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[a1choi]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301412.msg3247358#msg3247358

Here is Peter Rs analysis - somebody do this.

To pull out that graph for manteol, one needs to know each of his bets...not likely to be available in this eon. Yea we could suppose
all at 49.5%
1k at 7btc
12.5k at 2btc
33k at 1btc etc etc you get the idea... but to put into perspective with my previous analysis... here's what world's luckiest gambler managed to do (Attention: profit/loss is reversed with PeterR's graph) :

To make it clearer, each of the color bands refers to 1SD away from the mean.  Notice how 600 profit would be another 2 color bands away?  thats 5 SD away from the mean.  pretty fucking impossible if you could get any more impossible.. nak, on the other hand, was only a little over 2SD away.  not too fucking crazy.

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[GeoRW]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301412.msg3247358#msg3247358

Here is Peter Rs analysis - somebody do this.

To pull out that graph for manteol, one needs to know each of his bets...not likely to be available in this eon. Yea we could suppose
all at 49.5%
1k at 7btc
12.5k at 2btc
33k at 1btc etc etc you get the idea... but to put into perspective with my previous analysis... here's what world's luckiest gambler managed to do (Attention: profit/loss is reversed with PeterR's graph) :

To make it clearer, each of the color bands refers to 1SD away from the mean.  Notice how 600 profit would be another 2 color bands away?  thats 5 SD away from the mean.  pretty fucking impossible if you could get any more impossible.. nak, on the other hand, was only a little over 2SD away.  not too fucking crazy.

Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.

[Joecker]

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Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.

That Kelly troll shit has to end! .. it does NOT apply to a gambler gambling in a casino with a positive house edge!

[qconnet06]

I was another late withdrawing investor losing about 7BTC. I am keen to speak with others about what they plan to do next, if anything. Quickly reviewing this thread it seems the following lost a significant percentage of their investment due to Mateo, I'm sure there are many more.

jh7phone -8.5 BTC
Qconnet07 (me) -7 BTC
Martijnvdc -0.251 BTC
Dabs -1.14 BTC
nicolaennio -0.09 BTC

Would other ex-investors be interested in meeting in an IRC room/somewhere else to discuss further at some point soon? I am on GMT.

I feel that one clear voice from a collective will be more effective that individual support tickets, all of which are just going to ignored/deleted.

I find it highly suspect that Manl/Gerry won't release Mateo's betting data for audit and see this as good as an admission of guilt. Their lack of action to halt betting and quick processing of Mateo's withdraw, coupled with the coincidental 500BTC bankroll that suddenly appeared, all scream of foul play at the expense of investors.

Would others be interested in discussing our options further in private? Please let me know and we can agree a time and day. 

[Joecker]

He(or they) is laughing reading us, he's getting high on C and H and weed. He's fucking (underaged) boys and girls right now...

If you're planing to waste the guy(s), better go torchat directly ;P

edit: but be cautious... GUYS... he could as well come here (with a new account ) and present himself as a (fake) victim and ... fuck you over again :/

[mvalley]

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Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.

That Kelly troll shit has to end! .. it does NOT apply to a gambler gambling in a casino with a positive house edge!

Kelly definitely works when the system is rigged for a particular bettor

[a1choi]

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Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.

That Kelly troll shit has to end! .. it does NOT apply to a gambler gambling in a casino with a positive house edge!

Kelly definitely works when the system is rigged for a particular bettor

yes, but the assumptions here are that Mateo is a normal user.  And that within those bounds, what are the chances of this legitimately happening.  Thus we can conclude whether or not, mateo is a legitimate user or not.

Also, I believe GeoRW was just pointing out the fact that Nak was playing at 1% and Mateo was playing at max 0.5%.  Thus mateo's run is even more legendary/improbable, as he was able to win 5-6x more of the bankroll than Nak was, at a lower max bet.  Amazing luck, or suspicious?  I'd say suspicious.

I was another late withdrawing investor losing about 7BTC. I am keen to speak with others about what they plan to do next, if anything. Quickly reviewing this thread it seems the following lost a significant percentage of their investment due to Mateo, I'm sure there are many more.

jh7phone -8.5 BTC
Qconnet07 (me) -7 BTC
Martijnvdc -0.251 BTC
Dabs -1.14 BTC
nicolaennio -0.09 BTC

Would other ex-investors be interested in meeting in an IRC room/somewhere else to discuss further at some point soon? I am on GMT.

I feel that one clear voice from a collective will be more effective that individual support tickets, all of which are just going to ignored/deleted.

I find it highly suspect that Manl/Gerry won't release Mateo's betting data for audit and see this as good as an admission of guilt. Their lack of action to halt betting and quick processing of Mateo's withdraw, coupled with the coincidental 500BTC bankroll that suddenly appeared, all scream of foul play at the expense of investors.

Would others be interested in discussing our options further in private? Please let me know and we can agree a time and day.  

From the grapevine, someone lost 80-90BTCs because of this.  he's probably pretty pissed off.  If that specific user wants to speak up, he should add his name to the list.

[jh7phone]

In the Copypasta response I got manl said he "Rolled Back" the admin so how do we know it wasn't tampered with before rigged bets were noticed. He doesn't check the code before he published his site to the web so maybe manl put some "malicious bug" in there hiding an evil bug out of plain sight maybe coded to seem like legit code.


The malicious code is plausibly deniable anyway I guarntee he's covered his track or edited history to look real. I'll wait for any official response from dicebitcoin but most likely he's long gone by now leaving his website on autopilot. I have no plans to go on TOR to "waste" him, it's only a few thousand dollars I'll survive.

[nicolaennio]

I find it highly suspect that Manl/Gerry won't release Mateo's betting data for audit and see this as good as an admission of guilt.

Auditing Mateo's data would be pointless if the data is provided by the site itself. It needs to come from an independent source (which probably does not exist).

[wayshegoes]

I was another late withdrawing investor losing about 7BTC. I am keen to speak with others about what they plan to do next, if anything. Quickly reviewing this thread it seems the following lost a significant percentage of their investment due to Mateo, I'm sure there are many more.

jh7phone -8.5 BTC
Qconnet07 (me) -7 BTC
Martijnvdc -0.251 BTC
Dabs -1.14 BTC
nicolaennio -0.09 BTC

Would other ex-investors be interested in meeting in an IRC room/somewhere else to discuss further at some point soon? I am on GMT.

I feel that one clear voice from a collective will be more effective that individual support tickets, all of which are just going to ignored/deleted.

I find it highly suspect that Manl/Gerry won't release Mateo's betting data for audit and see this as good as an admission of guilt. Their lack of action to halt betting and quick processing of Mateo's withdraw, coupled with the coincidental 500BTC bankroll that suddenly appeared, all scream of foul play at the expense of investors.

Would others be interested in discussing our options further in private? Please let me know and we can agree a time and day.  

Contact user 1ruru on these forums. As I understand it, he lost more coins than you all combined. He intentionally invested because he thought it was an investor who tilted.

Somebody needs to do a graph similar to nakowa's like uvwvj posted above to show visually how close to impossible his profit was. He flat bet constantly, nakowa did NOT flat bet constantly. He flat bet a lot, but not constantly.

No messages from manl or gerry for days. This is entirely normal I'm sure.

[cdnbcguy]

What is the status of signature payouts?
When do we get the money?
Is there theard for this?

Everyone has been paid. You can remove the signature now.

yes paid after losing 5/6 of my investment - Godamn the soul of those responsible to Hell forever.

[a1choi]

In the Copypasta response I got manl said he "Rolled Back" the admin so how do we know it wasn't tampered with before rigged bets were noticed. He doesn't check the code before he published his site to the web so maybe manl put some "malicious bug" in there hiding an evil bug out of plain sight maybe coded to seem like legit code.


The malicious code is plausibly deniable anyway I guarntee he's covered his track or edited history to look real. I'll wait for any official response from dicebitcoin but most likely he's long gone by now leaving his website on autopilot. I have no plans to go on TOR to "waste" him, it's only a few thousand dollars I'll survive.

Wow, first time i've seen him say anything about Mateo.  Legit user?  So they allowed the withdrawal?  Does anyone have a potential blockchain txn for Mateo's withdrawal?  If mateo is legit, hopefully he shows himself on this thread. :p

Somebody needs to do a graph similar to nakowa's like uvwvj posted above to show visually how close to impossible his profit was. He flat bet constantly, nakowa did NOT flat bet constantly. He flat bet a lot, but not constantly.

the best graph you're going to get is Joecker's graph above.  We simply do not have the required data to make anything more detailed.  Ask Manl/Gerry for the data.  LOL

[GeoRW]

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Nakowa also played at full Kelly while Matteo only at half Kelly, so it's much more improbable. As far as I remember Nakowa didn't win 85% of house bankroll like Matteo but it was only around 15%.

That Kelly troll shit has to end! .. it does NOT apply to a gambler gambling in a casino with a positive house edge!

You can turn it around as casino losing 85% of bankroll at 0.5% Kelly while JD lost "only" 15% of bankroll at full Kelly (whatever player/players were playing ;-)

[finnile]

Ok Guys After going after DB now I have something on PRC. The site is run by a good guy Dean, however it has had bugs from day one.
First the sjess case and now I figured this.
Just Like DB I had an instance of Bets skipped at PRC.
 Too Bad it happens with me only.

I tried negotiating with Dean but he didn't agree or care, So Here it is :
 THe video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ewu84DChS0

Dean might give excuses for this happening, but point is, it might have happened in the past and might have caused people to lose, and there is no way to check . Sorry but had to post this. Good Luck Happy Gambling.



EDIT: I also tried negotiating with Dean for 1 BTC but never happened. Smiley

[Joecker]

aaaaaand .... again. No way to verify all bets as the data will come from the author itself.

About these off blockchain casinos, nothing will prevent site ops of making up magical bankroll or running away with investors fund.

Gamblers: you need (to develop) a browser plug in to check bets in a automated process.  Any rational gambler would check the code himself.

"Alleged" scammers (=casinos) count on the fact that you can't (manually) check tons of data (you're not even able to collect).

[furiousjack]

this is bull shit i checked all bets, nothing skipped. 

[Bitco¡n]

13:45: Dean Nolan when you bet, your bets get cached on server so that when you refresh page it doesnt need to do a db call....
13:45: zolace u neeed to get another coder to help u find it
13:45: finnile @zolace say sorry really?
13:45: finnile what for?
13:46: zolace for causing distress
13:46: Dean Nolan now it seems like a couple of his did not get added to the cache so on next visit, a day later, it was not loaded into the my bets tab

So to me, it looks like the bets did show up when they were made (on the first day), but due to a db caching issue, didn't show up on the second day when the site was reloaded.  This is where the confusion has come from.

So there is a small display bug here (missing bets from the display from previous days), but no foul play.

[PocketRocketsCasino]

Ok Guys After going after DB now I have something on PRC. The site is run by a good guy Dean, however it has had bugs from day one.
First the sjess case and now I figured this.
Just Like DB I had an instance of Bets skipped at PRC.
 Too Bad it happens with me only.

I tried negotiating with Dean but he didn't agree or care, So Here it is :
 THe video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ewu84DChS0

Dean might give excuses for this happening, but point is, it might have happened in the past and might have caused people to lose, and there is no way to check . Sorry but had to post this. Good Luck Happy Gambling.



EDIT: I also tried negotiating with Dean for 1 BTC but never happened. Smiley

Finnile is posting misinformation here. I guess he never got the response or the ransom he wanted by posting in the official PRC thread.
You can get all the details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg8775135#msg8775135

[wayshegoes]

Where are manl and gerry?

[Dabs]

With funds from Ruru and his watch collection.

Ruru invested here too? Ok, I guess I don't feel so bad. But losing coins is relative. That's like a whole bunch of sleepless nights doing posts, or a whole bunch of escrow contracts. Good thing I don't touch donation money except to buy food.