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[a1choi]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=761086.msg8582381#msg8582381

Seems like manl and gerry blew all their funds on ponzi schemes.

13days ago...

And you probably should update your sarcasm detector

sarcasm or not, its not assuring to have an operator joke about the bankroll like that.

[Joecker]

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And you probably should update your sarcasm detector
https://i.imgur.com/18AWTb1.png

And you, your signature greedy fuck ! (sorry for language)

[onlinepro]

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And you probably should update your sarcasm detector

And you, your signature greedy fuck ! (sorry for language)

Find me other signature campaign that pays better and I will change.
And you're just jealous because you can't wear signature. (you greedy fuck!!! sorry language).

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

And you, your signature greedy fuck ! (sorry for language)

Leave negative feedback for him

[Joecker]

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Leave negative feedback for him

Nahh, I was childish.. after all
https://i.imgur.com/yP050uO.png </sarcasm>. Back to "topic"

[bittathisbittathat]

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Leave negative feedback for him

Nahh, I was childish.. after all
https://i.imgur.com/yP050uO.png </sarcasm>. Back to "topic"

awful to still use the signature, directing people to a known scam site. you guys must have no consciences

[marcotheminer]

And you, your signature greedy fuck ! (sorry for language)

Leave negative feedback for him

Likewise PM me other members who are going to continue wearing it

[marcotheminer]

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And you probably should update your sarcasm detector

And you, your signature greedy fuck ! (sorry for language)

Find me other signature campaign that pays better and I will change.
And you're just jealous because you can't wear signature. (you greedy fuck!!! sorry language).

You're choosing to promote a scam site and possible leading to new users running into problems over changing campaign and earning a tiny bit less..

[Mitchell]

Fucking hell man. You're choosing to promote a scam site and possible leading to new users running into problems over changing campaign and earning a tiny bit less.. Shameful

And you didnt? You sticked with the campaign until you got paid and now you are bashing others. Such morals.

[marcotheminer]

Fucking hell man. You're choosing to promote a scam site and possible leading to new users running into problems over changing campaign and earning a tiny bit less.. Shameful

And you didnt? You sticked with the campaign until you got paid and now you are bashing others. Such morals.

The site became a scam just before I was paid for my posts. I continued to post when there was a lot of uncertainty as to what was happening. It is now clear what has happened (proven to be untrustworthy) yet those users consciously continue to advertise them. I dropped as soon as I got an early payment.

[Mitchell]

The site became a scam just before I was paid for my posts. I continued to post when there was a lot of uncertainty as to what was happening. It is now clear what has happened (proven to be untrustworthy) yet those users consciously continue to advertise them. I dropped as soon as I got payment.

You had a signature for 11 days, TF started sending messages 1 or 2 days after DiceBitco.in gave the campaign to use and it was quite clear that it was extremely scammy after 2 days, yet you continued to wear the signature. You even had two signatures, twice (!) (which Dooglus and I noticed after you got paid and yes, we can proof it). Stop acting like you are better then someone else.

[redsn0w]

The site became a scam just before I was paid for my posts. I continued to post when there was a lot of uncertainty as to what was happening. It is now clear what has happened (proven to be untrustworthy) yet those users consciously continue to advertise them. I dropped as soon as I got payment.

You had a signature for 11 days, TF started sending messages 1 or 2 days after DiceBitco.in gave the campaign to use and it was quite clear that it was extremely scammy after 2 days, yet you continued to wear the signature. You even had two signatures, twice (!) (which Dooglus and I noticed after you got paid and yes, we can proof it). Stop acting like you are better then them.

he should return the money or you ( bitcoininformation) have to leave a negative feedback to him (@marcotheminer). This is not a correct behavior

[marcotheminer]

The site became a scam just before I was paid for my posts. I continued to post when there was a lot of uncertainty as to what was happening. It is now clear what has happened (proven to be untrustworthy) yet those users consciously continue to advertise them. I dropped as soon as I got payment.

You had a signature for 11 days, TF started sending messages 1 or 2 days after DiceBitco.in gave the campaign to use and it was quite clear that it was extremely scammy after 2 days, yet you continued to wear the signature. You even had two signatures, twice (!) (which Dooglus and I noticed after you got paid and yes, we can proof it). Stop acting like you are better then them.

TF came active with all this around that time yes. I was entitled to al earnings before the scam was apartent (you could've decided to not count everyone's post from a certain time, by the way).

I had 1 signature, the other was added for a few hours but not displayed publicly (so no second signature was being advertised publicly). The reason I added it was to complete the week BEFORE I joined dicebitcoin (a few hourse were required). Advertising for dicebitcoin was not hindered by the invisible signature.. And what do you mean by twice?

Finally I am not saying I am better than them, hope you understand that.

[Mitchell]

TF came active with all this around that time yes. I was entitled to al earnings before the scam was apartent (you could've decided to not count everyone's post from a certain time, by the way).

I had 1 signature, the other was added for a few hours but not displayed publicly (so no second signature was being advertised publicly). The reason I added it was to complete the week BEFORE I joined dicebitcoin (a few hourse were required). Advertising for dicebitcoin was not hindered by the invisible signature..

First of all, it doesn't matter if your signature was visible or not. You weren't allowed to have any other signatures so you should have been kicked from the campaign. We both know that BitMixer.io checks your signature using a script and that it doesn't where you have it.

You may not advertise any other sites/threads. This includes non-paid for advertisements.

Secondly, don't lie to me. I don't like it when people lie to my face. You didn't wear it for a few hours. You had it for at least 2 days.

screenshots from 2014.09.07 0015 CET:
https://i.imgur.com/Ybj7mWJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/SGpmeY6.png

screenshots from 2014.09.09 2030 CET:
https://i.imgur.com/i2vC4pQ.png (it's removed now, but to show that this was indeed on the 9th: https://i.imgur.com/HpYhqo6.png)

And what do you mean by twice?

Finally I am not saying I am better than them, hope you understand that.

I was wrong about that and I apologize. I confused you with someone else (you weren't the only one doing this).

[dooglus]

Now about dooglus' simulation, the probability he finds is the answer (I think) to this question :

III) Given that
- all bets are continuously updated at the maximum bet size (which is 0.5% of bankroll) all the time at most 60k times,
- betting stops if bankroll reaches 15% of initial BR,
what is the probability to win 85% of the initial bankroll ?

I don't think so. I didn't include the 60k bets limit at all. First, I don't know where it came from, or whether it's really how many bets he made, and second I don't know that it matters. If it would have taken twice as many bets as it did, wouldn't he have still taken 84% of the bank? I doubt *he* had a 60k bet count limit in mind. Much more likely his goal was to win as much as possible without caring how many bets it took.

When asking "how likely is it that what happened was for real?", we need to decide what aspects of "what happened" are significant. The fact that he rolled a 70.2 (made up number) on his first bet isn't significant. If we include all his rolled numbers in our analysis we will find it truly remarkable that he rolled exactly that sequence of numbers. His "feat" is that he won 84% of the bank, and so that's what we have to look at. If he did it by betting substantially less than the max bet, that too is part of the "feat" and needs to be taken into account, since that makes it less likely to happen without cheating.

This formulation does not make use of the available information about matnl bets. So it'd be of interest to answer this question: betting at max bet at most 60k times, what is the prob to be as lucky as him (in other words, to win exactly what he won).

I think that's not a good way of looking at it.

If I make a single bet of 1 BTC at "< 49.5", roll 33.3231 and win, and you look at it to decide if I was cheating, do you:

a) see that there was a 49.5% chance of me winning, and so it's quite possible that I didn't cheat
b) see that there was a 0.0001% chance of me rolling exactly 33.3231, and so it's very likely that I cheated

My point is that "winning exactly what he won" is a random detail, like me happening to roll 33.3231. Looking it the probability of *exactly* that happening is to miss the point. We need to look at the probability of being at least as lucky as him - which is low enough already.

[dooglus]

another point which I dont see anyone paid attention to is the speed of the betting. It was really fast. From my computer i usually can bet at 2 bets per second. Maybe 3 or 4 bets per second at max.

That is a very good point,and one that struck me at the time too.

I took some screenshots to capture the speed of betting:

14-09-08 - 08:49:43 AM PDT


14-09-08 - 08:50:17 AM PDT


14-09-08 - 08:50:31 AM PDT (waited to capture a lot of wins)


In all three it seems to be about 8 bets per second.

[dooglus]

sarcasm or not, its not assuring to have an operator joke about the bankroll like that.

I've joked with obvious Ponzi scammers before about having 40k BTC to invest with them.

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm just messing with them.

[KingOfSports]

So basically we've learned that if you create a decent site and run it for couple months then put another 10k into a new site, you can run with up to 8000 BTC shortly after? Personally, I'm glad people here lost money cause if you're stupid enough to invest more then a coin to this new guy's site you deserved it. Dooglus is only and will be only dice site past or present owner trustworthy around here, let's be real.

[m19]

So basically we've learned that if you create a decent site and run it for couple months then put another 10k into a new site, you can run with up to 8000 BTC shortly after? Personally, I'm glad people here lost money cause if you're stupid enough to invest more then a coin to this new guy's site you deserved it. Dooglus is only and will be only dice site past or present owner trustworthy around here, let's be real.

As long as these gambling sites keep operating in a grey area I agree with you. Casino's owners shouldn't be anonymous. But I can understand why they want to be, getting a real gambling license is pretty expensive and hard process.

[jaysabi]

another point which I dont see anyone paid attention to is the speed of the betting. It was really fast. From my computer i usually can bet at 2 bets per second. Maybe 3 or 4 bets per second at max.

That is a very good point,and one that struck me at the time too.

I took some screenshots to capture the speed of betting:

14-09-08 - 08:49:43 AM PDT


14-09-08 - 08:50:17 AM PDT


14-09-08 - 08:50:31 AM PDT (waited to capture a lot of wins)


In all three it seems to be about 8 bets per second.

It's most likely he was using multiple windows, each with a robot running. I too can replicate bets at that speed using this process. I doubt there was a super secret computer he had access to that lets him bet faster than anyone else, or whatever is being hinted at. Most logical explanation is multiple windows.

On that, if you're using multiple windows, you must be more sure than normal that you're going to win, as responding to an adverse gambling incident would take much longer on multiple windows than just one. This suggests something was going on to me, since if you're just straight gambling, one robot suffices. The fact that there was likely multiple windows operating a robot means you're not worried about house edge, as the more bets that are placed, the more the edge will dent profits. Multiple windows means trying to bet as quickly as possible before people withdraw, where house edge isn't a factor, which suggests to me the betting was rigged.