyone knows this. Black Arrow is a corrupt business that does not abide by the promises it makes, everyone knows this. No company that operates this way survives. They cannot make it on this shit wallet as only a complete moron would buy this from this band of roving thieves. Their other products are dogshit and are obsolete even if they weren't It's all over but the eventual shuttering of this shit company, as it's days in the BTC space are over. Fuck you Alex, Cristina, Daniel and the rest of you scammers at Black Arrow.
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June 02, 2015, 07:05:15 AM |
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I will wear my nine removed posts like a badge of honor. When you said "we're going to delay the chip for two months because we're actually running ponzi scam and you bought it hook-line-and-sinker with our Bitfury trash boards".
We said "hey bro, this is not cool".
And they said "Wah, wah, wah, you hurt our engineers' feelings! Now they can't fix the boards that are exploding catching fire displaying red LEDs." And we said "Why are your engineers such crybabies?" And you said "You're a big blue meanie! Off to the back of the delivery queue for you! And no compensation units for you either!" And we said "Fuck you, give us our money back!" And Jumbley said "Rah, rah, sis boom bah!" The latest BlackArrow wheeze: Dear customer, Your order is ready to ship. Please confirm the address we have for shipping for your order is correct. If you have already done so, please ignore this email and wait for your tracking number in the next few days. If you have not confirmed yet your shipping address, please send us an email with below fields filled in Name: House No, Street: City, Postcode: Province: Country: Phone no: We are also sending shipping address confirmation requests from Black Arrow tickets system. However since the end of last year it seems that some of our correspondence sent out from the tickets system does not reach our customers' Inbox. Our messages either reach Spam folder or they do not reach the email address at all. Please do not reply to this message/email address with the above required details. This address is used to make sure our messages reach our customers. Please go on our website at: https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/support/index.php?/Tickets/Submit , tick the Shipping department and send us the required information. All pending orders are in our warehouse ready for dispatch as soon as you provide us the above details so we can update our records. Please be aware that depending on your local customs regulations and taxation laws when importing goods from abroad you might be liable of paying duty fees or some other fees such as customs clearance fees. If you will not agree to pay them, the package might return to destination country or be destroyed by local customs. Please note that it is your duty to clear customs and pay all required fees. If you fail to do so and the package returns to us, you will be ceasing all rights to the package and it will not be send back to you again. Guess what, incompetent assholes? I don't want my miners any more! If you ship them to me, I'll be throwing good money after bad for 1) customs duties and 2) electricity that costs me more than the miners will yield in BTC. I told you this directly via e-mail, and requested that you destroy my units and send me proof of destruction, and also refund the $50 shipping fees that you will not incur as a result of not shipping my order. But you chose to ignore that. So fuck you, fuck you, and FUCK YOU. Shove my miners up your incompetent asses, where they will hopefully explode. You couldn't find your assholes with both hands and a funnel. You couldn't organize a piss-up at a brewery. Where are our refunds? ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) 11.3 The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order. Just words. Like your promises to send us miners that were actually worth something, on time, and didn't explode. I can't wait until the Russian mafia comes looking for you. Funnily enough, plugging it in also results in destruction of your equipment.
I agree that it is funny. However, it is not true. As explained in the news posted several months ago, only few miners had an issue that caused the mosfet to short-circuit itself. This was due to a poor design made in cooperation an Onsemi FAE. After working with Vishay's engineers we have fixed the issue. We have been replacing under warranty all miners and/or boards affected. I reported to you one X-3 affected by this issue: Ticket ID: QNA-765-48102 Subject: X-3 affected by burning hashboards problem I got no answer then (despite my inquires) and the ticket is removed. So no, you haven't been replacing under warranty ALL miner/boards affected. My miners (two cases of one X-3) still wait to be repaired and I've got no RMA to send you the boards. RMA or no RMA, they demand that you send them the faulty boards at your expense. And pay for the testing if they turn out not to be faulty (which they judge, of course). I'd imply that dealing with Black Arrow is like dealing with the Devil himself, but the Devil keeps his promises. Dear Black Arrow,
I am still waiting for the refund of my shipping fees, having written off the $900 I paid you for three X1s that were never delivered.
At this point, I would be surprised if you could find your own asshole, even if you used both hands and a funnel.
I hope the Russian collectors catch up with you soon.
Mockingly yours, ElGrandJefe
Did you confirm your shipping address? All X1 have been in stock for the last 4-5 months. No, but I confirmed that I didn't want the shipment, which you acknowledged. Or did the guy who acknowledged it also ship a million bucks worth of equipment to a reseller who didn't pay for it, and then get fired? Dear Black Arrow,
I am still waiting for the refund of my shipping fees, having written off the $900 I paid you for three X1s that were never delivered.
At this point, I would be surprised if you could find your own asshole, even if you used both hands and a funnel.
I hope the Russian collectors catch up with you soon.
Mockingly yours, ElGrandJefe Any advice for what to use it on?
Doorstop Paperweight Voodoo doll Conversation piece (for extremely depressing conversations) Skeet-shooting target Whatever you do, don't plug it in. They apparently weren't made to take that kind of punishment. Funnily enough, plugging it in also results in destruction of your equipment. Where is my refund? ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) Gone to the hookers and coke dealers, most likely. BA Before: "Welcome to Black Arrow Software. Your money is well-invested with us. We promise on-time delivery, reliable miners, and compensation for potential delays." BA After: "We have your money. Now fuck off. Yeah, we're late - so what? Our miner caught on fire? Give us some money and we'll exchange it for you. What? That one caught on fire, too? No, it was just a red LED. Fuck off. What? You want the compensation we've been promising for the last 12 months? FUCK OFF!" As always, fuck you, Black Arrow Software. Fuck you, Alex Sovu and your gang of scammers. Watch your pretty little head - I'm sure there's a big price on it.
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June 03, 2015, 11:28:51 AM |
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Anybody who paid via HSBC please contact the HK Police at mkdist-dit-2-office@police.gov.hk or file a report on their website. The more customers they have the stronger the case will be and we can shutter this fraudulent business for good. With a little bit of luck these Romanian assholes will be lined up and shot.
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June 03, 2015, 11:44:02 AM |
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Anybody who paid via HSBC please contact the HK Police at mkdist-dit-2-office@police.gov.hk or file a report on their website. The more customers they have the stronger the case will be and we can shutter this fraudulent business for good. With a little bit of luck these Romanian assholes will be lined up and shot.A waste of good bullets.... Wouldn't piss on these useless cunts
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June 11, 2015, 05:32:31 AM |
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They're still pathetically trying to cleanse the other thread. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. And maybe it's their new 14nm chip that has them so busy.
tapeout was supposed to be December, with release in May 2015, from what I remember.
14nm chip has been cancelled. You can't cancel what you never planned. Oh, they had plans, all right - they planned to fleece people over another generation of hardware vaporware. Two, in fact, if you count the Scrypt ASIC chip that was right around the corner. Guess they need to go back to skimming credit cards to get seed capital for their next venture. What's the point? Everyone knows that Black Arrow Software are at best hopelessly incompetent and at worst criminal frauds. I wonder if they're even bright enough to find this other thread.
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June 14, 2015, 09:54:46 AM |
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There's a copy of the first pdf (PS300015776549_01.pdf) here: http://docdro.id/13fp2
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