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December 16, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
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Here's a scenario that I'm wondering how we're going to address:

1. Bob has an OPAL wallet with 100,000 opal, that is not protected with a passphrase

2. He downloads a malware wallet, which copies his wallet.dat and forwards it to the hacker

3. The hacker empties this wallet and transfers his opal away and dumps the private key for "future use".

4. A roll back occurs

5. Bob now has 100,000 opal back in his wallet again

6. A few seconds later, the hacker empties this wallet again, because he has the private key from step #2

How are we going to circumvent this from occurring.

You can't.



Everyone was infected need to do a nice clean up before oppening new wallet

That does nothing to address the "private keys" issue.


Doing a rollback because of user error is ridiculous and I can't believe people are even contemplating it.  

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December 16, 2014, 07:53:24 PM
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Here's a scenario that I'm wondering how we're going to address:

1. Bob has an OPAL wallet with 100,000 opal, that is not protected with a passphrase

2. He downloads a malware wallet, which copies his wallet.dat and forwards it to the hacker

3. The hacker empties this wallet and transfers his opal away and dumps the private key for "future use".

4. A roll back occurs

5. Bob now has 100,000 opal back in his wallet again

6. A few seconds later, the hacker empties this wallet again, because he has the private key from step #2

How are we going to circumvent this from occurring.

I'll give you a possible solution to the scenario:

1. Opal team releases a new wallet, on a new chain, opal v2 with a 2.5 million premine.

2. The Opal v2 wallet has to be encrypted with a passphrase otherwise the wallet doesn't generate any addresses

3. Bob downloads this Opal v2 wallet, creates a passphrase, and generates a new address

4. Bob now gets in touch with the OpalTeam to verify he has keys to the original v1 wallet, and OpalTeam transfers the stolen coins from v1 (from the v2 premine) to his Opal v2 passphrase protected wallet.

Something like that..  Using bitcointalk forum names to prove identity could help this..
I don't know.


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December 16, 2014, 07:59:15 PM
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Something like that..  Using bitcointalk forum names to prove identity could help this.. I don't know.

The purpose of my post is to spawn discussion on how this can best be achieved.  Give it a day for us to discuss this..


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December 16, 2014, 08:00:26 PM
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That does nothing to address the "private keys" issue.


Doing a rollback because of user error is ridiculous and I can't believe people are even contemplating it.  

Dude, myself i don't like the situation but better save the users than the pirate.

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December 16, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
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We are in touch with the hacker.

If he returns the amount we agreed upon, then the rollback is canceled.
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December 16, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
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Just checking in to say I support OPAL Devs and community, and I will remain here regardless, as will many others Smiley

Bass, that is very interesting change of events. I hope it works out as well.
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December 16, 2014, 08:24:08 PM
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That does nothing to address the "private keys" issue.


Doing a rollback because of user error is ridiculous and I can't believe people are even contemplating it.  

Dude, myself i don't like the situation but better save the users than the pirate.

You can't save users from themselves.

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December 16, 2014, 08:25:52 PM
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That does nothing to address the "private keys" issue.


Doing a rollback because of user error is ridiculous and I can't believe people are even contemplating it.  

Dude, myself i don't like the situation but better save the users than the pirate.

You can't save users from themselves.

Everybody do some error,people will learn about this...

Why are you so pessimist ?

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December 16, 2014, 08:33:24 PM
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That does nothing to address the "private keys" issue.


Doing a rollback because of user error is ridiculous and I can't believe people are even contemplating it.  

Dude, myself i don't like the situation but better save the users than the pirate.

You can't save users from themselves.

Everybody do some error,people will learn about this...

Why are you so pessimist ?


Would the rollback give me my 70000 coins back?

 

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December 16, 2014, 08:37:47 PM
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Here's a scenario that I'm wondering how we're going to address:

1. Bob has an OPAL wallet with 100,000 opal, that is not protected with a passphrase

2. He downloads a malware wallet, which copies his wallet.dat and forwards it to the hacker

3. The hacker empties this wallet and transfers his opal away and dumps the private key for "future use".

4. A roll back occurs

5. Bob now has 100,000 opal back in his wallet again

6. A few seconds later, the hacker empties this wallet again, because he has the private key from step #2

How are we going to circumvent this from occurring.

That does nothing to address the "private keys" issue.


Doing a rollback because of user error is ridiculous and I can't believe people are even contemplating it. 

Dude, myself i don't like the situation but better save the users than the pirate.
the pirate own user's private key so toldy is right, a simple rollback is unable to save honest users.
you need to launch new blockchain with new adress, verify the legitimacy of former wallet etc... Megaproject!

We are in touch with the hacker.

If he returns the amount we agreed upon, then the rollback is canceled.

IMO it's a better solution. Negotiate, it's sad but people who failed to secure their wallet must accept a cut of x%

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December 16, 2014, 08:57:04 PM
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Why in the world would you download a wallet from a random person?
There's no excuse for that guys.
Development team doesn't have to do nothing about that to be honest. It's up to them if they want to help in current situation.

NEVER download things without scanning them. Especially in this forum. There have been way too many topics with trojans.

Whatever result devs bring, good luck. They're in a hard position right now and they are investing their own time to fix the situation.

Hey, smexy. Don't waste your time. Time's precious.
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December 16, 2014, 08:57:38 PM
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Would the rollback give me my 70000 coins back?
yes but the rollback will not prevent the pirate to steal yours coins a second time, he copied your wallet.dat and your wallet.dat remains the same before or after the rollback.

the solution isn't as simple as a rollback to fix the damage.




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December 16, 2014, 09:22:57 PM
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We are in touch with the hacker.

If he returns the amount we agreed upon, then the rollback is canceled.

Of course you are... Once the rollback became imminent, he didn't have much choice but to negotiate.

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December 16, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
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We are in touch with the hacker.

If he returns the amount we agreed upon, then the rollback is canceled.

Of course you are... Once the rollback became imminent, he didn't have much choice but to negotiate.
Well hopefully everything works out for you guys and the coins come back Smiley

 

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December 16, 2014, 11:14:51 PM
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Real crazy what's goin on here... and much respect for the opal team, they try their best for the community, just great!
Good luck for all folks with losses! Hopefuly you get back many coins as possible!
This should be a lesson for all how simple and fast any coin can be stolen... again, much luck and remember:

"being a lil bit paranoid is healthy sometimes" Wink

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December 16, 2014, 11:18:47 PM
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Real crazy what's goin on here... and much respect for the opal team, they try their best for the community, just great!
Good luck for all folks with losses! Hopefuly you get back many coins as possible!
This should be a lesson for all how simple and fast any coin can be stolen... again, much luck and remember:

"being a lil bit paranoid is healthy sometimes" Wink

Greets

Thanks for the call out, we've been working our asses off all day, and we're nearing a solution Smiley
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December 16, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
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Real crazy what's goin on here... and much respect for the opal team, they try their best for the community, just great!
Good luck for all folks with losses! Hopefuly you get back many coins as possible!
This should be a lesson for all how simple and fast any coin can be stolen... again, much luck and remember:

"being a lil bit paranoid is healthy sometimes" Wink

Greets

Thanks for the call out, we've been working our asses off all day, and we're nearing a solution Smiley

The only viable solution is to do nothing.  Those that used the infected wallet and lost their coins are SOL.  Rolling back the blockchain is a terrible way to correct user ignorance.  The fact that you actually considered rolling back the blockchain is concerning.  You don't roll back the blockchain because people run an infected wallet posted by some user in the thread.  On the rare occasions where it is necessary it should only be used  due to actual technical issues with the coin.  That isn't the case here.

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December 16, 2014, 11:42:34 PM
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Real crazy what's goin on here... and much respect for the opal team, they try their best for the community, just great!
Good luck for all folks with losses! Hopefuly you get back many coins as possible!
This should be a lesson for all how simple and fast any coin can be stolen... again, much luck and remember:

"being a lil bit paranoid is healthy sometimes" Wink

Greets

Thanks for the call out, we've been working our asses off all day, and we're nearing a solution Smiley

The only viable solution is to do nothing.  Those that used the infected wallet and lost their coins are SOL.  Rolling back the blockchain is a terrible way to correct user ignorance.  The fact that you actually considered rolling back the blockchain is concerning.  You don't roll back the blockchain because people run an infected wallet posted by some user in the thread.  On the rare occasions where it is necessary it should only be used  due to actual technical issues with the coin.  That isn't the case here.

Watch out pal, stating the bleeding obvious around here can get you accused of being the hacker. Some people getting into crypto now don't appreciate the basics.
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December 16, 2014, 11:59:48 PM
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This one looks interesting to me,Think I will try to pick up a few.
Keep up the good work and the sky is the limit.
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December 17, 2014, 12:30:03 AM
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holy crap some crazy shit happens in matter of 24hrs! i wish opal best of luck they deserve it  Smiley
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