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[dooglus]

It's most likely he was using multiple windows, each with a robot running. I too can replicate bets at that speed using this process.

I think the betting started and stopped pretty suddenly. If you were using multiple windows, wouldn't it take a while to get up to full speed and also to stop betting as you switched between windows and clicked the stop/start button on each?

I'm on a very laggy connection so have no idea how fast the auto-bet feature worked on a fast connection.

[iram3130]

It's most likely he was using multiple windows, each with a robot running. I too can replicate bets at that speed using this process.

I think the betting started and stopped pretty suddenly. If you were using multiple windows, wouldn't it take a while to get up to full speed and also to stop betting as you switched between windows and clicked the stop/start button on each?

I'm on a very laggy connection so have no idea how fast the auto-bet feature worked on a fast connection.

I do not think, it was multi window betting, but 8 Bet per seconds also very fast even very fast internet connection
I saw 4-5 Bets per seconds in many site with autobet, but not more then that.

[jaysabi]

It's most likely he was using multiple windows, each with a robot running. I too can replicate bets at that speed using this process.

I think the betting started and stopped pretty suddenly. If you were using multiple windows, wouldn't it take a while to get up to full speed and also to stop betting as you switched between windows and clicked the stop/start button on each?

I'm on a very laggy connection so have no idea how fast the auto-bet feature worked on a fast connection.

If this is true, that would make sense. But I didn't see starting and stopping, or that there wasn't a ramp up and ramp down time between starting and stopping, so I can't speak to it. Just offering what I thought was the most likely explanation for the fast betting.

On a fast connection, the robot is very fast. With four windows open, I can get about 8-10 bets per second. Doesn't work with tabs though. If a robot is running in a tab that isn't on top of the screen, it runs much slower than normal. But with four robots running in different windows, no problem at all.

[Joecker]

Since the bat shit about signatures campaign is at least as useless as the shitstorm of math in thread, I allow myself to reply to dooglus' post here. Again, pure technicalities.

I made an obvious mistake. I had another piece of code in mind (if nicolaennio allows me, I'll publish it).

Now about dooglus' simulation, the probability he finds is the answer (I think) to this question :

III) Given that
- all bets are continuously updated at the maximum bet size (which is 0.5% of bankroll) all the time at most 60k times,
- betting stops if bankroll reaches 15% of initial BR,
what is the probability to win 85% of the initial bankroll ?

I don't think so. I didn't include the 60k bets limit at all. First, I don't know where it came from, or whether it's really how many bets he made, and second I don't know that it matters.

Indeed there's no stopping condition on the number of bet in this model. If the random number generator was biased (evenly distributed around 0.495) or if the criterion was "< 0.5", the betting maybe could go forever (Nerds: with what probability?). It would be indeed be interesting do modify the code to capture the number of bets until bust either side (a.k.a. survival time). With max bet size, I expect it to be very short. (Nerds: what is the distribution of that number?   )

When asking "how likely is it that what happened was for real?", we need to decide what aspects of "what happened" are significant.

That's right ! And all the rest of the discussion rely on the definition of event and all the IF's rely on the available information or the information we decide to include to our model(s). In mathematical terms, it translates to conditions.

P( Event ¦ Information )       (conditional probability)

In my previous analysis, I mentioned three(+doog's) of such expressions. For me (I seem to be alone), the probability I) is the first that came into my mind, seemed the most natural to me. Others might have different opinion. Nobody's right or wrong, we just have different views on how to approach a problem with an open question, a non mathematical question.

[Valzador]

So is the site provably rigged?

[xilatleo]

And now people is coming back and invest in it 

[Valzador]

And now people is coming back and invest in it 

Well if it's provably rigged so players lose then investors should get a lot of profit 

[Daanie]

And now people is coming back and invest in it 

And you're stupid enough to believe that's the case. Either those numbers are fake or the siteowner himself invested to deceive you again.

[bitbinn]

And now people is coming back and invest in it 

it is unbelievable.. why to invest in this site come on

[Daanie]

And now people is coming back and invest in it  

And you're stupid enough to believe that's the case. Either those numbers are fake or the siteowner himself invested to deceive you again.

I don't think so, he hasn't touched bitcointalk in weeks and i just put in .1btc and cashed .15btc soon after

does anyone know if the nonce problem is fixed though?

For the record he still owes me 2.34BTC

Well, that's what you think. If you're going to get scammed again you deserve it I guess. I would never invest in a site again that made my investment dissappear in such "magical" way. He can let you invest divest for now, so his site gains trust, until the next moment he comes and takes your btc

[xuan87]

He allowed 7,000BTC in investments to be returned...he won't take investments but he'll keep his bug active and probably rob the bank with another alt like he did before.
Whether his bug is still working or not I have no idea, HE DID however take that whole 300+BTC from the bank to rob investors...
I know I won't use this site as tempting as it is since there aren't many like it...hopefully he comes back and he gives peoples money back

Hope you got what you wish.

Every human still have an inner heart to make a good deeds

[Cluster2k]

Well, looks like DB is still running and investment is slowly rising and profit growing.  All appears to be good and stable.  I just hope some freakishly lucky player doesn't suddenly show up out of nowhere and take a few hundred bitcoins from investors when the bankroll becomes more healthy. 

[jaysabi]

Well, looks like DB is still running and investment is slowly rising and profit growing.  All appears to be good and stable.  I just hope some freakishly lucky player doesn't suddenly show up out of nowhere and take a few hundred bitcoins from investors when the bankroll becomes more healthy. 

We have different definitions of "good." I'll grant you stable though, but stability is but a mirage. Things were stable last time too, right up until someone discovered winning nonces were being skipped.

As long as people play there though, Manl won't have to come answer for anything that's happened. It's clear at this point he wants to continue running the site. As long as people go there to play, he's getting what he wants, so there's no need to answer any of our questions.

[Valzador]

Code:

50692491	1.68025523	1.6500	↑39.9999	81.2208	+1.09216590
41187730	1.19800000	2.0000	↑50.4999	16.0570	-1.19800000
40312980	0.21291982	2.0000	↓49.5000	56.4983	-0.21291982
40312644	0.51368555	2.0000	↑50.4999	18.7655	-0.51368555
40312348	0.20547422	2.0000	↑50.4999	14.0739	-0.20547422
40312055	0.08218969	2.0000	↓49.5000	74.2868	-0.08218969
40311896	0.03769063	2.0000	↑50.4999	9.9552	-0.03769063
40309365	0.01507625	2.0000	↓49.5000	51.0888	-0.01507625
40309361	0.00603050	2.0000	↓49.5000	62.8287	-0.00603050
40309357	0.00241220	2.0000	↓49.5000	99.7774	-0.00241220
40309350	0.00096488	2.0000	↓49.5000	51.7600	-0.00096488
40309346	0.00038595	2.0000	↓49.5000	50.0893	-0.00038595
40309341	0.00015438	2.0000	↓49.5000	83.4282	-0.00015438
40309334	0.00006175	2.0000	↓49.5000	56.6393	-0.00006175
40309329	0.00002470	2.0000	↓49.5000	77.8270	-0.00002470
40309324	0.00000988	2.0000	↓49.5000	72.2230	-0.00000988
40309315	0.00000395	2.0000	↓49.5000	96.9671	-0.00000395
40309304	0.00000158	2.0000	↓49.5000	83.6597	-0.00000158
40309296	0.00000063	2.0000	↓49.5000	67.9544	-0.00000063
40309288	0.00000025	2.0000	↓49.5000	85.6531	-0.00000025
40309279	0.00000010	2.0000	↓49.5000	83.2120	-0.00000010

Am I the only one who gambles at Dicebitco.in now?

[dooglus]

Am I the only one who gambles at Dicebitco.in now?

They used to get over 1000 BTC wagered per day regularly. Now they're lucky if they get 100 BTC wagered per day:

Tue Sep  2 09:01:14 PDT 2014      profit:         57.14303938   invested:       5,830.01221065  wagered:        26,453.2552     bets:   32,462,566
Wed Sep  3 07:10:14 PDT 2014      profit:         97.51547298   invested:       5,835.37166989  wagered:        28,513.0451     bets:   33,624,899
Thu Sep  4 08:09:48 PDT 2014      profit:        106.72483399   invested:       6,314.60683720  wagered:        29,843.2017     bets:   35,446,198
Fri Sep  5 08:46:27 PDT 2014      profit:        175.91141188   invested:       7,238.62508975  wagered:        30,959.2017     bets:   37,501,964
Sat Sep  6 10:11:26 PDT 2014      profit:        201.62990662   invested:       7,381.69733455  wagered:        31,810.6743     bets:   39,692,223
Sun Sep  7 07:40:03 PDT 2014      profit:        259.22495458   invested:       7,108.09065012  wagered:        32,159.8734     bets:   41,190,494
Sun Sep  7 17:46:25 PDT 2014      profit:        161.16300354   invested:       1,704.91132568  wagered:        32,993.4733     bets:   41,781,550
Mon Sep  8 08:10:55 PDT 2014      profit:       -205.78715499   invested:         704.96789890  wagered:        85,453.6730     bets:   42,516,227
Mon Sep  8 08:31:25 PDT 2014      profit:       -316.11279075   invested:         704.96789890  wagered:        89,743.0994     bets:   42,543,239 BANK:  99.71907091
Mon Sep  8 10:01:14 PDT 2014      profit:       -327.07568425   invested:       1,178.45375026  wagered:        90,949.9923     bets:   42,631,645 BANK: 562.24230998
Tue Sep  9 09:18:10 PDT 2014      profit:       -329.35365206   invested:       1,132.50293979  wagered:        91,298.6454     bets:   43,526,552 BANK: 514.02009646
Wed Sep 10 20:57:14 PDT 2014      profit:       -315.90377541   invested:       1,130.67616779  wagered:        91,741.0462     bets:   44,641,341 BANK: 525.63070559
Thu Sep 11 10:17:14 PDT 2014      profit:       -317.17418051   invested:       1,130.64611884  wagered:        91,764.8918     bets:   44,795,601 BANK: 524.29955187
Fri Sep 12 10:10:04 PDT 2014      profit:       -319.33467781   invested:       1,127.26238508  wagered:        91,845.4572     bets:   45,753,572 BANK: 518.78566018
Sat Sep 13 08:06:52 PDT 2014      profit:       -306.98197776   invested:       1,206.39725636  wagered:        91,988.8721     bets:   47,369,478 BANK: 610.23857176
Sun Sep 14 09:45:14 PDT 2014      profit:       -304.79770840   invested:       1,392.26246817  wagered:        92,024.3805     bets:   48,245,730 BANK: 798.28693218
Mon Sep 15 08:29:49 PDT 2014      profit:       -301.53743477   invested:       1,462.05982531  wagered:        92,082.7456     bets:   49,059,362 BANK: 871.33805324
Tue Sep 16 11:38:01 PDT 2014      profit:       -295.79031602   invested:       1,508.38149462  wagered:        92,153.4729     bets:   50,319,276 BANK: 923.40560018

[wasserman99]

It appears that they are somehow getting more people to invest in their bankroll. They had mentioned they would seek private funding for their bankroll in one of their last threads.

I would be curious to see if they ever get any kind of meaningful business again.

[dooglus]

It appears that they are somehow getting more people to invest in their bankroll. They had mentioned they would seek private funding for their bankroll in one of their last threads.

I would be curious to see if they ever get any kind of meaningful business again.

It's been a week since "Mateo" stopped playing. Since then, the site appears to have won 34 BTC from players.

That's better than most sites make in a week.

[Valzador]

Why does the site withdraw with no feeeeeeees.......

 

[dooglus]

Why does the site withdraw with no feeeeeeees.......

 

It withdraws without fees when fees aren't required according to the current version of the bitcoin core client.

It seems that some mining pools are using older, stricted versions of bitcoind, and so think that a fee is required when it isn't, resulting in confirmation being delayed.

[wasserman99]

It appears that they are somehow getting more people to invest in their bankroll. They had mentioned they would seek private funding for their bankroll in one of their last threads.

I would be curious to see if they ever get any kind of meaningful business again.

It's been a week since "Mateo" stopped playing. Since then, the site appears to have won 34 BTC from players.

That's better than most sites make in a week.

Do you think they are still cheating their investors? It would obviously very difficult to tell since they have disabled checking of other users' bets.

I think one explanation of this would be that they decided to "roll back" some portion of Mateo's bets after they figured out that something was wrong and was able to pinpoint the problem.

Other then that it would mean that their customers have bet ~3,400 BTC in the last week.